A couple of right wing think tankers jump the shark.

[whitehall]

Shades of Trump. The losers are attacking fellow conservative USMB posters with frivolous charges.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

What frivolous charges? Charges?? Who said anything about charges???

 

[SmokeALib]

I've seen it all now. Unless Thiessen and Pletka are just trolling. I don't know if what they are suggesting is more absurd or more obscene. But I'm leaning towards the latter.

After the initial reaction of repulsion by POT leadership to Jan. 6 the party of trump has come a very long way. Not for the better. After years of disinformation and dissembling of the events of the day, and the plot to get there, trumples have come full circle.

Biden should pardon Trump

More than a year ago in this space, we suggested that Biden should pardon Trump before the 2024 election. The threshold for the sitting president’s administration to indict the leading candidate of the opposing party should be extraordinarily high, we argued, and polls then showed that most Americans believed the charges were politically motivated.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/25/biden-pardon-trump-unity/

Plainly speaking, it's a disgusting idea to pardon a man so clearly guilty of trying to subvert the Constitution to retain power. Moreover, it would make a mockery of the violent attacks Capital police officers suffered at the hands of trump's mob. Not to mention the gobsmacking shock millions of Americans experienced as they watched an assault on the republic live and on TV.

My personal opinion is the Wa Po should not have published such an insult to patriotic Americans and an affront to common decency. One wonders if they did because some members of the editorial board resigned after Bezos's decision not to endorse a presidential candidate after his paper had so frequently chronicled trump's authoritarian impulses in such granular detail. Hopefully, that was not a sign the media will be cowed under threat of retribution for speaking the truth about the trump admin.

It's all good. Trump is the 47th president.

 

[PeanutGallery]

Read the indictment.

Okay. Where in the indictment is the word "insurrection" mentioned?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Okay. Where in the indictment is the word "insurrection" mentioned?

You refuse the obvious, which is your problem not mine.

 

[berg80]

Because the charges were all bullshit.

That's the reply of a brainwashed rube. Read the indictment.

1. The Defendant, DONALD J. TRUMP, was the forty-fifth President of the United States and a candidate for re-election in 2020. The Defendant lost the 2020 presidential election.

2. Despite having lost, the Defendant was determined to remain in power. So for more than two months following election day on November 3, 2020, the Defendant spread lies that there had been outcome-determinative fraud in the election and that he had actually won. These claims were false, and the Defendant knew that they were false. But the Defendant repeated and widely
disseminated them anyway—to make his knowingly false claims appear legitimate, create an intense national atmosphere of mistrust and anger, and erode public faith in the administration of the election.

3. The Defendant had a right, like every American, to speak publicly about the election and even to claim, falsely, that there had been outcome-determinative fraud during the election and that he had won. He was also entitled to formally challenge the results of the election through lawful and appropriate means, such as by seeking recounts or audits of the popular vote in states or filing lawsuits challenging ballots and procedures. Indeed, in many cases, the Defendant did pursue these methods of contesting the election results. His efforts to change the outcome in any state through recounts, audits, or legal challenges were uniformly unsuccessful.4. Shortly after election day, the Defendant also pursued unlawful means of discounting legitimate votes and subverting the election results. In so doing, the Defendant perpetrated three criminal conspiracies:

a. A conspiracy to defraud the United States by using dishonesty, fraud, and deceit to impair, obstruct, and defeat the lawful federal government function by which the results of the presidential election are collected, counted, and certified by the federal government, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371;
b. A conspiracy to corruptly obstruct and impede the January 6 congressional proceeding at which the collected results of the presidential election are counted and certified ("the certification proceeding"), in violation of 18U.S.C. § 1512(k);and
c. A conspiracy against the right to vote and to have one's vote counted, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 241.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/US_v_Trump_23_cr_257.pdf

Now you know why TWO grand juries voted to indict trump for trying to steal the election. One for the first indictment, the second for the superseding indictment. Both based on the overwhelming evidence.

 

[SweetTea]

A plurality, not a majority. I know this is a stretch for you but if you're going to be honest you'd have to admit trump's election is largely due to articles of faith he will magically lower the price of gas and food. Had he not been able to dupe so many in to believing Biden was responsible for global inflation and a black woman can't do the job of prez he'd still be reliant on his court to bail him out of legal jeopardy.

Trump would have won(maybe he did) in 2020 had COVID not taken place. It was a slam dunk because people were happy with the direction of the country. The media was able to convince the people that the black swan COVID event was Trump's fault and they would be better off with anybody else. People bought it.(maybe) Our economy would have been soaring without COVID and Trump being re-elected on 2020. We need 8 years of Trump and Vance to get back on track. Biden, the Democrats and the neocons are clueless, anti-American, war mongering globalists. Eventually even people like you will get it.

 

[PeanutGallery]

You refuse the obvious, which is your problem not mine.

I've actually read the indictment. The word "insurrection" doesn't appear anywhere in the document. That's reality. The fact that you can't accept that, or link to something on the document that proves me wrong is your problem, not mine.

 

[berg80]

I've actually read the indictment. The word "insurrection" doesn't appear anywhere in the document. That's reality. The fact that you can't accept that, or link to something on the document that proves me wrong is your problem, not mine.

It's amazing to me what you folks seem to find comfort in. As though you've convinced yourself a semantic dispute removes trump's guilt.

 

[PeanutGallery]

It's amazing to me what you folks seem to find comfort in. As though you've convinced yourself a semantic dispute removes trump's guilt.

Since we have an actual law, 18 U.S.C. 2383: Insurrection and Rebellion, on the books, you would think that Jack Smith would've referenced that in his indictment of Trump. In his whole indictment document, the word "insurrection" doesn't appear and he didn't refer to that law at any point. So, if Trump was not charged with Insurrection and Rebellion according to Jack Smith, please explain on what basis is Trump is guilty of insurrection?

 

[22lcidw]

Perhaps the trumples who wrote the piece think he does due to the overwhelming evidence of his guilt.

Trump was treated like a man who live in a nation that has a soft tyranny. A nation that the powers tried to destroy and kill. And all the time there is a criminal in office now that is getting a free pass. If Trump is for real, he represents change for the many, and for the citizens of our nation it is not a bad thing.

 

[Rawley]

That's the reply of a brainwashed rube. Read the indictment.

We have. America has. And they resoundingly, unequivocally, unquestionably rejected your cult's lawfare against Trump as partisan bullshit

Now you know why TWO grand juries voted to indict trump for trying to steal the election. One for the first indictment, the second for the superseding indictment. Both based on the overwhelming evidence.

That's the reply of a brainwashed rube. Every five year old understands that the most incompetent paralegal can indict a ham sandwich.

Berg - for you own mental health, you need to drop the hate. Otherwise, the next four years will find you on the ledge on the roof of a very tall building.

 

[Delldude]

My personal opinion is the Wa Po should not have published such an insult to patriotic Americans and an affront to common decency.

"Democracy Dies in Darkness"

 

[lafayette]

Lawfare was not rejected by the voters.

It was the price to hopefully slow down prices on gas and groceries.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Trump would have won(maybe he did) in 2020 had COVID not taken place. It was a slam dunk because people were happy with the direction of the country. The media was able to convince the people that the black swan COVID event was Trump's fault and they would be better off with anybody else. People bought it.(maybe) Our economy would have been soaring without COVID and Trump being re-elected on 2020. We need 8 years of Trump and Vance to get back on track. Biden, the Democrats and the neocons are clueless, anti-American, war mongering globalists. Eventually even people like you will get it.

the black swan COVID event was Trump's fault ...

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

What you have to get used to is that the majority of Americans have rejected the irrational hate you have for our President. The sooner you do that, the sooner you will start healing.

No. Orange bag O' shit. Fuck that guy.

 

[Nostra]

But a majority did not vote for Trump, which is what you are lying about.

I am? Quote me.

 

[Nostra]

Read the indictment.

no insurrection charge, Gimpy.

 

[PeanutGallery]

Since we have an actual law, 18 U.S.C. 2383: Insurrection and Rebellion, on the books, you would think that Jack Smith would've referenced that in his indictment of Trump. In his whole indictment document, the word "insurrection" doesn't appear and he didn't refer to that law at any point. So, if Trump was not charged with Insurrection and Rebellion according to Jack Smith, please explain on what basis is Trump is guilty of insurrection?

Berg and Lafayette, you can thumb down this comment all you want, but I noticed that neither one of you could refute what I said with actual words. I'll just take that as a concession that you can't go to the indictment and point out where I'm wrong.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Because the charges were all bullshit. And the MAJORITY of Americans agree. The sooner you realize that and get over it, the sooner your healing can begin.

Seeing justice denied doesn't work. We're not going to heal, snowflake.