Conservative Republicans are such paragons of virtue and truth

[nycflasher]

Conservative Republicans are such paragons of virtue and truth that they claim that Bill Clinton's administration was "the most corrupt administration in American history" despite the fact that history contradicts everything about that statement.
Despite the fact that the President and first lady, and many members of the Clinton administration were charged with crimes, their accusers fell flat on their faces when they had to prove their trumped up charges in court almost every time, because there was no credible evidence or witnesses to justify the charges brought by their Republican enemies and touted by their countless friends in the mainstream media.
Contrast that to the great numbers of the Republican administration of Ronald Reagan who were not just charged, but were found guilty, but which most Americans don't remember because the so-called "Liberal media" rarely, if ever, make any mention of them. See the actual names & crimes below.
The contenders for the title of "the most corrupt administration in American history" are all Republican administrations. It may be hard to order them exactly, but the contenders for the first, second, third & fourth "most corrupt administrations in American history" are the Republican administrations of Grant, Harding, Nixon and Reagan.
Ronald Reagan's Criminal Administration:
Ronald Reagan's Cabinet

"By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever."

* Lyn Nofziger--Convicted on charges of illegal lobbying of White House in Wedtech scandal.

* Michael Deaver received three years' probation and was fined one hundred thousand dollars after being convicted for lying to a congressional subcommittee and a federal grand jury about his lobbying activities after leaving the White House. . .

* E. Bob Wallach, close friend and law classmate of Atty General Edwin Meese, was sentenced to six years in prison and fined $250,000 in connection with the Wedtech influence-peddling scandal.

Then there was:.
* James Watt, Reagan's Secretary of the Interior was indicted on 41 felony counts for using connections at the Department of Housing and Urban Development to help his private clients seek federal funds for housing projects in Maryland, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. Watt conceded that he had received $500,000 from clients who were granted very favorable housing contracts after he had intervened on their behalf. In testifying before a House committee Watt said: "That's what they offered and it sounded like a lot of money to me, and we settled on it." Watt was eventually sentenced to five years in prison and 500 hours of community service.

* The Iran-Contra scandal. In June, 1984, at a National Security Council meeting, CIA Director Casey urged President Reagan to seek third-party aid for the Nicaraguan contras. Secretary of State Schultz warned that it would be an "impeachable offense" if the U.S. government acted as conduit for such secret funding. But that didn't stop them. That same day, Oliver North was seeking third-party aid for the contras. But Reagan, the "teflon President" avoided serious charges or impeachment. . .

* Oliver North--Convicted of falsifying and destroying documents, accepting an illegal gratuity, and aiding and abetting the obstruction of Congress. Conviction overturned on appeal due to legal technicalities. . .

* John Poindexter, Reagan's national security advisor, --guilty of five criminal counts involving conspiracy to mislead Congress, obstructing congressional inquiries, lying to lawmakers, used "high national security" to mask deceit and wrong-doing. . .

* Richard Secord pleaded guilty to a felony charge of lying to Congress over Iran-Contra. . .

* Casper Weinberger was Secretary of Defense during Iran-Contra. In June 1992 he was indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of concealing from congressional investigators and prosecutors thousands of pages of his handwritten notes. The personal memoirs taken during high level meetings, detailed events in 1985 and 1986 involving the Iran-Contra affair. Weinberger claimed he was being unfairly prosecuted because he would not provide information incriminating Ronald Reagan. Weinberger was scheduled to go on trial January 5, 1993, where the contents of his notes would have come to light and may have implicated other, unindicted conspirators. While Weinberger was never directly linked to the covert operations phase of the Iran-Contra affair, he is believed to have been involved in the cover-up of the ensuing scandal. According to Special Prosecutor Lawrence Walsh, Weinberger's notes contain evidence of a conspiracy among the highest ranking Reagan Administration officials to lie to congress and the American public. Some of the notes are believed to have evidence against then Vice-President George Bush who pardoned Weinberger to keep him from going to trial. . .

* Elliott Abrams was appointed by President Reagan in 1985 to head the State Department's Latin American Bureau. He was closely linked with ex-White House aide Lt. Col. Oliver North's covert movement to aid the Contras. Working for North, Abrams coordinated inter-agency support for the contras and helped solicit illegal funding from foreign powers as well as domestic contributors. Abrams agreed to cooperate with Iran-Contra investigators and pled guilty to two charges reduced to misdemeanors. He was sentenced in 1991 to two years probation and 100 hours of community service but was pardoned by President George Bush. . .

* Robert C. McFarlane was appointed Ronald Reagan's National Security Advisor in October 1983 and become well-known as a champion of the MX missile program in his role as White House liaison to congress. In 1984, Mc Farlane initiated the review of U.S. policy towards Iran that led directly to the arms for hostages deal. He also supervised early National Security Council efforts to support the Contras. Shortly after the Iran-Contra scandal was revealed in early 1987, McFarlane took an overdose of the tranquilizer Valium in an attempt to end his life. In his own words: "What really drove me to despair was a sense of having failed the country." McFarlane pled guilty to four misdemeanors and was sentenced to two years probation and 200 hours of community service. He was also fined $20,000. He received a blanket pardon from President George Bush. . .

* Alan D. Fiers was the Chief of the Central Intelligence Agency's Central American Task Force. Fiers pled guilty in 1991 to two counts of withholding information from congress about Oliver North's activities and the diversion of Iran arms sale money to aid the Contras. He was sentenced to one year of probation and 100 hours of community service. Fiers agreed to cooperate with prosecutors in exchange for having his felonies reduced to misdemeanors and his testimony gave a boost to the long standing criminal investigation of Lawrence Walsh, Special Prosecutor. Fiers testified that he and three CIA colleagues knew by mid-1986 that profits from the TOW and HAWK missile sales to Iran were being diverted to the Contras months before it became public knowledge. Alan Fiers received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President Bush. . .

* Clair George was Chief of the CIA's Division of Covert Operations under President Reagan. In August 1992 a hung jury led U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth to declare a mistrial in the case of Clair George who was accused of concealing from Congress his knowledge of the Iran-Contra affair. George had been named by Alan Fiers when Fiers turned state's evidence for Lawrence Walsh's investigation. In a second trial on charges of perjury, false statements and obstruction of justice, George was convicted of lying to two congressional committees in 1986. George faced a maximum five year federal prison sentence and a $20,000 fine for each of the two convictions. Jurors cleared George of five other charges including two counts of lying to a federal grand jury. Those charges would have carried a mandatory 10 months in prison upon conviction. Clair George received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President George Bush. . .

* Duane R. (Dewey) Clarridge was head of the CIA's Western European Division under President Reagan. He was indicted on November 29, 1991 for lying to congress and to the Tower Commission that investigated Iran- Contra. Clarridge was charged with five counts of perjury and two counts of making false statements for covering up his knowledge of a November 25, 1985 shipment of HAWK missiles to Iran. Clarridge was also suspected of diverting to the Contras weapons that were originally intended for the Afghan mujahaddeen guerrillas. Clarridge received a blanket pardon for his crimes on Christmas Eve 1992 from President George Bush. . .

* Environmental Protection Agency's favoritism toward polluters. Assistant administrator unduly influenced by chemical industry lobbyists. Another administrator resigned after pressuring employees to tone down a critical report on a chemical company accused of illegal pollution in Michigan. The deputy chief of federal activities was accused of compiling an interagency "hit" or "enemies" list, like those kept in the Nixon Watergate period, singling out career employees to be hired, fired or promoted according to political beliefs. . .

* Anne Gorscuh Burford resigned amid accusations she politically manipulated the Superfund money. . .

* Rita Lavelle was fired after accusing a senior EPA official of "systematically alienating the business community." She was later indicted, tried and convicted of lying to Congress and served three months of a six-month prison sentence. After an extensive investigation, in August 1984, a House of Representatives subcommittee concluded that top-level EPA appointees by Reagan for three years "violated their public trust by disregarding the public health and the environment, manipulating the Superfund program for political purposes, engaging in unethical conduct and participating in other abuses.".

* Neglected nuclear safety. A critical situation involving nuclear safety had been allowed to develop during the Reagan era. Immense sums, estimated at 200 billion or more, would be required in the 1990s to replace and make safe America's neglected, aging, deteriorating, and dangerous nuclear facilities. . .

* Savings & Loan Bail-out. Hundreds of billions of dollars were needed to bail out savings and loan institutions that either had failed during the deregulation frenzy of the eighties or were in danger of bankruptcy. . .

* Reckless airline deregulation. Deregulation of airline industry took too broad a sweep, endangering public safety.

Additionally:
* Richard Allen, National Security adviser resigned amid controversy over an honorarium he received for arranging an interview with Nancy Reagan. . .

* Richard Beggs, chief administrator at NASA was indicted for defrauding the government while an executive at General Dynamics. . .

* Guy Flake, Deputy Secretary of Commerce, resigned after allegations of a conflict of interest in contract negotiations. . .

* Louis Glutfrida, Director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency resigned amid allegations of misuses of government property. . .

* Edwin Gray, Chairman of the Federal Home Loan Bank was charged with illegally repaying himself and his wife $26,000 in travel costs. . .

* Max Hugel, CIA chief of covert operations who resigned after allegations of fraudulent financial dealings. . .

* Carlos Campbell, Assistant Secretary of Commerce resigned over charges of awarding federal grants to his personal friends' firms. . .

* Raymond Donovan, Secretary of Labor indicted for defrauding the New York City Transit Authority of $7.4. million.
{ Republicans will point out that Donovan was acquitted. And that really matters in Donovan's case, because he was a Republican. But it didn't matter for Clinton or any of his cabinet, most all of whom were acquitted, because THEY were Democrats!} * John Fedders, chief of enforcement for the Securities and Exchange Commission resigned over charges of beating his wife. . .

* Arthur Hayes, Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration resigned over illegal travel reimbursements. . .

* J. Lynn Helms, chief of the Federal Aviation Administration resigned over a grand jury investigation of illegal business activities. . .

* Marjory Mecklenburg, Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Resources resigned over irregularities on her travel vouchers. . .

* Robert Nimmo, head of the Veterans Administration resigned when a report criticized him for improper use of government funds. . .

* J. William Petro, U.S. Attorney fired and fined for tipping off an acquaintance about a forthcoming Grand Jury investigation. . .

* Thomas C. Reed, White House counselor and National Security Council adviser resigned and paid a $427,000 fine for stock market insider trading. . .

* Emanuel Savas, Assistant Secretary of HUD resigned over assigning staff members to work on government time on a book that guilty to expense account fraud and accepting kickbacks on government contracts. . .

* Charles Wick, Director of the U.S. Information Agency investigated for taping conversations with public officials without their approval.



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Two types of problems typified the ethical misconduct cases of the Reagan years, and both had heavy consequences to citizens everywhere. One stemmed from ideology and deregulatory impulses run amok; the other, from classic corruption on a grand scale.
* The Pentagon procurement scandal, which resulted from the Republicans' enormous infusion of money too quickly into the Defense Department after the lean Carter years . . .

* Massive fraud and mismanagement in the Department of Housing and Urban Development throughout Reagan's eight years. These were finally documented in congressional hearings in spring 1989, after Reagan left office. Cost the taxpayers billions of dollars in losses. What made this scandal most shameful was that Reagan's' friends and fixers profited at the expense of the poor, the very people HUD and the federal government were pledged to assist through low-income housing. . . Despite their many public lies about the matter, it was eventually proven that the Sales of weapons to Iran, followed by illegal financial support of the Central American Contras were carried out with the knowledge of, among others, President Ronald Reagan, Vice President George Bush, Secretary of State George P. Shultz, Secretary of Defense Caspar W. Weinberger, Director of Central Intelligence William J. Casey, and national security advisers Robert C. McFarlane and John M. Poindexter. Of these officials, only Weinberger and Shultz dissented from the policy decision. Weinberger eventually acquiesced and ordered the Department of Defense to provide the necessary arms. Large volumes of highly relevant, contemporaneously created documents were systematically and willfully withheld from investigators by several Reagan Administration officials in an attempt to cover up the administration's extensive corruption.

 

[OCA]

Bloody Bill Clinton - American Caligula

President Bill Clinton may be in his final year of office but he leaves in his wake a trail of allegations that, if true, would rank him alongside some of history's most notorious criminals. He has been implicated in cocaine use by none other than his younger brother Roger Clinton, himself a convicted drug trafficker. In an Arkansas State Police surveillance audio tape, obtained by freelance journalist Scott Wheeler, Roger Clinton can be heard describing how he smuggled large amounts of cocaine through airports. Most significant were his comments about the then Arkansas State Governor, Got to get some for my brother; he's got a nose like a vacuum cleaner.

This is not just groundless speculation. In 1990 Sharlene Wilson, an informant for the Seventh Judicial drug task force in Arkansas, testified under oath that she had supplied Governor Bill Clinton with cocaine. Shortly thereafter the drug task force was closed down and Wilson herself was charged with drug violations. In 1992 she was sentenced to 31 years for selling half an ounce of marijuana and $100 worth of methamphetamine. Clinton's misdemeanors amount to more than drug use though, much more. One of the first things Bill Clinton did on assuming the presidency was to appoint Patsy Thomasson - a top lieutenant of convicted drug dealer Dan Lasater - as White House chief of personnel.Bill Clinton then installed his friend Webster Hubbel as shadow Attorney General, until Hubbel was jailed for fraud. Prior to his becoming assistant Attorney General he had been over billing clients at the Rose Law firm, in Little Rock Arkansas, where he had been a partner with Hilary Clinton.

Then we have the suicide of Vincent Foster. As reported in The SPOTLIGHT, featured in the previous edition of The Seeker, Forster had been deeply disturbed by events at Waco and had been in the process of preparing a potentially damming report. So Clinton had good reason to want him out of the way and as many suspect his death was not a suicide; eyewitness accounts by police and ambulance crew members who recovered Foster's body and official autopsy findings are distinctly at odds. One of the reasons that Clinton has been able to get away with so much is the compliance of the mainstream media. As one of the few journalist's who has covered Clinton's time in office with any honesty and insight, Ambrose Pritchard-Evans noted:
The Washington press corps has chosen not to report this sort of thing, of course, because it always gives more weight to the uttering of an official source, with a title, than it does to the testimony of a common citizen.

As a result Bill Clinton has been allowed to get away with murder, almost literally. Yet he is guilty of far more. He has been implicated in rape, sexual assault, mass murder (Waco) and, as we detailed in a previous issue, War crimes in Iraq and the former Yugoslavia. Indeed it is no exaggeration to say that history may well place Bill Clinton alongside the likes of Nero and Caligula. Here then is a list of people who have been connected in some way with Bill Clinton and who have died in rather suspicious circumstances:

1) Susan Coleman: said to have had an affair with Clinton before he became President. Told friends she was expecting his child and was 7 months pregnant when she found dead with a gunshot wound to the head. Verdict, suicide.

2)Larry Guerrin: killed while investigating the INSLAW case. In brief this involved the US Justice Department using stolen software, modifying it for intelligence purposes and then selling it to foreign governments and making millions in the process.

3) Kevin Ives and Don Henry: two 16 year old boys who may have stumbled across drug running operations involving Bill Clinton at Mena airfield in Arkansas in 1987.Initial reports, by State Medical Examiner Fahmy Malak, suggested that the boys had fallen asleep on the railway line and been crushed. However when the parents kicked up a fuss another forensic report showed Kevin's skull had been crushed prior to being placed on the track whilst Don had been stabbed in the back.

4) Keith Coney said he had information on Ives and Henry deaths. Died in a high-speed motorcycle crash in 1989,said to have involved a car chase.

5) Keith McKaskle, said to have information on the Ives and Henry deaths. Stabbed to death in November 1988.

6) Gregory Collins, once again said to have information on the Ives and Henry deaths and once again killed, this time by a gunshot wound to the face.

7) Jeff Rhodes was also said to have information on the deaths of Ives and Henry. He was found on a waste heap in April 1989 with a gunshot wound to the head.

8) James Milam also had information on the Ives and Henry deaths but before he could talk too widely he was found decapitated. Once again the State Medical Examiner, Fahmy Malak, ruled the death due to natural causes.

9) Richard Winters, a suspect in the Ives and Henry case had offered to cooperate and give evidence. However he died in a �robbery�, which was subsequently proved to have been a set-up.

10) Jordan Kettleson was also said to have information on the Ives and Henry deaths. He was found shot dead in his pick-up in June 1990.

11) Danny Casalaro, a journalist investigating Mena airstrip, the Arkansas coke trade and INSLAW. Had warned his family that he had learnt too much and not to believe it was suicide if he turned up dead. Shortly thereafter he was found in a bathtub in the Sheraton Hotel in Martinsburg, West Virginia. Both his wrists had been slashed, one ten times, all his research material was missing and has never been recovered

12) Victor Raiser, the National Co-Chair for theBill Clinton for President campaign, died in an airplane crash in July, 1992.

13) R Montgomery Raiser also worked on the Bill Clinton campaign and died in the same crash.

14) Ian Spiro, said to have supporting documentation for grand jury proceedings in the INSLAW case. His wife and three children were found murdered in their home in November 1992.All had gunshot wounds to the head. Ian's body later was found in a car in the Borrego Desert. FBI reports concluded that he had shot his family and then committed suicide by taking cyanide.

15) Paula Grober, Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf. Killed in car smash with no other cars involved and no witnesses. She is said to have been very attractive and traveled extensively with Clinton prior to her death in December 1992. All the above died prior to Clinton�s inauguration in January 1993.In its aftermath the deaths not only continued but became even more numerous.

16) Steve Willis, Robert Williams, Todd McKeahan and Conway LeBleu were the only four BAFT men killed at Waco. In an autopsy performed by a private Doctor all four were found to have near identical execution style head wounds. All four had previously been bodyguards fo rBill Clinton prior to their deaths in April 1993.

17) Sgt. Brian Haney, Sgt.Tim Sabel, Maj. William Barkley and Capt. Scott Reynolds. Once again all four men had been bodyguards for Bill Clinton prior to their deaths in a helicopter crash near Quantico, Va. Reporters were barred from the scene whilst firefighters responding to the crash had their video tapes seized and a fire chief described a scene where, security was tight with lots of marines with guns.

18) Paul Wilcher was found dead shortly after presenting Attorney General Janet Reno with a report on Waco, death ruled to unknown causes. See extracts from the report in this issue.

19) White House deputy counsel Vincent Foster was said to have been preparing a potentially damming report on Waco at the time of his death. As reported in the previous issue he had been deeply disturbed by events at Waco and his death, in July 1993, was officially labeled a suicide.

20) Stanley Heard and Steven Dickson were members of Clinton's Health Advisory Committee. Both died in an air crash in September 1993.

21) Jerry Luther Parks, Chief of Security at Clinton's national campaign headquarters in Little Rock. He was shot through the rear window of his car, the killer then went to the drivers side of Parks car and pumped three more 9mm bullets into him. His family reported that shortly before his death their home had been broken into, despite a top line security system. Parks had been preparing a dossier on Clinton's activities, the dossier was stolen.

22) Ed Willey, a Clinton fundraiser, was found shot dead in November 1993.Once again the death was ruled suicide. His wife Kathleen, who was working as a White House volunteer at the time, claimed that Clinton sexually assaulted her when she had approached him, distraught over the loss of her husband.

Indeed allegations of sexual assault and even rape go back a long way with Clinton. As far back as 1969 in fact when Clinton was still a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford University. A retired State Department employee said he believed a young English woman who claimed she had been raped by Clinton.
There was no doubt in my mind that this young woman had suffered severe emotional trauma, he said. But we were under tremendous pressure to avoid the embarrassment of having a Rhodes Scholar charged with rape. I filed a report with my superiors and that was the last I heard of it.
She is not the only woman who has accused Clinton of rape. Early in 1999 Juanita Broaddrick, an Arkansas woman who worked on Clinton's campaign when he was attorney general in 1978, told NBC that he had raped her. Claiming pressure from the White House NBC shelved the report.
Then we have the case of Elizabeth Ward, a former Miss Arkansas who claimed that Clinton had forced himself on her shortly after she won the State crown. In 1999 she told an interviewer that she did have sex with him but that it was consensual; she later recanted saying that she had been threatened by Clinton supporters into claiming the sex was consensual. And still the killings go on...

23) Dr Roland Rogers a Dentist from Arkansas. Died on his way to the Sunday Telegraph in London to reveal sensitive information about Clinton in March 1994

24) Kathy Ferguson, a 38-year-old hospital worker whose ex-husband was a co-defendant in the Paula Jones case. She died in May 1994, from a gunshot wound to the head, ruled suicide; curiously next to the body were several packed suitcases, as if she was getting ready to go somewhere.

25) Bill Shelton was Kathy's boyfriend and an Arkansas police officer. He was found on her grave the following month with a gunshot wound to the back of the head. Judged to be suicide.

26) Alan G Whither, oversaw Clinton's Secret Service detail. He was transferred to a field office in Oklahoma City in October 1994.Whatever warning was given to the other BAFT agents in the building (none of whom came to work that day) failed to reach him, he died on April 19 1995 in the infamous Oklahoma City bomb blast. Incidentally the families of the victims of the blast are now preparing to sue the U.S. Government, saying it had prior knowledge of the bombing.

27) Ron Brown, Commerce Secretary died along with 35 other people on April 3,1996, in an air crash involving Airforce 2. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated and had spoken publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. According to one report he allegedly told Clinton, he was not going down alone. However his death brought that possibility to an abrupt end. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the back of Brown's head that resembled a gunshot wound. And we are not counting the other 35 people who died in the same crash.

28) Shelly Kelly, an Air Force stewardess was onboard the same flight, at the back of the plane, and suffered only minor cuts and bruises in the crash. Indeed she was able to board a rescue helicopter without assistance. She died later died in hospital, supposedly from a loss of blood. According to journalist Joe L Jordan, an autopsy revealed a three inch cut over her main femoral artery which was sustained over three hours after all her other cuts and bruises. Thereafter Clinton ordered the bodies of all the victims cremated.

29) Barbara Wise, a Commerce Department employee. She was found dead in her locked office, partially nude and covered in bruises, following a long weekend. Officially she is said to have died of natural causes.

30) Christine M Mirzayan, Clinton intern killed on August 1 1998.In the publicity prior to the Paula Jones law suit Newsweek revealed that a former White House staffer with the initial M was about to go public with a story about sexual harassment at the White House. Thereafter Christine was found beaten to death with a heavy object near Georgetown University, Washington.

31) Mary Mahoon was another former White House intern who was about to go public with a story of sexual harassment at the White House. Before she could though some unknown characters entered a Washington Starbucks, where she was working, and shot her dead. Her two assistants, Aaron Goodrich, 18 and Emory Evans were taken to a room along with Mary and pumped full of bullets. Mary was shot in the chest, face and back of the head, probably with silencers as nobody in the densely populated area heard anything. Even though the killers left $4000 in the cashbox untouched, the police categorized the killings as a robbery whilst acknowledging its execution style.

As reported in the previous issue of the Seeker four members of Delta Force have recently died in training accidents. They were Lt Col Anthony A. Boyles and Sgt Eric Ellingson, killed in river training accidents. Master Sgt Gaetano Cutino, killed while exiting from a helicopter. And Sgt Jamey Dimase killed while participating in marksmanship training. These were the men who had actually gone into the Branch Davidian compound at Waco and carried out the killings of 86 men, women and children. These men were hardened professional killers, yet even they had been disturbed by what they had been ordered to do and actually done. So much so that given immunity from prosecution they had been prepared to come forward and testify. Although Paul Wilcher does not name them in his report these were the very individuals whose testimony could have demolished Clinton's Presidency.

The Wilcher Report was buried along with Paul Wilcher and for a while things went on as before, in other words the killings went on and on. Then in 1999 the Wilcher Report resurfaced, when Attorney General Janet Reno was told she expressed total anger. According to unnamed eyewitnesses quoted in the Drudge Report: Her face was flushed, she was clearly shaken. In the following months the four Delta Force men all died in training accidents: to quote Paul Wilcher, to silence their testimony forever.

 

[MtnBiker]

Both of you should supply links to your sources.

 

[OCA]

Sorry Biker mine is www.usmessageboard.com

 

[MtnBiker]

Thanks OCA!

 

[OCA]

I'm assuming you knew where my little cut and paste came from already Biker:

 

[MtnBiker]

Actually I did not. It's been so long since I've gone through that page to arrive in the chat room I forgot about that area. Nice reminder though.

 

[OCA]

I don't think that article mentions that Clinton was impeached by the house and Reagan wasn't, does it? Does it also mention that Clinton bombed an aspirin factory and killed civilians on the day of his impeachment vote for no other reason than to shift the focus off of him?

 

[OCA]

Originally posted by MtnBiker
Actually I did not. It's been so long since I've gone through that page to arrive in the chat room I forgot about that area. Nice reminder though.

Neither do I. I just saw Flasher/Chippewa's lowlife attempt to impune Reagan before the body is even cold and remembered that article on the mass murderer Bubba.

 

[Bullypulpit]

All of the allegations of bloody handed murder against Goatboy are nothing but attempts at character assassination created from the fevered brains of the extreme right wing of the conservative movement. They are unsubstantiated by any evidence what-so-ever. The only thing Goatboy was guilty of was not being able to keep his dick in his pants.

As for the allegations about Ronald Reagan's administration are all matters of public record.

 

[Avatar4321]

Originally posted by Bullypulpit
All of the allegations of bloody handed murder against Goatboy are nothing but attempts at character assassination created from the fevered brains of the extreme right wing of the conservative movement. They are unsubstantiated by any evidence what-so-ever. The only thing Goatboy was guilty of was not being able to keep his dick in his pants.

As for the allegations about Ronald Reagan's administration are all matters of public record.

Which administration is corrupt as a matter of public record? the one that was impeached of course. which president was impeached?

You seem to forget that in order to character assasinate, the person in question has to have character to begin with. no such individvual was involved.

 

[DKSuddeth]

After everything I've just read, I find it odd that not one person has refuted any of the points that nycflasher made. The closest thing to it was OCA's post about the clinton administration and his allegations that a dozen people were killed to cover up something. oh, and bombing an aspirin factory to draw focus off the lewinsky testimony.

This SHOULD be the ultimate evidence that shows that we've gone beyond whats good for america and shifted into protecting our political parties, much to the detriment of america.

people on both sides of the fence, if they had any conscience, should seriously reflect on what it is they wish to protect, instead of what it is they wish to bring down.

 

[OCA]

What was the ultimate result of Iran-Contra that trumps any of the other b.s.? Can anybody answer that?

The fact of the matter is that Reagan achieved more, did more good and had a more positive effect on this country and the world than Bubba ever fantasized about doing.

Lets just look at the atmospheres of the country during the two administrations. Reagan's tenure was generally regarded as a time of harmony in the country, one in which people on both sides of the aisle generally felt proud to be American. Bubba's tenure is generally regarded to have fostered and cultivated the current riffs and tensions rippling through America. He was infected with scandals and rumours even before he was elected and played Americans against each other. He was impeached.

All of Reagan's former staff and every member of his administration could do time at Leavenworth and it will not change the fact that he was a more positive influence upon this country than Bubba ever fathomed and that irks Democrats.

 

[OCA]

Originally posted by Bullypulpit
All of the allegations of bloody handed murder against Goatboy are nothing but attempts at character assassination created from the fevered brains of the extreme right wing of the conservative movement. They are unsubstantiated by any evidence what-so-ever. The only thing Goatboy was guilty of was not being able to keep his dick in his pants.

As for the allegations about Ronald Reagan's administration are all matters of public record.

This comes from Bully I think we can all blow this post off. There is more than enough sufficient evidence to link Bubba to one or more of these murders only the LMM would never allow that.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by OCA
This comes from Bully I think we can all blow this post off. There is more than enough sufficient evidence to link Bubba to one or more of these murders only the LMM would never allow that.

Is that the new strategy of the right? make accusations of links to murder that haven't been, or can't be, proven because clinton was impeached for lying but never convicted? So much for being above the fray.

 

[dilloduck]

Both sides appear to be trying to claim the high ground by discrediting ex presidents. I guess if I were a liberal I would have felt the need to point out Reagans short-comings after all that praise was heaped on him for a week. I'm still waiting for the left to sing the praises of Kerry. Kerry is not running against Reagan folks and Bush is not running against Clinton.

 

[DKSuddeth]

it may happen that way, especially with bush now trying to run like reagan.

 

[dilloduck]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
it may happen that way, especially with bush now trying to run like reagan.

How is he doing that?

 

[OCA]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
Is that the new strategy of the right? make accusations of links to murder that haven't been, or can't be, proven because clinton was impeached for lying but never convicted? So much for being above the fray.

You wanna take a crack at the Iran-Contra question and what was the ultimate end result of it all? You seriously think that there is no evidence to link Bubba to those murders if someone, anyone was allowed to investigate them without fear of death?

Yeah I guess that would be a new strategy of the right, but its old hat for the left.

 

[OCA]

Originally posted by dilloduck
How is he doing that?

Yeah i'd also like to see an example of that.