Consider The Facts

[MJB12741]

Most Muslims despise what ISIS is doing.

......to other Muslims.

Isis is especially harmful to Palestinians. Why is it that nearly all Muslims in Arab country detest Palestinians/

Because they are too "western." Even Hamas is considered too moderate.

Palestinians are too "Western"? Now THAT"S funny. Bless you for the laugh.

From your own link:

CAIRO, June 30 (Reuters) - Islamic State insurgents threatened on Tuesday to turn the Gaza Strip into another of their Middle East fiefdoms, accusing Hamas, the organization that rules the Palestinian territory, of being insufficiently stringent about religious enforcement.

Hamas is an Islamist movement that shares the jihadis' hostility to Israel but not their quest for a global religious war, defining itself more within the framework of Palestinian nationalism.​

"Palestinian nationalism!" Now THAT"S funny considering what Hamas has done to the Palestinians. Enjoy!

http://jij.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/JIJ-Fact-Sheet-1-A4-Ver-9-Hamas.pdf

 

[montelatici]

......to other Muslims.

Isis is especially harmful to Palestinians. Why is it that nearly all Muslims in Arab country detest Palestinians/

Because they are too "western." Even Hamas is considered too moderate.

Palestinians are too "Western"? Now THAT"S funny. Bless you for the laugh.

From your own link:

CAIRO, June 30 (Reuters) - Islamic State insurgents threatened on Tuesday to turn the Gaza Strip into another of their Middle East fiefdoms, accusing Hamas, the organization that rules the Palestinian territory, of being insufficiently stringent about religious enforcement.

Hamas is an Islamist movement that shares the jihadis' hostility to Israel but not their quest for a global religious war, defining itself more within the framework of Palestinian nationalism.​

"Palestinian nationalism!" Now THAT"S funny considering what Hamas has done to the Palestinians. Enjoy!

http://jij.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/JIJ-Fact-Sheet-1-A4-Ver-9-Hamas.pdf

Jerusalem Institute for Justice another Hasbara site. You are such a tool. Their article for the day is:

Israel’s Eternal And Undivided Capital

LOL

 

[MJB12741]

Isis is especially harmful to Palestinians. Why is it that nearly all Muslims in Arab country detest Palestinians/

Because they are too "western." Even Hamas is considered too moderate.

Palestinians are too "Western"? Now THAT"S funny. Bless you for the laugh.

From your own link:

CAIRO, June 30 (Reuters) - Islamic State insurgents threatened on Tuesday to turn the Gaza Strip into another of their Middle East fiefdoms, accusing Hamas, the organization that rules the Palestinian territory, of being insufficiently stringent about religious enforcement.

Hamas is an Islamist movement that shares the jihadis' hostility to Israel but not their quest for a global religious war, defining itself more within the framework of Palestinian nationalism.​

"Palestinian nationalism!" Now THAT"S funny considering what Hamas has done to the Palestinians. Enjoy!

http://jij.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/JIJ-Fact-Sheet-1-A4-Ver-9-Hamas.pdf

Jerusalem Institute for Justice another Hasbara site. You are such a tool. Their article for the day is:

Israel’s Eternal And Undivided Capital

LOL

Truth hurts, eh Monte?

 

[MJB12741]

No more of Israel giving in to Palestinian demands. The Palestinians need their own Palestinian State with self determination far away from Israel to provide for them. The question is where to put it as no surrounding Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return.

 

[montelatici]

Your little game of claiming Palestinians are from anywhere but Palestine gets old. It is also illogical.

 

[MJB12741]

Your little game of claiming Palestinians are from anywhere but Palestine gets old. It is also illogical.

Oh buruther. Live & learn.

The Truth about the Palestinian People

 

[montelatici]

Do you only get your information from propaganda sites? Not very good ones either.

 

[Hollie]

Your little game of claiming Palestinians are from anywhere but Palestine gets old. It is also illogical.

As usual, you're fact-challenged.

Claiming that Arab-Turk invaders/colonists are Pal'istanians is a bit of a stretch. Similarly, claiming that Egyptian, Syrian and Lebanese squatters are Pal'istanian is an even greater stretch.

How else can we dumb that down for you?

 

[Phoenall]

Lets put it in modern terms, if for some reason the US were to kick out all illegal and Mexico refused to take them but created refugee camps instead where they were told they were the true indigenous of the US for the next 70 years and they would only get their country back by killing all americans, would you feel the same about "right of return" to the US?

It's not comparable because those Mexicans were not indigninous to the area. The Palestinians - many of whom have roots going back over a thousand years, and even as long as the Jews - are.

A better comparison would be if the US were annex Sonora and decide to kick out the native Mexicans.

They say they were and have more evidence to support their claims than the Palestinians ever had. So how could many have roots going back over 1000 years when they have no lineage prior to 1948 when they arrived with the invading arab armies.

A better comparison would be if the Americans annexed Texas and decided to kick out the Mexicans. Hold on didn't that already do that ?

They both go back centuries and even thousands of years. They are brothers. The "who was there first" really doesn't mean much when you are talking about those spans of time.

They cant go back any further than 1400 years as that is when islam and modern arabs were invented. When well trusted politicians stand up and state officially that arab mohamedans have flooded into the mandate of Palestine illegally then it is time to take note of what really happened. Who is right on this the well trusted politician or the proven mohameden liars. The arab's were evicted in 1099 leaving just Christians and Jews in Palestine, Even the ottomans showed that the arab muslms were in the minority when the population was counted. They also showed that the arab muslims would not take up the offer of the land and farm it as the work was too hard for them to contemplate and so they left in 6 months of being handed the land. 3 times this happened and so the Ottomans invited the Jews to migrate and make the desert bloom

Yes, they can go back more than 1400 years - they can precede Islam because they weren't Muslim at the time but converted - Christianity, Islam - whatever.

Muslims were a majority from the Islamic conquest until Zionist immigration boosted the Jewish numbers.

Origins of Palestinians and Jews in Palestine/Israel
Origins of Palestinians and Jews in Palestine/Israel

Apart from when the Crusaders invaded and conquered the land, they then kicked out the arab muslims aqfter they had held sovereignty for just 22 years. They never had any control of Palestine ever again, in fact the Ottomans refused them any control at all because they were so inept and incapable being nomadic farm workers

 

[Phoenall]

What law deems the Israelis to be illegal immigrants as well, or that they are illegal settlers. All you have for them is islamonazi propaganda that seems to take more jurisprudence than actual law

Two different things here.

First - who's claiming that Israeli's are illegal immigrants? I sure haven't. Nice strawman though.

Second - illegal settlers. That's based on international law in regards to how occupied territories are administered. Here's an "islamonazi propaganda" source for you: ICRC service

And you forget that the Oslo accords overrule that fantasy international law as it is an actual international law in itself. The Oslo accords make it legal for the Jews to build on land they hold title to, as does the UN charter and resolutions in regards to right of return. The Palestinians cant claim that they now own the land because they evicted the Jews in 1949 and passed a law making the Jews ownership illegal.

Most of team Palestine at one time or another have stated that the Jews are illegal immigrants on the land granted to them as their NATIONal home. And this includes the west bank and Golan heights, forget gaza as Israel has no intentions of becoming embroiled in that cess pit ever again.

I suggest you speak for yourself and not others. I have never stated either Jews or Palestinians are illegal immigrants. There was nothing with any force of law granting Jews (or Arabs) specific lands.

See once again you deny INTERNATIONAL LAW when it is shown to be in the favour of the Jews. The LoN treaty setting up all the mandates worldwide were given force of law, if they didn't then not one of the nations so brought into existence is legal according to you. Just look at the date for the arab nations becoming fully fledged nations with no support from the mandatory partners anymore, not one was before 1946

Not according to the discussion in the Mandate thread.

Do you mean the ones that you post saying the same thing about what is written on this thread. The LoN mandates are well documented and cover all parts of the world, with four mandate's in the M.E. Lets see how much you know by naming the nations in control ?

 

[MJB12741]

Do you only get your information from propaganda sites? Not very good ones either.

So let me get this straight. If the site is pro USA &/or pro Israel, it is a propaganda site, right?

 

[MJB12741]

Do you only get your information from propaganda sites? Not very good ones either.

So let me get this straight. If the site is pro USA &/or pro Israel, it is a propaganda site, right?

Still no reply. Sure looks like I got this one right.

 

[montelatici]

Of course pro-Israel sites are propaganda, that's the definition of propaganda. I don't know what you mean by pro-US sites, but if they are U.S. pro-Israel sites they are certainly propaganda, why do you think they are established. That's where you get all your information from, of course you are brainwashed.

If I only read Electronic Intifada and similar pro-Palestinian sites I would be brainwashed, too. I don't read them, they are not sources for facts.

That's why I never use pro-Palestinian sites and rely on historical documents from recognized academic or governmental archives. Or, on occasion news reports from news organizations from Europe which tend to be less partisan than U.S. media.

That's why I always have the facts and you and your friends always have the propaganda.

 

[Coyote]

It's not comparable because those Mexicans were not indigninous to the area. The Palestinians - many of whom have roots going back over a thousand years, and even as long as the Jews - are.

A better comparison would be if the US were annex Sonora and decide to kick out the native Mexicans.

They say they were and have more evidence to support their claims than the Palestinians ever had. So how could many have roots going back over 1000 years when they have no lineage prior to 1948 when they arrived with the invading arab armies.

A better comparison would be if the Americans annexed Texas and decided to kick out the Mexicans. Hold on didn't that already do that ?

They both go back centuries and even thousands of years. They are brothers. The "who was there first" really doesn't mean much when you are talking about those spans of time.

They cant go back any further than 1400 years as that is when islam and modern arabs were invented. When well trusted politicians stand up and state officially that arab mohamedans have flooded into the mandate of Palestine illegally then it is time to take note of what really happened. Who is right on this the well trusted politician or the proven mohameden liars. The arab's were evicted in 1099 leaving just Christians and Jews in Palestine, Even the ottomans showed that the arab muslms were in the minority when the population was counted. They also showed that the arab muslims would not take up the offer of the land and farm it as the work was too hard for them to contemplate and so they left in 6 months of being handed the land. 3 times this happened and so the Ottomans invited the Jews to migrate and make the desert bloom

Yes, they can go back more than 1400 years - they can precede Islam because they weren't Muslim at the time but converted - Christianity, Islam - whatever.

Muslims were a majority from the Islamic conquest until Zionist immigration boosted the Jewish numbers.

Origins of Palestinians and Jews in Palestine/Israel
Origins of Palestinians and Jews in Palestine/Israel

Apart from when the Crusaders invaded and conquered the land, they then kicked out the arab muslims aqfter they had held sovereignty for just 22 years. They never had any control of Palestine ever again, in fact the Ottomans refused them any control at all because they were so inept and incapable being nomadic farm workers

What are you going on about? The OTTOMAN's WERE Muslim.

 

[Coyote]

Two different things here.

First - who's claiming that Israeli's are illegal immigrants? I sure haven't. Nice strawman though.

Second - illegal settlers. That's based on international law in regards to how occupied territories are administered. Here's an "islamonazi propaganda" source for you: ICRC service

And you forget that the Oslo accords overrule that fantasy international law as it is an actual international law in itself. The Oslo accords make it legal for the Jews to build on land they hold title to, as does the UN charter and resolutions in regards to right of return. The Palestinians cant claim that they now own the land because they evicted the Jews in 1949 and passed a law making the Jews ownership illegal.

Most of team Palestine at one time or another have stated that the Jews are illegal immigrants on the land granted to them as their NATIONal home. And this includes the west bank and Golan heights, forget gaza as Israel has no intentions of becoming embroiled in that cess pit ever again.

I suggest you speak for yourself and not others. I have never stated either Jews or Palestinians are illegal immigrants. There was nothing with any force of law granting Jews (or Arabs) specific lands.

See once again you deny INTERNATIONAL LAW when it is shown to be in the favour of the Jews. The LoN treaty setting up all the mandates worldwide were given force of law, if they didn't then not one of the nations so brought into existence is legal according to you. Just look at the date for the arab nations becoming fully fledged nations with no support from the mandatory partners anymore, not one was before 1946

Not according to the discussion in the Mandate thread.

Do you mean the ones that you post saying the same thing about what is written on this thread. The LoN mandates are well documented and cover all parts of the world, with four mandate's in the M.E. Lets see how much you know by naming the nations in control ?

They're well documented yes - but that doesn't mean your understanding of them is correct. I consider Rocco a trustworthy source, he explains the Mandate in a very understandable way (makes me wonder if he's a teacher ): The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

The Mandate did not promise anything to either the Arabs or Jewish. The Mandate was technically a record of the Agreement between the various Allied Powers AND a directive issued by the Allied Powers to the British, as the Mandatory, as to the fundamentals of what in the broad sense needed to be done. It was not written or use as an authority for either the Arab or the Jews. The Mandate did not, even once, speak directly to either the Arabs or the Jews. It was mandate (an official record of direction and guidance) speaking from the Allied Powers to the British. Neither the Arabs or the Jewish were parties to the Mandate, and nor did the Mandate actually direct, command, promise, or impose guidance upon either the Arabs or the Jewish.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

They say they were and have more evidence to support their claims than the Palestinians ever had. So how could many have roots going back over 1000 years when they have no lineage prior to 1948 when they arrived with the invading arab armies.

A better comparison would be if the Americans annexed Texas and decided to kick out the Mexicans. Hold on didn't that already do that ?

They both go back centuries and even thousands of years. They are brothers. The "who was there first" really doesn't mean much when you are talking about those spans of time.

They cant go back any further than 1400 years as that is when islam and modern arabs were invented. When well trusted politicians stand up and state officially that arab mohamedans have flooded into the mandate of Palestine illegally then it is time to take note of what really happened. Who is right on this the well trusted politician or the proven mohameden liars. The arab's were evicted in 1099 leaving just Christians and Jews in Palestine, Even the ottomans showed that the arab muslms were in the minority when the population was counted. They also showed that the arab muslims would not take up the offer of the land and farm it as the work was too hard for them to contemplate and so they left in 6 months of being handed the land. 3 times this happened and so the Ottomans invited the Jews to migrate and make the desert bloom

Yes, they can go back more than 1400 years - they can precede Islam because they weren't Muslim at the time but converted - Christianity, Islam - whatever.

Muslims were a majority from the Islamic conquest until Zionist immigration boosted the Jewish numbers.

Origins of Palestinians and Jews in Palestine/Israel
Origins of Palestinians and Jews in Palestine/Israel

Apart from when the Crusaders invaded and conquered the land, they then kicked out the arab muslims aqfter they had held sovereignty for just 22 years. They never had any control of Palestine ever again, in fact the Ottomans refused them any control at all because they were so inept and incapable being nomadic farm workers

What are you going on about? The OTTOMAN's WERE Muslim.

Most Mexicans are metzitzos, a combination of the Spaniard conquerors and Native Americans intermarrying. So they are close to being the native population of that area.

 

[MJB12741]

Of course pro-Israel sites are propaganda, that's the definition of propaganda. I don't know what you mean by pro-US sites, but if they are U.S. pro-Israel sites they are certainly propaganda, why do you think they are established. That's where you get all your information from, of course you are brainwashed.

If I only read Electronic Intifada and similar pro-Palestinian sites I would be brainwashed, too. I don't read them, they are not sources for facts.

That's why I never use pro-Palestinian sites and rely on historical documents from recognized academic or governmental archives. Or, on occasion news reports from news organizations from Europe which tend to be less partisan than U.S. media.

That's why I always have the facts and you and your friends always have the propaganda.

LMAO! Oh now I got it. I'll bet those brainwashed Zionists don't even subscribe to the fact based Palestine Monitor.

 

[montelatici]

You never get anything. No, the Zionist supporters get all their information from Zionist propaganda sites. I get my information from the historical record contained in official archives. That's why you and your friends lose every argument.

 

[MJB12741]

You never get anything. No, the Zionist supporters get all their information from Zionist propaganda sites. I get my information from the historical record contained in official archives. That's why you and your friends lose every argument.

Yeah right. Like Israel's GENOCIDE on the Palestinians. Oh Monte, we love you for the all the laughs you give us.

 

[montelatici]

As you have never read the definition of genocide, and don't what it means, why do you even mention the word.