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[Canon Shooter]

I wish I could believe you.

But you're a liar, so...

Says the guy who changed his story three times about why he fired someone.

No I didn't.

Then again, you're a self-admitted scumbag liar...

 

[Canon Shooter]

Nothing riles emotions more than disagreements on politics or religion. I won't allow such disagreements in my place of business...

So...do you openly state "no Muslims need apply" or do you keep that sub rosa?

I have three Muslims who work for me.

What's your point?

 

[Canon Shooter]

I see.

I don't care.

Tell me, what would be the benefit of allowing such discussions on company time?

Not getting sued, mostly.

That suggests that, by not allowing it, I open myself to legal action.

I can assure you, that's definitely not the case...

 

[JoeB131]

No I didn't.

Then again, you're a self-admitted scumbag liar...

Version 1- You fired the guy for larceny.

Version 2- He made promises to vendors that made you look bad.

Version 3- He put dinners with customers on his expense account (which, frankly, has been a pretty normal activity as long as I've been in procurement.)

All of which deflected from the the fact you were more interested in sticking your nose into the wage-slaves lunch time talk than following up on what your field employees were actually doing out there.

 

[Canon Shooter]

No I didn't.

Then again, you're a self-admitted scumbag liar...

Version 1- You fired the guy for larceny.

Version 2- He made promises to vendors that made you look bad.

Version 3- He put dinners with customers on his expense account (which, frankly, has been a pretty normal activity as long as I've been in procurement.)

All of which deflected from the the fact you were more interested in sticking your nose into the wage-slaves lunch time talk than following up on what your field employees were actually doing out there.

Wow, you really are a dumbfuck.

The guy represented himself as an officer of my company. He was not an officer of my company.

He charged expensive dinners, gifts and plane tickets to his company credit card. He had no business doing that, as the person he was treating to these lavish offerings was not his customer.

In the end, he did a lot of damage to the relationship between the two companies. We've gotten back on an even keel, but it took a while.

So, you see, those aren't three different stories, they're all one story you stupid ****.

You know nothing of running, and certainly not of owning, a business of any size. If you did, you would be belching up the ignorant nonsense you do here.

Now, run along, liar...

 

[Jarlaxle]

I see.

I don't care.

Tell me, what would be the benefit of allowing such discussions on company time?

Not getting sued, mostly.

That suggests that, by not allowing it, I open myself to legal action.

I can assure you, that's definitely not the case...

Well...yes, it is. If you have actual devout Muslims working for you, they pray 5x a day. If you do not permit that, you will probably be sued and you will certainly lose.

 

[Canon Shooter]

I see.

I don't care.

Tell me, what would be the benefit of allowing such discussions on company time?

Not getting sued, mostly.

That suggests that, by not allowing it, I open myself to legal action.

I can assure you, that's definitely not the case...

Well...yes, it is. If you have actual devout Muslims working for you, they pray 5x a day. If you do not permit that, you will probably be sued and you will certainly lose.

Well, then I guess they're not devout.

If they are, they can clock out, leave the property and pray...

 

[JoeB131]

Wow, you really are a dumbfuck.

The guy represented himself as an officer of my company. He was not an officer of my company.

He charged expensive dinners, gifts and plane tickets to his company credit card. He had no business doing that, as the person he was treating to these lavish offerings was not his customer.

In the end, he did a lot of damage to the relationship between the two companies. We've gotten back on an even keel, but it took a while.

This is version #4 of the story. Again, sounds like pretty bad leadership on your part. Why did you give him a company credit card if he didn't have any significant authority? How was he dealing with a company that wasn't one of his accounts without anyone noticing? You know, maybe if you spent less time trying to fire people for talking about politics in the lunch room, you might have noticed something amiss.

You know nothing of running, and certainly not of owning, a business of any size. If you did, you would be belching up the ignorant nonsense you do here.

Guy, I dealt with little companies like yours all the time, doing exactly what this poor schlub did... trying to bribe purchasing agents and buyers to throw business his way.

 

[struth]

I see.

I don't care.

Tell me, what would be the benefit of allowing such discussions on company time?

Not getting sued, mostly.

That suggests that, by not allowing it, I open myself to legal action.

I can assure you, that's definitely not the case...

Well...yes, it is. If you have actual devout Muslims working for you, they pray 5x a day. If you do not permit that, you will probably be sued and you will certainly lose.

I didn't see where he said he didn't permit them. Federal law just requires an employer to make for reasonable accomedations....it does not, specifically it does not require paid breaks.

 

[Canon Shooter]

This is version #4 of the story.

Again, proving you're nothing but a lying asshole. I've told the same version each time, so go **** yourself...

Again, sounds like pretty bad leadership on your part.

He was a bad apple. None of my other people did what he did...

Why did you give him a company credit card if he didn't have any significant authority?

All of my sales guys have company credit cards. He's the only one who tried to pull this bullshit...

How was he dealing with a company that wasn't one of his accounts without anyone noticing?

Um, hey dumbass, we did notice. That's how he got caught.

You really are a stupid little simp, aren't you?

You know, maybe if you spent less time trying to fire people for talking about politics in the lunch room, you might have noticed something amiss.

I don't try to fire people for talking politics in the lunchroom.

And, again, he was caught, because we did notice something amiss...

Guy, I dealt with little companies like yours all the time, doing exactly what this poor schlub did... trying to bribe purchasing agents and buyers to throw business his way.

No, you haven't. We know you haven't because you're nothing but a piece of shit, self-admitted liar.

And not that I care to share any details with a lying little **** like you, but he wasn't trying to bribe them to throw business his way.

Just stop pretending you know anything about my business or how I conduct business. My businesses are successful. My employees are happy. They're paid well and I haven't had anyone quit in over five years, and that was a kid who'd been accepted to the Naval Academy. In my industry, I'm one of the guys you want to work for.

Your opinion means complete dick.

Pretending you know anything only makes you look like a complete fool...

 

[Canon Shooter]

I see.

I don't care.

Tell me, what would be the benefit of allowing such discussions on company time?

Not getting sued, mostly.

That suggests that, by not allowing it, I open myself to legal action.

I can assure you, that's definitely not the case...

Well...yes, it is. If you have actual devout Muslims working for you, they pray 5x a day. If you do not permit that, you will probably be sued and you will certainly lose.

I didn't see where he said he didn't permit them. Federal law just requires an employer to make for reasonable accomedations....it does not, specifically it does not require paid breaks.

Exactly.

I would certainly accommodate them if they wished to pray during business hours. I won't pay them to do it, though.

Again, the Muslims who work for me haven't brought it up...

 

[JoeB131]

He was a bad apple. None of my other people did what he did...

And you hired him. What does that say about you? You picked his resume out of hundreds of others, spent less than an hour interviewing him because you are supposedly such a good judge of character. Then you handed him a company credit card and was all surprised when he did stuff a lot of sales reps do.

No, you haven't. We know you haven't because you're nothing but a piece of shit, self-admitted liar.

And not that I care to share any details with a lying little **** like you, but he wasn't trying to bribe them to throw business his way.

Why would you buy someone at a customer dinner if you weren't trying to get business? I mean, did they just look hungry?

Just stop pretending you know anything about my business or how I conduct business. My businesses are successful. My employees are happy. They're paid well and I haven't had anyone quit in over five years, and that was a kid who'd been accepted to the Naval Academy. In my industry, I'm one of the guys you want to work for.

Not on the basis of what you have posted here. It sounds like you run a toxic, fear based work environment.

What I've found is the smaller the company, the shittier the behavior.

Am I hurting your feelings telling you things your employees are terrified to tell you? I Know, I know, I'll stop before you start posting pictures of your dream car again.

 

[struth]

I see.

I don't care.

Tell me, what would be the benefit of allowing such discussions on company time?

Not getting sued, mostly.

That suggests that, by not allowing it, I open myself to legal action.

I can assure you, that's definitely not the case...

Well...yes, it is. If you have actual devout Muslims working for you, they pray 5x a day. If you do not permit that, you will probably be sued and you will certainly lose.

I didn't see where he said he didn't permit them. Federal law just requires an employer to make for reasonable accomedations....it does not, specifically it does not require paid breaks.

Exactly.

I would certainly accommodate them if they wished to pray during business hours. I won't pay them to do it, though.

Again, the Muslims who work for me haven't brought it up...

I happen to know a number of people that practice Islam...some first generation from the ME, a girl I dated and remain friends with, family escaped Afgan when the leftist from Moscow invaded.

Anyway, during the work day, she says her prayers, but says them to herself, quietly, she doesnt bow, and do the "official" stuff...take a minute and nobody would even notice.. Doesn't impact her job, and she feels like she is doing what her faith wants her too.

 

[Canon Shooter]

And you hired him. What does that say about you? You picked his resume out of hundreds of others, spent less than an hour interviewing him because you are supposedly such a good judge of character.

He had a strong resume, and his references were solid; many of them people I've known for years. The guy worked for many of them. They were pretty well shocked to learn of his transgressions...

Then you handed him a company credit card

Because his position required it...

and was all surprised when he did stuff a lot of sales reps do.

He wasn't acting as a sales rep when he was spending my company's money...

Why would you buy someone at a customer dinner if you weren't trying to get business? I mean, did they just look hungry?

Again, I'm not compelled to share the details with you...

Not on the basis of what you have posted here. It sounds like you run a toxic, fear based work environment.

Says the guy who has admitted to approaching business dishonestly.

If nothing else, take solace in the fact that I don't hire self-admitted scumbag liars, so it's unlikely you'll have a parking spot in my lot...

What I've found is the smaller the company, the shittier the behavior.

You're a know-nothing little twit.

You make me laugh...

Am I hurting your feelings telling you things your employees are terrified to tell you? I Know, I know, I'll stop before you start posting pictures of your dream car again.

Your jealousy is palpable.

Get a real job and maybe you can have nice things, too...

 

[Canon Shooter]

I see.

I don't care.

Tell me, what would be the benefit of allowing such discussions on company time?

Not getting sued, mostly.

That suggests that, by not allowing it, I open myself to legal action.

I can assure you, that's definitely not the case...

Well...yes, it is. If you have actual devout Muslims working for you, they pray 5x a day. If you do not permit that, you will probably be sued and you will certainly lose.

I didn't see where he said he didn't permit them. Federal law just requires an employer to make for reasonable accomedations....it does not, specifically it does not require paid breaks.

Exactly.

I would certainly accommodate them if they wished to pray during business hours. I won't pay them to do it, though.

Again, the Muslims who work for me haven't brought it up...

I happen to know a number of people that practice Islam...some first generation from the ME, a girl I dated and remain friends with, family escaped Afgan when the leftist from Moscow invaded.

Anyway, during the work day, she says her prayers, but says them to herself, quietly, she doesnt bow, and do the "official" stuff...take a minute and nobody would even notice.. Doesn't impact her job, and she feels like she is doing what her faith wants her too.

Well, if that's what they're doing, then they do it well...

 

[JusticeHammer]

Jane fonda is a traitorous *****. Kolin kapernic is a spoiled rich crybaby. The vietnam war by the way was a demscum war, lyndon johnson was a doltard.

Sadly, the Vietnam War was one where both parties agreed. Ike sent the first troops there, and Goldwater wanted to turn it into a parking lot. Nixon escalated the war trying to get the Vietnamese to the table.

Nixon pulled us out. Johnson escalated it.

 

[JoeB131]

He had a strong resume, and his references were solid; many of them people I've known for years. The guy worked for many of them. They were pretty well shocked to learn of his transgressions...

Yeah, this story sounds fishier every time you tell it... So someone who was a professional for years, had a good reputation in the industry, misrepresented what his role was, made deals with a company he didn't rep to, spent money buying people dinners and trips... and you were clueless the whole time and couldn't tell from an interview that he wouldn't do this.

He wasn't acting as a sales rep when he was spending my company's money...

Wait, now, he had a company credit card, and he was pretending to be a sales rep (even though he wasn't going to get a commission from it and the guy who was the sales rep would have noticed).

Again, I'm not compelled to share the details with you...

Probably a good call, Version #6 of this story would have even more holes in it. Probably best to quit while you're behind.

If nothing else, take solace in the fact that I don't hire self-admitted scumbag liars, so it's unlikely you'll have a parking spot in my lot...

Point is, you couldn't afford me and I wouldn't waste time even sending a resume to a D-lister like you. If I were in the market and I'm not right now.

 

[JoeB131]

Nixon pulled us out. Johnson escalated it.

Nixon escalated the war by staging a coup in Cambodia and then launching a war into it.

 

[Canon Shooter]

Yeah, this story sounds fishier every time you tell it... So someone who was a professional for years, had a good reputation in the industry, misrepresented what his role was, made deals with a company he didn't rep to, spent money buying people dinners and trips... and you were clueless the whole time and couldn't tell from an interview that he wouldn't do this.

Initially he wrote off the expenses as incurred entertaining his own account. My accounting manager brought the expenses to the attention of our CFO when they seemed to be climbing a bit high, and he brought them to me.

That's how it works.

You've never worked in a real business, though, so you wouldn't understand that...

Wait, now, he had a company credit card, and he was pretending to be a sales rep (even though he wasn't going to get a commission from it and the guy who was the sales rep would have noticed).

No.

Dipshit.

He was a sales rep. He misrepresented himself as an officer in my company (say, as a COO or CFO).

Sales reps aren't officers of companies, you ignorant little turd...

Probably a good call, Version #6 of this story would have even more holes in it. Probably best to quit while you're behind.

There are no holes in the story. The fact that you don't have all the facts doesn't mean the facts don't exist. If you were more important, I might share them all with you...

LOL! *****, I'd buy and sell your sorry ass...

Point is, you couldn't afford me and I wouldn't waste time even sending a resume to a D-lister like you. If I were in the market and I'm not right now.

You don't have a market. You're unhireable, simply because you're an admitted liar and you approach business dishonestly...

My facilities manager made $90K last year. My head product development engineer made close to $140K.

You don't make near those amounts, and you damn well know it...

 

[JoeB131]

Initially he wrote off the expenses as incurred entertaining his own account. My accounting manager brought the expenses to the attention of our CFO when they seemed to be climbing a bit high, and he brought them to me.

That's how it works.

You've never worked in a real business, though, so you wouldn't understand that...

Real business, never would have gotten that far. Frankly, when I had to travel, I had to document everything I did.

He was a sales rep. He misrepresented himself as an officer in my company (say, as a COO or CFO).

Sales reps aren't officers of companies, you ignorant little turd...

Sounds to me like your rinky-dink little company didn't have clear titles or responsibilities... honestly, this sounds more and more fishy.

There are no holes in the story. The fact that you don't have all the facts doesn't mean the facts don't exist. If you were more important, I might share them all with you...

Actually, it sounds as fishy as hell. Seriously, you hired someone who was a crook, he stole a lot of money from you misrepresenting himself to a major customer who you think would KNOW who the officers of your company were before they started lavishing bribes on them.

I was a buyer for years, if someone showed up and said to me, "Hey, I'm the New COO of EvilCo and I'm going to buy you a trip to Hawaii", I'd be a little suspicious. I think I might even make a call to whoever I had been dealing with at your company and said, "Um, what's up with this guy?"


My facilities manager made $90K last year. My head product development engineer made close to $140K.

You don't make near those amounts, and you damn well know it...


Wow. That impresses me even less. In Chicago, facilities managers can make up to 140K a year.

Facilities Manager Salary in Chicago,IL (February, 2025) | Salary.com

How much does a Facilities Manager make? The average annual salary of Facilities Manager in Chicago,IL is $122,649 or $59 per hour, ranging from $93,596 to $154,021 and $45 to $74.

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I doubt you are paying your buyers anything close to what I used to make before I struck out on my own consulting business.