CONSIDERATION of what COULD happen IF Trump does not win on first ballot

[IlarMeilyr]

I saw a link via Conservative Review. It offers a possible play by play with some inside baseball type delegate rules. (Bound vs. unbound delegates and how those things change after ballot number 1 at what could be an "open" convention.)

First of all, here is the LINK: POTUS Updates: If Trump doesn’t get to 1,237, Here’s How Cruz Wins at the Convention

Secondly, I am rooting now more than even before that Trump falls short of the magic number for the first ballot.

A lot of this involves Indiana at this point, and the polling I have seen seems to be good for Trump and kind of bleak for Cruz. On the other hand, the rules for who is bound on the first ballot for the winner of the Indiana primary is not as clear. I recently saw one analysis which indicates that Trumpy could "win" Indiana yet not get a whole lot of the bound delegates. (I am reviewing this site, now: Indiana Republican Delegation 2016 It LOOKS like winner take all PER district and then 30 more STATEWIDE to the overall victor? The Indiana delegates appear to be bound to the State primary winner ONLY for the FIRST round, in any event.)

But if Trump can nevertheless be denied 1,237, on the first ballot, this could ALL become fun again.

We might then fruitfully turn our attention to the way Cruz defeats Shrillary.

 

[there4eyeM]

What a dismal choice that would be. Glad there are other parties to vote for, as with last time.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

I think the dismal choice would be Shrillary vs. Trump.

Cruz is a terrific option.

But that's not the point of this thread.

The point of the thread is that although (sadly) the odds seem long, there IS still a way that Trump won't get the GOP nomination. I thought some folks here might have some useful insight on the prospects of Trump getting denied.

 

[candycorn]

As long as Kasich isn’t on the ballot….Hillary wins.

 

[Silhouette]

Secondly, I am rooting now more than even before that Trump falls short of the magic number for the first ballot.

A lot of this involves Indiana at this point, and the polling I have seen seems to be good for Trump and kind of bleak for Cruz. ..But if Trump can nevertheless be denied 1,237, on the first ballot, this could ALL become fun again.

We might then fruitfully turn our attention to the way Cruz defeats Shrillary.

1. Ted Cruz was born Canadian and only renounced in 2014. Might want to look up some other rules while you're looking up rules..

2. Don't see Kasich's name mentioned anywhere (see #1 for suddenly-freed masses of delegates)

3. Your "rooting for" wish might actually come true if this turns out to be true: Donald Trump Claims This Depraved Sex With Minors Lawsuit Against Him Is A Hoax

 

[there4eyeM]

Kasich would seem to be the party fix boys' boy, not Cruz. Obnoxious is hard to overcome.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

As long as Kasich isn’t on the ballot….Hillary wins.

Actually, IF Kasich is on the ballot, then and perhaps ONLY then will Shrillary win. Kasich is a lightweight waffling loser. He appeals to the liberal Democrat only.

But again, that's not the point of the thread.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Kasich would seem to be the party fix boys' boy, not Cruz. Obnoxious is hard to overcome.

It is all but impossible to make a case for that lightweight Kasich. And once again, that's not the point here.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Secondly, I am rooting now more than even before that Trump falls short of the magic number for the first ballot.

A lot of this involves Indiana at this point, and the polling I have seen seems to be good for Trump and kind of bleak for Cruz. ..But if Trump can nevertheless be denied 1,237, on the first ballot, this could ALL become fun again.

We might then fruitfully turn our attention to the way Cruz defeats Shrillary.

1. Ted Cruz was born Canadian and only renounced in 2014. Might want to look up some other rules while you're looking up rules..

Ah. The rusty old canard about Natural Born citizen. Your facile "analysis" of what makes one a natural born citizen is of no use here. It is also well off topic.

2. Don't see Kasich's name mentioned anywhere (see #1 for suddenly-freed masses of delegates)

And you won't. For unless the delegates suddenly revise the rules (a possibility but not a likelihood) Kasich didn't win enough primaries or caucuses to be considered even for a second round ballot. (Again, off topic, but alas, I expect as much.)

3. Your "rooting for" wish might actually come true if this turns out to be true: Donald Trump Claims This Depraved Sex With Minors Lawsuit Against Him Is A Hoax

Yeah. I dislike Trumpy. But for legitimate reasons. The crap you offer is not just crap, it is worthless stupidity. In that vein, I dislike almost all things Obumbler supports, politically, but I see no real value in discussing his alleged birth in Kenya or his supposed reptilian eyes and shape shifting. I also don't give a rat's ass about his wife or his race. The focus is properly on his policy preferences and his official actions. Likewise, I am amazed that Trump's ACTUAL and stated (mostly self-contradicted) "positions" don't get more discussion than his propensity to say "huge" and his odd hairdo.

 

[Pogo]

Kasich would seem to be the party fix boys' boy, not Cruz. Obnoxious is hard to overcome.

It is all but impossible to make a case for that lightweight Kasich. And once again, that's not the point here.

Presumably by "lightweight" you mean "talks issues rather than emotions".

 

[there4eyeM]

Why would 'rules' stop the fix boys?

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Kasich would seem to be the party fix boys' boy, not Cruz. Obnoxious is hard to overcome.

It is all but impossible to make a case for that lightweight Kasich. And once again, that's not the point here.

Presumably by "lightweight" you mean "talks issues rather than emotions".

Wrong. No surprise inasmuch as the "presumption" comes from a drone imbecile like you, pogie.

In reality, Kasich doesn't really talk issues. He takes credit for things over which he had only slight responsibility and ignores the pitfalls and the downsides. Most of the time he bleated during the debates, it sounded like he was running for PRESIDENT of OHIO.

By "lightweight" I mostly mean that Kasich panders to the left, which is precisely the major problem with the feckless GOP in general.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Why would 'rules' stop the fix boys?

Despite the usual incoherence of your "question." the RULES are the things which dictate how the "game" is played.

Trumpy got burned by not knowing them then whined that Cruz, who did know them, used them to his advantage.

A rules change IS possible. And sure. It COULD be done in a way to give Kasich a chance which he presently would not have. Another problem with the GOP insiders is their all too possible willingness to do just that this late in the primary season.

 

[Pogo]

I saw a link via Conservative Review. It offers a possible play by play with some inside baseball type delegate rules. (Bound vs. unbound delegates and how those things change after ballot number 1 at what could be an "open" convention.)

First of all, here is the LINK: POTUS Updates: If Trump doesn’t get to 1,237, Here’s How Cruz Wins at the Convention

Secondly, I am rooting now more than even before that Trump falls short of the magic number for the first ballot.

A lot of this involves Indiana at this point, and the polling I have seen seems to be good for Trump and kind of bleak for Cruz. On the other hand, the rules for who is bound on the first ballot for the winner of the Indiana primary is not as clear. I recently saw one analysis which indicates that Trumpy could "win" Indiana yet not get a whole lot of the bound delegates. (I am reviewing this site, now: Indiana Republican Delegation 2016 It LOOKS like winner take all PER district and then 30 more STATEWIDE to the overall victor? The Indiana delegates appear to be bound to the State primary winner ONLY for the FIRST round, in any event.)

But if Trump can nevertheless be denied 1,237, on the first ballot, this could ALL become fun again.

We might then fruitfully turn our attention to the way Cruz defeats Shrillary.

I know I keep posting this but I keep going back to 1912. Popular populist candidate from New York, seen by critics as an egomaniac, runs away with the primaries, takes 8 of the last 10, mostly by big margins. Gets to the convention and is denied the nomination in favor of the establishment guy from Ohio who barely won two states. Populist leaves in a huff, starts own third-party run.

Third party (T. Roosevelt) takes second place, siphons off so many votes from Establishment Guy (Taft) that the latter comes in third. Election goes to the Democrat (Wilson) who pulled less than 42% of the vote yet runs away with the Electoral College.

Interesting parallels, 1912. An "egomaniac" vs. "establishment" duel.... a "Socialist"..... a guy with distinctive hair....

 

[Pogo]

Kasich would seem to be the party fix boys' boy, not Cruz. Obnoxious is hard to overcome.

It is all but impossible to make a case for that lightweight Kasich. And once again, that's not the point here.

Presumably by "lightweight" you mean "talks issues rather than emotions".

Wrong. No surprise inasmuch as the "presumption" comes from a drone imbecile like you, pogie.

In reality, Kasich doesn't really talk issues. He takes credit for things over which he had only slight responsibility and ignores the pitfalls and the downsides. Most of the time he bleated during the debates, it sounded like he was running for PRESIDENT of OHIO.

By "lightweight" I mostly mean that Kasich panders to the left, which is precisely the major problem with the feckless GOP in general.

I like the way you whine and stomp your feet. Really drives the point home, if you're like 12.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Kasich would seem to be the party fix boys' boy, not Cruz. Obnoxious is hard to overcome.

It is all but impossible to make a case for that lightweight Kasich. And once again, that's not the point here.

Presumably by "lightweight" you mean "talks issues rather than emotions".

Wrong. No surprise inasmuch as the "presumption" comes from a drone imbecile like you, pogie.

In reality, Kasich doesn't really talk issues. He takes credit for things over which he had only slight responsibility and ignores the pitfalls and the downsides. Most of the time he bleated during the debates, it sounded like he was running for PRESIDENT of OHIO.

By "lightweight" I mostly mean that Kasich panders to the left, which is precisely the major problem with the feckless GOP in general.

I like the way you whine and stomp your feet. Really drives the point home, if you're like 12.

A ^ pussy post if ever there was one, pogie. (But that's redundant). You are another turd who needs to practice what you preach, ya pathetic bitch.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

I saw a link via Conservative Review. It offers a possible play by play with some inside baseball type delegate rules. (Bound vs. unbound delegates and how those things change after ballot number 1 at what could be an "open" convention.)

First of all, here is the LINK: POTUS Updates: If Trump doesn’t get to 1,237, Here’s How Cruz Wins at the Convention

Secondly, I am rooting now more than even before that Trump falls short of the magic number for the first ballot.

A lot of this involves Indiana at this point, and the polling I have seen seems to be good for Trump and kind of bleak for Cruz. On the other hand, the rules for who is bound on the first ballot for the winner of the Indiana primary is not as clear. I recently saw one analysis which indicates that Trumpy could "win" Indiana yet not get a whole lot of the bound delegates. (I am reviewing this site, now: Indiana Republican Delegation 2016 It LOOKS like winner take all PER district and then 30 more STATEWIDE to the overall victor? The Indiana delegates appear to be bound to the State primary winner ONLY for the FIRST round, in any event.)

But if Trump can nevertheless be denied 1,237, on the first ballot, this could ALL become fun again.

We might then fruitfully turn our attention to the way Cruz defeats Shrillary.

I know I keep posting this but I keep going back to 1912. Popular populist candidate from New York, seen by critics as an egomaniac, runs away with the primaries, takes 8 of the last 10, mostly by big margins. Gets to the convention and is denied the nomination in favor of the establishment guy from Ohio who barely won two states. Populist leaves in a huff, starts own third-party run.

Third party (T. Roosevelt) takes second place, siphons off so many votes from Establishment Guy (Taft) that the latter comes in third. Election goes to the Democrat (Wilson) who pulled less than 42% of the vote yet runs away with the Electoral College.

Interesting parallels, 1912. An "egomaniac" vs. "establishment" duel.... a "Socialist"..... a guy with distinctive hair....

Zzzz.

You are even boring when you aspire to be historically based.

Normally (and I keep having to point this out to fluffy-brained blowhards such as you): when making an 'analogy,' you should strive for some analog.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I think the dismal choice would be Shrillary vs. Trump.

Cruz is a terrific option.

But that's not the point of this thread.

The point of the thread is that although (sadly) the odds seem long, there IS still a way that Trump won't get the GOP nomination. I thought some folks here might have some useful insight on the prospects of Trump getting denied.

You think Trump will threaten to leave the GOP.....only to return weeks later under a new name?

 

[LoneLaugher]

As long as Kasich isn’t on the ballot….Hillary wins.

She'd beat him too. He's really a goofball when put on the spot.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Kasich would seem to be the party fix boys' boy, not Cruz. Obnoxious is hard to overcome.

It is all but impossible to make a case for that lightweight Kasich. And once again, that's not the point here.

Nobody cares about your threads "point". We all know that a contested convention would be fun and interesting....with lots of rules and shit. You haven't scooped anyone.

And...Cruz ain't gonna be the nominee.....sadly.