Communist are Going to Win: Via Robots and AI

[Donald H]

Xi is going to rob the rich and reward the poor?

Directly contradicts your next statement:

Nothing of the sort is taking place

You blew it!

 

[Rigby5]

Deal with what I said and then tell me why you don't think Xi's initiative of limiting capitalists amassing huge wealth isn't a good idea.


I'll give you an opportunity to explain what that is supposed to mean. Don't blow your one chance!

Seems to me some wealthy elite in China ARE amassing huge wealth?

 

[Rigby5]

I see china currently as a fascist economy of nominal private ownership but absolute state control

But whether communist or fascist china places ZERO value on human rights and views individuals as expendable to serve the state

Correct.
China is fascist capitalist state controlled by and for a wealthy elite.

 

[Donald H]

Seems to me some wealthy elite in China ARE amassing huge wealth?

Seems to me that your knee is jerking but I'll offer you the opportunity to show you're worthy.
First show that you understand the basic premise of Xi's initiative. Then, who is amassing huge wealth and how much?

Even better still, deal with Mac's contradiction so I don't have to deal with you.

 

[Rigby5]

Seems to me that your knee is jerking but I'll offer you the opportunity to show you're worthy.
First show that you understand the basic premise of Xi's initiative. Then, who is amassing huge wealth and how much?

Even better still, deal with Mac's contradiction so I don't have to deal with you.

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[Mac-7]

China is fascist capitalist state controlled by and for a wealthy elite.

You seem to be avoiding the communist label

Fascism and communism are just two sides of the same coin

And china flirts with both of them

 

[Donald H]

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Chinese President Xi Jinping’s philosophy has been written into the country’s constitution. He has sought to raise the standard of living at home, while boosting China’s power and influence across the globe. But critics accuse him of consolidating power and creating a campaign of oppression against the Chinese people -- especially those who disagree with him. Nick Schifrin reports from Beijing.
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How President Xi Jinping is transforming China at home and abroad

Chinese President Xi Jinping’s philosophy has been written into the country’s constitution. He has sought to raise the standard of living at home, while boosting China’s power and influence across the globe. But critics accuse him of consolidating power and creating a campaign of oppression...

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I would be impressed with your effort if you had included an opinion.
Maybe you just forgot and that's coming?

 

[danielpalos]

There's little doubt that China has moved ahead of the rest of the world with AI. China is working on 6G while America is still struggling with 5G.

Could that have something to do with the efficiency of their communist system?

Not entirely attributable to communism as China does subscribe to capitalism with some interesting twists which are now designed to benefit all the people and prevent 'capitalism' from running away from the mass's needs. This is leader Xi's placing of limits on how much wealth the capitalist is permitted to amass.

Instead of capitalist business leaders being able to become billionaires, there are limits placed on them that guarantee wealth being distributed to all of the people. We don't yet know for sure where the limits will be set, but we should expect that large wealth accumulating for an individual will be permitted at a level at which it won't be destructive of incentive that capitalism offers.

And so, if communism allows China to continue to surge ahead of capitalist/democratic countries, we have the explanation for the reason why.

Still, America has the ability to adjust it's greedy form of capitalism in order to remain at least abreast of the world's leading democracies which practice capitalism with a 'social' conscience. Commonly known as 'socialist' policies within a capitalist system!

Our "Communism" is limited by our Constitution.

 

[Donald H]

Our "Communism" is limited by our Constitution.

Do you mean 'social' policies or 'socialism' within a capitalist system?
I've seldom if ever heard any American on this board being able to demonstrate that they even understand the meaning of 'communism'.

Either way I'm genuinely interested in hearing an explanation of that on your Constitution.

 

[danielpalos]

Do you mean 'social' policies or 'socialism' within a capitalist system?
I've seldom if ever heard any American on this board being able to demonstrate that they even understand the meaning of 'communism'.

Either way I'm genuinely interested in hearing an explanation of that on your Constitution.

nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

 

[Donald H]

nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Just compensation is the key so I can't agree.
And besides, America already accepts 'socialist' policy to some extent so that contradicts your interpretation of your Constitution.
That is, unless you advocate the elimination of any and all socialist policy. That's not possible.

Gotta go but I hope we can continue this.

 

[danielpalos]

Just compensation is the key so I can't agree.

That is a limitation based on our Constitution. And, the taking for public use is the key, not the just compensation.

 

[Donald H]

And, the taking for public use is the key, not the just compensation.

There are too many exceptions to the rule for it to make any sense.
Start with taxation.
Albeit some crackpot libertarian might not see that as legitimate!

 

[Rigby5]

You seem to be avoiding the communist label

Fascism and communism are just two sides of the same coin

And china flirts with both of them

I strongly disagree.
Communism is an idealistic, utopian concept, intended to implement true, ultimate democratic republics, by ending economic slavery and extortion.
Since there were no unions, labor laws like preventing unsafe work conditions, child labor, etc.. Marx and Engles were making reasonable visions of a way to counter the horrors of the industrial revolution.
The fact unions and labor laws turned out to be sufficient and likely better than communism, is irrelevant.
Communism as implemented for millions of year in families and tribes, of the ideal of Marx and Engles, is the exact opposite of Fascism.
Fascism is rule by the wealthy elite.
Communism is only about economic cooperation and collectivism, but that can't be done with anything but a democratic republic.

Forget about Russia and China, as they are Stalinist, which is Fascist, NOT at all Communist.
China has never been remotely communist on a national scale.
Mao implemented Stalinism, which is just state capitalism.
What China flirts between is rigid centralization, and allowing some oligarchs more independence.

 

[Rigby5]

I would be impressed with your effort if you had included an opinion.
Maybe you just forgot and that's coming?

I don't really know enough about current affairs in China.
But from the slaver labor, the oppression of the Uighurs, Fallongon, Hong Kong, Taiwan, new islands, copyright infringement, censorship, etc., I do not have much hope for anything good out of China for this generation.

 

[danielpalos]

There are too many exceptions to the rule for it to make any sense.
Start with taxation.
Albeit some crackpot libertarian might not see that as legitimate!

That is why we can simplify our limited use of non-religious, Constitutional "communism" to this:

nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

 

[Rigby5]

Our "Communism" is limited by our Constitution.

Not at all.
Since real communism has to be strongly local, then the Constitution has nothing to do with it.
People mistakenly think communism has to be central, and that is not the case.
The fact the USSR and China were strongly central is why they were NOT communism.
You can't do communism from a strong central position, it has to be local.

 

[Rigby5]

nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Communism never requires the confiscation of private property.
If the people vote for a public enterprise, it would be funded by taxes, so then could easily undercut and defeat any private competition.

 

[Rigby5]

That is a limitation based on our Constitution. And, the taking for public use is the key, not the just compensation.

Communism and socialism in no way imply any taking of anything.
Who did the Post Office take from?
Who did the government confiscate Hoover Dam from?
What private company owned and built the St. Lawrence Seaway?

 

[danielpalos]

Not at all.
Since real communism has to be strongly local, then the Constitution has nothing to do with it.
People mistakenly think communism has to be central, and that is not the case.
The fact the USSR and China were strongly central is why they were NOT communism.
You can't do communism from a strong central position, it has to be local.

Our Constitution is "local to us" in our global community. States have even more local Constitutions than that. Yes, a Constitution must matter to any Commune.