Contrary To PE's Claims, Seems The French Problem Is Broad

[ScreamingEagle]

Why do you persist to call them muslims ? they are not all.
Some are "French", which means not immigrants...and not muslims.

And the muslims do not it because they're muslims, it's because they live here, in these suburbs.

"This fiasco is a case study of the weakness of Postmodern liberal leadership during a crisis. The fallacies of Marxist sociology and the unexpected and dysfunctional effects of socialism are exposed by this meltdown. The policy of permitting massive immigration of third world Muslims to France, combined with a foolish multicultural policy of non-assimilation of Muslims, heavily contributed to the social meltdown."

"Most of the rioters are teenage gangs of Muslims, with peripheral assistance from criminal elements who supply drugs and weapons. 50% of the arrested gang members have criminal records. The gangs have grown powerful, and crime has soared after years of weak police policies and lack of courage and resolution to take back the streets from the wolf-packs of Muslim teens. Some of the gangs have Muslim jihadist tendencies. Muslim teens burned churches and synagogues while crying "Allahu akbar" (Allah is great), the Islamist slogan. "

"Contrary to news reports and the confused Mr. Dyer, French Muslims do not live in enclaves because of discrimination in jobs and housing — but because of non-assimilation policies of the Muslim leaders, the French government, and the European Union. Multicultural liberalism has unwittingly conspired with Muslim nationalism to create a Muslim nation within a nation in France, Germany, England, and the Netherlands."

""Muslim leaders are committed to the preservation of the Arabic language, religion, Sharia law, and Muslim ideology in their communities. The young rioters have no loyalty to the French nation or culture. They are loyal to the Muslim community and ideology. As the Muslim leaders become more bold and the French leaders become more obsequious and fawning, the Muslims will inevitably demand the independent political sovereignty of the Muslim community in France. Radical Muslims are already talking about it. Chirac is blazing the trail towards new and more astonishing capitulations. France, a once peaceful nation, might soon resemble Palestine and Lebanon. A century hence it might be a Muslim nation."

"The desperately confused news media and the baffled French government are using Marxist sociology to explain and excuse the rioting. Poverty and unemployment in the Muslim ghettos are offered as explanation and justification for the looting, rioting, and burning on the street. This rationalization is pure nonsense, of course. Muslims have high unemployment rates because they refuse to leave their enclaves to find jobs wherever in Paris or in France they are offered. They can afford to stay in the enclaves because of lavish welfare, medical, and educational benefits and because of the economic communalism of Muslim family groups. The government is subsidizing their unemployed solidarity. The French Muslims, as a whole, prefer to stay in their enclaves because of their intense loyalty to the Muslim community. The foolish government has financed and encouraged the rapid growth of a hostile alien nation within the French nation."

"The press is obsessed with the idea that French racism and anti-Muslim bigotry make Muslim youth feel excluded and alienated. However, the Muslim enclaves were not created by racism, but by the non-assimilation policy of the Muslim leaders. The government cooperated with the non-assimilation policy of the Muslims, because as multiculturalists, the government respected Muslim culture and rejected the American idea of the integration of minorities and the cultural assimilation of immigrants."

"President Chirac hoped that his pro-Muslim policies would induce international terrorists to exempt France from their depredations, or at least to postpone striking France until late in the game. History teaches that those who appease evil are destined to be swallowed up by evil. He who feeds the wolf, hoping that the wolf will be satisfied, will be eaten by the wolf — but he who fights the wolf will survive. Wolves always run away when one comes after them openly, boldly, and fiercely with threats of violence. They will never stage a frontal attack against a defiant and healthy enemy."

"The challenge to the French nation by Muslim teen gangs could only have happened because there was extraordinary moral weakness by those in authority. The moral bankruptcy of the French comes from decades of moral and cultural relativism."

We Americans have a lesson to learn from the French as we are facing similar immigration problems.

Please read the whole of this excellent article: http://www.renewamerica.us/analyses/051113hutchison.htm

 

[Annie]

I just happen to agree. . The links are very interesting, though a bit of a weighty read...

http://shrinkwrapped.blogs.com/blog/2005/11/the_french_inti_2.html

The French Intifada: A Second Look

[I am digressing from my series on Narcissism, Disintegration, Suicidality & the Fall of the West (Introduction, Part I) although this post can be considered a more specific example of the phenonena I am describing in those posts; Part II is in preparation and will be posted on Monday.]

With the French Intifada slowly returning to the status quo ante, with "only" ~100 cars being torched every night, (HT: Atlas Shrugs) the question of root causes, the relative impact of Islam, poverty, and racism is worth a second look.

There are those, primarily in the Blogosphere, who have been insistent that radical Islam is at the core of the recent unrest, while others, including most of the LSM (LameStreamMedia) and the French government, insists the riots have nothing at all to do with Islam, but rather are related to poverty and discrimination. The distinction is important in terms of the immediate government response to the crisis, but in the longer term, it represents a distinction without a difference. In other words, the intersection of the future psychological development of the youthful rioters will increasingly force the crisis toward a clash of Islam with liberal, secular democracy; an understanding of the psychological developmental steps from late adolescence to early adult hood will dictate the long term outcome and the signs are inauspicious.

The most important of the several developmental steps that are required to move from late adolescence into early adulthood is the surrender of the adolescent fantasy of omnipotentiality (the idea that all future outcomes are available), which requires the acceptance of realistic limitations that are in concordance with one's abilities, and the establishment and consolidation of a stable identity. A stable adult identity includes such things as one's sexual orientation, the desire or lack of desire for marriage and children, one's occupational interests, ethnic identifications, and religious orientation. In all these areas, the young residents of the banlieus of France are being channeled toward radical Islam.

The adolescent often takes on many trial identifications before settling on a stable adult identification. Most often, the new adult has primary input from the parental identifications, with some idealized authority figures added into the mix. This is one important reason so many children are like their parents. For the young men in the banlieus, there are almost no French Muslims available for identification who have become successful Frenchmen and been successfully integrated into the overall French/European culture. Their own fathers are often missing completely or are devalued objects of derision, not someone to be emulated. Thugs and gang leaders run the ghettos and often have more authority than the government. Notably, the only ones who can challenge the authority of the gangs are the local Imams, most of whom are adherents (often financially supported by Saudi money) of fundamentalist and radical Islam. They alone exude a calm authority; they are men worthy of admiration and identification.

A week ago I pointed out that The Tribal Nature of the French Intifada would lead to the conflict taking on an increasingly religious tone as time went on:

The Islamic radicals are perfectly situated to offer these "youths", who have no other opportunities to become part of anything greater than themselves, membership in a powerful, wealthy tribe that sees itself as embodying greatness. Given the option of membership in the devalued tribe of "ignored, hated, black underclass with no prospects" or joining over 1 billion Muslims whose right and fate is to rule the world, most of the rioters will see it as a no-brainer.

When American blacks rioted in the past, it was because they felt, and often were, excluded from membership in the American culture. They wanted "in". Some had no opportunity to become part of the system, by virtue of poor educational or behavioral preparation (a continuing, perhaps worsening problem in some segments of society); some descended into criminality and there became prison converts to a brand of exclusionary Islam that disdained and hated the "white" culture, but they were a small minority. Even if their own fathers were poor role models, most black men had role models for identification in their churches, in their communities, and in the larger American culture.

Too many of the young Muslims in Europe do not see themselves as Europeans, certainly not as French-Muslims or English-Muslims; they are merely Muslims who live in France. This is not primarily based on radical Islam but radical Islam offers an opportunistic core around which their adult identities can crystallize, and more importantly, there are few competing options.

The intersection of the personal and the tribal or societal aspects of this conflict make a clash of civilizations almost inevitable. It remains exceedingly difficult to see a way in which the French can, essentially, co-opt the young Muslim men of the banlieus into the system.

November 18, 2005

 

[Annie]

http://www.nationalreview.com/issue/steyn200511210839.asp

November 21, 2005, 8:39 a.m.
Islam’s Major Export
Don’t worry, they have baseball bats.

By Mark Steyn

EDITOR'S NOTE: This piece appears in the December 5, 2005, issue of National Review.

For the last couple of weeks, most of the Western media have been as overheated as a Renault 5 in Clichy-sous-Bois in their insistence that these riots have nothing to do with Islam. "The mayhem has yet to take on any ideological or religious overtones," the New York Times assured us. "This has nothing to do with religion," a Muslim told the Washington Post. Never mind the cries of "Allahu Akbar!," never mind the invocation of "jihad" by at least some of the "youths," never mind the particular care given to the incineration of Jewish targets, never mind the fact that the French government itself turned to various bigshot imams in an attempt to pacify les banlieues.

Instead, the move-along-folks-no-jihad-to-see-here crowd points to the rioters' fondness for drugs, caterwauling rappers, casual sex, and hideous Western leisurewear as evidence of how culturally assimilated they are. Why, they threatened their victims with baseball bats!

Hold it right there for a minute. That's how we define "assimilating" into Western society at the dawn of the 21st century? If a fellow deals a little coke while wearing pants with a gusset located at calf height while singing along to the remix of "Slap Up My B**ch," we say, hey, he seems to be fitting in very nicely? No need to worry about his getting any wacky ideas down at the madrassah, he's an impeccably secular pluralist Peugeot-torcher.

It's true that the rioters look rather less foreign than, say, the stern young men in the mosques of Peshawar or the training camps outside Jalalabad. But, on the other hand, so did Mohamed Atta and his 18 confreres. They were very well "assimilated" by Clichy-sous-Bois standards. If you recall, in the days after 9/11 a flurry of all-American cocktail waitresses, lap-dancers, and prostitutes popped up to say they remembered Mohamed and Marwan and Majed and the rest of the gang chugging vodkas, groping strippers, renting porn videos — just like fully assimilated citizens of advanced Western democracies. . . .