Concealed carry gun owner stops a 3 on 1 beating and robbery...

Yet Australia's gun violence declined dramatically. Go figure, goober.
but it really didn't

their murder rate was already very low historically

Australia’s 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn’t Work | National Review

The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that “the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.”

National Review, goober. Great source.

You can't refute the data so you attack the source

Typical

I absolutely can refute it, Repug goober. From factcheck.org:

Gun Control in Australia, Updated - FactCheck.org

With Australia’s population steadily increasing, the nation’s homicide incident rate has fallen even more than the number of homicides — from 1.6 per 100,000 in 1995-96 to 1 per 100,000 in 2013-2014, according to a government report on crime trends. That was the lowest homicide incident rate at the time in 25 years, as we mentioned earlier.

The number of firearm-related homicides also has dropped substantially since the 1996 gun law was enacted.

National Review is a dishonest rag of a news publication. Only unsophisticated Repug goobers like you take it seriously.

But it was already dropping fast BEFORE the gun bans idiot.

There is no conclusive evidence that the gun ban and th gun ban alone is responsible

Yeah, I guess people in Australia just got a lot happier over the past 25 years and quit committing suicide as much. Of course, not having guns makes it more difficult to commit suicide.

A drop from 1.6 to 1.0 is what you call "statistically significant", my unsophisticated Repug goober friend. You can't prove conclusively that the gun ban is the cause, but it is highly probable that it's the cause.
 
Yet Australia's gun violence declined dramatically. Go figure, goober.
but it really didn't

their murder rate was already very low historically

Australia’s 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn’t Work | National Review

The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that “the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.”

National Review, goober. Great source.

You can't refute the data so you attack the source

Typical

I absolutely can refute it, Repug goober. From factcheck.org:

Gun Control in Australia, Updated - FactCheck.org

With Australia’s population steadily increasing, the nation’s homicide incident rate has fallen even more than the number of homicides — from 1.6 per 100,000 in 1995-96 to 1 per 100,000 in 2013-2014, according to a government report on crime trends. That was the lowest homicide incident rate at the time in 25 years, as we mentioned earlier.

The number of firearm-related homicides also has dropped substantially since the 1996 gun law was enacted.

National Review is a dishonest rag of a news publication. Only unsophisticated Repug goobers like you take it seriously.

But it was already dropping fast BEFORE the gun bans idiot.

There is no conclusive evidence that the gun ban and th gun ban alone is responsible

From factcheck.org:

Gun Control in Australia, Updated - FactCheck.org

For example, we wrote that a 2003 AIC study looked at rates of firearm-related deaths between 1991 and 2001 and found that some of the decline in firearm-related homicides (and suicides, as well) began before the 1996 law was enacted.

On the other hand, a 2006 analysis by scholars at the University of Sydney concluded that gun fatalities decreased more quickly after the gun law passed. “Australia’s 1996 gun law reforms were followed by more than a decade free of fatal mass shootings, and accelerated declines in firearm deaths, particularly suicides,” the authors of that study wrote.

You see, factcheck.org reports the WHOLE story. They don't pick and choose their "evidence" like the dishonest Repug dumb fucks that work at National Review. National Review is a slightly more respectable version of Fox News, but when it comes down to it they are full of shit just like Fox News.
 
but it really didn't

their murder rate was already very low historically

Australia’s 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn’t Work | National Review

The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that “the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.”

National Review, goober. Great source.

You can't refute the data so you attack the source

Typical

I absolutely can refute it, Repug goober. From factcheck.org:

Gun Control in Australia, Updated - FactCheck.org

With Australia’s population steadily increasing, the nation’s homicide incident rate has fallen even more than the number of homicides — from 1.6 per 100,000 in 1995-96 to 1 per 100,000 in 2013-2014, according to a government report on crime trends. That was the lowest homicide incident rate at the time in 25 years, as we mentioned earlier.

The number of firearm-related homicides also has dropped substantially since the 1996 gun law was enacted.

National Review is a dishonest rag of a news publication. Only unsophisticated Repug goobers like you take it seriously.

But it was already dropping fast BEFORE the gun bans idiot.

There is no conclusive evidence that the gun ban and th gun ban alone is responsible

Yeah, I guess people in Australia just got a lot happier over the past 25 years and quit committing suicide as much. Of course, not having guns makes it more difficult to commit suicide.

A drop from 1.6 to 1.0 is what you call "statistically significant", my unsophisticated Repug goober friend. You can't prove conclusively that the gun ban is the cause, but it is highly probable that it's the cause.

Hey MORON

The rates were steadily dropping BEFORE the gun bans how do you explain that? At best you have a correlation because our murders also dropped in that time frame

And FYI I'm not a republican.

I understand that those of limited intellect have to use simplistic labels so as to at least seem like they understand the world so I won't give you too much information lest your tiny brain explode
 
National Review, goober. Great source.

You can't refute the data so you attack the source

Typical

I absolutely can refute it, Repug goober. From factcheck.org:

Gun Control in Australia, Updated - FactCheck.org

With Australia’s population steadily increasing, the nation’s homicide incident rate has fallen even more than the number of homicides — from 1.6 per 100,000 in 1995-96 to 1 per 100,000 in 2013-2014, according to a government report on crime trends. That was the lowest homicide incident rate at the time in 25 years, as we mentioned earlier.

The number of firearm-related homicides also has dropped substantially since the 1996 gun law was enacted.

National Review is a dishonest rag of a news publication. Only unsophisticated Repug goobers like you take it seriously.

But it was already dropping fast BEFORE the gun bans idiot.

There is no conclusive evidence that the gun ban and th gun ban alone is responsible

Yeah, I guess people in Australia just got a lot happier over the past 25 years and quit committing suicide as much. Of course, not having guns makes it more difficult to commit suicide.

A drop from 1.6 to 1.0 is what you call "statistically significant", my unsophisticated Repug goober friend. You can't prove conclusively that the gun ban is the cause, but it is highly probable that it's the cause.

Hey MORON

The rates were steadily dropping BEFORE the gun bans how do you explain that? At best you have a correlation because our murders also dropped in that time frame

And FYI I'm not a republican.

I understand that those of limited intellect have to use simplistic labels so as to at least seem like they understand the world so I won't give you too much information lest your tiny brain explode

The University of Sydney study stated that the gun ban was a strong factor regarding the decrease in gun deaths. And I'm going to believe them before I believe a hopeless unsophisticated Repug dumb ass such as yourself.

What's laughable is that National Review just completely ignored this study, because it doesn't conform to their bullshit Repug belief that gun restrictions are ineffective.

I don't care whether or not you consider yourself a Repug. You show all the signs. You don't think strong gun laws can save lives. You have a third-rate, provincial brain and you don't believe in facts. If you did, you wouldn't use the dishonest National Review as a source. That makes you a Repug in my book.
 
You can't refute the data so you attack the source

Typical

I absolutely can refute it, Repug goober. From factcheck.org:

Gun Control in Australia, Updated - FactCheck.org

With Australia’s population steadily increasing, the nation’s homicide incident rate has fallen even more than the number of homicides — from 1.6 per 100,000 in 1995-96 to 1 per 100,000 in 2013-2014, according to a government report on crime trends. That was the lowest homicide incident rate at the time in 25 years, as we mentioned earlier.

The number of firearm-related homicides also has dropped substantially since the 1996 gun law was enacted.

National Review is a dishonest rag of a news publication. Only unsophisticated Repug goobers like you take it seriously.

But it was already dropping fast BEFORE the gun bans idiot.

There is no conclusive evidence that the gun ban and th gun ban alone is responsible

Yeah, I guess people in Australia just got a lot happier over the past 25 years and quit committing suicide as much. Of course, not having guns makes it more difficult to commit suicide.

A drop from 1.6 to 1.0 is what you call "statistically significant", my unsophisticated Repug goober friend. You can't prove conclusively that the gun ban is the cause, but it is highly probable that it's the cause.

Hey MORON

The rates were steadily dropping BEFORE the gun bans how do you explain that? At best you have a correlation because our murders also dropped in that time frame

And FYI I'm not a republican.

I understand that those of limited intellect have to use simplistic labels so as to at least seem like they understand the world so I won't give you too much information lest your tiny brain explode

The University of Sydney study stated that the gun ban was a strong factor regarding the decrease in gun deaths. And I'm going to believe them before I believe a hopeless unsophisticated Repug dumb ass such as yourself.

What's laughable is that National Review just completely ignored this study, because it doesn't conform to their bullshit Repug belief that gun restrictions are ineffective.

I don't care whether or not you consider yourself a Repug. You show all the signs. You don't think strong gun laws can save lives. You have a third-rate, provincial brain and you don't believe in facts. If you did, you wouldn't use the dishonest National Review as a source. That makes you a Repug in my book.

There is no direct causal link.

All you have is correlation

And no gun law will stop anyone from murdering anyone but they will stop a person from defending himself from a piece of shit criminal
 
Many thanks to the OP for this news.

Personally, I would be too cowardly to intervene like that even if I had a gun.

But it is nice to know that some Americans care enough about other people that they are willing to step in when they see good people being brutalized by such horrible individuals.

What has happened to Chicago (and many other cities) makes one sick to his/her stomach -- IMHO.
 
but it really didn't

their murder rate was already very low historically

Australia’s 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn’t Work | National Review

The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that “the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.”

National Review, goober. Great source.

You can't refute the data so you attack the source

Typical

I absolutely can refute it, Repug goober. From factcheck.org:

Gun Control in Australia, Updated - FactCheck.org

With Australia’s population steadily increasing, the nation’s homicide incident rate has fallen even more than the number of homicides — from 1.6 per 100,000 in 1995-96 to 1 per 100,000 in 2013-2014, according to a government report on crime trends. That was the lowest homicide incident rate at the time in 25 years, as we mentioned earlier.

The number of firearm-related homicides also has dropped substantially since the 1996 gun law was enacted.

National Review is a dishonest rag of a news publication. Only unsophisticated Repug goobers like you take it seriously.

But it was already dropping fast BEFORE the gun bans idiot.

There is no conclusive evidence that the gun ban and th gun ban alone is responsible

Yeah, I guess people in Australia just got a lot happier over the past 25 years and quit committing suicide as much. Of course, not having guns makes it more difficult to commit suicide.

A drop from 1.6 to 1.0 is what you call "statistically significant", my unsophisticated Repug goober friend. You can't prove conclusively that the gun ban is the cause, but it is highly probable that it's the cause.


No.....Japan, Korea and China have extreme gun control....only cops and criminals can have guns there......and their suicide rates are higher than ours.....gun ownership has no bearing on suicide...but thanks for pulling that out of your ass....does that hurt when you do that?

And gun crime in Australia is going up, not down...

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

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Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

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While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

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These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

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Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

  • There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
  • Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
  • The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
  • Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
  • Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts
In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
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The second part of the series....
Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


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'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.

But....military weapons?

And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.
 
but it really didn't

their murder rate was already very low historically

Australia’s 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn’t Work | National Review

The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that “the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.”

National Review, goober. Great source.

You can't refute the data so you attack the source

Typical

I absolutely can refute it, Repug goober. From factcheck.org:

Gun Control in Australia, Updated - FactCheck.org

With Australia’s population steadily increasing, the nation’s homicide incident rate has fallen even more than the number of homicides — from 1.6 per 100,000 in 1995-96 to 1 per 100,000 in 2013-2014, according to a government report on crime trends. That was the lowest homicide incident rate at the time in 25 years, as we mentioned earlier.

The number of firearm-related homicides also has dropped substantially since the 1996 gun law was enacted.

National Review is a dishonest rag of a news publication. Only unsophisticated Repug goobers like you take it seriously.

But it was already dropping fast BEFORE the gun bans idiot.

There is no conclusive evidence that the gun ban and th gun ban alone is responsible

Yeah, I guess people in Australia just got a lot happier over the past 25 years and quit committing suicide as much. Of course, not having guns makes it more difficult to commit suicide.

A drop from 1.6 to 1.0 is what you call "statistically significant", my unsophisticated Repug goober friend. You can't prove conclusively that the gun ban is the cause, but it is highly probable that it's the cause.


More on Australia...it is a lie that Australian gun control worked.....

Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?

Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."

When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.

"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser concededa few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reporteda surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."
 
but it really didn't

their murder rate was already very low historically

Australia’s 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn’t Work | National Review

The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that “the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.”

National Review, goober. Great source.

You can't refute the data so you attack the source

Typical

I absolutely can refute it, Repug goober. From factcheck.org:

Gun Control in Australia, Updated - FactCheck.org

With Australia’s population steadily increasing, the nation’s homicide incident rate has fallen even more than the number of homicides — from 1.6 per 100,000 in 1995-96 to 1 per 100,000 in 2013-2014, according to a government report on crime trends. That was the lowest homicide incident rate at the time in 25 years, as we mentioned earlier.

The number of firearm-related homicides also has dropped substantially since the 1996 gun law was enacted.

National Review is a dishonest rag of a news publication. Only unsophisticated Repug goobers like you take it seriously.

But it was already dropping fast BEFORE the gun bans idiot.

There is no conclusive evidence that the gun ban and th gun ban alone is responsible

From factcheck.org:

Gun Control in Australia, Updated - FactCheck.org

For example, we wrote that a 2003 AIC study looked at rates of firearm-related deaths between 1991 and 2001 and found that some of the decline in firearm-related homicides (and suicides, as well) began before the 1996 law was enacted.

On the other hand, a 2006 analysis by scholars at the University of Sydney concluded that gun fatalities decreased more quickly after the gun law passed. “Australia’s 1996 gun law reforms were followed by more than a decade free of fatal mass shootings, and accelerated declines in firearm deaths, particularly suicides,” the authors of that study wrote.

You see, factcheck.org reports the WHOLE story. They don't pick and choose their "evidence" like the dishonest Repug dumb fucks that work at National Review. National Review is a slightly more respectable version of Fox News, but when it comes down to it they are full of shit just like Fox News.


They hide the truth by only looking at murder.......gun crime in Australia is going up.......their criminals aren't committing murder as often.......and that can change as their culture changes.....

Hey genius......can you tell us which Australian gun confiscation or gun laws stopped these public shootings from turning into mass public shootings?

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


  • 25 January 1996 – Hillcrest murders – Peter May shot and killed his three children, his estranged wife and her parents in the Brisbane suburb of Hillcrest before killing himself.[54]
  • 16 August 1998 – Victorian police officers Gary Silk and Rodney Miller were shot dead in an ambush by Bendali Debs and Jason Joseph Roberts in the Moorabbin Police murders.
  • 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.
  • 13 March 2000 – Millewa State Forest Murders – Barbara and Stephen Brooks and Stacie Willoughby were found dead, all three having been shot execution style and left in the forest.[60][61]
  • 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.
    • 14 October 2002 – Dr. Margret Tobin, the South Australian head of Mental Health Services, was shot dead by Jean Eric Gassy as she walked out of a lift in her office building.
    • 21 October 2002 – Monash University shootingHuan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
    • 25 October 2003 – Greenacre double murder – A man and a woman are shot dead in a house in the suburb of Greenacre, Sydney which was the result of a feud between two Middle Eastern crime families, 24-year-old Ziad Abdulrazak was shot 10 times in the chest and head and 22-year-old Mervat Hamka was shot twice in the neck while she slept in her bedroom, up to 100 shots were fired into the house from four men who were later arrested and convicted of the murders.
    • 26 July 2004 – Security guard Karen Brown shot dead armed robber William Aquilina in a Sydney carpark after he violently bashed her and stole the hotel's takings. Brown was charged with murder but acquitted on the grounds of self-defence.[66][67]
  • 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]
  • 10 April 2010 – Rajesh Osborne shot and killed his three children, 12 year-old Asia, 10-year-old Jarius and 7-year-old Grace before killing himself in Roxburgh, Victoria.[citation needed]
  • 29 January 2012 – Giovanni Focarelli, son of Comancheros gang member Vincenzo Focarelli, was shot dead whilst Vincenzo survived the fourth attempt on his life.[79]
  • 28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]
  • 23 May 2012 – Christopher 'Badness' Binse, a career criminal well known to police, was arrested after a 44-hour siege at an East Keilor home in Melbourne's north west. During the siege, Binse fired several shots at police and refused to co-operate with negotiators; eventually tear gas had to be used to force him out of the house, at which point he refused to put down his weapon and was then sprayed with a volley of non-lethal bullets.[citation needed]
  • 15 December 2012 – Aaron Carlino murdered drug dealer Stephen Cookson in his East Perth home by shooting him twice in the head and then he cut up and dismembered his body. He buried his arms legs and torso in the backyard of his house and he wrapped his head in a plastic bag and dumped it on Rottnest Island. The head of Cookson was later found washed up on Rottnest Island by an 11-year-old girl. Carlino was convicted of the murder and was sentenced to life in prison.[citation needed]
  • 8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege – Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]
  • 29 July 2013 – Two bikie gang associates, Vasko Boskovski and Bassil Hijazi were shot dead in two separate shooting incidents minutes apart in South West Sydney. The previous week Bassil Hijazi had survived a previous attempt against his life after he was shot inside his car.[citation needed]
  • 9 September 2014 – Lockhart massacre – Geoff Hunt shot and killed his wife, Kim, his 10-year-old son Fletcher, and his daughters Mia, eight and Phoebe, six before killing himself on a farm in Lockhart in the Riverina district near Wagga Wagga New South Wales. The body of Geoff Hunt and a firearm are later found in a dam on the farm by police divers and a suicide note written by Geoff Hunt is also found inside the house on the farm.[citation needed]
  • 22 October 2014 – Wedderburn shootings – Ian Jamieson shot dead Peter Lockhart, Peter's wife Mary and Mary's son Greg Holmes on two farm properties in Wedderburn, Victoria over a property dispute. Jamieson surrendered to police after a three-and-a-half hour siege.[citation needed]
  • 7 November 2014 – Jordy Brook carjacked a Channel 7 news cameraman at gun point during a crime spree on the Sunshine Coast, Queensland. He was later captured and arrested by police after luring police on a high speed chase and crashing the car.[citation needed]
  • 12 November 2014 – Jamie Edwards and Joelene Joyce a married couple who were drug dealers are found shot dead in a car on a highway in the town of Moama, New South Wales.[86]

  • 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]
  • 27 June 2015 – Hermidale triple murder – the bodies of three people, two men and a woman are found shot dead on a property in a rural farming community in the town of Hermidale west of Nyngan, the bodies of 28-year-old Jacob Cumberland his father 59-year-old Stephen Cumberland and a 36-year-old woman were found with gun shot wounds, the body of Jacob Cumberland was found on the drive way of the property, the body of the 36-year-old woman was found in the backyard of the property and the body of Stephen Cumberland was found in a burnt out caravan on the property. 61-year-old Allan O'Connor is later arrested and charged with the murders.
  • 10 September 2015 – A 49-year-old woman is shot dead in a Mc Donald's restaurant in Gold Coast by her 57-year-old ex partner, who then turned the gun on himself afterwards and shot himself dead.
  • 2 October 2015 - 2015 Parramatta shooting On 2 October 2015, Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, a 15-year-old boy, shot and killed Curtis Cheng, an unarmed police civilian finance worker, outside the New South Wales Police Force headquarters in Parramatta, Australia. Jabar was subsequently shot and killed by special constables who were protecting the police station.
 
You can't refute the data so you attack the source

Typical

I absolutely can refute it, Repug goober. From factcheck.org:

Gun Control in Australia, Updated - FactCheck.org

With Australia’s population steadily increasing, the nation’s homicide incident rate has fallen even more than the number of homicides — from 1.6 per 100,000 in 1995-96 to 1 per 100,000 in 2013-2014, according to a government report on crime trends. That was the lowest homicide incident rate at the time in 25 years, as we mentioned earlier.

The number of firearm-related homicides also has dropped substantially since the 1996 gun law was enacted.

National Review is a dishonest rag of a news publication. Only unsophisticated Repug goobers like you take it seriously.

But it was already dropping fast BEFORE the gun bans idiot.

There is no conclusive evidence that the gun ban and th gun ban alone is responsible

Yeah, I guess people in Australia just got a lot happier over the past 25 years and quit committing suicide as much. Of course, not having guns makes it more difficult to commit suicide.

A drop from 1.6 to 1.0 is what you call "statistically significant", my unsophisticated Repug goober friend. You can't prove conclusively that the gun ban is the cause, but it is highly probable that it's the cause.

Hey MORON

The rates were steadily dropping BEFORE the gun bans how do you explain that? At best you have a correlation because our murders also dropped in that time frame

And FYI I'm not a republican.

I understand that those of limited intellect have to use simplistic labels so as to at least seem like they understand the world so I won't give you too much information lest your tiny brain explode

The University of Sydney study stated that the gun ban was a strong factor regarding the decrease in gun deaths. And I'm going to believe them before I believe a hopeless unsophisticated Repug dumb ass such as yourself.

What's laughable is that National Review just completely ignored this study, because it doesn't conform to their bullshit Repug belief that gun restrictions are ineffective.

I don't care whether or not you consider yourself a Repug. You show all the signs. You don't think strong gun laws can save lives. You have a third-rate, provincial brain and you don't believe in facts. If you did, you wouldn't use the dishonest National Review as a source. That makes you a Repug in my book.


Again......which Australian gun law stops a criminal with a gun from using that gun to murder people.....if gun crime is up in Australia, which it is.....then gun control didn't stop the criminal from committing murder with the gun....

Australia's hidden gun problem: the worst suburbs for gun crime | The New Daily

Melbourne’s northern and western suburbs are hotspots for firearms offenders and Sydney’s west has its problems too, according to previously unpublished data.

The Melbourne municipality of Hume, which takes in the suburbs of Broadmeadows, Gladstone Park and Jacana, has more firearms offenders than any other location in Australia’s two biggest cities, according to new police statistics.

And police blame Middle Eastern gangs for the latest unwelcome accolade for the hardscrabble area.

Part 1.....

Spike in handgun crimes reveals nation’s secret problem | The New Daily

Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country’s underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade.

Previously unseen police statistics show that the number of pistol-related offences doubled in Victoria and rose by 300 per cent in New South Wales. At least two other states also saw a massive jump in firearms-related offences during the same period.



An investigation by The New Daily unearthed previously unpublished data for firearms offences collected from police and crime statistics agencies in four states – Victoria, NSW, South Australia and Tasmania.

The statistics detail the types of firearms offences police have pursued in the courts in the past decade and show some concerning findings, including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period.



Taken together, the data suggests that despite our tough anti-gun laws, thousands of weapons are either being stolen or entering the country illegally.

Associate Professor Philip Alpers, one of Australia’s leading firearms researchers and a director of the Centre for Armed Violence Reduction at the University of Sydney, said the national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns.

“The ban on semi-automatics created demand by criminals for other types of guns,” he said, adding: “The criminal’s gun of choice today is the semi-automatic pistol.”



Our investigation found:

NSW: in 2014-15, there were 3463 firearms charges, up 83 per cent on 2005-06

• Victoria: in 2014-15, there were 3645 firearms-related charges, up 85 per cent on 2005-06

• SA: in 2014, charges for possession and trafficking of guns are up 49 per cent on 2010-11


• Tasmania: in 2014, charges for unlawful gun possession were up 32 per cent on 2005-06


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Although The New Daily has not been able to obtain data for Queensland and WA, the NSW statistics strongly suggest that the 12 months to the end of June 2011 was a turning point in the policing of Australia’s black market for firearms and ammunition.

In that year the charge count soared by almost 30 per cent in NSW, partly driven by a 61 per cent surge in charges for unauthorised possession of handguns. In the following year, the Victorian charge count also soared on the back of a 76 per cent blowout in ammunition-related charges.
 
National Review, goober. Great source.

You can't refute the data so you attack the source

Typical

I absolutely can refute it, Repug goober. From factcheck.org:

Gun Control in Australia, Updated - FactCheck.org

With Australia’s population steadily increasing, the nation’s homicide incident rate has fallen even more than the number of homicides — from 1.6 per 100,000 in 1995-96 to 1 per 100,000 in 2013-2014, according to a government report on crime trends. That was the lowest homicide incident rate at the time in 25 years, as we mentioned earlier.

The number of firearm-related homicides also has dropped substantially since the 1996 gun law was enacted.

National Review is a dishonest rag of a news publication. Only unsophisticated Repug goobers like you take it seriously.

But it was already dropping fast BEFORE the gun bans idiot.

There is no conclusive evidence that the gun ban and th gun ban alone is responsible

Yeah, I guess people in Australia just got a lot happier over the past 25 years and quit committing suicide as much. Of course, not having guns makes it more difficult to commit suicide.

A drop from 1.6 to 1.0 is what you call "statistically significant", my unsophisticated Repug goober friend. You can't prove conclusively that the gun ban is the cause, but it is highly probable that it's the cause.


More on Australia...it is a lie that Australian gun control worked.....

Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?

Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."

When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.

"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser concededa few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reporteda surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."


Reason....another Repug/libertarian bullshit news organization.

This is why all of your beliefs about gun control are fucked-up....your sources of information are fucked-up. They tell you what you want to believe and you gladly eat it all up.
 
National Review, goober. Great source.

You can't refute the data so you attack the source

Typical

I absolutely can refute it, Repug goober. From factcheck.org:

Gun Control in Australia, Updated - FactCheck.org

With Australia’s population steadily increasing, the nation’s homicide incident rate has fallen even more than the number of homicides — from 1.6 per 100,000 in 1995-96 to 1 per 100,000 in 2013-2014, according to a government report on crime trends. That was the lowest homicide incident rate at the time in 25 years, as we mentioned earlier.

The number of firearm-related homicides also has dropped substantially since the 1996 gun law was enacted.

National Review is a dishonest rag of a news publication. Only unsophisticated Repug goobers like you take it seriously.

But it was already dropping fast BEFORE the gun bans idiot.

There is no conclusive evidence that the gun ban and th gun ban alone is responsible

From factcheck.org:

Gun Control in Australia, Updated - FactCheck.org

For example, we wrote that a 2003 AIC study looked at rates of firearm-related deaths between 1991 and 2001 and found that some of the decline in firearm-related homicides (and suicides, as well) began before the 1996 law was enacted.

On the other hand, a 2006 analysis by scholars at the University of Sydney concluded that gun fatalities decreased more quickly after the gun law passed. “Australia’s 1996 gun law reforms were followed by more than a decade free of fatal mass shootings, and accelerated declines in firearm deaths, particularly suicides,” the authors of that study wrote.

You see, factcheck.org reports the WHOLE story. They don't pick and choose their "evidence" like the dishonest Repug dumb fucks that work at National Review. National Review is a slightly more respectable version of Fox News, but when it comes down to it they are full of shit just like Fox News.


They hide the truth by only looking at murder.......gun crime in Australia is going up.......their criminals aren't committing murder as often.......and that can change as their culture changes.....

Hey genius......can you tell us which Australian gun confiscation or gun laws stopped these public shootings from turning into mass public shootings?

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


  • 25 January 1996 – Hillcrest murders – Peter May shot and killed his three children, his estranged wife and her parents in the Brisbane suburb of Hillcrest before killing himself.[54]
  • 16 August 1998 – Victorian police officers Gary Silk and Rodney Miller were shot dead in an ambush by Bendali Debs and Jason Joseph Roberts in the Moorabbin Police murders.
  • 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.
  • 13 March 2000 – Millewa State Forest Murders – Barbara and Stephen Brooks and Stacie Willoughby were found dead, all three having been shot execution style and left in the forest.[60][61]
  • 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.
    • 14 October 2002 – Dr. Margret Tobin, the South Australian head of Mental Health Services, was shot dead by Jean Eric Gassy as she walked out of a lift in her office building.
    • 21 October 2002 – Monash University shootingHuan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
    • 25 October 2003 – Greenacre double murder – A man and a woman are shot dead in a house in the suburb of Greenacre, Sydney which was the result of a feud between two Middle Eastern crime families, 24-year-old Ziad Abdulrazak was shot 10 times in the chest and head and 22-year-old Mervat Hamka was shot twice in the neck while she slept in her bedroom, up to 100 shots were fired into the house from four men who were later arrested and convicted of the murders.
    • 26 July 2004 – Security guard Karen Brown shot dead armed robber William Aquilina in a Sydney carpark after he violently bashed her and stole the hotel's takings. Brown was charged with murder but acquitted on the grounds of self-defence.[66][67]
  • 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]
  • 10 April 2010 – Rajesh Osborne shot and killed his three children, 12 year-old Asia, 10-year-old Jarius and 7-year-old Grace before killing himself in Roxburgh, Victoria.[citation needed]
  • 29 January 2012 – Giovanni Focarelli, son of Comancheros gang member Vincenzo Focarelli, was shot dead whilst Vincenzo survived the fourth attempt on his life.[79]
  • 28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]
  • 23 May 2012 – Christopher 'Badness' Binse, a career criminal well known to police, was arrested after a 44-hour siege at an East Keilor home in Melbourne's north west. During the siege, Binse fired several shots at police and refused to co-operate with negotiators; eventually tear gas had to be used to force him out of the house, at which point he refused to put down his weapon and was then sprayed with a volley of non-lethal bullets.[citation needed]
  • 15 December 2012 – Aaron Carlino murdered drug dealer Stephen Cookson in his East Perth home by shooting him twice in the head and then he cut up and dismembered his body. He buried his arms legs and torso in the backyard of his house and he wrapped his head in a plastic bag and dumped it on Rottnest Island. The head of Cookson was later found washed up on Rottnest Island by an 11-year-old girl. Carlino was convicted of the murder and was sentenced to life in prison.[citation needed]
  • 8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege – Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]
  • 29 July 2013 – Two bikie gang associates, Vasko Boskovski and Bassil Hijazi were shot dead in two separate shooting incidents minutes apart in South West Sydney. The previous week Bassil Hijazi had survived a previous attempt against his life after he was shot inside his car.[citation needed]
  • 9 September 2014 – Lockhart massacre – Geoff Hunt shot and killed his wife, Kim, his 10-year-old son Fletcher, and his daughters Mia, eight and Phoebe, six before killing himself on a farm in Lockhart in the Riverina district near Wagga Wagga New South Wales. The body of Geoff Hunt and a firearm are later found in a dam on the farm by police divers and a suicide note written by Geoff Hunt is also found inside the house on the farm.[citation needed]
  • 22 October 2014 – Wedderburn shootings – Ian Jamieson shot dead Peter Lockhart, Peter's wife Mary and Mary's son Greg Holmes on two farm properties in Wedderburn, Victoria over a property dispute. Jamieson surrendered to police after a three-and-a-half hour siege.[citation needed]
  • 7 November 2014 – Jordy Brook carjacked a Channel 7 news cameraman at gun point during a crime spree on the Sunshine Coast, Queensland. He was later captured and arrested by police after luring police on a high speed chase and crashing the car.[citation needed]
  • 12 November 2014 – Jamie Edwards and Joelene Joyce a married couple who were drug dealers are found shot dead in a car on a highway in the town of Moama, New South Wales.[86]
  • 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]
  • 27 June 2015 – Hermidale triple murder – the bodies of three people, two men and a woman are found shot dead on a property in a rural farming community in the town of Hermidale west of Nyngan, the bodies of 28-year-old Jacob Cumberland his father 59-year-old Stephen Cumberland and a 36-year-old woman were found with gun shot wounds, the body of Jacob Cumberland was found on the drive way of the property, the body of the 36-year-old woman was found in the backyard of the property and the body of Stephen Cumberland was found in a burnt out caravan on the property. 61-year-old Allan O'Connor is later arrested and charged with the murders.
  • 10 September 2015 – A 49-year-old woman is shot dead in a Mc Donald's restaurant in Gold Coast by her 57-year-old ex partner, who then turned the gun on himself afterwards and shot himself dead.
  • 2 October 2015 - 2015 Parramatta shooting On 2 October 2015, Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, a 15-year-old boy, shot and killed Curtis Cheng, an unarmed police civilian finance worker, outside the New South Wales Police Force headquarters in Parramatta, Australia. Jabar was subsequently shot and killed by special constables who were protecting the police station.

Is there a point behind this, Repug goober? No one ever said a gun ban would eliminate all gun violence.

Actually, this supports my point that gun bans do work. You posted a laundry list of gun violence incidents in Australia over the past 20 years, which isn't very much. The U.S. has much more gun violence in ONE YEAR than this list that you've posted.
 

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