Colorado judge strikes down AR-15 ban, and over 10 round magazine ban....good.

Governed equals Regulated. As in for the good of the general Public Safety in this case. I, for one, don't take the last part of the 2nd amendment verbatum. And neither did Hell V which is the gold standard for Gun Laws in this Nation.

Nothing at all in the Constitution about the good of the general Public Safety.. I checked and it's just not there. If you don't take the Constitution verbatim then just how do you take it? As a suggestion or general guideline when it fits the agenda of the political party in charge of the Whitehouse?

By Hell V, I assume you mean Heller. Heller is certainly NOT the gold standard for gun laws in the United States. It's an important case in that it did affirm the individual right to keep and bear arms but there are things that Scalia got wrong - Scalia actually was a gun controller; just not as extreme as, say, Chuck Schumer. Heller also didn't address many key points of gun control.

The ONLY reason the Supreme Court got involved was there are no state rights involved. DC isn't a state. The Modern Supreme Court avoids 2nd Amendment issues like the plague as it's States Rights and is actually outside of their venue.

Wrong.....it avoids 2nd Amendment cases because the court had been split 4-4, real Justices vs the left wing activist judges and neither side trusted where Roberts would fall on 2nd Amendment issues.

They already ruled that the Bill of Rights applies to the States as well....so again, you don't know what you are talking about.
 
But guns get misused. All I am trying to do is to agree with the "LAW" that limits the amount of ammo carried. That, alone, keeps the body count to a lower level when they ARE misused.

You have zero evidence to backup that claim.

That is logic. Let’s say I have a five shot revolver. Obviously I can’t shoot fifty people. At least not without reloading nine times.

Conversely if the revolver is a .357 Magnum, the damage done would be significantly worse than if I was using a less powerful cartridge of the type normally found in high capacity magazines.

And the damage from a .44 Magnum would be catastrophic by comparison.

That is something the focus on magazine capacity crew never understands. If High Capacity Mags are not available people will gravitate towards the more powerful cartridges again. A .308 is roughly speaking twice as powerful as a .223 and that means more damage to the person.

In fact a .30 cal rifle cartridge is probably going to be a through and through wound. In other words there is a good possibility that you will wound a second firing into a crowd.

But people don’t understand science. And ballistics as well as firearms are a science. Even pro gun people allow bias to influence them.

Which due to size of gun and cartridge size and weight limits the number of rounds available. In the Military, there is a huge size and power difference between an Assault Rifle (.556) versus a full blown Battle Rifle (7.62 or bigger). And the cost of the Battle Rifle (even in semi auto) will far exceed most fruitcake shooters pocket books. And trying to use a hunting version is just stupid.


Yeah......you used the term "Assault" rifle like it was a real term.....you are a fake.........you are pretending to be something your use of terms shows you are not.......thanks for revealing yourself...
 
Wrong, and wrong.....none of the mass public shootings would have been affected by limiting to 15 round magazines....and, of course, they aren't calling for a 15 round limit but a 10 round limit because they know that bans million upon millions of pistols without having to vote to ban those pistols...they are just banning magazines....

Lifting the ban didn't change anything......

You are just pulling this crap out of your butt and you think people will think you sound correct....and you are not......

Actual research on magazine capacity and mass public shootings.....

SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class research journals
Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN

Brilliant find. I've never seen that analysis before; thanks for posting it.


Keep it and use it........
 
No, it has not been taken yet. What they have in their gun bill now is forcing all gun purchasers to submit to a psychological exam at the cost of $800.00, get a federal license, and anybody you may have had a disagreement with can voice their opposition to you getting that license in which to buy that gun. It may be an ex-wife, an ex-girlfriend, a neighbor or family member. The shrink will be the one questioning these people, and I'm sure a lot of good people won't be able to get one, because the Democrats will likely choose who those shrinks are, which will be anti-gun leftists like themselves.

again, if you have a neighbor or a family member who says, "Holy Shit, that's guy's crazy", that sounds like a great reason to keep them from getting guns.

Every last time we have a mass shooting, we find out everyone in the guy's life KNEW he was crazy, and he was able to get a gun anyway.

Imagine what would have happened on Tuesday if the Massage Parlor Shooter had to pay $800.00 bucks and they asked his family who just threw him out for watching Porn if he should have a gun.

You mean like the Parkland shooter, who committed several felonies that would have prohibited him from getting a gun....but obama's "Promise Program" prevented the police from arresting him and giving him that criminal record....or the over 30 interactions with the police including domestic problems that he had?

You don't know what you are talking about.....
 
In their minds, if you have a hobby you enjoy, that makes you a nut. Well why aren't people who love sports considered nuts, or people who go to movies constantly, or people who collect coins and have several cars?

Because you can't kill a person with a movie or a coin.


You can kill more people with a rental Truck in 5 minutes of driving than you can with a rifle firing into a tightly packed crowd of over 22,000 people.....you dimwit...

Las Vegas shooting... 61 killed

Nice, FRance, rental Truck....86 killed
 
You mean like the Parkland shooter, who committed several felonies that would have prohibited him from getting a gun....but obama's "Promise Program" prevented the police from arresting him and giving him that criminal record....or the over 30 interactions with the police including domestic problems that he had?

By interaction, they meant any time police were called to the house.

Locking people up doesn't work. We lock up 2 million people, and STILL have the highest crime rare.

Hey, you can keep crazy people from getting guns without locking them up. I know, man. What a whacky idea.
 
You can kill more people with a rental Truck in 5 minutes of driving than you can with a rifle firing into a tightly packed crowd of over 22,000 people.....you dimwit...

Las Vegas shooting... 61 killed

Nice, FRance, rental Truck....86 killed

Wow, seriously? How many people were killed with trucks last year, and how many people were killed with guns last year?

Dumbshit.
 
2boy is a nutcase and will forever be in my ignore file. You, the other hand, actually discuss things. It's okay to disagree with me but do it respectfully. And I show the same thing.

Now, let's talk about power. The AR is on the weak side for a rifle bullet but it's still at least 3 times more powerful than a .357. It's penetration is many times that of your 9mm. You fire into a crowd, that one bullet goes through 2 and lodges into a third person or maybe even into the wall. Now, do it by pressing the trigger as fast as you can you can easily fire more than 400 rounds per minute not including Mag changes. I would figure that a person fluttering the trigger (including mag changes) can run through 4 mags in less than a minute. You don't need bump stocks at all. Just lots of ammo and large capacity mags. In the Aurora shooting, the shooter did almost all his shooting with his mothers AR with a 100 round mag. Luckily, it jammed right around round #50 or 56. he also had a handgun and a shotgun but those were spent pretty quick. He had the record until LV. But the wounded were staggering. There were many times the wounded than the dead. It's a target rich environment. Movie Houses and Concerts are all like that. Schools are for the functionally stupid mass shooter going for the record. What made the Movie House more of a potential death trap versus the outdoor concert, the movie house has no where to run to. The outdoor concert starts out target rich but it ends up people dispersing in every which direction fast. There also was a difference between a stupid, unskilled Teen versus an experienced shooter like in LV. We've already seen what a combat veteran can do with a handgun (California). Imagine if a recent Combat
Veteran were to load up like he was going into battle with an AR. How many people would die or be wounded in a target rich environment.

The days of the Turkey Shoot in the Schools is over. And the new record holder will have some pretty tall shoes to fill. But it will happen again unless we use Regulations to limit the body count. And that is all I am getting at. We won't stop some sicko from trying it but we can make it harder for him to get the equipment to do it without banning the actual rifle itself.

It won't make any difference in the world. I could kill just as many people with my 9mm as I can with my .357. Strength is irrelevant here, because mass shooters are not looking for blowing people into pieces, all they are looking for is a high death count and the ability to carry a large arsenal to their target. You could kill a lot of people with a .22 if you were using hollow points.

The movie guy passed several other theaters on his way to his selected one. Why was that? Because he selected a target that was a gun-free zone, like most mass shooters do. In Vegas, even if people were armed, it's very unlikely that anybody could send a handgun round to that exact room hitting the shooter. In essence, it was pretty much the same as choosing a gun-free zone; nobody had the ability to stop him.

Given the fact that most deaths caused by firearms are not with mass shootings, why are you so focused on them anyway? Most firearm deaths are done with handguns and not AR's. You will find more casualties and deaths during a holiday weekend in Chicago than you will with most mass shootings, which occur once or twice a year. And I mean real mass shootings that don't fit the FBI description of four or more deaths.

If you do have 2aguy on ignore as you claim, it's not because he's a nutcase, it's because you have no argument against him, his research, his sources, or extensive knowledge on firearms. So my suggestion is if you really want to know our side of the issue, take him off ignore, and you will learn a lot of things you never knew before.

Given the fact that most deaths caused by firearms are not with mass shootings, why are you so focused on them anyway?


That's easy....as a useful idiot for anti-gunners, Vrenn knows that if you aren't a criminal or the friend or family of a criminal, and you don't live in a democrat party controlled inner city voting district, you are likely never going to experience gun murder. However, with the democrat party press treating every mass public shooting as a public relations coup for the anti-gun movement, Vrenn knows you can scare normal, uninformed Americans into giving up their rights using mass public shootings.

We had 1 mass public shooting in 2020, 10 in 2019 in a country of over 320 million people...........73 people killed in 2019, 5 in 2019.......Cars killed over 35,000 last yeaar..........the rarest of rare events....but the democrat party media can make it seem like it is the most dangerous situation in the world.....so they use mass public shootings to push their anti-gun agenda...and Vrenn is helping that effort.
 
You mean like the Parkland shooter, who committed several felonies that would have prohibited him from getting a gun....but obama's "Promise Program" prevented the police from arresting him and giving him that criminal record....or the over 30 interactions with the police including domestic problems that he had?

By interaction, they meant any time police were called to the house.

Locking people up doesn't work. We lock up 2 million people, and STILL have the highest crime rare.

Hey, you can keep crazy people from getting guns without locking them up. I know, man. What a whacky idea.


And again, if you keep releasing violent gun offenders over and over again, you get gun crime...since the same guys are doing 99% of the gun crime and gun murder.......you don't have to lock up 2 million people to keep the gun criminals locked up you dimwit.

The democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians keep releasing violent gun offenders over and over again......criminals caught with illegal guns....criminals caught using illegal guns, criminals caught shooting at other people...and then they release them...over and over again..

That is the problem. The problem is not normal Americans who own and carry guns for self defense, sport and hunting.

Over 19.4 million Americans can now carry guns for self defense...and our gun murder rate dropped 49%, our gun crime rate dropped 75%.......normal Americans aren't the problem

It is asshats like you who let violent criminals out of prison and jail...you are the problem.
 
You can kill more people with a rental Truck in 5 minutes of driving than you can with a rifle firing into a tightly packed crowd of over 22,000 people.....you dimwit...

Las Vegas shooting... 61 killed

Nice, FRance, rental Truck....86 killed

Wow, seriously? How many people were killed with trucks last year, and how many people were killed with guns last year?

Dumbshit.

Hey, dipshit.....it's Vrenn who is talking about incidents vs. totals......if you go to totals.....cars killed 37,595 people.......guns used illegally killed 10,235...

You lose no matter how you put the numbers together, you dimwit.
 
And again, if you keep releasing violent gun offenders over and over again, you get gun crime...since the same guys are doing 99% of the gun crime and gun murder.......you don't have to lock up 2 million people to keep the gun criminals locked up you dimwit.

But we DO lock up 2 million people. We still have massive crime.

Germany only locks up 78,000.

Germany has far less crime than we do. They allow gun ownership, but it isn't a "right", you actually have to undergo pretty thorough background checks.

If locking people up were the answer for something as petty as "just having a gun while not being a white person", we'd have the prisons brimming with people.

The democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians keep releasing violent gun offenders over and over again......criminals caught with illegal guns....criminals caught using illegal guns, criminals caught shooting at other people...and then they release them...over and over again..

Again, we lock up 2 million people. Locking people up isn't the problem. Access to guns is.
 
But guns get misused. All I am trying to do is to agree with the "LAW" that limits the amount of ammo carried. That, alone, keeps the body count to a lower level when they ARE misused.

You have zero evidence to backup that claim.

That is logic. Let’s say I have a five shot revolver. Obviously I can’t shoot fifty people. At least not without reloading nine times.

Conversely if the revolver is a .357 Magnum, the damage done would be significantly worse than if I was using a less powerful cartridge of the type normally found in high capacity magazines.

And the damage from a .44 Magnum would be catastrophic by comparison.

That is something the focus on magazine capacity crew never understands. If High Capacity Mags are not available people will gravitate towards the more powerful cartridges again. A .308 is roughly speaking twice as powerful as a .223 and that means more damage to the person.

In fact a .30 cal rifle cartridge is probably going to be a through and through wound. In other words there is a good possibility that you will wound a second firing into a crowd.

But people don’t understand science. And ballistics as well as firearms are a science. Even pro gun people allow bias to influence them.

Which due to size of gun and cartridge size and weight limits the number of rounds available. In the Military, there is a huge size and power difference between an Assault Rifle (.556) versus a full blown Battle Rifle (7.62 or bigger). And the cost of the Battle Rifle (even in semi auto) will far exceed most fruitcake shooters pocket books. And trying to use a hunting version is just stupid.

Really? You do know with your extensive Military Experience that the 5.56 was chosen because it created “Militarily Significant Wounds” don’t you? The idea for the readers who don’t know is that one wounded soldier takes four people out of the battle. Two to carry the wounded and one to provide security, or carry excess equipment.

A dead guy takes one off the field. A wounded takes several. And the screams of the wounded demoralize the remaining soldiers. Making them less likely to be aggressive.

The other reason the 5.56 was chosen was suppression fire. Most rounds fired are meant to get the other guy to keep his head down. The 5.56 would allow the soldier to carry more ammo with the same weight.

How would the Las Vegas shooting have played out with a .308 hunting rifle? First. The slower fire would have delayed the discovery longer. Second. The numbers killed would probably have been higher. Third, by picking his shots he would have been able to hit one with a high likelihood of hitting two. I could go on.

In nearly all the mass shooting situations a different weapon would have done more damage. A shotgun in the school shootings. Two or more wounded with every trigger pull as one example.

The one thing the mass shootings have in common is the shooters use the technique of spray and pray. Random fire to maybe hit someone. By firing into crowds they increase the likelihood of hitting someone. But as statistics show roughly 10% of those hit actually die. If we are intending to save lives why do anything to increase the probability of someone dying?

A weapon is not a magic wand of death.

No it was chosen because it was a light and small round and soldiers could carry a lot of ammo.

In fact the military has long thought the 5.56 round was under powered and are currently reintroducing the 6.8 mm

 
And again, if you keep releasing violent gun offenders over and over again, you get gun crime...since the same guys are doing 99% of the gun crime and gun murder.......you don't have to lock up 2 million people to keep the gun criminals locked up you dimwit.

But we DO lock up 2 million people. We still have massive crime.

Germany only locks up 78,000.

Germany has far less crime than we do. They allow gun ownership, but it isn't a "right", you actually have to undergo pretty thorough background checks.

If locking people up were the answer for something as petty as "just having a gun while not being a white person", we'd have the prisons brimming with people.

The democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians keep releasing violent gun offenders over and over again......criminals caught with illegal guns....criminals caught using illegal guns, criminals caught shooting at other people...and then they release them...over and over again..

Again, we lock up 2 million people. Locking people up isn't the problem. Access to guns is.
we lock up more nonviolent criminals than any other country.

And over 60% of people in state and country jails have not been convicted of any crime and that's because our arraignment and bail procedures need an overhaul.
 
You mean like the Parkland shooter, who committed several felonies that would have prohibited him from getting a gun....but obama's "Promise Program" prevented the police from arresting him and giving him that criminal record....or the over 30 interactions with the police including domestic problems that he had?

By interaction, they meant any time police were called to the house.

Locking people up doesn't work. We lock up 2 million people, and STILL have the highest crime rare.

Hey, you can keep crazy people from getting guns without locking them up. I know, man. What a whacky idea.
T

Bullshit.

The only metric that we have that is consistently higher than European countries is murder.

And our murder rate is more due to the fact that we do not enforce our federal gun laws than it is to law abiding citizens owning guns
 
But guns get misused. All I am trying to do is to agree with the "LAW" that limits the amount of ammo carried. That, alone, keeps the body count to a lower level when they ARE misused.

You have zero evidence to backup that claim.

That is logic. Let’s say I have a five shot revolver. Obviously I can’t shoot fifty people. At least not without reloading nine times.

Conversely if the revolver is a .357 Magnum, the damage done would be significantly worse than if I was using a less powerful cartridge of the type normally found in high capacity magazines.

And the damage from a .44 Magnum would be catastrophic by comparison.

That is something the focus on magazine capacity crew never understands. If High Capacity Mags are not available people will gravitate towards the more powerful cartridges again. A .308 is roughly speaking twice as powerful as a .223 and that means more damage to the person.

In fact a .30 cal rifle cartridge is probably going to be a through and through wound. In other words there is a good possibility that you will wound a second firing into a crowd.

But people don’t understand science. And ballistics as well as firearms are a science. Even pro gun people allow bias to influence them.

Which due to size of gun and cartridge size and weight limits the number of rounds available. In the Military, there is a huge size and power difference between an Assault Rifle (.556) versus a full blown Battle Rifle (7.62 or bigger). And the cost of the Battle Rifle (even in semi auto) will far exceed most fruitcake shooters pocket books. And trying to use a hunting version is just stupid.

Really? You do know with your extensive Military Experience that the 5.56 was chosen because it created “Militarily Significant Wounds” don’t you? The idea for the readers who don’t know is that one wounded soldier takes four people out of the battle. Two to carry the wounded and one to provide security, or carry excess equipment.

A dead guy takes one off the field. A wounded takes several. And the screams of the wounded demoralize the remaining soldiers. Making them less likely to be aggressive.

The other reason the 5.56 was chosen was suppression fire. Most rounds fired are meant to get the other guy to keep his head down. The 5.56 would allow the soldier to carry more ammo with the same weight.

How would the Las Vegas shooting have played out with a .308 hunting rifle? First. The slower fire would have delayed the discovery longer. Second. The numbers killed would probably have been higher. Third, by picking his shots he would have been able to hit one with a high likelihood of hitting two. I could go on.

In nearly all the mass shooting situations a different weapon would have done more damage. A shotgun in the school shootings. Two or more wounded with every trigger pull as one example.

The one thing the mass shootings have in common is the shooters use the technique of spray and pray. Random fire to maybe hit someone. By firing into crowds they increase the likelihood of hitting someone. But as statistics show roughly 10% of those hit actually die. If we are intending to save lives why do anything to increase the probability of someone dying?

A weapon is not a magic wand of death.

No it was chosen because it was a light and small round and soldiers could carry a lot of ammo.

In fact the military has long thought the 5.56 round was under powered and are currently reintroducing the 6.8 mm


I joined the Army in 1988. The articles I saw in gun magazines then, and since, were that the Military was switching from the 5.56 to some other round. Since that time, the beginnings of the A2 era, every couple years it is another weapon or ammo that will replace the M-16 or the 5.56.

They remain.

Why? NATO is a part of it. Our allies have the same ammo so we can supply each other in case of war. The same 5.56 round we use is able to be used in literally dozens of rifle types by a hundred countries.


The other part is that the same factors that led to our decisions before remain. Weight of weapon. Weight of ammo. Effectiveness. Reliability. And wound dynamics. The 5.56 checks the blocks.
 
In their minds, if you have a hobby you enjoy, that makes you a nut. Well why aren't people who love sports considered nuts, or people who go to movies constantly, or people who collect coins and have several cars?

Because you can't kill a person with a movie or a coin.







Propaganda video was the enumerated excuse for terrorist attacks all over the middle east. What happens in terrorist attacks?

Oh yeah, people die.

You imbecilic moron.
 
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And again, if you keep releasing violent gun offenders over and over again, you get gun crime...since the same guys are doing 99% of the gun crime and gun murder.......you don't have to lock up 2 million people to keep the gun criminals locked up you dimwit.

But we DO lock up 2 million people. We still have massive crime.

Germany only locks up 78,000.

Germany has far less crime than we do. They allow gun ownership, but it isn't a "right", you actually have to undergo pretty thorough background checks.

If locking people up were the answer for something as petty as "just having a gun while not being a white person", we'd have the prisons brimming with people.

The democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians keep releasing violent gun offenders over and over again......criminals caught with illegal guns....criminals caught using illegal guns, criminals caught shooting at other people...and then they release them...over and over again..

Again, we lock up 2 million people. Locking people up isn't the problem. Access to guns is.








Wrong, as usual. We lock up the wrong people.

You assholes continuously release the violent ones.
 
And again, if you keep releasing violent gun offenders over and over again, you get gun crime...since the same guys are doing 99% of the gun crime and gun murder.......you don't have to lock up 2 million people to keep the gun criminals locked up you dimwit.

The democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians keep releasing violent gun offenders over and over again......criminals caught with illegal guns....criminals caught using illegal guns, criminals caught shooting at other people...and then they release them...over and over again..

That is the problem. The problem is not normal Americans who own and carry guns for self defense, sport and hunting.

Over 19.4 million Americans can now carry guns for self defense...and our gun murder rate dropped 49%, our gun crime rate dropped 75%.......normal Americans aren't the problem

It is asshats like you who let violent criminals out of prison and jail...you are the problem.

Yep. This sad story is a great example of that.

INDIANAPOLIS — An Indianapolis quadruple murder suspect is in custody Tuesday, and court records say a stimulus check was the motive for the killings.

The affidavit filed in the case shows that after being arrested, the suspect, Malik Halfacre, confessed to the murders of four people inside a home on the southeast side of the city.

The victim’s family explained that Malik had a history of violence long before the murders.

In 2017, prosecutors claim Malik shot another man multiple times. That victim survived, and court records show Malik was charged with aggravated battery. A plea agreement later allowed him to plead guilty to a lesser charge of pointing a firearm, which resulted in a jail sentence of just a few months.


Prosecutors would only say witness cooperation complicated that case and resulted in the essential witnesses being excluded by the court.


That damn white privilege again, eh Joe?
 
Hey...Daryl hunt........you were saying about the colorado AR-15 ban?

Now, a Colorado judge has tossed the AR-15 ban in the trash bin, along with the provision prohibiting ownership of magazines that carry more than 10 rounds. That’s the backdoor gun ban right there. It’s not just about the rifle. It’s about curbing constitutional gun rights by these magazine laws.

A host of firearms that aren’t AR-15 rifles have magazines with more than 10 rounds. This law would effectively ban them too.


We all see what you’re doing here, liberal America (via Free Beacon):


A judge struck down Boulder, Colorado's ban on the possession of AR-15s and magazines holding more than 10 rounds on Monday.
Colorado state judge Andrew Hartman ruled the city's gun ban violated the state's preemption law, which prevents localities from imposing gun regulations above and beyond state law. Judge Hartman's ruling declares the ordinance invalid and immediately bars the city from enforcing the ban.
"The Court has determined that only Colorado state (or federal) law can prohibit the possession, sale, and transfer of assault weapons and large capacity magazines," Hartman wrote in the ruling.
The ruling is the latest in a string of victories for gun advocates who have used state preemption laws to overturn strict local gun regulations. A Washington court struck down a local ordinance on gun storage in February 2021, and a Pennsylvania court struck down Pittsburgh's attempt to regulate the use of AR-15s inside city limits in October 2019.
Jon Caldara, a longtime Boulder resident who openly flouted the AR-15 ban, said he was "thrilled" by the ruling. The former Denver Post columnist and Independence Institute president publicly announced he would not comply with the order to turn over his AR-15 or ammunition magazines when the ban was instituted in 2019. He filed a separate federal suit against the ordinance and said his family has received backlash from supporters ever since.

"I was probably the most publicly known criminal in Boulder," he told the Washington Free Beacon. "That made us social outcasts. And it was really bad. My daughter got bullied at school for our position."


I agree with the ruling since that was already established by the 9th Circuit Federal Court. But the State Law reads 15 as being the max. And that has been upheld in various courts.


And that is just dumb. Limiting bullets was simply a way to back door ban various types of pistols that take 15-19 rounds in their magazine. It was stupid and pointless.......

It's the law and has been upheld in Federal Courts.

No.....left wing judges on the federal courts have ignored the Supreme Court rullings on Heller, McDonald, Caetano, and Scalia in Friedman....

Reread Heller V. It doesn't say what you claim it does and,so far, it's been the basis for all Gun Court rulings.


I have read heller and I know the left wing judges ignore it.....and then make up their own rulings.......

And in Scalia's Dissent in Friedman he specifically states that the AR-15 is protected under the 2nd Amendment......by name. And since he wrote the decision in Heller, his statement in Friedman explains the AR-15 is protected............

I did a search for Friedman V and came up with quite a bit but it's about economics. How about giving us the rest of the Friedman V title so we can research it.


Here.....

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/15pdf/15-133_7l48.pdf


The question under Heller is not whether citizens have adequate alternatives available for self-defense.

Rather, Heller asks whether the law bans types of firearms commonly used for a lawful purpose—regardless of whether alternatives exist. 554 U. S., at 627–629. And Heller draws a distinction between such firearms and weapons specially adapted to unlawful uses and not in common use, such as sawed-off shotguns. Id., at 624–625.
The City’s ban is thus highly suspect because it broadly prohibits common semiautomatic firearms used for lawful purposes.



Roughly five million Americans own AR-style semiautomatic rifles. See 784 F. 3d, at 415, n. 3. The overwhelming majority of citizens who own and use such rifles do so for lawful purposes, including self-defense and target shooting. See ibid. Under our precedents, that is all that is needed for citizens to have a right under the Second Amendment to keep such weapons. See McDonald, 561 U. S., at 767–768; Heller, supra, at 628–629.

Do you know what Dissenting means for the Courts? It means you lost your argument and it was ruled the other way.

Now for the real Ruling.
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca7/14-3091/14-3091-2015-04-27.html
That is ARIE S. FRIEDMAN, ET AL. v. CITY OFHIGHLAND PARK, ILLINOIS in it's entirety. Banning the AR style (and the ruling specifically uses "AR" in it's ruling along with high capacity mags has been upheld in many Court Rulings from the East Coast to the West Coast. Those that just say "Assault Rifles" never passes muster in the courts because that includes a lot of fine hunting rifles. But by putting in a phrase of "AR and it's clones" makes it dead legal. This ruling supported the other court rulings. And does NOT go against Heller or McDonald at all.


Yes......they court did not hear that case...but....Scalia wrote the opinion in Heller......the opinion that rules how the court should have ruled on hearing that case.....and he stated, as the Majority opinion writer in Heller, that AR-15 rifles are protected rifles, by name...this is not a minority opinion writer commenting, this is the man who wrote the opinion in Heller so whatever he writes after goes directly to the meaning of Heller...

It is completely against Heller and ignores what the Supreme Court has stated not only in Heller but Miller, Caetano, and Scalia in Friedman.....

There was no ruling in Heller about any long guns. Again, you quote the losing side. The Winning side in Heller just dealt with handguns and licensing for DC.


No...it didn't.....it stated...

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf

Some have made the argument, bordering on the frivolous, that only those arms in existence in the 18th century are protected by the Second Amendment.

We do not interpret constitutional rights that way. Just as the First Amendment protects modern forms of communications, e.g., Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, 521 U. S. 844, 849 (1997), and the Fourth Amendment applies to modern forms of search, e.g., Kyllo v. United States, 533 U. S. 27, 35–36 (2001),
the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding.

Also.....Caetano v Massachusetts....Which came after Heller.....


Opinion of the Court[edit]



In a per curiam decision, the Supreme Court vacated the ruling of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court.

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As to “dangerous,” the court below held that a weapon is “dangerous per se” if it is “ ‘designed and constructed to produce death or great bodily harm’ and ‘for the purpose of bodily assault or defense.’” 470 Mass., at 779, 26 N. E. 3d, at 692 (quoting Commonwealth v. Appleby, 380 Mass. 296, 303, 402 N. E. 2d 1051, 1056 (1980)). That test may be appropriate for applying statutes criminalizing assault with a dangerous weapon. See ibid., 402 N. E. 2d, at 1056.


But it cannot be used to identify arms that fall outside the Second Amendment.



First, the relative dangerousness of a weapon is irrelevant when the weapon belongs to a class of arms commonly used for lawful purposes. See Heller, supra, at 627 (contrasting “‘dangerous and unusual weapons’” that may be banned with protected “weapons . . . ‘in common use at the time’”).



Second, even in cases where dangerousness might be relevant, the Supreme Judicial Court’s test sweeps far too broadly.


Heller defined the “Arms” covered by the Second Amendment to include “‘any thing that a man wears for his defence, or takes into his hands, or useth in wrath to cast at or strike another.’” 554 U. S., at 581.

Under the decision below, however, virtually every covered arm would qualify as “dangerous.” Were there any doubt on this point, one need only look at the court’s first example of “dangerous per se” weapons: “firearms.” 470 Mass., at 779, 26 N. E. 3d, at 692.



If Heller tells us anything, it is that firearms cannot be categorically prohibited just because they are dangerous. 554 U. S., at 636.



The Stun Gun was a bad decision and was overturned. As for Heller, here is the overview direct from Heller and NOT from the dissent which dissent is from the losing side. Here it is from the winning side.

64 DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER Opinion of the Court In sum, we hold that the District’s ban on handgun possession in the home violates the Second Amendment, as does its prohibition against rendering any lawful firearm in the home operable for the purpose of immediate self-defense. Assuming that Heller is not disqualified from the exercise of Second Amendment rights, the District must permit him to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home. * * *

We are aware of the problem of handgun violence in this country, and we take seriously the concerns raised by the many amici who believe that prohibition of handgunownership is a solution. The Constitution leaves the District of Columbia a variety of tools for combating thatproblem, including some measures regulating handguns, see supra, at 54–55, and n. 26. But the enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policychoices off the table. These include the absolute prohibition of handguns held and used for self-defense in the home. Undoubtedly some think that the Second Amendment is outmoded in a society where our standing army is the pride of our Nation, where well-trained police forces provide personal security, and where gun violence is a serious problem. That is perhaps debatable, but what isnot debatable is that it is not the role of this Court to pronounce the Second Amendment extinct.We affirm the judgment of the Court of Appeals. It is so ordered.


All the other crap you bring up is from the dissent which means nothing legally.


The Dissent from Scalia is in Friedman.......not Heller......

Scalia wrote the majority opinion in Heller, when the court refused to slap down the lower court by not taking the case, Scalia went on to explain Heller further.....stating that the AR-15 is protected....he wrote the opinion in Heller so it isn't a just a dissent.....the dissent was against them not doing their job and taking the case....his explanation in the Dissent is completely relevant to what he stated in Heller....

And Heller isn't just about handguns........

Scalia stated in Heller....

the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding.

You don't know what you are talking about.....that, right there, states that all bearable arms are protected by the 2nd Amendment under the majority opinion of the United States Supreme Court.....It also confirms the ruling in Miller....and just after Heller, the Supreme Court ruled that "Dangerous and Unusual" can't be used to ban guns.......using the case of stun guns as a way to define dangerous and unusual and those terms effect on Second Amendment law...

Show me the quote where Scalia specifically said that the AR was protected. I mean the whole paragraph. Your Red statement doesn't make sense until they overturn the 1934 NFA law.
an AR15 is a basic commonplace small caliber semiautomatic rifle and small caliber semiautomatic rifles have been on the civilian market for over 100 years.

The question is why do you think it needs to be banned?

And exactly where did I EVER say that they should be banned? What I stated is, they need to be regulated. Such as mag capacity. I agree with the courts in that 10 is too few and 15 is just enough. This breaks the cult status. And when that happened, the handgun once again became the weapon of choice. It also limited the body count. We may not be able to stop or even slow down the number of gun crimes but we can limit the body counts of those crimes.
why do they need to be regulated any more than any other small caliber rifle?

I have an old .22 rifle with a 17 shot internal magazine. I suppose you think that's too much?

And you can't get away from the fact that Ar15s are not used in crimes to any great degree so the gun isn't really the problem.

But when they are, it's usually devistating. Much more than your little popgun could ever be or even a sane handgun.

Rifles of any kind are used in 2% of murders. And I don't own an AR15 because I have no use for a small caliber rifle. The old .22 was given to me a long time ago and I haven't shot it in years because a .22 is useless for anything but plinking cans

and WTF is a sane handgun?

FYI I own more handguns than rifles as my primary reason for owning firearms is self defense

An insane handgun might be considered a 500 SW Magnum. Nothing illegal about it but it's just a bit nutz to fire it. It really has no use other than "Mine is Bigger than Yours". The full load 44 Mag borders just inside the sane.

The 22LR has always been a very good starter caliber for a young beginning shooter.

All the gunnutters are doing is sidestepping from the problem that although the rifle is used for only 2% (I won't question that) of the criminal shootings, it was used for going for the record for mass shootings because it was the best suited for it because that is exactly what it was designed to do when in full combat trim. What the common sense gun regs have done is removed the full combat trim of the AR rendering it unable to go for any new body count records. It's been part of a group of actions to discourage going for those new records with the AR. And it's worked.

Coming from a Military Standpoint, anything that lessens the body count on friendly forces is a good thing and should be done.
 
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