Zone1 Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?

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What you call evidence amounts to ignorance, not to mention an oblivious cursory reading of the story. The evidence that the miracles of Jesus were not supernatural is provided by reality. Even a simple reading of the account of Jesus healing the blind man provides the proof that it was a healing of perception, not sight.

First Jesus wrote something on the ground. Then he made a paste of mud and spit and put that over the mans eyes. Then he put his hand over all that shit covering his eyes and asked him what he saw. First he saw trees, then after Jesus said to take a harder look, while the mud was still in his eyes, he finally saw men. Jesus was teaching the man how to see in his mind and use his imagination in a rational way when reading a passage of scripture where trees are often representative of men. There is no other rational explanation.

IT WAS A HEALING OF PERCEPTION, NOT SIGHT. A "MIRACLE" THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME IN GRADE SCHOOLS WORLDWIDE.

Be honest with yourself, if that's even possible in your defiled state of mind, and ask yourself 3 simple questions.

1. HOW COULD THE MAN SEE ANYTHING WITH HIS EYES WITH MUD AND A HAND COVERING THEM?

2. HOW IS IT THAT YOU HAVE ALLOWED SATAN TO ENTER YOUR MIND TO PERPETUATE LIES?

3. HOW IS IT THAT YOU STILL DON'T KNOW THE ONLY RIGHT COURSE TO TAKE?


It's not like I haven't explained all of this many times to you in a simple way that any 6 year old can understand. So what has actually happened here is that the evidence proves that you are either not too swift, or just a phony.

Or both.

Here's my evidence. The first Christians who witnessed the supernatural acts performed by Jesus - which included controlling matter, controlling nature, healing physical deformities, healing diseases, raising the dead and resurrecting himself from death - worshiped Jesus as God because they witnessed those miracles. Non-Christian historians recorded that the first Christians worshiped Jesus as God because he performed supernatural feats. 24,000 written manuscripts documented the supernatural feats Jesus performed and the first Christians witnessed. The Babylonian Talmud confirms Jewish religious leaders put Jesus to death for sorcery and for leading Israel into apostasy. There are no opposing accounts that document that Jesus did not perform any supernatural acts. There are no opposing accounts that argue Jesus wasn't put to death for performing sorcery and inciting Israel to apostasy. There are no opposing accounts which document Jesus wasn't resurrected. There are no opposing accounts that the first Christians didn't witness Jesus performing supernatural acts. There are no opposing accounts that document the first Christians didn't worship Jesus as God.

 

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First of all the word 'miracle' never meant supernatural. It was always meant 'sign' that Jesus was the messiah.

So what you call evidence amounts to ignorance, not to mention an oblivious cursory reading of the story. The evidence that the miracles of Jesus were not supernatural is provided by reality. Even a simple reading of the account of Jesus healing the blind man provides the proof that it was a healing of perception, not sight.

First Jesus wrote something on the ground. Then he made a paste of mud and spit and put that over the mans eyes. Then he put his hand over all that shit covering his eyes and asked him what he saw. First he saw trees, then after Jesus said to take a harder look, while the mud was still in his eyes, he finally saw men. Jesus was teaching the man how to see in his mind and use his imagination in a rational way when reading a passage of scripture where trees are often representative of men. There is no other rational explanation.

IT WAS A HEALING OF PERCEPTION, NOT SIGHT. A "MIRACLE" THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME IN GRADE SCHOOLS WORLDWIDE.

Be honest with yourself, if that's even possible in your defiled state of mind, and ask yourself 3 simple questions.

1. HOW COULD THE MAN SEE ANYTHING WITH HIS EYES WITH MUD AND A HAND COVERING THEM?

2. HOW IS IT THAT YOU HAVE ALLOWED SATAN TO ENTER YOUR MIND TO PERPETUATE LIES?

3. HOW IS IT THAT YOU STILL DON'T KNOW THE ONLY RIGHT COURSE TO TAKE?


It's not like I haven't explained all of this many times to you in a simple way that any 6 year old can understand. So what has actually happened here is that the evidence proves that you are either not too swift, or just a phony.

Or both.

Where is your EVIDENCE that the 40 supernatural acts performed by Jesus which were documented in 24,000 written manuscripts were merely symbolic? Because nowhere in the 24,000 written manuscripts does it say or imply the miracles performed by Jesus were symbolic.

 

[hobelim]

Where is your EVIDENCE that the 40 supernatural acts performed by Jesus which were documented in 24,000 written manuscripts were merely symbolic? Because nowhere in the 24,000 written manuscripts does it say or imply the miracles performed by Jesus were symbolic.

So what. A rational intelligent person would know after reading the account of the healing of the blind man. First of all the word 'miracle' never meant supernatural. It was always meant 'sign' that Jesus was the messiah.

The first Christians didn't worship Jesus as God. They had faith that he was the awaited messiah, a man.

Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the WORDS of eternal life. We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God." John 6:68 (the man described in Deut.18:18)

So what you call evidence amounts to ignorance, not to mention an oblivious cursory reading of the story. The evidence that the miracles of Jesus were not supernatural is provided by reality. Even a simple reading of the account of Jesus healing the blind man provides the proof that it was a healing of perception, not sight.

First Jesus wrote something on the ground. Then he made a paste of mud and spit and put that over the mans eyes. Then he put his hand over all that shit covering his eyes and asked him what he saw. First he saw trees, then after Jesus said to take a harder look, while the mud was still in his eyes, he finally saw men. Jesus was teaching the man how to see in his mind and use his imagination in a rational way when reading a passage of scripture where trees are often representative of men. There is no other rational explanation.

IT WAS A HEALING OF PERCEPTION, NOT SIGHT. A "MIRACLE" THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME IN GRADE SCHOOLS WORLDWIDE.

Be honest with yourself, if that's even possible in your defiled state of mind, and ask yourself 3 simple questions.

1. HOW COULD THE MAN SEE ANYTHING WITH HIS EYES WITH MUD AND A HAND COVERING THEM?

2. HOW IS IT THAT YOU HAVE ALLOWED SATAN TO ENTER YOUR MIND TO PERPETUATE LIES?

3. HOW IS IT THAT YOU STILL DON'T KNOW THE ONLY RIGHT COURSE TO TAKE?


It's not like I haven't explained all of this many times to you in a simple way that any 6 year old can understand. So what has actually happened here is that the evidence proves that you are either not too swift, or just a phony or you are under the condemnation of God for your brazen sins of idolatry, false witness, and intentional murder.

Or all of the above.

 

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So what. A rational intelligent person would know after reading the account of the healing of the blind man.

First of all the word 'miracle' never meant supernatural. It was always meant 'sign' that Jesus was the messiah.

The first Christians didn't worship Jesus as God. They had faith that he was the awaited messiah, a man.

Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the WORDS of eternal life. We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God." John 6:68 (the man described in Deut.18:18)

So what you call evidence amounts to ignorance, not to mention an oblivious cursory reading of the story. The evidence that the miracles of Jesus were not supernatural is provided by reality. Even a simple reading of the account of Jesus healing the blind man provides the proof that it was a healing of perception, not sight.

First Jesus wrote something on the ground. Then he made a paste of mud and spit and put that over the mans eyes. Then he put his hand over all that shit covering his eyes and asked him what he saw. First he saw trees, then after Jesus said to take a harder look, while the mud was still in his eyes, he finally saw men. Jesus was teaching the man how to see in his mind and use his imagination in a rational way when reading a passage of scripture where trees are often representative of men. There is no other rational explanation.

IT WAS A HEALING OF PERCEPTION, NOT SIGHT. A "MIRACLE" THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME IN GRADE SCHOOLS WORLDWIDE.

Be honest with yourself, if that's even possible in your defiled state of mind, and ask yourself 3 simple questions.

1. HOW COULD THE MAN SEE ANYTHING WITH HIS EYES WITH MUD AND A HAND COVERING THEM?

2. HOW IS IT THAT YOU HAVE ALLOWED SATAN TO ENTER YOUR MIND TO PERPETUATE LIES?

3. HOW IS IT THAT YOU STILL DON'T KNOW THE ONLY RIGHT COURSE TO TAKE?


It's not like I haven't explained all of this many times to you in a simple way that any 6 year old can understand. So what has actually happened here is that the evidence proves that you are either not too swift, or just a phony.

Or both.

I'm not seeing any EVIDENCE that the miracles performed by Jesus were symbolic. Do you have anything else?

1. The first Christians who witnessed the supernatural acts performed by Jesus - which included controlling matter, controlling nature, healing physical deformities, healing diseases, raising the dead and resurrecting himself from death - worshiped Jesus as God because they witnessed those miracles.
2. Non-Christian historians recorded that the first Christians worshiped Jesus as God because he performed supernatural feats.
3. 24,000 written manuscripts documented the supernatural feats Jesus performed and the first Christians witnessed.
4. The Babylonian Talmud confirms Jewish religious leaders put Jesus to death for sorcery and for leading Israel into apostasy.
5. There are no opposing accounts that document that Jesus did not perform any supernatural acts.
6. There are no opposing accounts that argue Jesus wasn't put to death for performing sorcery and inciting Israel to apostasy.
7. There are no opposing accounts which document Jesus wasn't resurrected.
8. There are no opposing accounts that the first Christians didn't witness Jesus performing supernatural acts.
9. There are no opposing accounts that document the first Christians didn't worship Jesus as God.
10. There are no accounts that the miracles performed by Jesus were symbolic.

 

[hobelim]

I'm not seeing any EVIDENCE that the miracles performed by Jesus were symbolic. Do you have anything else?

I don't need anything else.

The man could not see anything with mud and spit in his eyes. If I spat in your eyes what would you see? Dope.

Without adding, subtracting or changing a single word a simple reading of the account of Jesus healing the blind man provides the irrefutable proof that it was a healing of perception, not sight. Not a supernatural "miracle".

First Jesus wrote something on the ground. Then he made a paste of mud and spit and put that over the mans eyes. Then he put his hand over all that shit covering his eyes and asked him what he saw. First he saw trees, then after Jesus said to take a harder look, while the mud was still in his eyes, he finally saw men. Jesus was teaching the man how to see in his mind and use his imagination in a rational way when reading a passage of scripture where trees are often representative of men. There is no other possible rational explanation.

OBVIOUSLY IT WAS A HEALING OF PERCEPTION NOT SIGHT.



Deal with it.

 

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I don't need anything else.

Without adding, subtracting or changing a single word a simple reading of the account of Jesus healing the blind man provides the irrefutable proof that it was a healing of perception, not sight. Not a supernatural "miracle".

First Jesus wrote something on the ground. Then he made a paste of mud and spit and put that over the mans eyes. Then he put his hand over all that shit covering his eyes and asked him what he saw. First he saw trees, then after Jesus said to take a harder look, while the mud was still in his eyes, he finally saw men. Jesus was teaching the man how to see in his mind and use his imagination in a rational way when reading a passage of scripture where trees are often representative of men. There is no other rational explanation.

Deal with it.

You have nothing. I have EVIDENCE.

1. The first Christians who witnessed the supernatural acts performed by Jesus - which included controlling matter, controlling nature, healing physical deformities, healing diseases, raising the dead and resurrecting himself from death - worshiped Jesus as God because they witnessed those miracles.
2. Non-Christian historians recorded that the first Christians worshiped Jesus as God because he performed supernatural feats.
3. 24,000 written manuscripts documented the supernatural feats Jesus performed and the first Christians witnessed.
4. The Babylonian Talmud confirms Jewish religious leaders put Jesus to death for sorcery and for leading Israel into apostasy.
5. There are no opposing accounts that document that Jesus did not perform any supernatural acts.
6. There are no opposing accounts that argue Jesus wasn't put to death for performing sorcery and inciting Israel to apostasy.
7. There are no opposing accounts which document Jesus wasn't resurrected.
8. There are no opposing accounts that the first Christians didn't witness Jesus performing supernatural acts.
9. There are no opposing accounts that document the first Christians didn't worship Jesus as God.
10. There are no accounts that the miracles performed by Jesus were symbolic.

 

[hobelim]

You have nothing. I have EVIDENCE.

That's not evidence of anything except that you've been diverted by superstitious archaic lore and lost your mind.

 

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That's not evidence of anything except that you've been diverted by superstitious archaic lore and lost your mind.

2 billion Christians say it is and so did St. Paul.

 

[hobelim]

2 billion Christians say it is.

Whoop di doo.

2 billion Christians are wrong. Such is the power of "the death", a curse, for brazenly defying the Law of God and openly desecrating the teaching of Jesus, used by Rome to deceive and conquer "the nations" ever since 325ce.

 

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Whoop di doo.

2 billion Christians are wrong. Such is the power of "the death", a curse, for brazenly defying the Law of God and openly desecrating the teaching of Jesus, used by Rome to deceive and conquer the nations ever since 325ce.

Accounts of the risen Jesus say so too.

 

[hobelim]

Accounts of the risen Jesus say so too.

Every single eyewitness account of anyone seeing Jesus after the crucifixion was an eyewitness account of what was seen and heard in a dream, the only realm where such things, impossible things, could possibly be the truth.

 

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Every single eyewitness account of anyone seeing Jesus after the crucifixion was an eyewitness account of what was seen and heard in a dream, the only realm where such things, impossible things, could possibly be the truth.

While they were still talking about this, Jesus himself stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a spirit. He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have” (Luke 24: 36-39)

 

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Every single eyewitness account of anyone seeing Jesus after the crucifixion was an eyewitness account of what was seen and heard in a dream, the only realm where such things, impossible things, could possibly be the truth.

The eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had ordered them. When they saw him, they worshipped, but some doubted. Then Jesus approached and said to them, ‘all power in heaven and on earth has been given tome’ (Matthew 28:16-18).

 

[hobelim]

The eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had ordered them. When they saw him, they worshipped, but some doubted. Then Jesus approached and said to them, ‘all power in heaven and on earth has been given tome’ (Matthew 28:16-18).

It is written that if a naughty boy remains on Pleasure Island for too long those donkey ears will remain for life. (Pinocchio 3:14)

Can I get a Hee Haw?

Jackass.

 

[Seymour Flops]

1. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth".

2. There are some who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

It is pretty clear to me that Jesus was crucified on Friday and the crucifiction ended before the sun went down and the sabboth started. Then he spent the Sabboth in the tomb and rose on Sunday.

3. And of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the moment when His spirit left His body).

4. However, a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved.

True.

5. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, there may be some of those mentioned above who try to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language.

Yes, that makes sense to me. "Three days and three nights" is the amount of time Jonah spent in the "great fish," and Jesus was likely drawing a parallel to an event Jews were familiar with.

6. I'm simply curious if anyone who may fall in the above group of believers might provide examples to support the belief of commonality; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.

Not a forecast, but a description of a past event. God created various parts of the universe for three days before creating the sun. No sun, no days or nights, so that must have been a description of a period of time, not day and night as we know them.

 

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Every single eyewitness account of anyone seeing Jesus after the crucifixion was an eyewitness account of what was seen and heard in a dream, the only realm where such things, impossible things, could possibly be the truth.

John’s Gospel communicates the same point in a slightly different way. Instead of asserting that Jesus has appeared in a divine-like way (as Matthew does) or in a spiritually transformed way (as Luke does), he says that Jesus appears through locked doors (Jn 20:19 and 20:26):

On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” (John 20:19)

He then shows them the wounds of the crucifixion on his hands and side (John 20:20).

 

[hobelim]

(Matthew 28:16-18).

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age. (Matthew 28:19)

"Take, from my hand, this cup of fiery wine and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it. When they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad; such is the sword that I am sending among them." Jeremiah 25:15

"He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who lives by the sword is bound by the sword to be killed."

 

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It is written that if a naughty boy remains on Pleasure Island for too long those donkey ears will remain for life. (Pinocchio 3:14)

Can I get a Hee Haw?

Jackass.

And then there is the change in the behavior of the apostles. After the crucifixion they are despondent, dejected, depressed, hiding. They've fled. Peter denied Jesus three times. Our leader has been put to death in the most degrading possible way. And they thought, "That's it! It's over!" But then history clearly shows that after Easter these same people that were once cowardly are now boldly proclaiming that Jesus is resurrected. In Acts 2, just a few weeks after the resurrection, says "Then Peter stood up, he raised his voice and addressed the crowd and said, 'God has raised this Jesus to life and we are all witnesses to this fact.'" We saw it. We know it's true.

 

[hobelim]

But then history clearly shows that after Easter these same people that were once cowardly are now boldly proclaiming that Jesus is resurrected.

Right, because it was and is the Jewish belief that God communicates to people through dreams and visions so the disciples 'seeing' Jesus in a dream after the crucifixion convinced them that Jesus survived a horrible death and was alive and well, unaffected by death, and living in the eternal realm of God, the reward of the righteous.

That's why they lost their fear of death.

 

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Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age. (Matthew 28:19)

"Take, from my hand, this cup of fiery wine and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it. When they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad; such is the sword that I am sending among them." Jeremiah 25:15

"He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who lives by the sword is bound by the sword to be killed."

The doctrine of the resurrection is central to Christianity – so much so that St. Paul states:

If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead… Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied (1Cor 15:13-15,18-19).

It is truly extraordinary that Paul made the claim that if there is no resurrection from the dead, that the faith of believers is useless and that all who have died in Christ have died in their sins. Paul knows that if he is lying, he and the other disciples have jeopardized the salvation of the whole Christian community, and furthermore he emerges as a false witness (a perjurer) before God, and is answerable to Him. The consequences of lying to (or even deceiving) believers about the resurrection cannot be overstated, because the resurrection is the foundation of Jesus’ claim to be the exclusive Son of God – and the unconditional love of God with us.