Conservative identification question

[nuhuh]

They were all republicans until that name became an embarrassment, and then they were tea party.....same thing happened. Now they use a wide range of names to identify themselves. The fact is, if you put them all in a sack and shook them up, it would be impossible to separate them into their chosen groups. They are all the same, no matter what they want you to call them.

If be embarrassed to be you. You support baby killing.

"Kill them all and let God sort it out" was a battle cry of right wing haters. I would be ashamed to be a Republican and support killing entire nations.

It was a democrat that nuked Japan.

And saved countless American lives.

 

[nuhuh]

They were all republicans until that name became an embarrassment, and then they were tea party.....same thing happened. Now they use a wide range of names to identify themselves. The fact is, if you put them all in a sack and shook them up, it would be impossible to separate them into their chosen groups. They are all the same, no matter what they want you to call them.

If be embarrassed to be you. You support baby killing.

"Kill them all and let God sort it out" was a battle cry of right wing haters. I would be ashamed to be a Republican and support killing entire nations.

It was a democrat that nuked Japan.

The Dems started Vietnam also.

Wrong. Eisenhower was the first to insert troops.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Somethings never change...they just get worse...

"Republicans approve of the American farmer, but they are willing to help him go broke. They stand four-square for the American home--but not for housing. They are strong for labor--but they are stronger for restricting labor's rights. They favor minimum wage--the smaller the minimum wage the better. They endorse educational opportunity for all--but they won't spend money for teachers or for schools. They approve of social security benefits-so much so that they took them away from almost a million people. They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine--for people who can afford them. They believe in international trade--so much so that they crippled our reciprocal trade program, and killed our International Wheat Agreement. They favor the admission of displaced persons--but only within shameful racial and religious limitations.They consider electrical power a great blessing--but only when the private power companies get their rake-off. They say TVA is wonderful--but we ought never to try it again. They condemn "cruelly high prices"--but fight to the death every effort to bring them down. They think American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it."
President Harry S. Truman - October 13, 1948


"Conservatism, though a necessary element in any stable society, is not a social program; in its paternalistic, nationalistic and power adoring tendencies it is often closer to socialism than true liberalism; and with its traditionalistic, anti-intellectual, and often mystical propensities it will never, except in short periods of disillusionment, appeal to the young and all those others who believe that some changes are desirable if this world is to become a better place."
Friedrich August von Hayek-The Road to Serfdom

"In general, it can probably be said that the conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. He believes that if government is in the hands of decent men, it ought not to be too much restricted by rigid rules. Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles..."
Friedrich August von Hayek-Why I am Not a Conservative

Hayek was defining Relativism in the GOP, OKA: Progressives. We've come sufficiently far down the road to have witnessed the fruits of Progressivism, with regard to the rationalization that such stands upon, in both political parties and we've come to find that it bears the same fruit.

"Conservatives" are those who seek to CONSERVE the principles of the founding and who REJECT the subjective braying of the Left... on BOTH SIDES of The Aisle.

 

[Iceweasel]

Somethings never change...they just get worse...

"Republicans approve of the American farmer, but they are willing to help him go broke. They stand four-square for the American home--but not for housing. They are strong for labor--but they are stronger for restricting labor's rights. They favor minimum wage--the smaller the minimum wage the better. They endorse educational opportunity for all--but they won't spend money for teachers or for schools. They approve of social security benefits-so much so that they took them away from almost a million people. They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine--for people who can afford them. They believe in international trade--so much so that they crippled our reciprocal trade program, and killed our International Wheat Agreement. They favor the admission of displaced persons--but only within shameful racial and religious limitations.They consider electrical power a great blessing--but only when the private power companies get their rake-off. They say TVA is wonderful--but we ought never to try it again. They condemn "cruelly high prices"--but fight to the death every effort to bring them down. They think American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it."
President Harry S. Truman - October 13, 1948


"Conservatism, though a necessary element in any stable society, is not a social program; in its paternalistic, nationalistic and power adoring tendencies it is often closer to socialism than true liberalism; and with its traditionalistic, anti-intellectual, and often mystical propensities it will never, except in short periods of disillusionment, appeal to the young and all those others who believe that some changes are desirable if this world is to become a better place."
Friedrich August von Hayek-The Road to Serfdom

"In general, it can probably be said that the conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. He believes that if government is in the hands of decent men, it ought not to be too much restricted by rigid rules. Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles..."
Friedrich August von Hayek-Why I am Not a Conservative

Again with his stupid quotes since he can't think for himself. His opinion doesn't describe any conservatives I know of, when in reality the leftist demands a dictator eventually as power is concentrated at the top. Conservatives want more freedoms, self autonomy and smaller governments. That means less power not more. Idiots like you and the author you love to quote can't stand anyone getting in the way of government power and rule.

 

[Mac1958]

Just curious. Of the conservatives here:

Who considers themselves a Republican, and who considers themselves a Tea Partier?

The Tea Party is Synonymous with "Republican".

The Progs who remain in the GOP who are NOT Tea Partiers.... are being kicked to the GOP Curb.

The thing to remember here is that one can NOT be a Progressive and BE an American... and the GOP is a Political Party which EXCLUSIVELY serves Americans. Which is to say, the Tea Party represents the assembly of those who recognize, respect, defend and adhere to the Principles that define: America.

Okay, which of the current Republicans running for the nomination would you call Progs?
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Off the top of my head: Bush, Huckabee, Christie... .

Do you think the party has enough votes to win if they and their supporters voted Democrat?
.

 

[nuhuh]

"Kill them all and let God sort it out" was a battle cry of right wing haters. I would be ashamed to be a Republican and support killing entire nations.

Who said that? Oh, it was on a cartoon I bet. The liberal's primary news source.

Actually it is centuries old but was resurrected during the Iraq War. More recently, it was cartoonish buffoons like this one who kept it going.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Part of the problem is the media and the left has made the Tea Party out to be something it isn't.

I'm glad to see you say that. I think that's what's happening: More people would say they're Tea Partiers but don't want to be identified as such because of the way they have been portrayed. No one on this thread so far has said that they are.
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The irony of the "Tea Partiers" complaining about how they've been portrayed in the media is hysterical.

For years all they'd show on the news of the gay pride parades were the small handful of the most eccentric attendees. They'd never show the marching veterans, firemen or policemen just so the RW nutters could scream about those decadent, perverted gays (that caused Katrina, remember?).

And if the "media" portrayal of TPers is so far off the mark, how come so many that espouse their values here at USMB are stereotypical as portrayed in the "media"?

Uhm, I don't recall anyone blaming Katrina on gays... WTF? Are you drinking already? What the hell do gays have to do with hurricanes?

Two very prominent "ministers" blamed Katrina on gays...Pat Robertson and John Hagee along with a host of other lesser known wantabees! Maybe the power was still out in NOLA when you missed all that BS!

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

The irony of the "Tea Partiers" complaining about how they've been portrayed in the media is hysterical.

For years all they'd show on the news of the gay pride parades were the small handful of the most eccentric attendees. They'd never show the marching veterans, firemen or policemen just so the RW nutters could scream about those decadent, perverted gays (that caused Katrina, remember?).

And if the "media" portrayal of TPers is so far off the mark, how come so many that espouse their values here at USMB are stereotypical as portrayed in the "media"?

LOL. This retard thinks gays got negative press and TEA party rallies got positive press.

That's what you have to do to be a liberal, stuff your head WAY up your ass and tell everyone how good it smells.

Actually that wasn't what I was saying at all....

But you proved my point exactly about being stereotypically "Tea Party".

That was precisely what you said...

The coolest part of the text forum "Message Board" is that the conversation is WRITTEN. So these silly-assed claims that the left lives and dies on: "That's not what I said" doesn't work here. Which is why you idiots are fleeing Message Boards... .

25 years ago when I was getting started in this avocation... these boards were WALL TO WALL communists, all full for anti-American piss and vinegar.

Today... not so much.

 

[sakinago]

They were all republicans until that name became an embarrassment, and then they were tea party.....same thing happened. Now they use a wide range of names to identify themselves. The fact is, if you put them all in a sack and shook them up, it would be impossible to separate them into their chosen groups. They are all the same, no matter what they want you to call them.

Ha name one policy you disagree with from dem leadership

 

[LeftofLeft]

I am a Conservative Capitalist who believes in limited Socialism. Not a Republican and DEFINITELY NOT a Democrat.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

"Kill them all and let God sort it out" was a battle cry of right wing haters. I would be ashamed to be a Republican and support killing entire nations.

Who said that? Oh, it was on a cartoon I bet. The liberal's primary news source.

Actually it is centuries old but was resurrected during the Iraq War. More recently, it was cartoonish buffoons like this one who kept it going.

LA ROUCHE!

ROFLMNAO! Now THAT is ADORABLE!

Isn't it a shame that there was no TV in late 18th century France? Because of that we can't go back and grab the video of Robespierre and and Jacobins crying "OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!" as they ran the West's FIRST "Campaign of TERROR", since the Muslims were kicked out by the Catholics.

But hey, THAT's way back and not fair right?

Of course we also can't go the same time that larouche was making that statement and see the Video of the Soviets digging mass graves to conceal the 25 million innocent people THEY murdered... or of Mao's murder of ONE HUNDRED MILLION INNOCENT PEOPLE.

They didn't really document to much of that on video, so it's harder to get. YET, the fact remains that there is no greater human threat to humanity THAN THE IDEOLOGICAL LEFT.

As in terms of people murdered, by other people... there is no close second to the Left. With 150 Million people murdered in a 30 year people, in the mid - late 20th Century ALONE... the closest competitor is DISEASE!

Now there's TONS of video of THAT, but the intellectual means of the Intellectually Less Fortunate is such that they're incapable of putting it together, so the point of the exercise would be moot.

 

[healthmyths]

Just curious. Of the conservatives here:

Who considers themselves a Republican, and who considers themselves a Tea Partier?

Thinking back, I see a lot of posts defending the Tea Party but I don't remember seeing anyone actually say they are Tea Partiers.

Yes, I realize that the Tea Party is not an actual party. But do you think of yourself as one?
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I am a member of my own created party called the "Principle Party".
If a politician believes in most of my fundamental principles and he was a "Marxist" (which would be extremely hard to be i.e. Marxist believing in the principles I believe in)
I would support that "Marxist".
Fundamental principles such as these:
"Do unto others as you would have others do unto you"...i.e. Golden Rule is principle one.
"Teach a person to fish and the person is fed for a life time"... is another principle.
"Do the simple things first and do them right the first time" ... is another principle. NO stupid ass 3,000 page health bills that force what a collection of elitists think
that 310 million americans should do when these elitists have NO idea of what my regional expenses, income etc. is compared to other regions!
"Cookie cutter" approaches in the government don't work! Is another principle.
"The economic pie gets bigger and in doing so we all benefit"... is another principle. This animalistic pack mentality of "hey the 1% have the money let's get 'em"! doesn't work!
"The laws of physics supersede "man's'" laws" principle. Works every time. The reason I don't go 50mph in a school zone is not because it's against man's laws but physics... I can't stop a 4,000 lb car fast enough to miss a little kid darting out from behind a car!

These are a few of the "principle party" principles that I abide by and I'm sure there are more!

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

I am a Conservative Capitalist who believes in limited Socialism. Not a Republican and DEFINITELY NOT a Democrat.

So you believe then, in mixing a little invalid reasoning, into your reasoning...?

Why would that be? "Enquiring minds want to know".

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Just curious. Of the conservatives here:

Who considers themselves a Republican, and who considers themselves a Tea Partier?

Thinking back, I see a lot of posts defending the Tea Party but I don't remember seeing anyone actually say they are Tea Partiers.

Yes, I realize that the Tea Party is not an actual party. But do you think of yourself as one?
.

I am a member of my own created party called the "Principle Party".
If a politician believes in most of my fundamental principles and he was a "Marxist" (which would be extremely hard to be i.e. Marxist believing in the principles I believe in)
I would support that "Marxist".
Fundamental principles such as these:
"Do unto others as you would have others do unto you"...i.e. Golden Rule is principle one.
"Teach a person to fish and the person is fed for a life time"... is another principle.
"Do the simple things first and do them right the first time" ... is another principle. NO stupid ass 3,000 page health bills that force what a collection of elitists think
that 310 million americans should do when these elitists have NO idea of what my regional expenses, income etc. is compared to other regions!
"Cookie cutter" approaches in the government don't work! Is another principle.
"The economic pie gets bigger and in doing so we all benefit"... is another principle. This animalistic pack mentality of "hey the 1% have the money let's get 'em"! doesn't work!
"The laws of physics supersede "man's'" laws" principle. Works every time. The reason I don't go 50mph in a school zone is not because it's against man's laws but physics... I can't stop a 4,000 lb car fast enough to miss a little kid darting out from behind a car!

These are a few of the "principle party" principles that I abide by and I'm sure there are more!

I don't get the "Marxist" element of your point. Marx had no discernible valid principles. Therefore Marxism is unprincipled twaddle. (That's why it doesn't work... ).

So, what is your point there?

 

[LeftofLeft]

I am a Conservative Capitalist who believes in limited Socialism. Not a Republican and DEFINITELY NOT a Democrat.

So you believe then, in mixing a little invalid reasoning, into your reasoning...?

Why would that be? "Enquiring minds want to know".

At the end of the day, Capitalism is needed to pay for Socialism. Reasoning does not get more valid than that.

 

[Nosmo King]

The purge in the GOP continues. Radical Conservatives are taking the Republican Party. These radicals regard anyone who has identified themselves as Republicans but do not favor their radical Conservatism as RINOS and promptly primary them out of office. I'm looking at you, Richard Lugar.

There was a time when Republicans favored common sense solutions, limited government, lower taxes and a need to work with their fellow elected officials to reach a workable solution. Those days are gone now.

Rather, today in order to be considered a true Republican, one must be a homophobe, resent working class families, ignore the plight of minorities and fear and hate immigrants.

The purge continues. Unfortunately, as in any political purge, only the pure and zealous can remain. The sensible and thoughtful must go. That leaves a very narrow band in the political spectrum and that narrow band by definition cannot be electable by the majority of Americans.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Who considers themselves a Republican, and who considers themselves a Tea Partier?"

Moot.

They''re one in the same.

 

[sakinago]

One of the reasons I ask this question is that I'm getting the feeling - tell me if I'm wrong - that some conservatives who would identify as Tea Partiers avoid doing so out loud, and I'm wondering if they feel the term has become some kind of negative.

Yes? No?
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Perhaps yes, but why the need for them to fit inside a label? Isn't diversity of beliefs an admirable quality. Is it not a sign of healthy discussion and debate? I'm sorry, but I fail to see that happening on the left. It's a very rare sight. It was rare for the republicans pre-Obama, now it has become a rarity on the left.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Just curious. Of the conservatives here:

Who considers themselves a Republican, and who considers themselves a Tea Partier?

The Tea Party is Synonymous with "Republican".

The Progs who remain in the GOP who are NOT Tea Partiers.... are being kicked to the GOP Curb.

The thing to remember here is that one can NOT be a Progressive and BE an American... and the GOP is a Political Party which EXCLUSIVELY serves Americans. Which is to say, the Tea Party represents the assembly of those who recognize, respect, defend and adhere to the Principles that define: America.

Okay, which of the current Republicans running for the nomination would you call Progs?
.

Off the top of my head: Bush, Huckabee, Christie... .

Do you think the party has enough votes to win if they and their supporters voted Democrat?
.

Yes... .

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

I am a Conservative Capitalist who believes in limited Socialism. Not a Republican and DEFINITELY NOT a Democrat.

So you believe then, in mixing a little invalid reasoning, into your reasoning...?

Why would that be? "Enquiring minds want to know".

At the end of the day, Capitalism is needed to pay for Socialism. Reasoning does not get more valid than that.

But, the day before ... socialism killed the engine of Capitalism. Because socialism does NOT work, it is a parasitic ideology that must, inevitably, consume the host.