Colorado judge strikes down AR-15 ban, and over 10 round magazine ban....good.

[Blues Man]

Illegal gun possession is a federal crime punishable by a 5 year sentence in federal prison.

When that law is enforced, crime rates drop, the murder rate drops but you don't want to enforce that law. Why is that?

Because I don't think that the Prison-Industrial Complex works.

If he has an illegal gun, you take away his gun. Period. Full ******* stop.

The other problem I have with these laws is that when they are 'enforced", it's usually against poor people and people of color.

so then you're not serious about controlling crime.

Prison industry is pretty fucked up in this country but you don't tear something down if you don't even understand why it was built in the first place.
All kinds of fuckery and bad shit ensues.

I agree that we lock up too many people. Most people in state, local and county jails are awaiting trial. The fact that so many people who haven't been convicted of anything are in jail is proof that our justice system needs an overhaul.

IMO the only people that should be in prison are violent offenders and that we should at this point just decriminalize possession of any drugs

 

[Blues Man]

Since the federal gun laws on the books have not been deemed unconstitutional by the Supreme Court it doesn't matter if you think they are unconstitutional or not

My question is, do you think they're unconstitutional? You certainly support them. You're a gun controller. Just accept it. Wear it. Be proud of your views. Get the t-shirt.

You keep arguing that the government does have the right to infringe on the right to keep and bear arms if they infringe in ways you approve. Once you've agreed that they have the right to infringe, or to go against the Constitution in any thing or in any way, then all that's left is to decide who it is that gets to decide what's OK and what's not. Guess what. You're not the one that gets to decide. That means that you're deciding for me, and I object to that, and someone else is going to decide for you and you will, in the end, object when you realize that they have gone beyond what you hoped they'd do.

If a law was the law until it was declared unconstitutional then anyone who violated the law before such a declaration must still be a criminal, it was the law of the land when they broke it, so they must complete their sentence before being freed. Do you believe that? Or do you believe that once a law is declared unconstitutional, everyone convicted based on that law must be freed, proving that an unconstitutional law is actually not the law at all.

You show us why, in the end, the ability to exercise the right to keep and bear arms in the United States will, for all intents and purposes, be taken from us. Most people, literally most, who claim to support the right to keep and bear arms, who claim to be pro-gun, who claim to be pro-2nd Amendment, who claim to be constitutionalists, are absolutely none of the above.

Like I said I have no problem denying convicted felons the right to own firearms. They have proven through their actions that they are not responsible enough to own firearms. I really don't have a problem with those that are adjudicated to be mentally ill are denied the right to own firearms.

As far as everyone else more power to them. I think that anyone who isn't a convicted felon or adjudicated to be mentally ill should be able to buy as many guns as they want and I support Constitutional carry.

Why do you want convicted felons and the mentally ill to own firearms?

 

[Blues Man]

I'm just saying if a pistol is used in a shooting during a carjacking or a robbery, the cops don't go to the guy who bought it 8 years ago and then had it stolen from his truck, and begin treating him as a suspect in the shooting; that doesn't happen.
Unless they actually recover the gun, they can't trace it at all, and they know damn good and well the guy in the suburbs who bought it back when, wasn't involved in some gang beef shooting at a waffle house, or a robbery.

Most gun crimes seldom happening with the criminal using a legal gun. But what they do is find out where the gun went after it left the buyers hands hopefully leading to the ultimate user of the person who committed the crime. If a crime was committed with a gun you owned but sold to somebody at a gun show or out of the paper, you could at least give them a description of the buyer if you didn't take his information or snapshot of his drivers license.

One of the first things they do I'm sure is to run the gun to see it's history. If it was reported stolen two years ago, they won't even bother you because you don't know who stole your gun and can't help them. If it's stolen from your home and you don't report it, you won't be able to file a claim with your insurance company because you need a police report for that.

The last gun I purchased was 10 years ago. After I paid for the gun, the store had to fire a shot from it to get the ballistics from the bullet that identifies the gun, and they send that information to authorities for them to enter it in the national database. So even if there is no gun, they know by ballistics that the bullet came from your weapon.

I don't buy or sell guns in private purchases. I don't want to buy a gun that was used in any crimes and I don't want to sell to a person that might commit crimes with the gun I sell him.

 

[Blues Man]

you'll never admit that we lock up the wrong people will you?

60% of people in jails right now are not convicted of any crime, and we lock up people for nonviolent drug offenses and property damage more than we lock up the violent criminals that are actually the danger to society.

And when Chicago proposed non-cash bails for non-violent offenders, the Police Unions screamed bloody murder.

I agree we lock up people for non-violent offenses.

MERE gun possession is a non-violent offense.

Notice how all federal law enforcement is built around offences black men can easily be charged with, thus stripping them of their voting rights. Do you think it's an accident that since Ronald Reagan was elected, the number of black and brown men in federal penitentiaries has skyrocked 80,000 in 1980, to nearly 800,000 in 2008?

The 14th amendment makes it legal to use prisoners as slave labor. Until we change that it will always be profitable to lock people up.

 

[JoeB131]

Hey...shit head......I agree......you shouldn't have to sneak your kid into another school....you should just be able to use the public funds designated for education to send your kid to whatever school you can get that kid into.....it is shitheads like you that prevent black and hispanic kids from escaping democrat party crap schools...that is you, you idiot.

Nope, subsidizing the Catholic Church is not a solution. Try to keep on topic The issue is why the nice white lady got 11 days at a resort, and the black lady got 5 years of hard time.

You fight school choice...you fight vouchers.....you want those kids trapped in the schools that do not teach them....not us.

Because they aren't solutions. Vouchers will just be another middle class entitlement. (AKA White People Welfare), because the problem with School Choice is that St. Mary's won't take the kid with ADHD, the kid with Down Syndrome or the kid who has violence issues. They'll happily take the nice white middle class kid who was probably doing just fine at a suburban public school.

It is your system that forces that mother to only send her kid to the school in her neighborhood instead of to whatever school they can get into...that's on you.

School Choice, school vouchers where the whole freight of the tuition follows the kid would give minority kids a future....but you don't want that. You want them trapped.

No, we don't want more resources drained from the public schools... The problem is that School Choice really doesn't work. Milwaukee tried it. The kids with vouchers did the same as the kids who remained in public schools.

The agenda is that unionized teachers are a powerful force for reform.. and you can't have that.

 

[JoeB131]

So how much money did it cost this person she ripped off?

Probably a lifetime of missed opportunities when she had to go to a second or third tier school.

you do get there's a reason why these rich assholes spent so much money to get their underachieving kids into good schools, right? Because having a degree from Harvard of Stanford opens a lot more doors than a state university or a community college.

Over half of my property taxes go to support our schools. So don't give me this bullshit that when some lowlife brings their kids into our school system is not ripping me off. The more kids in our schools, the more classrooms they need to have. The more classrooms they need to have, the more teachers they need to hire with wages and benefits that we pay for. the more classrooms and teachers, the higher our taxes go.

Tell us again how not racist you are Ray, that shit never gets old.

We had this exact same problem years ago. Lowlife kids were coming here from Cleveland to go to our suburban schools. Teachers assaulted once a month or more, drug activity on the grounds, police constantly being called to those schools to break up gang fights. People with civilized children moving out because of the dangerous environment lowlife kids created.

People who sneak their lowlife violent criminal children into our school system should be locked up for the minimum of 10 years.

yeah, that'll teach them.. and if that doesn't work, we get some thug cop to shoot them for playing with toys.

 

[2aguy]

so then you're not serious about controlling crime.

Sure I am. First thing, realize what we are doing doesn't work.

Second thing, fix the underlying CAUSES of crime- racism, poverty, mental illness

Third things, get rid of the ******* guns because they make being a criminal a lot easier than it would be if they weren't available.

If the democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians would stop releasing violent gun offenders over and over again, that would stop the gun crime problem....

If you arrested and kept felons caught with guns locked up for 20-30 years for that violation, that would stop gun crime and murder.

If you kept gun criminals who use guns in crimes locked up for life, that would stop gun crime cold.......you would see a 95% or more drop in gun crime over night...

But no....the democrat party keeps releasing the actual gun criminals who do all of the shootings in these democrat party controlled cities..

You have to explain that, and you won't..

Once again, and I'll say it every time I see your suggestion: If an armed robber robs you with a knife, are you any less robbed? Raped at knife point instead of at gun point - any less raped? There's no such thing as a gun crime. Punish crime and lock up criminals and crime will go down.

You don't understand the point................

The anti-gun extremists use crime as an excuse to take guns away from normal people, while they release violent gun criminals over and over again......to undermine their argument, you show that 1) they don't care about stopping actual crime, and 2) the way you actually stop the gun crime they focus on is by stopping criminals........not taking guns from normal gun owners.

 

[2aguy]

Hey...shit head......I agree......you shouldn't have to sneak your kid into another school....you should just be able to use the public funds designated for education to send your kid to whatever school you can get that kid into.....it is shitheads like you that prevent black and hispanic kids from escaping democrat party crap schools...that is you, you idiot.

Nope, subsidizing the Catholic Church is not a solution. Try to keep on topic The issue is why the nice white lady got 11 days at a resort, and the black lady got 5 years of hard time.

You fight school choice...you fight vouchers.....you want those kids trapped in the schools that do not teach them....not us.

Because they aren't solutions. Vouchers will just be another middle class entitlement. (AKA White People Welfare), because the problem with School Choice is that St. Mary's won't take the kid with ADHD, the kid with Down Syndrome or the kid who has violence issues. They'll happily take the nice white middle class kid who was probably doing just fine at a suburban public school.

It is your system that forces that mother to only send her kid to the school in her neighborhood instead of to whatever school they can get into...that's on you.

School Choice, school vouchers where the whole freight of the tuition follows the kid would give minority kids a future....but you don't want that. You want them trapped.

No, we don't want more resources drained from the public schools... The problem is that School Choice really doesn't work. Milwaukee tried it. The kids with vouchers did the same as the kids who remained in public schools.

The agenda is that unionized teachers are a powerful force for reform.. and you can't have that.

Moron....we subsidize Notre Dame with federal tax dollars...you idiot.......

You don't want school choice and vouchers because you don't care about the kids.......you want to protect the teachers unions...you idiot.

Vouchers are not an entitlement, they focus the resources on the kid, rather than the teachers union....this allows as many children as possible to get an education vs. trapping all of the in destructive, democrat party run schools......

Teachers unions aren't for reform of any sort.....they are one of the poisons that are destroying the lives of inner city children...you idiot......

Vouchers and Choice will save lives.......

 

[2aguy]

Hey...shit head......I agree......you shouldn't have to sneak your kid into another school....you should just be able to use the public funds designated for education to send your kid to whatever school you can get that kid into.....it is shitheads like you that prevent black and hispanic kids from escaping democrat party crap schools...that is you, you idiot.

Nope, subsidizing the Catholic Church is not a solution. Try to keep on topic The issue is why the nice white lady got 11 days at a resort, and the black lady got 5 years of hard time.

You fight school choice...you fight vouchers.....you want those kids trapped in the schools that do not teach them....not us.

Because they aren't solutions. Vouchers will just be another middle class entitlement. (AKA White People Welfare), because the problem with School Choice is that St. Mary's won't take the kid with ADHD, the kid with Down Syndrome or the kid who has violence issues. They'll happily take the nice white middle class kid who was probably doing just fine at a suburban public school.

It is your system that forces that mother to only send her kid to the school in her neighborhood instead of to whatever school they can get into...that's on you.

School Choice, school vouchers where the whole freight of the tuition follows the kid would give minority kids a future....but you don't want that. You want them trapped.

No, we don't want more resources drained from the public schools... The problem is that School Choice really doesn't work. Milwaukee tried it. The kids with vouchers did the same as the kids who remained in public schools.

The agenda is that unionized teachers are a powerful force for reform.. and you can't have that.

Hey....shit head......the religious and private schools have been back in class since August....full schedules, Lunch, recess, P.E.......the teachers unions have kept the inner city schools out since this mess started......they don't care about the kids.......since the kids don't spread the Chinese flu...you moron....

The teachers unions have robbed poor, minority kids of over a year of education.....a year they will never make up, and which will wreck their lives even more......

The teachers unions are a poison on our education system.

 

[JoeB131]

You don't want school choice and vouchers because you don't care about the kids.......you want to protect the teachers unions...you idiot.

Naw, I don't want it because it doesn't work. Now, for those playing along at home, I was a product of Catholic education. I even went to De La Salle High School (You should know that one, being from Chicago). The thing was, because my parents were fronting their own money to inflict their awful religion on me, they where actually involved and committed.

you give a voucher to a parent who isn't committed, he's not going to suddenly be committed because you gave him a voucher.

Vouchers are not an entitlement, they focus the resources on the kid, rather than the teachers union....this allows as many children as possible to get an education vs. trapping all of the in destructive, democrat party run schools......

But they'll end up becoming an entitlement. I know my parents would have LOVED to have gotten vouchers to send the five of us to Catholic Schools. Particularly in the 1970's when Nixon and Ford really messed up the economy. The problem is, when you institute voucher, how do you determine who gets them? You'd have to make them available to the people sending their kids to private schools now.

The other end of the equation- as stated- is that the Catholic schools won't suddenly open the doors to the gang-bangers, the learning disabled, etc. They'll just pick the students that will give them the highest chance of keeping those numbers up. School "Choice" works both ways.

Teachers unions aren't for reform of any sort.....they are one of the poisons that are destroying the lives of inner city children...

Vouchers and Choice will save lives.......

Again, Milwaukee tried it and it failed miserable. A lot of the new schools that popped up to meet the new demand were closed pretty quickly when it was determined they couldn't even reach the Public School's low standards on testing. In fact, 41% of the schools participating were closed down in one year.

School failure in Milwaukee's school voucher program

By Amber M. Northern, Ph.D.

fordhaminstitute.org

Hey..........the religious and private schools have been back in class since August....full schedules, Lunch, recess, P.E.......the teachers unions have kept the inner city schools out since this mess started......they don't care about the kids.......since the kids don't spread the Chinese flu...you moron....

The teachers unions have robbed poor, minority kids of over a year of education.....a year they will never make up, and which will wreck their lives even more......

The teachers unions are a poison on our education system.

yes, Covid (TRUMP PLAGUE) has been a tragedy.... Too bad we didn't have a COMPETENT president to deal with it.

Again, if you are wealthy enough to send your kids to Catholic Schools, you are wealthy enough to get regular medical treatment and screening. Poorer kids and communities have been more vulnerable to TRUMP PLAGUE since it broke out.

 

[2aguy]

You don't want school choice and vouchers because you don't care about the kids.......you want to protect the teachers unions...you idiot.

Naw, I don't want it because it doesn't work. Now, for those playing along at home, I was a product of Catholic education. I even went to De La Salle High School (You should know that one, being from Chicago). The thing was, because my parents were fronting their own money to inflict their awful religion on me, they where actually involved and committed.

you give a voucher to a parent who isn't committed, he's not going to suddenly be committed because you gave him a voucher.

Vouchers are not an entitlement, they focus the resources on the kid, rather than the teachers union....this allows as many children as possible to get an education vs. trapping all of the in destructive, democrat party run schools......

But they'll end up becoming an entitlement. I know my parents would have LOVED to have gotten vouchers to send the five of us to Catholic Schools. Particularly in the 1970's when Nixon and Ford really messed up the economy. The problem is, when you institute voucher, how do you determine who gets them? You'd have to make them available to the people sending their kids to private schools now.

The other end of the equation- as stated- is that the Catholic schools won't suddenly open the doors to the gang-bangers, the learning disabled, etc. They'll just pick the students that will give them the highest chance of keeping those numbers up. School "Choice" works both ways.

Teachers unions aren't for reform of any sort.....they are one of the poisons that are destroying the lives of inner city children...

Vouchers and Choice will save lives.......

Again, Milwaukee tried it and it failed miserable. A lot of the new schools that popped up to meet the new demand were closed pretty quickly when it was determined they couldn't even reach the Public School's low standards on testing. In fact, 41% of the schools participating were closed down in one year.

School failure in Milwaukee's school voucher program

By Amber M. Northern, Ph.D.

fordhaminstitute.org

Hey..........the religious and private schools have been back in class since August....full schedules, Lunch, recess, P.E.......the teachers unions have kept the inner city schools out since this mess started......they don't care about the kids.......since the kids don't spread the Chinese flu...you moron....

The teachers unions have robbed poor, minority kids of over a year of education.....a year they will never make up, and which will wreck their lives even more......

The teachers unions are a poison on our education system.

yes, Covid (TRUMP PLAGUE) has been a tragedy.... Too bad we didn't have a COMPETENT president to deal with it.

Again, if you are wealthy enough to send your kids to Catholic Schools, you are wealthy enough to get regular medical treatment and screening. Poorer kids and communities have been more vulnerable to TRUMP PLAGUE since it broke out.

You point to one place....maybe.......and each time they are fighting the teachers unions. Meanwhile, vouchers and choice give families that do care about their children but who are stuck in democrat party controlled schools the chance to educate their children without assholes like you telling them they have to stay in hell hole schools simply because you want to make sure the teachers unions can funnel money to democrat party politicians......

Vouchers put the money under the control of the parent, not the teachers union.....Choice, just like every other product, will improve education for all children....the teachers unions and the democrat party have a monopoly....and that is why public education sucks.

 

[JoeB131]

You point to one place....maybe.......and each time they are fighting the teachers unions. Meanwhile, vouchers and choice give families that do care about their children but who are stuck in democrat party controlled schools the chance to educate their children without assholes like you telling them they have to stay in hell hole schools simply because you want to make sure the teachers unions can funnel money to democrat party politicians......

Vouchers put the money under the control of the parent, not the teachers union.....Choice, just like every other product, will improve education for all children....the teachers unions and the democrat party have a monopoly....and that is why public education sucks.

you just ignored all the points I made, didn't you.

Okay. Here's a simple thought exercise ... let's see if you can keep up. I'll make the numbers small so you can keep up.

You have a Public School system that has 100 Students, and spends $10,000 a student. You now give each family a voucher. But then you also have 30 Students who are currently enrolled in a Catholic School. They also claim vouchers. So now you are taking that $1,000,000 and dividing it 130 ways instead of 100 ways. Not to mention all the additional administration required to make sure that none of those vouchers are going to scam schools like the 41% of the schools in Milwaukee that popped up and had to be closed down because they couldn't even meet minimum requirements. So let's take about 10% off the top of the budget for administration.

So now instead of spending $10,000 a student, you are spending $6923 per student. Of course, the Catholic school isn't taking any more students than they were before...that would require a major investment in infrastructure. So who is going to create all these new classrooms? Where are you going to find teachers? You think someone is going to rush out to get what a Catholic school pays. (My mother and my niece both taught at Catholic Schools... the pay ain't great!)

The problem here is that with a "choice" model, means you are going to get cheaper, not necessarily better. that's probably fine when you are buying widgets, but educating your kid, not so much.

 

[2aguy]

You point to one place....maybe.......and each time they are fighting the teachers unions. Meanwhile, vouchers and choice give families that do care about their children but who are stuck in democrat party controlled schools the chance to educate their children without assholes like you telling them they have to stay in hell hole schools simply because you want to make sure the teachers unions can funnel money to democrat party politicians......

Vouchers put the money under the control of the parent, not the teachers union.....Choice, just like every other product, will improve education for all children....the teachers unions and the democrat party have a monopoly....and that is why public education sucks.

you just ignored all the points I made, didn't you.

Okay. Here's a simple thought exercise ... let's see if you can keep up. I'll make the numbers small so you can keep up.

You have a Public School system that has 100 Students, and spends $10,000 a student. You now give each family a voucher. But then you also have 30 Students who are currently enrolled in a Catholic School. They also claim vouchers. So now you are taking that $1,000,000 and dividing it 130 ways instead of 100 ways. Not to mention all the additional administration required to make sure that none of those vouchers are going to scam schools like the 41% of the schools in Milwaukee that popped up and had to be closed down because they couldn't even meet minimum requirements. So let's take about 10% off the top of the budget for administration.

So now instead of spending $10,000 a student, you are spending $6923 per student. Of course, the Catholic school isn't taking any more students than they were before...that would require a major investment in infrastructure. So who is going to create all these new classrooms? Where are you going to find teachers? You think someone is going to rush out to get what a Catholic school pays. (My mother and my niece both taught at Catholic Schools... the pay ain't great!)

The problem here is that with a "choice" model, means you are going to get cheaper, not necessarily better. that's probably fine when you are buying widgets, but educating your kid, not so much.

Moron.......

When you have a market, you have people who create the product for that market....

1) Public schools that have to compete for educational dollars will improve.....or they close down and another school opens up to take it's place.

2) New schools will open up to educate the millions of newly freed children.

3) Competition, as it does in every other aspect of society, will improve both public and private education.

4) Special needs children will get more help because schools will open to help them....versus the shitty democrat party public schools who can't or won't help them.

And the key is? You dumb ass......

The parents can leave bad schools and take their money with them......do you not understand that? You don't understand that point........right now they are stuck....they can only move from one bad democrat party controlled school to another if they are poor......they have no ability to change schools when the school they are in sucks.......

With money following the student.........just like in college with the ******* G.I. Bill.......you get better education, not worse.........

Our universities are the best in the world because they have to compete for students...public shit hole schools controlled by the democrat party can churn out kids who can't read, or do math, and the administrators and teachers still get paid..........the parents can't escape...you idiot.

With Vouchers and Choice, the parents can escape......

 

[freyasman]

I'm just saying if a pistol is used in a shooting during a carjacking or a robbery, the cops don't go to the guy who bought it 8 years ago and then had it stolen from his truck, and begin treating him as a suspect in the shooting; that doesn't happen.
Unless they actually recover the gun, they can't trace it at all, and they know damn good and well the guy in the suburbs who bought it back when, wasn't involved in some gang beef shooting at a waffle house, or a robbery.

Most gun crimes seldom happening with the criminal using a legal gun. But what they do is find out where the gun went after it left the buyers hands hopefully leading to the ultimate user of the person who committed the crime. If a crime was committed with a gun you owned but sold to somebody at a gun show or out of the paper, you could at least give them a description of the buyer if you didn't take his information or snapshot of his drivers license.

One of the first things they do I'm sure is to run the gun to see it's history. If it was reported stolen two years ago, they won't even bother you because you don't know who stole your gun and can't help them. If it's stolen from your home and you don't report it, you won't be able to file a claim with your insurance company because you need a police report for that.

The last gun I purchased was 10 years ago. After I paid for the gun, the store had to fire a shot from it to get the ballistics from the bullet that identifies the gun, and they send that information to authorities for them to enter it in the national database. So even if there is no gun, they know by ballistics that the bullet came from your weapon.

I don't buy or sell guns in private purchases. I don't want to buy a gun that was used in any crimes and I don't want to sell to a person that might commit crimes with the gun I sell him.

And what I was pointing out, is that that really isn't a concern.
Now, I most always buy new as well, but that's mostly because I want to be able to return it if I get a defective product.

A lot of people advocate private face to face sales to avoid a record the government can use to figure out who has what, but personally, I don't care..... if they come hard looking for our guns, that's the time to be killing them, not coming up with a good story to tell them.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The problem here is that with a "choice" model, means you are going to get cheaper, not necessarily better. that's probably fine when you are buying widgets, but educating your kid, not so much.

That should be up to the parents to decide--not the government.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Hey....shit head......the religious and private schools have been back in class since August....full schedules, Lunch, recess, P.E.......the teachers unions have kept the inner city schools out since this mess started......they don't care about the kids.......since the kids don't spread the Chinese flu...you moron....

The teachers unions have robbed poor, minority kids of over a year of education.....a year they will never make up, and which will wreck their lives even more......

The teachers unions are a poison on our education system.

Of course the teachers union fought to keep teachers out of school. I say that's fine. But if you're not going to do the job you are getting paid for sitting at home, then you don't get paid. You'd see how fast they would have opened the schools safely.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, we don't want more resources drained from the public schools... The problem is that School Choice really doesn't work. Milwaukee tried it. The kids with vouchers did the same as the kids who remained in public schools.

The agenda is that unionized teachers are a powerful force for reform.. and you can't have that.

So where do you get this idea that voucher money comes from public schools? It's a federal voucher just like HUD people get. The public school is still being funded by tax dollars and not one dime less.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Probably a lifetime of missed opportunities when she had to go to a second or third tier school.

you do get there's a reason why these rich assholes spent so much money to get their underachieving kids into good schools, right? Because having a degree from Harvard of Stanford opens a lot more doors than a state university or a community college.

It's also peer pressure from others of their kind who do have kids in those schools. If somebody does not get a seat at a prestigious school, they'll simply go to the next one, not a community college or state university.

Tell us again how not racist you are Ray, that shit never gets old.

I have one better: tell us again me where I mentioned anything about race.

yeah, that'll teach them.. and if that doesn't work, we get some thug cop to shoot them for playing with toys.

It will prevent people from trying to sneak their kids into schools where they don't belong. A strong enough deterrent works every time it's tried.

 

[JoeB131]

Moron.......

When you have a market, you have people who create the product for that market....

1) Public schools that have to compete for educational dollars will improve.....or they close down and another school opens up to take it's place.

Except those schools won't be any better. They'll probably be worse. Anyone can open a store front in a strip mall, call it a school, collect their money for a year and close down. That's exactly what happened in Milwaukee, where 41% of the "schools" that opened to get those sweet, sweet vouchers closed down in a year.

2) New schools will open up to educate the millions of newly freed children.

Same problem. these schools will come and go... someone will make money, and the kids won't get any better education.

3) Competition, as it does in every other aspect of society, will improve both public and private education.

Except that's not true. Do you think "Competition" has made the news media any better? It's made it more profitable, but you look at Fox and MSNBC, it isn't any better.

4) Special needs children will get more help because schools will open to help them....versus the shitty democrat party public schools who can't or won't help them.

You think anyone is going to spend the money on Special Needs kids. Now, here's the thing. If you give each parent a voucher, and you have your private school, and parents come to you with your $6923.00 voucher, are you going to take little Timmy, who you can educate for probably $5000, or are you going to take little Corky, who you have to spend a lot of money accommedating, and then you have to hire specialists and spend $20,000 on him? This isn't complicated. There's a reason why Catholic Schools don't take the special needs kids.

The parents can leave bad schools and take their money with them......do you not understand that? You don't understand that point........right now they are stuck....they can only move from one bad democrat party controlled school to another if they are poor......they have no ability to change schools when the school they are in sucks.......

That's a good reason to improve the schools. The thing is, the first line of defense on education isn't the school, it's the parent. if you aren't making your kid do his homework, letting him watch TV for six hours a day when he should be studying, giving him a voucher isn't going to fix that.

The reason why private schools work is because the parents ARE invested.

With money following the student.........just like in college with the ******* G.I. Bill.......you get better education, not worse.........

Wow, Dick Tiny, the master of bad analogies. Here's what you get with a lot of these for profit colleges.

How Corinthian Colleges, a for-profit behemoth, suddenly imploded - Reveal

Corinthian Colleges was one of the world’s largest for-profit college chains – and one of the biggest moneymakers. But even in a boom-and-bust business, its closure and bankruptcy in 2015 was a remarkable collapse.

revealnews.org

Of America’s $1.3 trillion in student debt, about $260 billion was racked up by students at for-profit colleges: technical schools that offer expensive vocational programs and the prospect of high-paying jobs.

Some for-profit schools deliver the goods. But studies show that students at these schools take on more debt than other students – and have more trouble landing good jobs.

Our universities are the best in the world because they have to compete for students...public shit hole schools controlled by the democrat party can churn out kids who can't read, or do math, and the administrators and teachers still get paid..........the parents can't escape...you idiot.

Our universities are the best in the world because they are run by liberals and funded by the government.

I'm not sure why you are using universities as good example, as the cost of a college education has increased by ridiculous amounts... If you ran public education that way with vouchers, pricing would explode.

 

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Moron.......

When you have a market, you have people who create the product for that market....

1) Public schools that have to compete for educational dollars will improve.....or they close down and another school opens up to take it's place.

Except those schools won't be any better. They'll probably be worse. Anyone can open a store front in a strip mall, call it a school, collect their money for a year and close down. That's exactly what happened in Milwaukee, where 41% of the "schools" that opened to get those sweet, sweet vouchers closed down in a year.

2) New schools will open up to educate the millions of newly freed children.

Same problem. these schools will come and go... someone will make money, and the kids won't get any better education.

3) Competition, as it does in every other aspect of society, will improve both public and private education.

Except that's not true. Do you think "Competition" has made the news media any better? It's made it more profitable, but you look at Fox and MSNBC, it isn't any better.

4) Special needs children will get more help because schools will open to help them....versus the shitty democrat party public schools who can't or won't help them.

You think anyone is going to spend the money on Special Needs kids. Now, here's the thing. If you give each parent a voucher, and you have your private school, and parents come to you with your $6923.00 voucher, are you going to take little Timmy, who you can educate for probably $5000, or are you going to take little Corky, who you have to spend a lot of money accommedating, and then you have to hire specialists and spend $20,000 on him? This isn't complicated. There's a reason why Catholic Schools don't take the special needs kids.

The parents can leave bad schools and take their money with them......do you not understand that? You don't understand that point........right now they are stuck....they can only move from one bad democrat party controlled school to another if they are poor......they have no ability to change schools when the school they are in sucks.......

That's a good reason to improve the schools. The thing is, the first line of defense on education isn't the school, it's the parent. if you aren't making your kid do his homework, letting him watch TV for six hours a day when he should be studying, giving him a voucher isn't going to fix that.

The reason why private schools work is because the parents ARE invested.

With money following the student.........just like in college with the ******* G.I. Bill.......you get better education, not worse.........

Wow, Dick Tiny, the master of bad analogies. Here's what you get with a lot of these for profit colleges.

How Corinthian Colleges, a for-profit behemoth, suddenly imploded - Reveal

Corinthian Colleges was one of the world’s largest for-profit college chains – and one of the biggest moneymakers. But even in a boom-and-bust business, its closure and bankruptcy in 2015 was a remarkable collapse.

revealnews.org

Of America’s $1.3 trillion in student debt, about $260 billion was racked up by students at for-profit colleges: technical schools that offer expensive vocational programs and the prospect of high-paying jobs.

Some for-profit schools deliver the goods. But studies show that students at these schools take on more debt than other students – and have more trouble landing good jobs.

Our universities are the best in the world because they have to compete for students...public shit hole schools controlled by the democrat party can churn out kids who can't read, or do math, and the administrators and teachers still get paid..........the parents can't escape...you idiot.

Our universities are the best in the world because they are run by liberals and funded by the government.

I'm not sure why you are using universities as good example, as the cost of a college education has increased by ridiculous amounts... If you ran public education that way with vouchers, pricing would explode.

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Giving parents choice and vouchers allows them to improve the education of their children.....you want control more than you want actual results......

Our universities are the best in the world because they actually have to compete for students...the public schools do not....that is why they suck.

Special needs? You give them a bigger voucher, you twit......then you will have schools that open up to cater to their needs.....instead of the public schools that warehouse them....you idiot...

Competition makes everything better...from cellphones, to cars to healthcare.....you simply want control ........no matte how many lives the public schools destroy.