Consider The Facts

[Phoenall]

Let's stick to facts here - I oppose any forced expulsion of any group of civilians period. What you propose or support is not entirely clear in this thread. There is a thread on "What if Israel Cedes Territory to Jordan" that discusses that as an option - maybe a good option.

I have said nothing that is not factual, and I was very clear in what I proposed. If you support the flooding of Israel with Arabs who were not even alive in 1948, however, or if you propose Israel allow entry to Arabs who moved into the region in the years before the establishment, you are the one not dealing in fact here.

My proposal involves no expulsion at all.

No. The "Right of Return" is not going to happen, that demand is going to have to be given up. What I'm talking about is the status of the Occupied Territories.

That status is enshrined in International law and it would take another treaty to alter it. The Palestinians of the west bank must have done the dirty on Arafat for him to have sold them down the river as he did. Or he thought that he would be able to get out of the treaty at a later date.

 

[MJB12741]

Let's stick to facts here - I oppose any forced expulsion of any group of civilians period. What you propose or support is not entirely clear in this thread. There is a thread on "What if Israel Cedes Territory to Jordan" that discusses that as an option - maybe a good option.

I have said nothing that is not factual, and I was very clear in what I proposed. If you support the flooding of Israel with Arabs who were not even alive in 1948, however, or if you propose Israel allow entry to Arabs who moved into the region in the years before the establishment, you are the one not dealing in fact here.

My proposal involves no expulsion at all.

No. The "Right of Return" is not going to happen, that demand is going to have to be given up. What I'm talking about is the status of the Occupied Territories.

That status is enshrined in International law and it would take another treaty to alter it. The Palestinians of the west bank must have done the dirty on Arafat for him to have sold them down the river as he did. Or he thought that he would be able to get out of the treaty at a later date.

Don't knock Arafat. He was an outstanding leader. He took his Palestinians from the toilet to the sewer, got them massacred over & over again by their own Arab brothers, embezelled their money & died of AIDS leaving the Palestinians living in ignorance & poverty with no hope for a Palestinian State. And let us give thanks that Hamas is doing so very well in filling Arafat's shoes.

 

[Coyote]

Lets put it in modern terms, if for some reason the US were to kick out all illegal and Mexico refused to take them but created refugee camps instead where they were told they were the true indigenous of the US for the next 70 years and they would only get their country back by killing all americans, would you feel the same about "right of return" to the US?

It's not comparable because those Mexicans were not indigninous to the area. The Palestinians - many of whom have roots going back over a thousand years, and even as long as the Jews - are.

A better comparison would be if the US were annex Sonora and decide to kick out the native Mexicans.

They say they were and have more evidence to support their claims than the Palestinians ever had. So how could many have roots going back over 1000 years when they have no lineage prior to 1948 when they arrived with the invading arab armies.

A better comparison would be if the Americans annexed Texas and decided to kick out the Mexicans. Hold on didn't that already do that ?

They both go back centuries and even thousands of years. They are brothers. The "who was there first" really doesn't mean much when you are talking about those spans of time.

They cant go back any further than 1400 years as that is when islam and modern arabs were invented. When well trusted politicians stand up and state officially that arab mohamedans have flooded into the mandate of Palestine illegally then it is time to take note of what really happened. Who is right on this the well trusted politician or the proven mohameden liars. The arab's were evicted in 1099 leaving just Christians and Jews in Palestine, Even the ottomans showed that the arab muslms were in the minority when the population was counted. They also showed that the arab muslims would not take up the offer of the land and farm it as the work was too hard for them to contemplate and so they left in 6 months of being handed the land. 3 times this happened and so the Ottomans invited the Jews to migrate and make the desert bloom

Yes, they can go back more than 1400 years - they can precede Islam because they weren't Muslim at the time but converted - Christianity, Islam - whatever.

Muslims were a majority from the Islamic conquest until Zionist immigration boosted the Jewish numbers.

Origins of Palestinians and Jews in Palestine/Israel
Origins of Palestinians and Jews in Palestine/Israel

 

[Coyote]

No. You aren't citing any law. What law "deems" them all "illegal immigrants"?

What law deems the Israelis to be illegal immigrants as well, or that they are illegal settlers. All you have for them is islamonazi propaganda that seems to take more jurisprudence than actual law

Two different things here.

First - who's claiming that Israeli's are illegal immigrants? I sure haven't. Nice strawman though.

Second - illegal settlers. That's based on international law in regards to how occupied territories are administered. Here's an "islamonazi propaganda" source for you: ICRC service

And you forget that the Oslo accords overrule that fantasy international law as it is an actual international law in itself. The Oslo accords make it legal for the Jews to build on land they hold title to, as does the UN charter and resolutions in regards to right of return. The Palestinians cant claim that they now own the land because they evicted the Jews in 1949 and passed a law making the Jews ownership illegal.

Most of team Palestine at one time or another have stated that the Jews are illegal immigrants on the land granted to them as their NATIONal home. And this includes the west bank and Golan heights, forget gaza as Israel has no intentions of becoming embroiled in that cess pit ever again.

I suggest you speak for yourself and not others. I have never stated either Jews or Palestinians are illegal immigrants. There was nothing with any force of law granting Jews (or Arabs) specific lands.

See once again you deny INTERNATIONAL LAW when it is shown to be in the favour of the Jews. The LoN treaty setting up all the mandates worldwide were given force of law, if they didn't then not one of the nations so brought into existence is legal according to you. Just look at the date for the arab nations becoming fully fledged nations with no support from the mandatory partners anymore, not one was before 1946

Not according to the discussion in the Mandate thread.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Zionist immigration boosted the Jewish numbers.

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......and Zionist immigration boosted the Muslim numbers as well, as Arabs also moved into the area for the economic opportunity Zionist development brought.

It's really no different than what occurs today vis a vis the United States and Mexico.

 

[MJB12741]

Zionist immigration boosted the Jewish numbers.

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......and Zionist immigration boosted the Muslim numbers as well, as Arabs also moved into the area for the economic opportunity Zionist development brought.

It's really no different than what occurs today vis a vis the United States and Mexico.

So true. As soon as Israel turned the wasteland into a thriving metropolis, here came hoards of Palestinians to claim it's their land.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Most Muslims despise what ISIS is doing.

......to other Muslims.

 

[MJB12741]

Most Muslims despise what ISIS is doing.

......to other Muslims.

Isis is especially harmful to Palestinians. Why is it that nearly all Muslims in Arab country detest Palestinians/

 

[MJB12741]

Most Muslims despise what ISIS is doing.

......to other Muslims.

Isis is especially harmful to Palestinians. Why is it that nearly all Muslims in Arab country detest Palestinians/

See for yourselves.

ISIS Threatens To Topple Hamas In Gaza

 

[aris2chat]

ISIS is threat to everyone. Muslims that understand the faith, not trying to politicize an apocalypse, know they do not represent islam.

The heads of most major legal schools of islam need together to denounce and excommunicate, takfir, all members and supporters of ISIS.

They need a clean and loud in unison, explanation of why.

 

[MJB12741]

Why is there so little world Muslim protests against their terrorist factions?

 

[MJB12741]

Why is there so little world Muslim protests against their terrorist factions?

Could it be because they will be next on their Muslim terrorist hit list?

 

[Coyote]

Why is there so little world Muslim protests against their terrorist factions?

There is plenty. Why do you ignore it?

 

[MJB12741]

Why is there so little world Muslim protests against their terrorist factions?

There is plenty. Why do you ignore it?

Please enlighten us to this with documented links.

 

[MJB12741]

Why is there so little world Muslim protests against their terrorist factions?

There is plenty. Why do you ignore it?

Please enlighten us to this with documented links.

Does this one count?

http://churchandstate.org.uk/wordpr...13/01/soldiers-burnt-hell1-e1357850710177.jpg

 

[MJB12741]

Seriously it seems to me that righteous Muslims must join together throughout the world to defeat the radical elements within their faith. Without their help it is they who will suffer consequences from reactions by peoples of other faiths.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Most Muslims despise what ISIS is doing.

......to other Muslims.

Isis is especially harmful to Palestinians. Why is it that nearly all Muslims in Arab country detest Palestinians/

Because they are too "western." Even Hamas is considered too moderate.

 

[MJB12741]

Most Muslims despise what ISIS is doing.

......to other Muslims.

Isis is especially harmful to Palestinians. Why is it that nearly all Muslims in Arab country detest Palestinians/

Because they are too "western." Even Hamas is considered too moderate.

Palestinians are too "Western"? Now THAT"S funny. Bless you for the laugh.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Because they are too "western." Even Hamas is considered too moderate.

.....Too moderate for you, anyway.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Most Muslims despise what ISIS is doing.

......to other Muslims.

Isis is especially harmful to Palestinians. Why is it that nearly all Muslims in Arab country detest Palestinians/

Because they are too "western." Even Hamas is considered too moderate.

Palestinians are too "Western"? Now THAT"S funny. Bless you for the laugh.

From your own link:

CAIRO, June 30 (Reuters) - Islamic State insurgents threatened on Tuesday to turn the Gaza Strip into another of their Middle East fiefdoms, accusing Hamas, the organization that rules the Palestinian territory, of being insufficiently stringent about religious enforcement.

Hamas is an Islamist movement that shares the jihadis' hostility to Israel but not their quest for a global religious war, defining itself more within the framework of Palestinian nationalism.​