Constitution says preemptive pardons are invalid

[Marener]

Since the constitution was ratified in 1789.

Trump pardoned lots of people who hadn't been convicted. Lots of presidents have.

 

[IM2]

For you all reasons are no reason

Wrong.

 

[Marener]

How did former President Potato grant any pardon for a period of time which happened BEFORE he became President?

Are you serious?

 

[IM2]

These parsons are to protect from any discovery and not to correct a mistake
That’s not what pardons are designed for and it won’t be allowed to stand

They are pardons to stop harassment of people who held trump accountable for crimes.

 

[OKTexas]

The whole idea of a preemptive pardon is nonsense. Like talking about a non-deadly murder.

What The Founders Would Say About Biden And Trump's Pardons

In four years, Biden used his Article 2, Section 2 powers more than 8,064 times.

thefederalist.com

Just because a person hasn't been formally charged, doesn't mean they haven't committed a chargeable offense. Now that xiden crime family has immunity, there's nothing stopping them from laying out the whole pay for play scheme for congress. And should they tell provable lies, they can be charged for that..

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[OKTexas]

They are pardons to stop harassment of people who held trump accountable for crimes.

So tell the class how the xiden crime family did that.

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[playtime]

They are pardons to stop harassment of people who held trump accountable for crimes.

not all, but some from the select committee will be able to afford lawyers to defend them in an ongoing, forever bullshit ' investigation '; & certainly not key witness' like cassidy hutchinson or olivia troy, who are everyday people. dark brandon protected them from incredible debt just to stay alive. they have a lot to worry about now, given that donny let loose his trogs to go hunting... again ... & he'll pardon them ... again.

 

[Zincwarrior]

That was 50 years ago and it was wrong then. THINK

Age doesn't matter, as you Boomers tell me.

 

[Auld Phart]

If someone is wrongfully convicted, how can they be pardoned if they committed no "offense"?

 

[Foxfyre]

The whole idea of a preemptive pardon is nonsense. Like talking about a non-deadly murder.

What The Founders Would Say About Biden And Trump's Pardons

In four years, Biden used his Article 2, Section 2 powers more than 8,064 times.

thefederalist.com

No. The preemptive pardon is legal for any federal offenses other than impeachment. It does not specify that the person must be indicted for those offenses before the pardon can be issued.

Thus Gerald Ford's pardon of Richard Nixon before he had been indicted of any crime was valid. And probably prevented an impeachment.

 

[Marener]

I agree. This whole line of thinking that Biden's pardons aren't legal is just stupid.

 

[rightwinger]

Was Fauci wrongly convicted?
Liz Cheney and the rest of the J6C?
Were they even CHARGED???????

Do you have a HINT of self-awareness?

Was Nixon when Ford granted him a pardon?

Republicans did not mind then

 

[IM2]

So tell the class how the xiden crime family did that.

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I can't talk about something you imagine.

 

[berg80]

Pardon is for when something wrong has been done and not for protection

The shame of it all is these are not normal times. Incoming prez's typically don't threaten to prosecute people for imaginary offenses. Like never.

 

[berg80]

Pre-emptive pardons are constitutional. Let’s look at the Constitution, court precedent and history to understand why.

The pardon power is found in Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the Constitution. It says (in part): “The President ... shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.” What’s clear from that language is that the pardon power applies to federal crimes (“against the United States”) as opposed to state crimes. Beyond that and the impeachment limitation, it’s a rather broad authority wielded by presidents at their discretion to cover conduct that has already taken place.

Supreme Court precedent backs up that understanding of the pardon power as a vast one. In 1866, the Supreme Court said it “extends to every offence known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken, or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment.”

Ask Jordan: Are pre-emptive pardons constitutional?

“Deadline: White House” legal reporter and former prosecutor Jordan Rubin answers your questions about the Supreme Court, Trump’s cases and other legal issues.

www.msnbc.com

So, based on precedent and language in the Constitution they are legal.

Of course, that won't matter to the Roberts court, sorry........trump's court, if trump tells them to break with precedent.....................again.

 

[Woodznutz]

These shenanigans go on all the time. Thousands are fined or imprisoned for crimes they didn't commit via plea deals.

 

[StatesRightsForever]

I agree. This whole line of thinking that Biden's pardons aren't legal is just stupid.

So how do you refute what the constitution says?

 

[StatesRightsForever]

These shenanigans go on all the time. Thousands are fined or imprisoned for crimes they didn't commit via plea deals.

Not sure what you're implying, but plea deals are ok. If every case went to trial, we would need 5 times as many courthouses.

 

[Marener]

So how do you refute what the constitution says?

The problem is you guys added words to the constitution.

 

[Nostra]

The constitution says that people can't be investigated for no reason also.

So you are finally worried about all the lawfare against Trump.

About time.