Zone1 Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?

[hobelim]

While some authors of the New Testament, like Paul, were converts from other religions,

According to the apostle Paul he belonged to the tribe of Benjamin. In Philippians 3:5, he explicitly states, "circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews".

As an amateur historian do you usually come to conclusions without doing research first?

You are such a hypocrite! How did you not know this being such a dedicated believer? Did you never read it?

Pft

 

[hobelim]

Am I trying to convince you? Or am I stating the basis for my beliefs?

What is the basis of your professed "belief" that Paul wasn't Jewish?

Take your time....

If your aim is to make Catholics look like they don't know what they're talking about you are doing a great job!

 

[alang1216]

Am I trying to convince you? Or am I stating the basis for my beliefs? Because if my reasons for my beliefs were as you stated them to be, I wouldn't hold those beliefs. So I can see why you don't believe the same as I do. The problem is your reasons are flat out wrong.

The number of Jews who worshipped Jesus as God is irrelevant. What matters is the first Christians were Jews and they were witnesses to the miracles performed by Christ that are detailed in the 24,000 written manuscripts AND THEY WORSHIPPED JESUS AS GOD BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY SAW WITH THEIR OWN EYES. They were the ones who established that belief and the traditions that are still honored today. It is their actions - which were recorded by non-Christian historians, coupled with the Babylonian Talmud recording that Jesus was put to death for sorcery and inciting Israel to apostasy that work in tandem with the 24,000 written manuscripts. It all makes sense. Your conspiracy theory does not make sense in the slightest.

You can repeat your theology as many times as you want but it fails to convince me your beliefs are based on historical fact as I understand them.

 

[ding]

You can repeat your theology as many times as you want but it fails to convince me your beliefs are based on historical fact as I understand them.

I'm not trying to convince you. Your mind is made up. Your loss. Not mine.

 

[hobelim]

You can repeat your theology as many times as you want but it fails to convince me your beliefs are based on historical fact as I understand them.

First ding said that Paul wasn't Jewish, a convert from other religions, and then when I corrected him he went back and deleted that part of his post instead of admitting that he was wrong or even just made a mistake.

What does that tell you?

 

[ding]

You can repeat your theology as many times as you want but it fails to convince me your beliefs are based on historical fact as I understand them.

But that wasn't theology. That is the evidence the Christian theology is based upon.

 

[hobelim]

I'm not trying to convince you. Your mind is made up. Your loss. Not mine.

First you claim that you are not trying to convince him and then say its his loss for not being convinced.

Damn.

I am very impressed by the many wonderful things pretending to believe in complete nonsense has done for you.

 

[alang1216]

First ding said that Paul wasn't Jewish, a convert from other religions, and then when I corrected him he went back and deleted that part of his post instead of admitting that he was wrong or even just made a mistake.

What does that tell you?

Interesting, I totally missed that. I do note that he tends to fall back on the same talking points over and over again.

 

[alang1216]

But that wasn't theology. That is the evidence the Christian theology is based upon.

And it would be good evidence except for all the evidence to the contrary.

 

[ding]

And it would be good evidence except for all the evidence to the contrary.

What evidence is there to the contrary?

 

[alang1216]

What evidence is there to the contrary?

been there, done that

 

[ding]

been there, done that

Now you are lying. That or you have no idea what evidence looks like.

 

[hobelim]

Now you are lying.

“The curse of the liar is not in the least that he can’t be believed, but that he cannot believe anyone else.”

George Bernard Shaw.

 

[ding]

“The curse of the liar is not in the least that he can’t be believed, but that he cannot believe anyone else.”

George Bernard Shaw.

All you have to do is show me your evidence that Christ never performed any miracles or rose from the dead, that non-Christian historians didn't record that the first Christians worshipped Jesus as God, that the 24,000 written manuscripts detailing the miracles performed by Christ were a massive conspiracy of epic proportions and that the Babylonian Talmud didn't record that Jesus was put to death for sorcery and inciting Israel to apostasy?

 

[hobelim]

All you have to do is show me your evidence that Christ never performed any miracles or rose from the dead

I never said Jesus didn't perform miracles. I said they were not supernatural demonstrations of divine power over reality. Every single miracle of Jesus can be interpreted in a way that conforms to and can be confirmed by reality.

If you look and look and keep on looking you will find it. If you do not look and keep on looking you never will.

I know and understand that every miracle of Jesus was not about defying reality. Giving sight to the blind, curing the paralyzed, walking on water, calming the storm, turning water into wine, healing the sick, feeding the multitude, and raising the dead are all just metaphors for what good teachers all over the world do every day.

The miracles of Jesus were as miraculous as if you, a blind man dead and in hell, suddenly realized, received sight, that you have made great errors in your speculations, repented for your obstinate stupidity, and rose from your idolatrous grave.

Now that would be a real miracle! But only possible if you were not already under the condemnation of my God.


Jesus, not some imaginary triune edible mangod, would have just let you rot where you stand like I have done for the express benefit of many others tortured by hunger, the resurrected dead, standing all around WATCHING.

Don't take it too hard. Be happy! A multitude who hunger to see righteousness prevail have now been satisfied while you dick around with bread and cheap wine in a repugnant tomb full of corruption and dead mens bones.

Enjoy!

Just remember, YOU HAVE YOUR REWARD ALREADY!

"He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword."

 

[ding]

I never said Jesus didn't perform miracles. I said they were not supernatural demonstrations of divine power over reality

Same difference. The evidence says he did.

 

[alang1216]

Now you are lying. That or you have no idea what evidence looks like.

I gave you a link to a New Testament scholarly lecture. You wouldn't watch it. You have no idea what evidence looks like because you hide from it.

 

[ding]

I gave you a link to a New Testament scholarly lecture. You wouldn't watch it. You have no idea what evidence looks like because you hide from it.

I'm not going to try to figure out an argument you can't even state.

 

[rstrats]

What difference does it make what day Jesus was crucified?

For the purpose of this topic, it doesn't.

The rest of your post deals with issues for a different topic. Maybe you might start one.

 

[hobelim]

Same difference. The evidence says he did.

What you call evidence amounts to ignorance, not to mention an oblivious cursory reading of the story. The evidence that the miracles of Jesus were not supernatural is provided by reality. Even a simple reading of the account of Jesus healing the blind man provides the proof that it was a healing of perception, not sight.

First Jesus wrote something on the ground. Then he made a paste of mud and spit and put that over the mans eyes. Then he put his hand over all that shit covering his eyes and asked him what he saw. First he saw trees, then after Jesus said to take a harder look, while the mud was still in his eyes, he finally saw men. Jesus was teaching the man how to see in his mind and use his imagination in a rational way when reading a passage of scripture where trees are often representative of men. There is no other rational explanation.

IT WAS A HEALING OF PERCEPTION, NOT SIGHT. A "MIRACLE" THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME IN GRADE SCHOOLS WORLDWIDE.

Be honest with yourself, if that's even possible in your defiled state of mind, and ask yourself 3 simple questions.

1. HOW COULD THE MAN SEE ANYTHING WITH HIS EYES WITH MUD AND A HAND COVERING THEM?

2. HOW IS IT THAT YOU HAVE ALLOWED SATAN TO ENTER YOUR MIND TO PERPETUATE LIES?

3. HOW IS IT THAT YOU STILL DON'T KNOW THE ONLY RIGHT COURSE TO TAKE?


It's not like I haven't explained all of this many times to you in a simple way that any 6 year old can understand. So what has actually happened here is that the evidence proves that you are either not too swift, or just a phony.

Or both.