Conservatives: Do You Give

[bodecea]

I care about people. It's in my nature to want to make sure everyone around me is doing well.

Peoples sexual desires have no meaning beyond finding someone with the same desires.

As far as politics are conserned, the DADT is comical at best (I knew more gay sailors than Spanish sailors) Keeping gays from getting married is unConstitutional.

Oh boy, the Constitution! What does it have to say about gays getting married?

What about people who are into bestiality? Can a man marry a sheep?

Note that I am ignoring a certain user's strawman argument about hating homosexuals. I don't hate homosexuals or care what they do. I just don't believe that a union between them can be a marriage, and I don't want to pay the bill for their AIDS.

And I'm guessing they don't want to pay the bill for your heart disease or cancer either. Win/Win.

 

[The Rabbi]

How many have you been to?

Irrelevant. What possible difference could the answer to that "question" make?

Willow has made a judgement that our parades are obscene. How many has she been to to see that they are indeed "obscene"?

I can make a judgment that eating feces is disgusting. And I've never done it. Experiencing something isn't necessary to making a judgment about it.

 

[bodecea]

Irrelevant. What possible difference could the answer to that "question" make?

Willow has made a judgement that our parades are obscene. How many has she been to to see that they are indeed "obscene"?

That's not exactly what Willow said. She spoke of the ones that WERE (in her estimation) "obscene." Expressing that tells you absolutely NOTHING about whether she judges "all" of "your" parades in SF to be "obscene" or not.

Further, one can "see" "your" parades without EVER going to California at all.

There's this thing called "video" and this other thing called the "internet" and there's also "television."

Word.

So, you and/or Willow have watched a COMPLETE San Francisco Gay Pride Parade on video and or tv. So, tell us....what are the majority of the floats, marchers, marching on behalf of? What kind of groups have you seen marching in the parades? List by genre.

And how do said parades compare to Mardi Gras parades?

(I've been to both, myself)

 

[bodecea]

Irrelevant. What possible difference could the answer to that "question" make?

Willow has made a judgement that our parades are obscene. How many has she been to to see that they are indeed "obscene"?

I can make a judgment that eating feces is disgusting. And I've never done it. Experiencing something isn't necessary to making a judgment about it.

How many gay pride parades have you been to and watched?

 

[The Rabbi]

Willow has made a judgement that our parades are obscene. How many has she been to to see that they are indeed "obscene"?

I can make a judgment that eating feces is disgusting. And I've never done it. Experiencing something isn't necessary to making a judgment about it.

How many gay pride parades have you been to and watched?

None.
What was your point again?

 

[Madeline]

Irrelevant. What possible difference could the answer to that "question" make?

Willow has made a judgement that our parades are obscene. How many has she been to to see that they are indeed "obscene"?

I can make a judgment that eating feces is disgusting. And I've never done it. Experiencing something isn't necessary to making a judgment about it.

God forbid any actual facts interfere with your foaming at the mouth. I think it's gracious of GLBT people not to ***** at how your PDAs squork them.

Or did you think this was just a one way thingie?

 

[bodecea]

Rabbi - simple question

Are you in favor of a man being able to legally marry another man?

Please show me where a man is not able to marry another man.
What I am opposed to is the state sanctioning such "marriages" and giving the partners benefits. This confers extra benefits on some people, favoring them at the expense of other solely based on their sexual preference of the moment. This would appear to fail the constitutional provisions of the 14th Amerndment.

Simple question: Are you in favor of giving tax breaks to people because of whom they like to ****?

So, you support state sanctioned gender discrimination.

 

[bodecea]

I can make a judgment that eating feces is disgusting. And I've never done it. Experiencing something isn't necessary to making a judgment about it.

How many gay pride parades have you been to and watched?

None.
What was your point again?

So, you have no real idea of what a gay pride parade consists of....you are just speaking from your prejudices against gay people.

 

[Foxfyre]

Do you give a flying **** about homosexuals and how they live their lives?

This is a spin off of Dr House's comment to Jerkbert in the thread on conservative homosexuals.

Those of my friends, colleagues, associates, and family that I know are gay--some I don't have a clue whether they are straight or gay and don't care--I do care that they are well, happy, getting along okay. A person's sexual orientation doesn't change how I feel about anybody in that way and I do care about those I like, love, respect, etc.

As to what my straight or gay friends and/or associates etc. do in their personal lives, I would hope that it was not harmful or damaging for them, but it's their business and not for me to like or dislike.

 

[Liability]

Willow has made a judgement that our parades are obscene. How many has she been to to see that they are indeed "obscene"?

That's not exactly what Willow said. She spoke of the ones that WERE (in her estimation) "obscene." Expressing that tells you absolutely NOTHING about whether she judges "all" of "your" parades in SF to be "obscene" or not.

Further, one can "see" "your" parades without EVER going to California at all.

There's this thing called "video" and this other thing called the "internet" and there's also "television."

Word.

So, you and/or Willow have watched a COMPLETE San Francisco Gay Pride Parade on video and or tv. So, tell us....what are the majority of the floats, marchers, marching on behalf of? What kind of groups have you seen marching in the parades? List by genre.

So, you apparently cannot (EVER) refrain from jumping to unsupported and unsupportable "conclusions" derived from incomplete evidence.

It's either that or you are aware of what you're doing and simply choose to be dishonest.

Take a test, boredtoseeya. Show me where I discussed anything about MY views about any parades in SF which I claim to have seen.

Then, show us where Willow EVER claimed that she had set foot in SF much less watched one of your parades there.

Then, demonstrate that one would be required to see ALL of a parade to take note of any part or portion thereof that one deems "obscene."

I do know that I have seen gay folks in a variety of gay parades (and I believe but am not certain that some of them were in SF) on television (and it would have been cable -- or maybe I saw the stuff on the internet) where the gay guys were pretty much shaking their uncovered penises for all the world to see and the lesbian women were baring their breasts for all the world to see. If I consider that "obscene" that's my opinion. If Willow is more adamant than I am that it "is" without doubt "obscene," then that might be her opinion.

And none of that requires that the entire parade be obscene.

So, again, your rhetoric is meaningless.

 

[elvis]

Do you give a flying **** about homosexuals and how they live their lives?

This is a spin off of Dr House's comment to Jerkbert in the thread on conservative homosexuals.

nope. and they should be allowed to get married.

 

[RDD_1210]

I can make a judgment that eating feces is disgusting. And I've never done it. Experiencing something isn't necessary to making a judgment about it.

How many gay pride parades have you been to and watched?

None.
What was your point again?

I noticed you ignored my post.....AGAIN. Pathetic.

 

[bodecea]

Please show me where a man is not able to marry another man.
What I am opposed to is the state sanctioning such "marriages" and giving the partners benefits. This confers extra benefits on some people, favoring them at the expense of other solely based on their sexual preference of the moment. This would appear to fail the constitutional provisions of the 14th Amerndment.

Simple question: Are you in favor of giving tax breaks to people because of whom they like to ****?

No no, it wouldn't be "extra benefits." Straight men would be allowed to marry other men as well and reap the same benefits.

You are exactly right!
So lets say Cuyo and I are old college friends. I lost my job and need medical care (this is supposing Obamacare hasn't eliminated employer sponsored coverage). He and I can just declare ourselves "married" and bango-- I get the benefit of his coverage. We don't have to touch dicks or anything.

Remind me how this is supposed to be good for society?

What in the world makes you think male/female "college friends" aren't doing that kind of thing already?



Thanks for PROVING another way that Straights get Special Rights that gay people don't get.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Do you give a flying **** about homosexuals and how they live their lives?

This is a spin off of Dr House's comment to Jerkbert in the thread on conservative homosexuals.

People who practice homosexuality experience higher rates of many diseases, including:

Human Papillomavirus (HPV)
Hepatitis A, B and C
Gonorrhea
Syphillis
Gay Bowel syndrome
HIV/AIDS
Bacterial vaginosis

People who practice homosexuality have higher rates of:

Alcohol abuse
Drug abuse
Nicotine dependence
Depression
Suicide
Domestic violence (20 times more common than among heterosexuals)

In addition to a domestic violence rate that is 20 times higher than among heterosexuals, these are some of the negative effects homosexuality has on society:

Higher rates of child molestation*
(Nearly 1/3 of the child abuse cases are homosexual in nature, and homosexuals are only 3% of the population.)

Daughters of lesbian "parents" are more likely to engage in risky sexual behavior and experience the consequences of that behavior.

In areas in which homosexual marriage has become accepted (The Netherlands and areas of Scandinavia, for example), the fundamental building block of society--the family--has fallen apart. In some of these areas as many as 80% of the children are born outside of a family.

Children of homosexual "parents" do the worst in 9 of 13 acedemic categories when compared with both married heterosexual couples and cohabitating couples.

Homosexual behavior is linked with higher rates of promiscuity, physical disease, mental illness, substance abuse, child sexual abuse and domestic violence--all things that impact society negatively. Don't try to say homosexual behavior doesn't hurt society--it is a major force that tears down society and harms children.

Homosexuality Harms Society

 

[DiamondDave]

Gays do not want to marry because of tax incentives, hospital benefits or other financial incentives. Neither do most heterosexuals. They want to be able to stand up in front of society, publicly declare their love for one another and have society recognize their union. They want to call their partner their husband or wife.

Mostly, they want society to treat them like they treat any other couple

So you want government to force acceptance of a chosen behavior because it fits your agenda... got it

Sorry... but I'll take freedom over government forced acceptance

I could choose to tattoo my face like a baboon and put 75 piercings in it... and with that choice comes the possibility of one or many or all people not accepting it.... too bad, too sad.... it's not a job of government to make other people accept your personal choices

You are still free to hate anyone you choose.

The difference is that Government is not obligated to adhere to your petty biases and hatreds of those who are different from you.

ahhh.. the liberal tactic of trying to use a strong word that was never uttered in a feeble attempt to 'win' a point... not gonna work now, wrongwinger, just as I have not let it work with you in the past

The government, when involved, is making you adhere to a stance based on a personal choice of another... sorry, asswipe, that is not the role of government... nor should it be...

What you are advocating is forced acceptance of that personal choice.. which is inherently against the concept of freedom... but this is par for the course for the likes of you

 

[bodecea]

That's not exactly what Willow said. She spoke of the ones that WERE (in her estimation) "obscene." Expressing that tells you absolutely NOTHING about whether she judges "all" of "your" parades in SF to be "obscene" or not.

Further, one can "see" "your" parades without EVER going to California at all.

There's this thing called "video" and this other thing called the "internet" and there's also "television."

Word.

So, you and/or Willow have watched a COMPLETE San Francisco Gay Pride Parade on video and or tv. So, tell us....what are the majority of the floats, marchers, marching on behalf of? What kind of groups have you seen marching in the parades? List by genre.

So, you apparently cannot (EVER) refrain from jumping to unsupported and unsupportable "conclusions" derived from incomplete evidence.

It's either that or you are aware of what you're doing and simply choose to be dishonest.

Take a test, boredtoseeya. Show me where I discussed anything about MY views about any parades in SF which I claim to have seen.

Then, show us where Willow EVER claimed that she had set foot in SF much less watched one of your parades there.

Then, demonstrate that one would be required to see ALL of a parade to take note of any part or portion thereof that one deems "obscene."

I do know that I have seen gay folks in a variety of gay parades (and I believe but am not certain that some of them were in SF) on television (and it would have been cable -- or maybe I saw the stuff on the internet) where the gay guys were pretty much shaking their uncovered penises for all the world to see and the lesbian women were baring their breasts for all the world to see. If I consider that "obscene" that's my opinion. If Willow is more adamant than I am that it "is" without doubt "obscene," then that might be her opinion.

And none of that requires that the entire parade be obscene.

So, again, your rhetoric is meaningless.

Having waded thru your rudeness (and you cannot use me being rude to you as an excuse, I've been nothing but courteous to you in this thread)...it is clear that you have nothing pertinent to say about the absolute FACT that if someone is going to make a JUDGEMENT about something being obscene, they should at least have some knowledge ... some experience about that thing they are judging.

Willow has not replied yet, but I will guess she has never been to a gay pride parade, so she is (again) making ridiculous assumptions about something she knows nothing about.

You....you are simply being you. Hiding behind your rudeness.

 

[kwc57]

Do you give a flying **** about homosexuals and how they live their lives?

This is a spin off of Dr House's comment to Jerkbert in the thread on conservative homosexuals.

Personally no. I have a family member who is gay as is my best friend from college. That being said, I am unaware of any liberal organizations trying to prevent same sex marriage or pass amendments to protect hetero marriage. If memory serves, those are my fellow conservatives.......so I'd have to say yes, some do indeed give a flying **** about how homosexuals live their lives.

 

[Foxfyre]

How many gay pride parades have you been to and watched?

None.
What was your point again?

So, you have no real idea of what a gay pride parade consists of....you are just speaking from your prejudices against gay people.

Well, one in our town in Kansas some time back featured a troop of gay guys all wearing ENORMOUS stuffed penises strapped on and swinging back and forth as they marched. I thought this extremely inappropriate for a parade attended by ordinary people including kids and said so. So, incidentally, did my gay friends who did NOT participate in that kind of vulgarity.

We would not tolerate such from 'straight' people. Why should we tolerate such from 'gay' people? It isn't a double standard. It is cultural values of what is appropriate and what is not.

I was also running a large agency at that time which, among other things, included a life drawing class attended mostly by senior citizens. When my model called in sick at the last minute one day, I went down to a dance class in session--this was attended by a number of gay guys who were heavily active in our community theater and honed their dance skills at our place. "Fred" was openly gay and a hunk. I mean REALLY well built and very good looking. He agreed to stand in as a model, though it took some persuasion to keep him from removing ALL his clothes and giving the old ladies a real thrill.

 

[bodecea]

Do you give a flying **** about homosexuals and how they live their lives?

This is a spin off of Dr House's comment to Jerkbert in the thread on conservative homosexuals.

People who practice homosexuality experience higher rates of many diseases, including:

Human Papillomavirus (HPV)
Hepatitis A, B and C
Gonorrhea
Syphillis
Gay Bowel syndrome
HIV/AIDS
Bacterial vaginosis

People who practice homosexuality have higher rates of:

Alcohol abuse
Drug abuse
Nicotine dependence
Depression
Suicide
Domestic violence (20 times more common than among heterosexuals)

In addition to a domestic violence rate that is 20 times higher than among heterosexuals, these are some of the negative effects homosexuality has on society:

Higher rates of child molestation*
(Nearly 1/3 of the child abuse cases are homosexual in nature, and homosexuals are only 3% of the population.)

Daughters of lesbian "parents" are more likely to engage in risky sexual behavior and experience the consequences of that behavior.

In areas in which homosexual marriage has become accepted (The Netherlands and areas of Scandinavia, for example), the fundamental building block of society--the family--has fallen apart. In some of these areas as many as 80% of the children are born outside of a family.

Children of homosexual "parents" do the worst in 9 of 13 acedemic categories when compared with both married heterosexual couples and cohabitating couples.

Homosexual behavior is linked with higher rates of promiscuity, physical disease, mental illness, substance abuse, child sexual abuse and domestic violence--all things that impact society negatively. Don't try to say homosexual behavior doesn't hurt society--it is a major force that tears down society and harms children.

Homosexuality Harms Society

Your source cracks me up....www.evangelical.us.....:rofl:

 

[bodecea]

It doesn't impact my life, and by the way there is nothing preventing homos from getting married. You're talking about state recognition of such marriages. What does it effect you or any other homo if myself or the rest of society doesn't recognize their "gay marriage"?

O, health care decisions, inheritance laws, employer benefits, child custody, etc. etc. etc. Yanno....all the benefits you get from your marriage?

Power of attorney for most of that.

Most of society isn't going to be confortable giving children over to be raised by homos when its their standard practice to "recruit" underaged. But that's what this debate really boils down to isn't it? The "rights" that NAMBLA is pushing for.

There it is......right there.