Conservative: To Be Or Not To Be?...

[LibocalypseNow]

That seems to be the burning question right now for all those who still call themselves Republicans. New York 23 seems to be a prime example of the growing Civil War within the Republican Party. Newt Gingrich and the Party Elite chose Dede Scozzafava as their candidate and that decision set off a nasty chain of events which ultimately led to the Republicans losing the seat. In the end the Democratic Candidate was actually more Conservative than Scozzafava was. The party tried to save the seat by backing the Third Party Conservative candidate Doug Hoffman,but it was just too late. So where does this leave the Republican Party? There is clearly a major schism in the party at this point. The Party Elite ordered their members to support Scozzafava and the people simply said No. This has to be incredibly disturbing to the Republican Party leadership.

Can the Republicans really beat the Democrats in the Mid-Terms with this Civil War going on? It seems to me that they're going to have to make their decisions on this issue very soon. Are they going to be a Conservative Party once again or will they continue to be this confused Limbo-like Purgatory. Personally i feel there is a real grass roots Conservative Revolution underway but the Republican leadership seems to be ignoring it. This could spell real doom for the Republicans in the Mid-Terms. In my opinion more & more people are beginning to turn to real Conservatism. They are beginning to feel that the Socialists from both parties have destroyed our Nation at this point. The only alternative left for these people has to be true Conservatism. So in the end,the only question left for the Republican Party really is...Conservative: To Be Or Not To Be?

 

[saveliberty]

I am not sure Republicans and Conservatives will unite completely. I think caucusing is the best solution, along with picking where to oppose each other in elections. NY-23 was a good example of a marginal Rep., who shouldn't have received the party blessing.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Well said saveliberty. Thanks.

 

[midcan5]

I think you need to define conservative. For me conservatism is only reactionary politics, when you expend all your energies on stopping the forward movement of progress, be it ever so minimal, you really haven't accomplished anything to grab on to. I thought Bush Jr killed conservatism better than any words could, and now I hear he wasn't really a conservative. If you can switch so easily there was nothing there to start with. And name some conservatives today so we have some sense of your picks.

 

[amrchaos]

Can the Republicans beat the Dems in the mid terms--yes.

Can they do it without moderates and even some "librul" Republicans?--nope!

The problem in the Republican party is not about moderates or liberals or conservatism.

The problem is the witchhunt and the lack of teamwork that exist in the party when the public considers a Republican.

Think about it--why elect a Republican or Conservative party member if there is a chance that he will become minimalized by the party leaders or Conservative members?

Right now--the (American) Libertarian party looks more sound than the Republican party. Why not consider a Lib?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Interesting points amrchaos. Hmm?

 

[DiamondDave]

I think you need to define conservative. For me conservatism is only reactionary politics, when you expend all your energies on stopping the forward movement of progress, be it ever so minimal, you really haven't accomplished anything to grab on to. I thought Bush Jr killed conservatism better than any words could, and now I hear he wasn't really a conservative. If you can switch so easily there was nothing there to start with. And name some conservatives today so we have some sense of your picks.

Absolute horseshit misconception

Conservatives are not about stopping forward progress... just not pushing for change for the sake of change, and blindly pushing forward without thinking of the possibilities and consequences

 

[California Girl]

I think you need to define conservative. For me conservatism is only reactionary politics, when you expend all your energies on stopping the forward movement of progress, be it ever so minimal, you really haven't accomplished anything to grab on to. I thought Bush Jr killed conservatism better than any words could, and now I hear he wasn't really a conservative. If you can switch so easily there was nothing there to start with. And name some conservatives today so we have some sense of your picks.

It isn't 'progress' that Conservatives object to. It is what kind of progress. We don't expect the borgs of the Obamanation to grasp this simple concept.

 

[Diuretic]

I think you need to define conservative. For me conservatism is only reactionary politics, when you expend all your energies on stopping the forward movement of progress, be it ever so minimal, you really haven't accomplished anything to grab on to. I thought Bush Jr killed conservatism better than any words could, and now I hear he wasn't really a conservative. If you can switch so easily there was nothing there to start with. And name some conservatives today so we have some sense of your picks.

It isn't 'progress' that Conservatives object to. It is what kind of progress. We don't expect the borgs of the Obamanation to grasp this simple concept.

Conservatives oppose progress. If they didn't then they'd be progressives.

 

[California Girl]

I think you need to define conservative. For me conservatism is only reactionary politics, when you expend all your energies on stopping the forward movement of progress, be it ever so minimal, you really haven't accomplished anything to grab on to. I thought Bush Jr killed conservatism better than any words could, and now I hear he wasn't really a conservative. If you can switch so easily there was nothing there to start with. And name some conservatives today so we have some sense of your picks.

It isn't 'progress' that Conservatives object to. It is what kind of progress. We don't expect the borgs of the Obamanation to grasp this simple concept.

Conservatives oppose progress. If they didn't then they'd be progressives.

Nope. Conservatives are happy with considered progress. Progressives don't consider outcomes or impact, just 'change'. They 'hope' it works.

 

[DiamondDave]

I think you need to define conservative. For me conservatism is only reactionary politics, when you expend all your energies on stopping the forward movement of progress, be it ever so minimal, you really haven't accomplished anything to grab on to. I thought Bush Jr killed conservatism better than any words could, and now I hear he wasn't really a conservative. If you can switch so easily there was nothing there to start with. And name some conservatives today so we have some sense of your picks.

It isn't 'progress' that Conservatives object to. It is what kind of progress. We don't expect the borgs of the Obamanation to grasp this simple concept.

Conservatives oppose progress. If they didn't then they'd be progressives.

Again... because you want it to be that way, so that it fits your preconceived misconception, does not make it so

 

[LibocalypseNow]

This Civil War within the party will have to be resolved soon. If the Republicans want to have any chance in the Mid-Terms they're going to have to decide where they're going. NY 23 can never happen again.

 

[saveliberty]

Change in the case of a Progressive involves new programs and more funding. Take a good look around. Does anyone see massive tax increases soon? No funding no programs.

Conservatives look at change too. Health care reform is one. The types of change put forward there are law and regulation changes which cost little or actually save money.

Maybe my definition is just wrong? Change means doing something differently right?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Good points saveliberty. The CBO just released their report that showed the Republican health care plan will cost much less than the Democratic plan. It's not getting any play in the MSM but this is a pretty big story. Even though they have been locked out of numerous meetings by the Democrats,the Republicans are presenting ideas. It's just a shame the MSM wont report this.

 

[California Girl]

Conservative: To be or not to be? That is the question! Whether tis nobler for conservatives to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous liberalism, or, take arms against that sea of trouble and - by opposing - end it.


Disclaimer: California Girl is not advocating armed rebellion. Or is she?

 

[saveliberty]

I will be conservative. The question is, who will get my vote?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Yea i hear ya on that one saveliberty.