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I'd be more than happy to jump in and rip your argument to shreds, but after reading your OP, I don't know what you are claiming?I'm big enough and definitely smart enough to know I make mistakes.
After all I am not like Obama who was called a god by NewsWeek editor.
I generally though provide LINKS for any statements and I truly don't like to waste my time if I"M WRONG!
There are major points I've continued to make here but NO ONE SEEMS TO refute them!
HENCE I'm right and yet NONE of you are man enough to admit it!
Example I. There have never been 46 million Americans that wanted and could not get health insurance! LIE!
1) The Census tells us that when they counted that 46 million included were 10 million non-citizens!
Source: Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
That leaves 36 million...
2) The Census agrees that they have made mistakes in the undercounting of people eligible for Medicaid.
"Of the 44.7 million non-elderly uninsured individuals identified in the 2004 Census Current Population Survey (CPS) data,
nearly one-third almost 14 million were reachable through existing government health programs such as Medicaid and the State Childrens Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) under current rules!
In the latest Census health insurance report, the Census Bureau acknowledges that the survey underreports Medicare and Medicaid coverage compared with enrollment and participation data from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS).
SOURCE: http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf
Do you understand? BEFORE ACA 14 million need ONLY enroll and they became INSURED! that leaves 22 million not 46 million
3) 18 million people fit into this category..Americans that don't want health insurance.
called "young invincibles" i.e. under 34, therefore DON'T NEED.. these 18 million can afford (make over $50k) but don't want to pay their employers'
health plan fees.
So why were 18 million that don't WANT health insurance still counted as part of the 46 million??
SOURCE: CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED: 2009
That leaves 4 million that truly want and need but couldn't get insurance!
FINE let's insure them with the 10% tax on lawyers $270 billion and that provides a $5,000 policy each year for each of the 4 million truly uninsured!
Example II. The BIGGEST cost of health care is the $850 billion that doctors attest they cause because of fear of lawsuits!
"Physicians estimate the cost of defensive medicine in US at $650 to $850 billion per year. This is 26 to 34% of all US healthcare costs.
Up to 92% of US physicians practice defensive medicine.
76% of physicians report that defensive medicine decreases patient access to healthcare.
53% of physicians report delaying new techniques, procedures, and treatments due to fear of lawsuits.
Patients most affected by defensive medicine include those visiting emergency rooms and those requiring surgery.
Emergency medicine, primary care, and OB/GYN physicians are most likely to practice defensive medicine.
79 to 83% of surgeons and OB/GYNs have been named in lawsuits.
Physicians contracted by the federal government practice significantly less defensive medicine as they are protected against lawsuits by the Federal Tort Claims Act.
Only 48% practice defensive medicine compared to 92% of non-government physicians.
89% of physicians support a patients right to be compensated fairly for true negligence.
SOURCE: Health News Observer ? Physicians Estimate The Cost Of Defensive Medicine In Us At 650 To 850 Bill Articles
These are two major examples of WHERE I"M RIGHT but all of you seem feckless in proving me wrong!
PLEASE if you can prove either of the two examples are grossly 100% WRONG PROVE IT!!!
...now keep in mind I have read the article yet, but right off the top of my head, just because that 18 million don't want to pay their employers, doesn't mean they don't want health insurance, because maybe they would pay for it, if the costs weren't so high.3) 18 million people fit into this category..Americans that don't want health insurance.
called "young invincibles" i.e. under 34, therefore DON'T NEED.. these 18 million can afford (make over $50k) but don't want to pay their employers'
health plan fees.
So why were 18 million that don't WANT health insurance still counted as part of the 46 million??
I'm big enough and definitely smart enough to know I make mistakes.
After all I am not like Obama who was called a god by NewsWeek editor.
I generally though provide LINKS for any statements and I truly don't like to waste my time if I"M WRONG!
There are major points I've continued to make here but NO ONE SEEMS TO refute them!
HENCE I'm right and yet NONE of you are man enough to admit it!
Example I. There have never been 46 million Americans that wanted and could not get health insurance! LIE!
1) The Census tells us that when they counted that 46 million included were 10 million non-citizens!
Source: Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
That leaves 36 million...
2) The Census agrees that they have made mistakes in the undercounting of people eligible for Medicaid.
"Of the 44.7 million non-elderly uninsured individuals identified in the 2004 Census Current Population Survey (CPS) data,
nearly one-third almost 14 million were reachable through existing government health programs such as Medicaid and the State Childrens Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) under current rules!
In the latest Census health insurance report, the Census Bureau acknowledges that the survey underreports Medicare and Medicaid coverage compared with enrollment and participation data from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS).
SOURCE: http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf
Do you understand? BEFORE ACA 14 million need ONLY enroll and they became INSURED! that leaves 22 million not 46 million
3) 18 million people fit into this category..Americans that don't want health insurance.
called "young invincibles" i.e. under 34, therefore DON'T NEED.. these 18 million can afford (make over $50k) but don't want to pay their employers'
health plan fees.
So why were 18 million that don't WANT health insurance still counted as part of the 46 million??
SOURCE: CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED: 2009
That leaves 4 million that truly want and need but couldn't get insurance!
FINE let's insure them with the 10% tax on lawyers $270 billion and that provides a $5,000 policy each year for each of the 4 million truly uninsured!
Example II. The BIGGEST cost of health care is the $850 billion that doctors attest they cause because of fear of lawsuits!
"Physicians estimate the cost of defensive medicine in US at $650 to $850 billion per year. This is 26 to 34% of all US healthcare costs.
Up to 92% of US physicians practice defensive medicine.
76% of physicians report that defensive medicine decreases patient access to healthcare.
53% of physicians report delaying new techniques, procedures, and treatments due to fear of lawsuits.
Patients most affected by defensive medicine include those visiting emergency rooms and those requiring surgery.
Emergency medicine, primary care, and OB/GYN physicians are most likely to practice defensive medicine.
79 to 83% of surgeons and OB/GYNs have been named in lawsuits.
Physicians contracted by the federal government practice significantly less defensive medicine as they are protected against lawsuits by the Federal Tort Claims Act.
Only 48% practice defensive medicine compared to 92% of non-government physicians.
89% of physicians support a patients right to be compensated fairly for true negligence.
SOURCE: Health News Observer ? Physicians Estimate The Cost Of Defensive Medicine In Us At 650 To 850 Bill Articles
These are two major examples of WHERE I"M RIGHT but all of you seem feckless in proving me wrong!
PLEASE if you can prove either of the two examples are grossly 100% WRONG PROVE IT!!!
I'd be more than happy to jump in and rip your argument to shreds, but after reading your OP, I don't know what you are claiming?I'm big enough and definitely smart enough to know I make mistakes.
After all I am not like Obama who was called a god by NewsWeek editor.
I generally though provide LINKS for any statements and I truly don't like to waste my time if I"M WRONG!
There are major points I've continued to make here but NO ONE SEEMS TO refute them!
HENCE I'm right and yet NONE of you are man enough to admit it!
Example I. There have never been 46 million Americans that wanted and could not get health insurance! LIE!
1) The Census tells us that when they counted that 46 million included were 10 million non-citizens!
Source: Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
That leaves 36 million...
2) The Census agrees that they have made mistakes in the undercounting of people eligible for Medicaid.
"Of the 44.7 million non-elderly uninsured individuals identified in the 2004 Census Current Population Survey (CPS) data,
nearly one-third almost 14 million were reachable through existing government health programs such as Medicaid and the State Childrens Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) under current rules!
In the latest Census health insurance report, the Census Bureau acknowledges that the survey underreports Medicare and Medicaid coverage compared with enrollment and participation data from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS).
SOURCE: http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf
Do you understand? BEFORE ACA 14 million need ONLY enroll and they became INSURED! that leaves 22 million not 46 million
3) 18 million people fit into this category..Americans that don't want health insurance.
called "young invincibles" i.e. under 34, therefore DON'T NEED.. these 18 million can afford (make over $50k) but don't want to pay their employers'
health plan fees.
So why were 18 million that don't WANT health insurance still counted as part of the 46 million??
SOURCE: CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED: 2009
That leaves 4 million that truly want and need but couldn't get insurance!
FINE let's insure them with the 10% tax on lawyers $270 billion and that provides a $5,000 policy each year for each of the 4 million truly uninsured!
Example II. The BIGGEST cost of health care is the $850 billion that doctors attest they cause because of fear of lawsuits!
"Physicians estimate the cost of defensive medicine in US at $650 to $850 billion per year. This is 26 to 34% of all US healthcare costs.
Up to 92% of US physicians practice defensive medicine.
76% of physicians report that defensive medicine decreases patient access to healthcare.
53% of physicians report delaying new techniques, procedures, and treatments due to fear of lawsuits.
Patients most affected by defensive medicine include those visiting emergency rooms and those requiring surgery.
Emergency medicine, primary care, and OB/GYN physicians are most likely to practice defensive medicine.
79 to 83% of surgeons and OB/GYNs have been named in lawsuits.
Physicians contracted by the federal government practice significantly less defensive medicine as they are protected against lawsuits by the Federal Tort Claims Act.
Only 48% practice defensive medicine compared to 92% of non-government physicians.
89% of physicians support a patients right to be compensated fairly for true negligence.
SOURCE: Health News Observer ? Physicians Estimate The Cost Of Defensive Medicine In Us At 650 To 850 Bill Articles
These are two major examples of WHERE I"M RIGHT but all of you seem feckless in proving me wrong!
PLEASE if you can prove either of the two examples are grossly 100% WRONG PROVE IT!!!
I can tell it's something about healthcare, but what is your specific argument?
But I will give you a sample of what you can look forward to...
...as far as this comment goes...
...now keep in mind I have read the article yet, but right off the top of my head, just because that 18 million don't want to pay their employers, doesn't mean they don't want health insurance, because maybe they would pay for it, if the costs weren't so high.3) 18 million people fit into this category..Americans that don't want health insurance.
called "young invincibles" i.e. under 34, therefore DON'T NEED.. these 18 million can afford (make over $50k) but don't want to pay their employers'
health plan fees.
So why were 18 million that don't WANT health insurance still counted as part of the 46 million??
We can continue this discussion, after I know what your point is.
Come on you dishonest people point the errors in my facts
Been done hundreds of times.
Come on you dishonest people point the errors in my facts
Been done hundreds of times.
I'm stupid?How unbelievable stupid you are!
HeRE big bold letters!
THERE NEVER WERE 46 million uninsured! LIE
10 million are not citizens.. CENSUS SAYS SO...READ IT HERE!!Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
Pretty DAMN clear!
14 million people that qualified BEFORE ACA for Medicaid. Why the f..k does Obama think he can administer ALL health care when he can't even
get 14 million people on to Medicaid! http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf
18 million people DON'T WANT insurance! They can afford their employers (Make over $50,000) but spend less then $1,000 a year on health services!
CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED: 2009
That adds up to 42 million subtract from 46 million leaves 4 million!
Go read the links!
Do some honest research and YOU'll be f..king pissed that a 1,000% hyped number is now causing major health delivery interruptions!
MY god... doesn't the latest VA issues give you ANY pause to think the government that can't even get the numbers straight is going to be able to
administer 1/6th of the economy?
I sincerely wish you'd read the links! Then tell me I'm wrong!
I'm stupid?How unbelievable stupid you are!
HeRE big bold letters!
THERE NEVER WERE 46 million uninsured! LIE
10 million are not citizens.. CENSUS SAYS SO...READ IT HERE!!Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
Pretty DAMN clear!
14 million people that qualified BEFORE ACA for Medicaid. Why the f..k does Obama think he can administer ALL health care when he can't even
get 14 million people on to Medicaid! http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf
18 million people DON'T WANT insurance! They can afford their employers (Make over $50,000) but spend less then $1,000 a year on health services!
CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED: 2009
That adds up to 42 million subtract from 46 million leaves 4 million!
Go read the links!
Do some honest research and YOU'll be f..king pissed that a 1,000% hyped number is now causing major health delivery interruptions!
MY god... doesn't the latest VA issues give you ANY pause to think the government that can't even get the numbers straight is going to be able to
administer 1/6th of the economy?
I sincerely wish you'd read the links! Then tell me I'm wrong!
You don't say what your point is by bringing up all this stuff, but I'm the one who's stupid?
I'm not reading any links until you tell me the reason for posting them in the first place.
Come on you dishonest people point the errors in my facts
Been done hundreds of times.
I'm stupid?How unbelievable stupid you are!
HeRE big bold letters!
THERE NEVER WERE 46 million uninsured! LIE
10 million are not citizens.. CENSUS SAYS SO...READ IT HERE!!Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
Pretty DAMN clear!
14 million people that qualified BEFORE ACA for Medicaid. Why the f..k does Obama think he can administer ALL health care when he can't even
get 14 million people on to Medicaid! http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf
18 million people DON'T WANT insurance! They can afford their employers (Make over $50,000) but spend less then $1,000 a year on health services!
CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED: 2009
That adds up to 42 million subtract from 46 million leaves 4 million!
Go read the links!
Do some honest research and YOU'll be f..king pissed that a 1,000% hyped number is now causing major health delivery interruptions!
MY god... doesn't the latest VA issues give you ANY pause to think the government that can't even get the numbers straight is going to be able to
administer 1/6th of the economy?
I sincerely wish you'd read the links! Then tell me I'm wrong!
You don't say what your point is by bringing up all this stuff, but I'm the one who's stupid?
I'm not reading any links until you tell me the reason for posting them in the first place.
I'm stupid?How unbelievable stupid you are!
HeRE big bold letters!
THERE NEVER WERE 46 million uninsured! LIE
10 million are not citizens.. CENSUS SAYS SO...READ IT HERE!!Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
Pretty DAMN clear!
14 million people that qualified BEFORE ACA for Medicaid. Why the f..k does Obama think he can administer ALL health care when he can't even
get 14 million people on to Medicaid! http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf
18 million people DON'T WANT insurance! They can afford their employers (Make over $50,000) but spend less then $1,000 a year on health services!
CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED: 2009
That adds up to 42 million subtract from 46 million leaves 4 million!
Go read the links!
Do some honest research and YOU'll be f..king pissed that a 1,000% hyped number is now causing major health delivery interruptions!
MY god... doesn't the latest VA issues give you ANY pause to think the government that can't even get the numbers straight is going to be able to
administer 1/6th of the economy?
I sincerely wish you'd read the links! Then tell me I'm wrong!
You don't say what your point is by bringing up all this stuff, but I'm the one who's stupid?
I'm not reading any links until you tell me the reason for posting them in the first place.
His point is that somehow 46 million uninsured means 46 million who want insurance but can't get it.
As has been pointed out through the entire debate (even while Jakes Boyfriend is goring him from behind), is that there are lots of people who have access to insurance who won't avail themselves. If someone makes 75 K a year, they can probably afford insurace. If they chose not to get it, that is their choice and it isn't up to us to give it to them if they don't want it.
I'm stupid?
You don't say what your point is by bringing up all this stuff, but I'm the one who's stupid?
I'm not reading any links until you tell me the reason for posting them in the first place.
His point is that somehow 46 million uninsured means 46 million who want insurance but can't get it.
As has been pointed out through the entire debate (even while Jakes Boyfriend is goring him from behind), is that there are lots of people who have access to insurance who won't avail themselves. If someone makes 75 K a year, they can probably afford insurace. If they chose not to get it, that is their choice and it isn't up to us to give it to them if they don't want it.
14 million people are eligible for Medicaid but are just too lazy to simply register! They qualified BEFORE ACA for Medicaid and the same group
that wants to administer our entire health system and now we are hearing about gross mismanagement of VA couldn't get these 14 million
already eligible Registered! So how in the hell are they competent to run 1/6th of the economy?
The same liars that totally ignored these 14 million ALSO counted 10 million illegals as uninsured!
Now Obama admits the illegals don't qualify for Obamacare SO why in the f..k did he include them in this number:
"I dont have to explain to you that nearly 46 million Americans dont have health insurance coverage today. " HE now admits HE LIED!
And yes your point about the 18 million falsely counted as "uninsured" that don't want it as they don't need it an can afford it as they make over $50k a year!
I am glad you understand the point that there NEVER were 46 million that wanted, or eligible or didn't know !
4 million!
His point is that somehow 46 million uninsured means 46 million who want insurance but can't get it.
As has been pointed out through the entire debate (even while Jakes Boyfriend is goring him from behind), is that there are lots of people who have access to insurance who won't avail themselves. If someone makes 75 K a year, they can probably afford insurace. If they chose not to get it, that is their choice and it isn't up to us to give it to them if they don't want it.
14 million people are eligible for Medicaid but are just too lazy to simply register! They qualified BEFORE ACA for Medicaid and the same group
that wants to administer our entire health system and now we are hearing about gross mismanagement of VA couldn't get these 14 million
already eligible Registered! So how in the hell are they competent to run 1/6th of the economy?
The same liars that totally ignored these 14 million ALSO counted 10 million illegals as uninsured!
Now Obama admits the illegals don't qualify for Obamacare SO why in the f..k did he include them in this number:
"I dont have to explain to you that nearly 46 million Americans dont have health insurance coverage today. " HE now admits HE LIED!
And yes your point about the 18 million falsely counted as "uninsured" that don't want it as they don't need it an can afford it as they make over $50k a year!
I am glad you understand the point that there NEVER were 46 million that wanted, or eligible or didn't know !
4 million!
I understand all to well. This pathetic lie has been one of the cornerstones of the left's efforts to push through some form of healthcare bill.
14 million people are eligible for Medicaid but are just too lazy to simply register! They qualified BEFORE ACA for Medicaid and the same group
that wants to administer our entire health system and now we are hearing about gross mismanagement of VA couldn't get these 14 million
already eligible Registered! So how in the hell are they competent to run 1/6th of the economy?
The same liars that totally ignored these 14 million ALSO counted 10 million illegals as uninsured!
Now Obama admits the illegals don't qualify for Obamacare SO why in the f..k did he include them in this number:
"I dont have to explain to you that nearly 46 million Americans dont have health insurance coverage today. " HE now admits HE LIED!
And yes your point about the 18 million falsely counted as "uninsured" that don't want it as they don't need it an can afford it as they make over $50k a year!
I am glad you understand the point that there NEVER were 46 million that wanted, or eligible or didn't know !
4 million!
I understand all to well. This pathetic lie has been one of the cornerstones of the left's efforts to push through some form of healthcare bill.
YES! ACA was passed by just 7 votes.
I am 100% confident that of the "yes" votes
219 Democrats that voted YES at least 7 or more really believed there were 46 million uninsured!
34 Democrats voted NO as well as 178 GOP voted NO..
The vote 219 yes 212 NO... just 7 votes passed ACA.
ACA which will destroy $100 billion a year in Federal/state/local income taxes.
ACA will destroy 400,000+ jobs.
ACA will NOT stop the $850 billion a year in "defensive medicine" that 90% of physicians say they practice send duplicate tests, etc. ALL out of fear of being sued!
As I've often pointed out ACA has a 10% tax on Tanning salons as tanning causes cancer which requires payments. OK...
Tax lawyers 10% of their $270 billion because fear of lawsuits cause $850 billion in defensive medicine... Take the $27 billion and pay health insurance
premiums for the 4 million that truly want, don't qualify for Medicaid AND can't afford!
That solves the problem. Reduces $850 billion and savings are passed on to insurance companies that will low premiums!
HOW simple!
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