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Communist is the worst idea ever invented and yet it is believed in by millions

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Why do Progressives never have a bad word to say about Communism or mankind's most prolific mass murders, all Communists?

Because communism has never killed anyone.
Stalin was not a communist, but a capitalist bank robber, who infiltrated the Communists, Socialists, and Anarchists, killed them all, took over, and implemented state capitalism instead.

Look at the characteristics. Communism is collaborative, cooperative, communal, and the way humans normally treat each other in small social groups like families, clubs, tribes, etc.
Those who think communism implies a large centralized state, simply do not know anything about communism.
And what Stalin implemented was not at all collaborative, cooperative, communal, or voluntary.
It was forced, state, capitalism, with purely a profit motive for the ruling elite.
Communism has killed un toldf tens of millions.

Stalin was a communist. He was not a capitalist,

Communism is totalitarian and never cooperative or communial or cllobaorative,

It is you who grapss nothing about communism and is ignorant of it.
 

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The expansion of Communism is no longer the biggest global threat to democracy. Now, it is right wing, fascist authoritarianism.
Correct.

Conservatives, of course, will continue to attempt to advance the lie and myth that ‘communism’ is ‘spreading’ and some sort of a ‘threat’ – succeeding only in exposing their ignorance and stupidity.
Ot is not a lie or myth it is fact and proven. Nor is it right wing to acknowledge that fact.
 

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The fall of the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc countries did not spell the end of Communism. It clings on in Cuba, North Vietnam and in Venezuela.

However, the true threat comes from within the United States.

Communists are recruited in college or university through front groups that pretend to be concerned with other issues. The two most prominent Communist front group today is Black Lives Matter and Antifa.

However, very few Communists will admit to being Communists. One of the first thing a new Communist is taught is to lie and always deny being a Communist.

In the United States, Communists have infiltrated and now control a large percentage of our institutions. The Communists call this the "Long March Through the Institutions."

Communists take advantage of the fact that most Americans do not concern themselves that much with political issues, but devote themselves to career and family. Communists will always put Communism above all else, and will devote more time to their cause than anyone else will devote to any other cause.

The stolen election of 2020 was a Communist takeover. For the first time in American history, we do not have a democratically elected government. We are ruled by Communists who will do whatever it takes to ensure that a fair election is never again held in the United States.

Well, Communism is Communism, but there's never been a country that has had Communism. Only countries SUPPOSEDLY striving for Communism.

China isn't even striving for it.

One thing about Communism is a lack of a strong leader. The people are in it together. Which of the countries like Cuba, the USSR, China etc have such a thing? None.
Communism is not a thing it is an ideology communist nations ARE by definition communist just for striving toward it.

This is the common mistake apologists deliberately cling to when ecusing communism

Perhaps you're right.

Problem is, how can you strive towards something when the very nature of what you are goes against what you're striving for.

China, for example, is moving AWAY from socialism (it's more complex than that right now, but anyway), the leadership isn't going to give up power any time soon, the people are becoming more selfish, more capitalist every year.

How's that "striving towards" communism?

Same with the USSR, Cuba and others.
 

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Why do Progressives never have a bad word to say about Communism or mankind's most prolific mass murders, all Communists?

Because communism has never killed anyone.
Stalin was not a communist, but a capitalist bank robber, who infiltrated the Communists, Socialists, and Anarchists, killed them all, took over, and implemented state capitalism instead.

Look at the characteristics. Communism is collaborative, cooperative, communal, and the way humans normally treat each other in small social groups like families, clubs, tribes, etc.
Those who think communism implies a large centralized state, simply do not know anything about communism.
And what Stalin implemented was not at all collaborative, cooperative, communal, or voluntary.
It was forced, state, capitalism, with purely a profit motive for the ruling elite.
Communism has killed un toldf tens of millions.

Stalin was a communist. He was not a capitalist,

Communism is totalitarian and never cooperative or communial or cllobaorative,

It is you who grapss nothing about communism and is ignorant of it.

Stalin wasn't really a Communist. Do you think Stalin gave a damn about Communism at all? What did Stalin do that was either Communist or pushing for Communism?
 

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Stalin was a communist. He was not a capitalist,

What's indeed not a fact but an interesting question. What is the role of party bigwigs in a "part"-y which controls everyone and everything and which is totalitarian under control of only one Trump? How fits this with any theory at all?

The basic idea of communism "property is theft" - better to say "property is not self-made" - is for sure not really wrong in case of some few hundred families in the world. But this some few hundred families own more than 90% of everything.

I fear whether someone likes this or not: We will need a new system of economy in the world. 100-150 years ago most people were farmers and were able to produce everything - with hard work - what they needed. In the world today it is impossible to survive without money. And it becomes more and more diffcult not to become a slave of others and to seed an own money tree, so no one has to die on hunger, because he is able to buy food.
 
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The fall of the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc countries did not spell the end of Communism. It clings on in Cuba, North Vietnam and in Venezuela.

However, the true threat comes from within the United States.

Communists are recruited in college or university through front groups that pretend to be concerned with other issues. The two most prominent Communist front group today is Black Lives Matter and Antifa.

However, very few Communists will admit to being Communists. One of the first thing a new Communist is taught is to lie and always deny being a Communist.

In the United States, Communists have infiltrated and now control a large percentage of our institutions. The Communists call this the "Long March Through the Institutions."

Communists take advantage of the fact that most Americans do not concern themselves that much with political issues, but devote themselves to career and family. Communists will always put Communism above all else, and will devote more time to their cause than anyone else will devote to any other cause.

The stolen election of 2020 was a Communist takeover. For the first time in American history, we do not have a democratically elected government. We are ruled by Communists who will do whatever it takes to ensure that a fair election is never again held in the United States.
These nations are not examples of Communism, they are examples of Totalitarianism.
There never was a Communist nation and there never will be one.

Correct as in communism goes against human nature.

It sounds great......'from each according to his ability to each according to his need' ----but has never worked anywhere. Only the gullible and overly idealistic (academics and students) buy into it.
There are three types of people who believe in Communism:

1. As you say, the gullible and idealistic, those who have no clue about human nature, who crave a Utopian solution to what they perceive as injustices, and who unquestioningly swallow the indoctrination.

2. The lazy who don't want to work, and think the State will provide all their needs.

3. Those who know about the murderous history of Communism and are okay with it, because they believe they will have power over their fellow man. These people are evil.

We have some of each on USMB.
Yes there are and they are truly evil.

March 3 2018
U.S. President Donald Trump praised Chinese President Xi Jinping Saturday after the ruling Communist party announced it was eliminating the two-term limit for the presidency, paving the way for Xi to serve indefinitely.

“He’s now president for life, president for life. And he’s great,” Trump said, according to audio of excerpts of Trump’s remarks at a closed-door fundraiser in Florida.
“And look, he was able to do that. I think it’s great. Maybe we’ll have to give that a shot someday,” Trump said to cheers and applause from supporters.

The Trump cult cheering for communist and communism.
 

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The fall of the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc countries did not spell the end of Communism. It clings on in Cuba, North Vietnam and in Venezuela.

However, the true threat comes from within the United States.

Communists are recruited in college or university through front groups that pretend to be concerned with other issues. The two most prominent Communist front group today is Black Lives Matter and Antifa.

However, very few Communists will admit to being Communists. One of the first thing a new Communist is taught is to lie and always deny being a Communist.

In the United States, Communists have infiltrated and now control a large percentage of our institutions. The Communists call this the "Long March Through the Institutions."

Communists take advantage of the fact that most Americans do not concern themselves that much with political issues, but devote themselves to career and family. Communists will always put Communism above all else, and will devote more time to their cause than anyone else will devote to any other cause.

The stolen election of 2020 was a Communist takeover. For the first time in American history, we do not have a democratically elected government. We are ruled by Communists who will do whatever it takes to ensure that a fair election is never again held in the United States.
These nations are not examples of Communism, they are examples of Totalitarianism.
There never was a Communist nation and there never will be one.

Correct as in communism goes against human nature.

It sounds great......'from each according to his ability to each according to his need' ----but has never worked anywhere. Only the gullible and overly idealistic (academics and students) buy into it.
There are three types of people who believe in Communism:

1. As you say, the gullible and idealistic, those who have no clue about human nature, who crave a Utopian solution to what they perceive as injustices, and who unquestioningly swallow the indoctrination.

2. The lazy who don't want to work, and think the State will provide all their needs.

3. Those who know about the murderous history of Communism and are okay with it, because they believe they will have power over their fellow man. These people are evil.

We have some of each on USMB.
Yes there are and they are truly evil.

March 3 2018
U.S. President Donald Trump praised Chinese President Xi Jinping Saturday after the ruling Communist party announced it was eliminating the two-term limit for the presidency, paving the way for Xi to serve indefinitely.

“He’s now president for life, president for life. And he’s great,” Trump said, according to audio of excerpts of Trump’s remarks at a closed-door fundraiser in Florida.
“And look, he was able to do that. I think it’s great. Maybe we’ll have to give that a shot someday,” Trump said to cheers and applause from supporters.

The Trump cult cheering for communist and communism.
That's exactly the problem. It exist no good autocrats and bad autocrats, or good and bad people, who like to be autocrats. Autocrats and automatisms are always bad. People fought against Hitler on good reasons - and people fought against Stalin on good reasons. So they fought against each other. But Hitler and Stalin were only the right and left jawbone of the same monster, which killed thousands and more thousands and more thousands and ...
 

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The real problem is morons like you can't see what is directly in front of you. Good useful idiot!
What is communism? Name some American communists, and what makes you think that about them.

Let's see if you really know what you're saying, or whether you're just another arrogant, paranoid, ignorant Trumpster.
 
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The worst idea promoted in human culture is that materialism is the most important concern. That is the source of what is wrong in capitalism, Marxism, fascism, socialism and, in fact, the failing religions of the world.
 

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The worst idea promoted in human culture is that materialism is the most important concern. That is the source of what is wrong in capitalism, Marxism, fascism, socialism and, in fact, the failing religions of the world.
are you referring to the importance to acquiring and consuming material goods.
Or the philosophy that all economy systems suffer from systemic decay due to internal contradictions and weaknesses.

The first is economic materialism, the 2nd is dialectal materialism. Or something else?
 

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The funniest thing about all this is that, because these right wing morons couldn't define "communism" if their lives depended on it, they could end up in an embarrassing cult supporting communism without even realizing it.
Define Communism, and explain why Trump supporters are Communists.
Does the shoe fit?
 

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The worst idea promoted in human culture is that materialism is the most important concern. That is the source of what is wrong in capitalism, Marxism, fascism, socialism and, in fact, the failing religions of the world.
are you referring to the importance to acquiring and consuming material goods.
Or the philosophy that all economy systems suffer from systemic decay due to internal contradictions and weaknesses.

The first is economic materialism, the 2nd is dialectal materialism. Or something else?
Quite simply, the reference is to the psychological damage of ignoring humanity's defining essence and putting illusion in the place of being.
 

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Why do Progressives never have a bad word to say about Communism or mankind's most prolific mass murders, all Communists?

Because communism has never killed anyone.
Stalin was not a communist, but a capitalist bank robber, who infiltrated the Communists, Socialists, and Anarchists, killed them all, took over, and implemented state capitalism instead.

Look at the characteristics. Communism is collaborative, cooperative, communal, and the way humans normally treat each other in small social groups like families, clubs, tribes, etc.
Those who think communism implies a large centralized state, simply do not know anything about communism.
And what Stalin implemented was not at all collaborative, cooperative, communal, or voluntary.
It was forced, state, capitalism, with purely a profit motive for the ruling elite.
Communism has killed un toldf tens of millions.

Stalin was a communist. He was not a capitalist,

Communism is totalitarian and never cooperative or communial or cllobaorative,

It is you who grapss nothing about communism and is ignorant of it.

Stalin wasn't really a Communist. Do you think Stalin gave a damn about Communism at all? What did Stalin do that was either Communist or pushing for Communism?
He was a communist through and through. he etablished the comintern specifically for the purpose of spreading communism world wide just as Marx required communism to work. He forced the entire nation to work and live in accordance with his interpretation of Marx which is precisely what the dictatorship of the proletariate is meant to do.
 

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Stalin was a communist. He was not a capitalist,

What's indeed not a fact but an interesting question. What is the role of party bigwigs in a "part"-y which controls everyone and everything and which is totalitarian under control of only one Trump? How fits this with any theory at all?

The basic idea of communism "property is theft" - better to say "property is not self-made" - is for sure not really wrong in case of some few hundred families in the world. But this some few hundred families own more than 90% of everything.

I fear whether someone likes this or not: We will need a new system of economy in the world. 100-150 years ago most people were farmers and were able to produce everything - with hard work - what they needed. In the world today it is impossible to survive without money. And it becomes more and more diffcult not to become a slave of others and to seed an own money tree, so no one has to die on hunger, because he is able to buy food.
The role of one leader is precisely what is called for in communism as it develops. Marx clearly stated that a dictagtorship is required for a while. He did not state how long but that it was a requirement. For years or centuries or millenia or whatever.

The basic idea is not about property calling it theft or not self made. The basic idea is " from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". This is the same basic idea behind slavery which is why it is no coincidence that every communist nation is a slave state.

Property is indeed self made and that is fact. Monmey makes people exactly the opposite of slaves.. Mmoney and the pursuit of it frees men and allows them to live in an honest, non violent way. When one obtrains money and uses it one is voluntarily exchanging value for value rather than stealing or taking from others.
 
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The fall of the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc countries did not spell the end of Communism. It clings on in Cuba, North Vietnam and in Venezuela.

However, the true threat comes from within the United States.

Communists are recruited in college or university through front groups that pretend to be concerned with other issues. The two most prominent Communist front group today is Black Lives Matter and Antifa.

However, very few Communists will admit to being Communists. One of the first thing a new Communist is taught is to lie and always deny being a Communist.

In the United States, Communists have infiltrated and now control a large percentage of our institutions. The Communists call this the "Long March Through the Institutions."

Communists take advantage of the fact that most Americans do not concern themselves that much with political issues, but devote themselves to career and family. Communists will always put Communism above all else, and will devote more time to their cause than anyone else will devote to any other cause.

The stolen election of 2020 was a Communist takeover. For the first time in American history, we do not have a democratically elected government. We are ruled by Communists who will do whatever it takes to ensure that a fair election is never again held in the United States.
Pure communism is a beautiful thing. Humans tend to fuck it up.

No, it's an abominable thing. That's what they all say....."if we can get our people in there this time it will work". Hundreds of millions have died under this murderous type of rule.
Why do the Religious still try? Two thousand years and worse progress than true Communists.

My wife’s family escaped from a former Communist country and would laugh in your face about your take on Communism. They, like most folks who actually know first hand, are adamantly opposed to the Democratic Party in the US because they are able to see where it is heading. They have a unique perspective. They are able to see the signs and are nearly as naive nor gullible. Spoiled, indoctrinated, native born folks who have been taught since grade school that Capitalism is a bad thing discuss the beauty of Socialism and Communism over their $5 latte’s at Starbucks. It would be absolutely hilarious if it weren’t so pitifully ironic.
 

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The fall of the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc countries did not spell the end of Communism. It clings on in Cuba, North Vietnam and in Venezuela.

However, the true threat comes from within the United States.

Communists are recruited in college or university through front groups that pretend to be concerned with other issues. The two most prominent Communist front group today is Black Lives Matter and Antifa.

However, very few Communists will admit to being Communists. One of the first thing a new Communist is taught is to lie and always deny being a Communist.

In the United States, Communists have infiltrated and now control a large percentage of our institutions. The Communists call this the "Long March Through the Institutions."

Communists take advantage of the fact that most Americans do not concern themselves that much with political issues, but devote themselves to career and family. Communists will always put Communism above all else, and will devote more time to their cause than anyone else will devote to any other cause.

The stolen election of 2020 was a Communist takeover. For the first time in American history, we do not have a democratically elected government. We are ruled by Communists who will do whatever it takes to ensure that a fair election is never again held in the United States.
Pure communism is a beautiful thing. Humans tend to fuck it up.

No, it's an abominable thing. That's what they all say....."if we can get our people in there this time it will work". Hundreds of millions have died under this murderous type of rule.
Why do the Religious still try? Two thousand years and worse progress than true Communists.
Where has "true Communism" ever been tried?
Wherever social morals for free are matters of principle. Some of the Religious practice communal living.
They do -- strictly voluntarily.

When people are forced to live communally by threat of violence, that's not socially moral, is it? Even if you do believes it's for their own good.
It is not socially moral to enforce Immigration laws in a bigoted manner and is why there is no Immigration clause in our federal Constitution. Be legal to express Law not immoral hypocrites (unto God) right-wingers.
 

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The basic idea is not about property calling it theft or not self made. The basic idea is " from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". This is the same basic idea behind slavery which is why it is no coincidence that every communist nation is a slave state.
They got it from the Bible.
 

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The fall of the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc countries did not spell the end of Communism. It clings on in Cuba, North Vietnam and in Venezuela.

However, the true threat comes from within the United States.

Communists are recruited in college or university through front groups that pretend to be concerned with other issues. The two most prominent Communist front group today is Black Lives Matter and Antifa.

However, very few Communists will admit to being Communists. One of the first thing a new Communist is taught is to lie and always deny being a Communist.

In the United States, Communists have infiltrated and now control a large percentage of our institutions. The Communists call this the "Long March Through the Institutions."

Communists take advantage of the fact that most Americans do not concern themselves that much with political issues, but devote themselves to career and family. Communists will always put Communism above all else, and will devote more time to their cause than anyone else will devote to any other cause.

The stolen election of 2020 was a Communist takeover. For the first time in American history, we do not have a democratically elected government. We are ruled by Communists who will do whatever it takes to ensure that a fair election is never again held in the United States.
Pure communism is a beautiful thing. Humans tend to fuck it up.

No, it's an abominable thing. That's what they all say....."if we can get our people in there this time it will work". Hundreds of millions have died under this murderous type of rule.
Why do the Religious still try? Two thousand years and worse progress than true Communists.

My wife’s family escaped from a former Communist country and would laugh in your face about your take on Communism. They, like most folks who actually know first hand, are adamantly opposed to the Democratic Party in the US because they are able to see where it is heading. They have a unique perspective. They are able to see the signs and are nearly as naive nor gullible. Spoiled, indoctrinated, native born folks who have been taught since grade school that Capitalism is a bad thing discuss the beauty of Socialism and Communism over their $5 latte’s at Starbucks. It would be absolutely hilarious if it weren’t so pitifully ironic.
Only those who don't know history say that. Our own Civil War was about the immorality of slavery.
 

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