and the policy from trump wasn't to simply separate any and all either was it? only those who are being arrested because they continue to come through illegally time and time and time again. now when arrested, should we arrest the kids too? saying trump simply separated families for giggles and shits isn't exactly an honest approach to what he was doing was it? if a family in montana gets busted for selling drugs and they have (2) kids; parents are going to jail. do we send the kids too so we don't break up the family?
you're not being "Honest" here yet you expect me to treat these statements as if they are. they are EMOTIONAL. i get that. i understand that. i get you hate trump. but that doesn't make this action wrong.
tell me then, what do you do when you arrest someone for continued actions that break our laws and satisfy the requirements of treating people who do this and keep the families together. stop bitching at trump and tell me what you would do? simply not arrest them and let them in the country? now that doesn't satisfy punishing people who break out laws, does it? simply inviting them into the country? what do you do here, coyote?
as for dishonest "right wing" claims - i have NEVER seen you get all upset about "dishonest left wing claims".
like trump putting kids in cages and showing pictures of it - yet that was from obama's time. where was your rage?
like having to photoshop a kid out because they couldn't find an example to keep it honest. i believe at the time you called it "representative photography" or some such. no - it was a bullshit lie and a photoshopped picture to create the illusion of their claim. this "general photo" crap for named events needs to stop. it's bullshit.
like AOC crying in front of a fence with no one on the other side.
putting a small fence in front of a child and taking the pic to make him look like he's in cages
the "left wing" does dishonest shit by the hour and i have yet to see you equally full of rage. you only seem to be upset when trump does something and have excuses when obama did it too.
so - my conclusion is you're mad at the person, not the activities. any activity you can make fit your hate.
My conclusion is this, and I will keep it short.
There are things Trump has done that are truly indefensible and to see people continually attempting to defend, create false equivalencies or deflect does seriously piss me off.
Why can’t you look at this one issue without doing that? Without deflecting to “
but the left dies dishonest shit by the hour”? This isn’t dishonest shit. This is WRONG, and for God’s sakes, what has happened to our sense of right and wrong in this country?
Let’s seriously,
honestly and without partisan bias look at these arguments, because I am being 100% honest when it comes to my view on this policy.
1. “
and the policy from trump wasn't to simply separate any and all either was it?”
Yes, it was...from the moment the policy was conceived
that was the purpose.
Attorney General
Jeff Sessions said the U.S. will take a stricter stance on illegal crossings at the
Mexico border by separating parents from children, rather than keeping them together in detention centers.
The new policy is being implemented with the goal of a 100% prosecution rate for all that enter the U.S. illegally, officials said. Charged adults will be sent directly to federal court. Children in turn will be sent to the Department of Health and Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement, which works with shelters or relatives in the U.S.
This policy officially ran from April to June 2018, but continued unofficially until October 2019.
Facts:
More than 5,400 children were separated from their families at the border (at final count, after the administration lied about the numbers several times).
There was no provision or plan in place to reunite parents with their children. This, in my view is reprehensible.
Parents were promised deportation WITH their children if they signed over their rights to seek asylum. This did. not happen. Many were deported without their children, who remained behind in US detention.
The government response was it wasn't their responsibility. Private entities have been seeking the parents and attempting to reunify them, but when you are talking remote villages in the Guatemalan mountains, it's a monumental task.
As of now, 3 years later, 150 children (who have not waived reunification rights) remain unreunited with their families. Of that number: 50 have parents who were deported, 70 have parents still in the US. Of the first group - 5 have parents who have not been found.
Now - with what you said:
1. if a family in montana gets busted for selling drugs and they have (2) kids; parents are going to jail. do we send the kids too so we don't break up the family?
That's a common response, but is it comparable? First off - while crossing the border illegally is a crime, seeking asylum is NOT. It's a legal right under our laws, and it makes no difference how they enter the country (there is nothing in the law that makes that distinction). Secondly - false moral equivalency (one of many in these arguments) - is this really comparable to selling drugs, or for that matter murder or robbery etc? Lastly - courts often consider family situations during the pre-trial period. Someone convicted of a minor drug charge who is the main caretaker of a child or dependent adult, is often granted some leniency prior to their court hearing. There is no automatic "zero tolerance" separation policy applied, it's taken in a case by case basis.
2. (dishonest leftwing claims) like trump putting kids in cages and showing pictures of it - yet that was from obama's time. where was your rage?
Actually - I did condemn it, it was a
very dishonest attempt by the media who used a picture taken from when we had the huge influx of unaccompanied minors. I *think* you are trying to also make that situation comparable to the one under Trump. Under Obama, yes - kids were temporarily put into "cages" - these kids were unaccompanied minors, and the law was upheld - they were kept there less than 72 hours I believe. That has not been the case under the Trump administration who, in fact, has fought that court requirement for detention of children.
The question I have for you though is this: while these situations you mention are wrong,
are they truly morally equivalent to what I outlined above? Answer honestly.
There are valid criticisms that are not just "emotional meltdowns over Trump" - and, as in the OP of this thread - the lack of good independent oversight for a bill giving out trillions of dollars is a HUGE deal, and it is a valid criticism and
it is one area where the Democrats were dead on in insisting for.
www.npr.org
you mean the op sounds a lot like most of what you guys post about Biden?
