Conservative Immigration Policy

[jwoodie]

Every sovereign nation is defined by its borders, which it has an obligation to defend for the protection and security of its citizens. This obligation also applies to its sovereign neighbors by not allowing illegal entry into their territory.

In the case of the United States, these principles not only apply to our borders with Canada and Mexico, but also to air and sea transportation in and out of our country. At the present time, illegal Canadian border crossing are practically nonexistent, so our responsibilities are greatest with respect to the Mexican border and, to a lesser extent, visa violations. In both instances, these responsibilities have not been met; the former because of political interests and the latter because of business interests. As a result, we have sacrificed the protection and security of our citizenry for the benefit of a few special interests.

As mentioned previously, sovereign nations have a responsibility to their neighbors to police their common borders. However, Mexico has been so derelict in this responsibility as to be a co-conspirator in facilitating illegal entry across its borders into the U.S. For example, how did all those children from Central America just show up on our southern border?

This situation requires much more effective border enforcement by both countries. However, if Mexico refuses do its part, then it should be held financially accountable for the additional expenses the United States is forced to incur to in this regard. When Donald Trump talks about building a wall and making Mexico pay for it, this is exactly what he is referring to.

 

[Militants]

The Wall is good ideas from Donald Trump.

I thinks the Trump is much better than W Bush.

 

[sealybobo]

Every sovereign nation is defined by its borders, which it has an obligation to defend for the protection and security of its citizens. This obligation also applies to its sovereign neighbors by not allowing illegal entry into their territory.

In the case of the United States, these principles not only apply to our borders with Canada and Mexico, but also to air and sea transportation in and out of our country. At the present time, illegal Canadian border crossing are practically nonexistent, so our responsibilities are greatest with respect to the Mexican border and, to a lesser extent, visa violations. In both instances, these responsibilities have not been met; the former because of political interests and the latter because of business interests. As a result, we have sacrificed the protection and security of our citizenry for the benefit of a few special interests.

As mentioned previously, sovereign nations have a responsibility to their neighbors to police their common borders. However, Mexico has been so derelict in this responsibility as to be a co-conspirator in facilitating illegal entry across its borders into the U.S. For example, how did all those children from Central America just show up on our southern border?

This situation requires much more effective border enforcement by both countries. However, if Mexico refuses do its part, then it should be held financially accountable for the additional expenses the United States is forced to incur to in this regard. When Donald Trump talks about building a wall and making Mexico pay for it, this is exactly what he is referring to.

Lets be honest. The reason we have so many ILLEGAL immigrants is because corporations want cheap labor. The minute we stop letting millions of illegals work here they will start making an argument why we need more mexican and arab immigrants.

Five Reasons Why the U.S. Labor Force Needs Immigrants

1. Despite an unemployment rate of 7.6 percent (March 2013), employers struggle to hire for certain positions with millions of jobs unfilled each month.

• In the U.S., 49 percent of employers find it difficult to fill mission-critical positions—15 percentage points higher than the global average.
• By 2018 more than 230,000 science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) jobs requiring an advanced degree will not be filled even if every U.S.-born STEM grad finds a job.
• Immigrants will be critical to filling future labor gaps, with 76 million baby boomers retiring and only 46 million U.S.-born workers entering the workforce by 2030.

2. Immigrants bring skill sets that are critical for the U.S. economy, especially in projected growth industries.

• Construction is projected to add 1.8 million jobs by 2020. A study of Latino immigrant construction workers found that nearly 60 percent arrived in the U.S. with a deep and sophisticated knowledge of the trade.
• The foreign born represent 25 percent of scientists and engineers in the United States.
• Immigrants, although 13 percent of the U.S. population, make up 28 percent of the in-home health care workforce, with 1 in 5 direct care workers lacking documentation.
• In recent years, immigrants have had higher labor force participation rates than people born in the United States, with 68 percent of immigrants participating in the labor force in 2012 versus 63 percent for the U.S. born.

3. The U.S. is in a global competition to attract and retain human capital.

• The U.S. only issues 15,000 more employment-based green cards than Australia does of its visa equivalent despite having 14 times the population. Caps on immigration force 20,000 U.S.-educated students to leave the U.S. every year.
• The U.S. is competing with countries such as Chile, which offers immigrants $40,000 in equity-free capital and a one-year visa to start a company. The Chilean program has drawn more than 1,600 applications from 70 countries, with U.S.-based applicants leading the way.

4. The U.S. population is aging and the potential of more unfilled jobs and talent shortages may impede economic growth.

• By 2030, the U.S. will need to add 25 million workers to the labor force to sustain current levels of economic growth.
• Without immigrants, the U.S. will not have enough new workers to support retirees. Seventy years ago, there were 150 workers for every 20 seniors; 10 years ago, there were 100 workers per 20 seniors. By 2050, there will be only 56 workers for every 20 seniors.
• Immigrants are vital for maintaining a strong workforce, with more than one-third of U.S. population growth attributed to the arrival of new immigrants.[15] By 2050, 93 percent of the growth of the U.S. working-age population will be accounted for by immigrants and their children.
• Approximately 75 percent of the foreign-born labor force is comprised of workers in the vital 25- to 54-year-old category—10 percentage points higher than that for their U.S.-born counterparts.

5. Immigrants, with their language skills and international linkages, open new, global business and trade opportunities.

• Immigration boosts trade with a 10 percent increase in a country’s number of immigrants increasing the volume of trade by about 1.5 percent.
• Every 100 H1-B visas issued results in 183 jobs created for U.S.-born workers, with every 100 H2-B (less skilled, nonagricultural) visas creating 464 additional jobs.

The only ones who like them being illegal are the illegal employers.

 

[Windship]

Every sovereign nation is defined by its borders, which it has an obligation to defend for the protection and security of its citizens. This obligation also applies to its sovereign neighbors by not allowing illegal entry into their territory.

In the case of the United States, these principles not only apply to our borders with Canada and Mexico, but also to air and sea transportation in and out of our country. At the present time, illegal Canadian border crossing are practically nonexistent, so our responsibilities are greatest with respect to the Mexican border and, to a lesser extent, visa violations. In both instances, these responsibilities have not been met; the former because of political interests and the latter because of business interests. As a result, we have sacrificed the protection and security of our citizenry for the benefit of a few special interests.

As mentioned previously, sovereign nations have a responsibility to their neighbors to police their common borders. However, Mexico has been so derelict in this responsibility as to be a co-conspirator in facilitating illegal entry across its borders into the U.S. For example, how did all those children from Central America just show up on our southern border?

Do you remember aaaaaall those trips gorje busch' took to mexico to talk with their pres?
What do you think they talked about?
repubs let the left let in illegals. Biz gets the cheap labour, the right blames it on the left. But when the right gets in office...they dont change anything back...(you righties dont even notice that, huh?)the stupid robots forget and both sides bases are fooled.
People arent swayed by logic, fact and reason, they are moved by the skillful manipulation of words and facts, logic and reason.
How does it feel to be a sucker?
Most of ya dont even try...sigh.

 

[sealybobo]

Every sovereign nation is defined by its borders, which it has an obligation to defend for the protection and security of its citizens. This obligation also applies to its sovereign neighbors by not allowing illegal entry into their territory.

In the case of the United States, these principles not only apply to our borders with Canada and Mexico, but also to air and sea transportation in and out of our country. At the present time, illegal Canadian border crossing are practically nonexistent, so our responsibilities are greatest with respect to the Mexican border and, to a lesser extent, visa violations. In both instances, these responsibilities have not been met; the former because of political interests and the latter because of business interests. As a result, we have sacrificed the protection and security of our citizenry for the benefit of a few special interests.

As mentioned previously, sovereign nations have a responsibility to their neighbors to police their common borders. However, Mexico has been so derelict in this responsibility as to be a co-conspirator in facilitating illegal entry across its borders into the U.S. For example, how did all those children from Central America just show up on our southern border?

Do you remember aaaaaall those trips gorje busch' took to mexico to talk with their pres?
What do you think they talked about?
repubs let the left let in illegals. Biz gets the cheap labour, the right blames it on the left. But when the right gets in office...they dont change anything back...the stupid robots forget and both sides bases are fooled.
People arent swayed by logic, fact and reason, they are moved by the skillful manipulation of words and facts, logic and reason.
How does it feel to be a sucker?

I'll show you tomorrow how work raids went from hundreds a year to almost zero the minute George Bush got into office. And I believe deportations are up under Obama.

Ultimately corporations will say they/we need the immigration. If that's true just make them legal so taxes are paid and wages don't go down.

It was the people who wanted cheap labor that created the illegal problem. Illegal employers. But no one ever talks about them ever

 

[Windship]

Every sovereign nation is defined by its borders, which it has an obligation to defend for the protection and security of its citizens. This obligation also applies to its sovereign neighbors by not allowing illegal entry into their territory.

In the case of the United States, these principles not only apply to our borders with Canada and Mexico, but also to air and sea transportation in and out of our country. At the present time, illegal Canadian border crossing are practically nonexistent, so our responsibilities are greatest with respect to the Mexican border and, to a lesser extent, visa violations. In both instances, these responsibilities have not been met; the former because of political interests and the latter because of business interests. As a result, we have sacrificed the protection and security of our citizenry for the benefit of a few special interests.

As mentioned previously, sovereign nations have a responsibility to their neighbors to police their common borders. However, Mexico has been so derelict in this responsibility as to be a co-conspirator in facilitating illegal entry across its borders into the U.S. For example, how did all those children from Central America just show up on our southern border?

This situation requires much more effective border enforcement by both countries. However, if Mexico refuses do its part, then it should be held financially accountable for the additional expenses the United States is forced to incur to in this regard. When Donald Trump talks about building a wall and making Mexico pay for it, this is exactly what he is referring to.

Lets be honest. The reason we have so many ILLEGAL immigrants is because corporations want cheap labor. The minute we stop letting millions of illegals work here they will start making an argument why we need more mexican and arab immigrants.

Five Reasons Why the U.S. Labor Force Needs Immigrants

1. Despite an unemployment rate of 7.6 percent (March 2013), employers struggle to hire for certain positions with millions of jobs unfilled each month.

• In the U.S., 49 percent of employers find it difficult to fill mission-critical positions—15 percentage points higher than the global average.
• By 2018 more than 230,000 science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) jobs requiring an advanced degree will not be filled even if every U.S.-born STEM grad finds a job.
• Immigrants will be critical to filling future labor gaps, with 76 million baby boomers retiring and only 46 million U.S.-born workers entering the workforce by 2030.

2. Immigrants bring skill sets that are critical for the U.S. economy, especially in projected growth industries.

• Construction is projected to add 1.8 million jobs by 2020. A study of Latino immigrant construction workers found that nearly 60 percent arrived in the U.S. with a deep and sophisticated knowledge of the trade.
• The foreign born represent 25 percent of scientists and engineers in the United States.
• Immigrants, although 13 percent of the U.S. population, make up 28 percent of the in-home health care workforce, with 1 in 5 direct care workers lacking documentation.
• In recent years, immigrants have had higher labor force participation rates than people born in the United States, with 68 percent of immigrants participating in the labor force in 2012 versus 63 percent for the U.S. born.

3. The U.S. is in a global competition to attract and retain human capital.

• The U.S. only issues 15,000 more employment-based green cards than Australia does of its visa equivalent despite having 14 times the population. Caps on immigration force 20,000 U.S.-educated students to leave the U.S. every year.
• The U.S. is competing with countries such as Chile, which offers immigrants $40,000 in equity-free capital and a one-year visa to start a company. The Chilean program has drawn more than 1,600 applications from 70 countries, with U.S.-based applicants leading the way.

4. The U.S. population is aging and the potential of more unfilled jobs and talent shortages may impede economic growth.

• By 2030, the U.S. will need to add 25 million workers to the labor force to sustain current levels of economic growth.
• Without immigrants, the U.S. will not have enough new workers to support retirees. Seventy years ago, there were 150 workers for every 20 seniors; 10 years ago, there were 100 workers per 20 seniors. By 2050, there will be only 56 workers for every 20 seniors.
• Immigrants are vital for maintaining a strong workforce, with more than one-third of U.S. population growth attributed to the arrival of new immigrants.[15] By 2050, 93 percent of the growth of the U.S. working-age population will be accounted for by immigrants and their children.
• Approximately 75 percent of the foreign-born labor force is comprised of workers in the vital 25- to 54-year-old category—10 percentage points higher than that for their U.S.-born counterparts.

5. Immigrants, with their language skills and international linkages, open new, global business and trade opportunities.

• Immigration boosts trade with a 10 percent increase in a country’s number of immigrants increasing the volume of trade by about 1.5 percent.
• Every 100 H1-B visas issued results in 183 jobs created for U.S.-born workers, with every 100 H2-B (less skilled, nonagricultural) visas creating 464 additional jobs.

The only ones who like them being illegal are the illegal employers.

Bullshit.
You dont want honesty and neither do I. I want the facts. Screw your honesty.
Her are the facts...listen up...
Fact 1: Americans wont work for the fraction of the wages employers want to pay or the absence of bennys or the increased hours or the falling safety concerns.
Fact 2: illegals have worked they're way in to all areas of blue collar work.
Fact 3: We had all the skilled workers here already. Jesus christ!!...who in the hell do you think built what we have...wow.

 

[Windship]

[/QUOTE]
I'll show you tomorrow how work raids went from hundreds a year to almost zero the minute George Bush got into office. And I believe deportations are up under Obama.

Ultimately corporations will say they/we need the immigration. If that's true just make them legal so taxes are paid and wages don't go down.

It was the people who wanted cheap labor that created the illegal problem. Illegal employers. But no one ever talks about them ever[/QUOTE]

You drank the kool aid, huh? So did uncle terrie.
I dont care who created the prob and you do not understand the prob. Do you realize how many American Citizens we could put to work with good paying and good benny jobs if we were to go after the illegals? Do you understand? No. We could employ millions....while building a fkn wall with ground sensors in the ground to detect tunneling, razor wire electrified with a lethal dose on top and a platoon of military every 1/8 mile. Problem finis, done, over.

 

[sealybobo]

Every sovereign nation is defined by its borders, which it has an obligation to defend for the protection and security of its citizens. This obligation also applies to its sovereign neighbors by not allowing illegal entry into their territory.

In the case of the United States, these principles not only apply to our borders with Canada and Mexico, but also to air and sea transportation in and out of our country. At the present time, illegal Canadian border crossing are practically nonexistent, so our responsibilities are greatest with respect to the Mexican border and, to a lesser extent, visa violations. In both instances, these responsibilities have not been met; the former because of political interests and the latter because of business interests. As a result, we have sacrificed the protection and security of our citizenry for the benefit of a few special interests.

As mentioned previously, sovereign nations have a responsibility to their neighbors to police their common borders. However, Mexico has been so derelict in this responsibility as to be a co-conspirator in facilitating illegal entry across its borders into the U.S. For example, how did all those children from Central America just show up on our southern border?

This situation requires much more effective border enforcement by both countries. However, if Mexico refuses do its part, then it should be held financially accountable for the additional expenses the United States is forced to incur to in this regard. When Donald Trump talks about building a wall and making Mexico pay for it, this is exactly what he is referring to.

Lets be honest. The reason we have so many ILLEGAL immigrants is because corporations want cheap labor. The minute we stop letting millions of illegals work here they will start making an argument why we need more mexican and arab immigrants.

Five Reasons Why the U.S. Labor Force Needs Immigrants

1. Despite an unemployment rate of 7.6 percent (March 2013), employers struggle to hire for certain positions with millions of jobs unfilled each month.

• In the U.S., 49 percent of employers find it difficult to fill mission-critical positions—15 percentage points higher than the global average.
• By 2018 more than 230,000 science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) jobs requiring an advanced degree will not be filled even if every U.S.-born STEM grad finds a job.
• Immigrants will be critical to filling future labor gaps, with 76 million baby boomers retiring and only 46 million U.S.-born workers entering the workforce by 2030.

2. Immigrants bring skill sets that are critical for the U.S. economy, especially in projected growth industries.

• Construction is projected to add 1.8 million jobs by 2020. A study of Latino immigrant construction workers found that nearly 60 percent arrived in the U.S. with a deep and sophisticated knowledge of the trade.
• The foreign born represent 25 percent of scientists and engineers in the United States.
• Immigrants, although 13 percent of the U.S. population, make up 28 percent of the in-home health care workforce, with 1 in 5 direct care workers lacking documentation.
• In recent years, immigrants have had higher labor force participation rates than people born in the United States, with 68 percent of immigrants participating in the labor force in 2012 versus 63 percent for the U.S. born.

3. The U.S. is in a global competition to attract and retain human capital.

• The U.S. only issues 15,000 more employment-based green cards than Australia does of its visa equivalent despite having 14 times the population. Caps on immigration force 20,000 U.S.-educated students to leave the U.S. every year.
• The U.S. is competing with countries such as Chile, which offers immigrants $40,000 in equity-free capital and a one-year visa to start a company. The Chilean program has drawn more than 1,600 applications from 70 countries, with U.S.-based applicants leading the way.

4. The U.S. population is aging and the potential of more unfilled jobs and talent shortages may impede economic growth.

• By 2030, the U.S. will need to add 25 million workers to the labor force to sustain current levels of economic growth.
• Without immigrants, the U.S. will not have enough new workers to support retirees. Seventy years ago, there were 150 workers for every 20 seniors; 10 years ago, there were 100 workers per 20 seniors. By 2050, there will be only 56 workers for every 20 seniors.
• Immigrants are vital for maintaining a strong workforce, with more than one-third of U.S. population growth attributed to the arrival of new immigrants.[15] By 2050, 93 percent of the growth of the U.S. working-age population will be accounted for by immigrants and their children.
• Approximately 75 percent of the foreign-born labor force is comprised of workers in the vital 25- to 54-year-old category—10 percentage points higher than that for their U.S.-born counterparts.

5. Immigrants, with their language skills and international linkages, open new, global business and trade opportunities.

• Immigration boosts trade with a 10 percent increase in a country’s number of immigrants increasing the volume of trade by about 1.5 percent.
• Every 100 H1-B visas issued results in 183 jobs created for U.S.-born workers, with every 100 H2-B (less skilled, nonagricultural) visas creating 464 additional jobs.

The only ones who like them being illegal are the illegal employers.

Bullshit.
You dont want honesty and neither do I. I want the facts. Screw your honesty.
Her are the facts...listen up...
Fact 1: Americans wont work for the fraction of the wages employers want to pay or the absence of bennys or the increased hours or the falling safety concerns.
Fact 2: illegals have worked they're way in to all areas of blue collar work.
Fact 3: We had all the skilled workers here already.

I agree with all but your last bullet point. We have blue collar unemployment but companies can't find engineers. Those blue collar won't be engineers ever. I think it's called a skills gap.

If we stopped letting in poor unskilled immigrants that will help poor Americans because companies won't be able to find illegal painters anymore. Instead of $300 to paint a room it'll be $400. So what?

 

[Windship]

I have a question for you sealybobo...what happens to a healthy economy when you let millions upon millions of illegals, millions upon millions of H1b visas, send our manufacturing base overseas, while giving huge tax cuts to corporations, illuminate tariffs while prices go higher and higher?

 

[sealybobo]

I'll show you tomorrow how work raids went from hundreds a year to almost zero the minute George Bush got into office. And I believe deportations are up under Obama.

Ultimately corporations will say they/we need the immigration. If that's true just make them legal so taxes are paid and wages don't go down.

It was the people who wanted cheap labor that created the illegal problem. Illegal employers. But no one ever talks about them ever[/QUOTE]

You drank the kool aid, huh? So did uncle terrie.
I dont care who created the prob and you do not understand the prob. Do you realize how many American Citizens we could put to work with good paying and good benny jobs if we were to go after the illegals? Do you understand? No. We could employ millions....while building a fkn wall with ground sensors in the ground to detect tunneling, razor wire electrified with a lethal dose on top and a platoon of military every 1/8 mile. Problem finis, done, over.[/QUOTE]
The minute you stop letting illegal immigrants in you'll start hearing corporations cry they can't find workers and/or that they can't afford to pay the high wages?

So they will lobby the government to start letting in more Mexicans and Arabs legally.

Do you know how many Chinese immigrants come here every year? Do you know how they came up with those numbers? I don't.

So they'll just start accepting more applicants for citizenship.

But I'd rather them be legal and the system transparent

 

[sealybobo]

I have a question for you sealybobo...what happens to a healthy economy when you let millions upon millions of illegals, millions upon millions of H1b visas, send our manufacturing base overseas, while giving huge tax cuts to corporations, illuminate tariffs while prices go higher and higher?

You're preaching to the choir dog

 

[Windship]

.[/QUOTE]

Bullshit.
You dont want honesty and neither do I. I want the facts. Screw your honesty.
Her are the facts...listen up...
Fact 1: Americans wont work for the fraction of the wages employers want to pay or the absence of bennys or the increased hours or the falling safety concerns.
Fact 2: illegals have worked they're way in to all areas of blue collar work.
Fact 3: We had all the skilled workers here already.[/QUOTE]

I agree with all but your last bullet point. We have blue collar unemployment but companies can't find engineers. Those blue collar won't be engineers ever. I think it's called a skills gap.

If we stopped letting in poor unskilled immigrants that will help poor Americans because companies won't be able to find illegal painters anymore. Instead of $300 to paint a room it'll be $400. So what?[/QUOTE]

Where do you get your info...link plz?
I DO pay more...gladly, you see...I CARE about the health of my Home. Yes, Ill pay the extra hundred, gladly. The only reason the prices are lower is because of illegals and the only reason our wages have FALLEN FOR 45 YEARS NOW...is because of the illegals but you do not understand...now,,,,the link please...

 

[Windship]

ok, I misunderstood your intention, sry

 

[Windship]

legal and in the system? Dude, just go burn your house down.

 

[Windship]

You dont understand

 

[Windship]

you have done no research. Just a recording.

 

[Windship]

Let them stay....sigh

 

[Windship]

let me tell ya something sonny...I KNOW engineers and they are in steep and increasing competition with them. The H1B visas holders are driving them out of work and working for 1/3 less and thats after the company makes the American Citizen train the H1B holder.
You are out of touch.

 

[Windship]

Take your emotion driven beliefs and go back to sleep.

 

[Unkotare]

let me tell ya something sonny...I KNOW engineers and they are in steep and increasing competition with them. The H1B visas holders are driving them out of work and working for 1/3 less .....

No