Colorado governor: Legalizing pot was bad idea

[AceRothstein]

Drug laws, like any other vice law, are primarily designed due to people who cannot handle "too much of a good thing." I myself have been able to use pot on occasion without any addiction or impact on my work or life, same as alcohol (and I love me some alcohol).

Where I digress from drug legalization advocates is the legalization of all drugs. Some to me have too much of a downside for users, i.e. with things like meth and heroin, where the ability to casually use with out acute societal and person side effects is far less than alcohol, pot, nicotine or caffeine. I would also add things like Ecstasy and magic mushrooms to the legalization category.

Any law against a vice must have a tangible, and overwhelming postitive impact on society vs. the cost, both in terms of economics, and when it comes to drug vices, on the cost of the reduction of our freedoms due to the needed zealous policing required to bring it about.

I'll be fifty this year and have smoked pot for 35 of those years yet I was able to retire early and lead a productive life.
And I also love my beer and whiskey.
It all boils down to personal responsibility really.
If you cant handle drinking it's not likely you'll do any better with pot,but thats on the individual.

when i was a kid 30+ years ago

smoked weed when it was cool and not so popular

havent smoked it since but then again i dont drink much either

Sounds like neither were your cup of tea.
I see three types when it comes to recreational mind altering substances.
Those who can take it or leave it like your case. Those who like it and can control it...and of course those that let it take over their lives.

And we don't ban things because a small percent can't handle it. We've already decided this by having casinos in Detroit.

Pot doesn't ruin your life. It enhances it. Lol. Like a really good cigarette. Pot just makes people lazy but hey we want to relax and enjoy ourselves

Like I said...I've smoked for 35 years. The problems arise when people smoke when ever they feel like it.

How many pots have you smoken?

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

******* Nancy Reagan and her war on drugs. And their anti science could have prevented a cure that might have cured Ronny of the Alzheimer's. So ignorant. Conservatives hold us back in so many ways.

I don't blame people who tried to ban this stuff back in the 70's and 80's. Back then, similar to the prohibition people in the 1910's and 1920's, they thought they could bend people to their will via enforcement, propaganda, and time.

The people I blame are the current crop, who refuse to see that the fight is being lost badly, and maybe it is time to step back, with Pot being the first step.

John Rockerfeller was still a supporter of temperance when he wrote his letter saying prohibition had failed and should be repealed, he just admitted that prohibition caused more problems than it fixed.

And I'm not so progressive I think heroine coke and crack or ecstacy or acid should be legal. Pots just not those other things.

Acid should not be in that group.

A little acid never hurt anyone that wasn't throwed off to begin with.

I don't agree with that statement. Acid would be one of the last ones I would consider legalizing without further research.

Acid has been researched.

Millions of people took acid in the '60s, and did not stare at the sun until blind, did not join Charlie Manson and kill people, did not have four headed babies, and did not get committed to institutions where they sat in rockers mumbling until they died.

Used with a lick of common sense, like hiding the car keys, it is far less dangerous in the long run than alcohol.

Of course there was the odd bad trip, which could usually be ended by changing the music, or taking the person into a different room, or outside.

Acid's bad name is mainly due to Reagan WAR ON DRUGS lies.

oh bull shit.

See ,you dummies cant even argue the merits of liberty without telling stupid, easily disproved lies.

All drugs are harmful if abused, most are harmful even if habitually used, some are harmful if used even occasionally , a few are harmful if even used once.

LSD is definitely a drug that is harmful if habitually used, and I've never heard of anyone that occasionally takes a hit of acid. It's very habit forming.

Much like guns ARE dangerous. That's their entire purpose, to be dangerous.

So what? In THIS country we are free to endanger ourselves if we wish. We are not free to endanger others. But , if you want to take a drug that may melt your brain go for it.

"Acid isn't bad for you"

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I'll be fifty this year and have smoked pot for 35 of those years yet I was able to retire early and lead a productive life.
And I also love my beer and whiskey.
It all boils down to personal responsibility really.
If you cant handle drinking it's not likely you'll do any better with pot,but thats on the individual.

when i was a kid 30+ years ago

smoked weed when it was cool and not so popular

havent smoked it since but then again i dont drink much either

Sounds like neither were your cup of tea.
I see three types when it comes to recreational mind altering substances.
Those who can take it or leave it like your case. Those who like it and can control it...and of course those that let it take over their lives.

And we don't ban things because a small percent can't handle it. We've already decided this by having casinos in Detroit.

Pot doesn't ruin your life. It enhances it. Lol. Like a really good cigarette. Pot just makes people lazy but hey we want to relax and enjoy ourselves

Like I said...I've smoked for 35 years. The problems arise when people smoke when ever they feel like it.

I am retired, so I smoke whenever I feel like it.

Yeah but we earned that.
To many people think they can get high before work.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

when i was a kid 30+ years ago

smoked weed when it was cool and not so popular

havent smoked it since but then again i dont drink much either

Sounds like neither were your cup of tea.
I see three types when it comes to recreational mind altering substances.
Those who can take it or leave it like your case. Those who like it and can control it...and of course those that let it take over their lives.

And we don't ban things because a small percent can't handle it. We've already decided this by having casinos in Detroit.

Pot doesn't ruin your life. It enhances it. Lol. Like a really good cigarette. Pot just makes people lazy but hey we want to relax and enjoy ourselves

Like I said...I've smoked for 35 years. The problems arise when people smoke when ever they feel like it.

I am retired, so I smoke whenever I feel like it.

Yeah but we earned that.
To many people think they can get high before work.

Yes , I loved that when CO was considering legalizing pot people were like "hell yeah, I'm moving to CO, my boss won't be able to fire me for smoking pot"

Uh yeah you're a real genius, you can afford to lose a few more brain cells LOL

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I'll be fifty this year and have smoked pot for 35 of those years yet I was able to retire early and lead a productive life.
And I also love my beer and whiskey.
It all boils down to personal responsibility really.
If you cant handle drinking it's not likely you'll do any better with pot,but thats on the individual.

when i was a kid 30+ years ago

smoked weed when it was cool and not so popular

havent smoked it since but then again i dont drink much either

Sounds like neither were your cup of tea.
I see three types when it comes to recreational mind altering substances.
Those who can take it or leave it like your case. Those who like it and can control it...and of course those that let it take over their lives.

And we don't ban things because a small percent can't handle it. We've already decided this by having casinos in Detroit.

Pot doesn't ruin your life. It enhances it. Lol. Like a really good cigarette. Pot just makes people lazy but hey we want to relax and enjoy ourselves

Like I said...I've smoked for 35 years. The problems arise when people smoke when ever they feel like it.

How many pots have you smoken?

None...I'm smart enough to know there is no advantage to smoking kitchen utensils. That and they'd be hard to keep lite...

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I don't blame people who tried to ban this stuff back in the 70's and 80's. Back then, similar to the prohibition people in the 1910's and 1920's, they thought they could bend people to their will via enforcement, propaganda, and time.

The people I blame are the current crop, who refuse to see that the fight is being lost badly, and maybe it is time to step back, with Pot being the first step.

John Rockerfeller was still a supporter of temperance when he wrote his letter saying prohibition had failed and should be repealed, he just admitted that prohibition caused more problems than it fixed.

And I'm not so progressive I think heroine coke and crack or ecstacy or acid should be legal. Pots just not those other things.

Acid should not be in that group.

A little acid never hurt anyone that wasn't throwed off to begin with.

I don't agree with that statement. Acid would be one of the last ones I would consider legalizing without further research.

Acid has been researched.

Millions of people took acid in the '60s, and did not stare at the sun until blind, did not join Charlie Manson and kill people, did not have four headed babies, and did not get committed to institutions where they sat in rockers mumbling until they died.

Used with a lick of common sense, like hiding the car keys, it is far less dangerous in the long run than alcohol.

Of course there was the odd bad trip, which could usually be ended by changing the music, or taking the person into a different room, or outside.

Acid's bad name is mainly due to Reagan WAR ON DRUGS lies.

oh bull shit.

See ,you dummies cant even argue the merits of liberty without telling stupid, easily disproved lies.

All drugs are harmful if abused, most are harmful even if habitually used, some are harmful if used even occasionally , a few are harmful if even used once.

LSD is definitely a drug that is harmful if habitually used, and I've never heard of anyone that occasionally takes a hit of acid. It's very habit forming.

Much like guns ARE dangerous. That's their entire purpose, to be dangerous.

So what? In THIS country we are free to endanger ourselves if we wish. We are not free to endanger others. But , if you want to take a drug that may melt your brain go for it.

"Acid isn't bad for you"

And you'd be wrong. I did plenty of the stuff in my younger years,and it does no good to do it daily because it doesnt work if you do it all the time.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

And I'm not so progressive I think heroine coke and crack or ecstacy or acid should be legal. Pots just not those other things.

Acid should not be in that group.

A little acid never hurt anyone that wasn't throwed off to begin with.

I don't agree with that statement. Acid would be one of the last ones I would consider legalizing without further research.

Acid has been researched.

Millions of people took acid in the '60s, and did not stare at the sun until blind, did not join Charlie Manson and kill people, did not have four headed babies, and did not get committed to institutions where they sat in rockers mumbling until they died.

Used with a lick of common sense, like hiding the car keys, it is far less dangerous in the long run than alcohol.

Of course there was the odd bad trip, which could usually be ended by changing the music, or taking the person into a different room, or outside.

Acid's bad name is mainly due to Reagan WAR ON DRUGS lies.

oh bull shit.

See ,you dummies cant even argue the merits of liberty without telling stupid, easily disproved lies.

All drugs are harmful if abused, most are harmful even if habitually used, some are harmful if used even occasionally , a few are harmful if even used once.

LSD is definitely a drug that is harmful if habitually used, and I've never heard of anyone that occasionally takes a hit of acid. It's very habit forming.

Much like guns ARE dangerous. That's their entire purpose, to be dangerous.

So what? In THIS country we are free to endanger ourselves if we wish. We are not free to endanger others. But , if you want to take a drug that may melt your brain go for it.

"Acid isn't bad for you"

And you'd be wrong. I did plenty of the stuff in my younger years,and it does no good to do it daily because it doesnt work if you do it all the time.

Where did I say differently?

 

[Roadrunner]

I don't blame people who tried to ban this stuff back in the 70's and 80's. Back then, similar to the prohibition people in the 1910's and 1920's, they thought they could bend people to their will via enforcement, propaganda, and time.

The people I blame are the current crop, who refuse to see that the fight is being lost badly, and maybe it is time to step back, with Pot being the first step.

John Rockerfeller was still a supporter of temperance when he wrote his letter saying prohibition had failed and should be repealed, he just admitted that prohibition caused more problems than it fixed.

And I'm not so progressive I think heroine coke and crack or ecstacy or acid should be legal. Pots just not those other things.

Acid should not be in that group.

A little acid never hurt anyone that wasn't throwed off to begin with.

I don't agree with that statement. Acid would be one of the last ones I would consider legalizing without further research.

Acid has been researched.

Millions of people took acid in the '60s, and did not stare at the sun until blind, did not join Charlie Manson and kill people, did not have four headed babies, and did not get committed to institutions where they sat in rockers mumbling until they died.

Used with a lick of common sense, like hiding the car keys, it is far less dangerous in the long run than alcohol.

Of course there was the odd bad trip, which could usually be ended by changing the music, or taking the person into a different room, or outside.

Acid's bad name is mainly due to Reagan WAR ON DRUGS lies.

oh bull shit.

See ,you dummies cant even argue the merits of liberty without telling stupid, easily disproved lies.

All drugs are harmful if abused, most are harmful even if habitually used, some are harmful if used even occasionally , a few are harmful if even used once.

LSD is definitely a drug that is harmful if habitually used, and I've never heard of anyone that occasionally takes a hit of acid. It's very habit forming.

Much like guns ARE dangerous. That's their entire purpose, to be dangerous.

So what? In THIS country we are free to endanger ourselves if we wish. We are not free to endanger others. But , if you want to take a drug that may melt your brain go for it.

"Acid isn't bad for you"

Your ignorance of acid reflects your ignorance of most everything else.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Acid should not be in that group.

A little acid never hurt anyone that wasn't throwed off to begin with.

I don't agree with that statement. Acid would be one of the last ones I would consider legalizing without further research.

Acid has been researched.

Millions of people took acid in the '60s, and did not stare at the sun until blind, did not join Charlie Manson and kill people, did not have four headed babies, and did not get committed to institutions where they sat in rockers mumbling until they died.

Used with a lick of common sense, like hiding the car keys, it is far less dangerous in the long run than alcohol.

Of course there was the odd bad trip, which could usually be ended by changing the music, or taking the person into a different room, or outside.

Acid's bad name is mainly due to Reagan WAR ON DRUGS lies.

oh bull shit.

See ,you dummies cant even argue the merits of liberty without telling stupid, easily disproved lies.

All drugs are harmful if abused, most are harmful even if habitually used, some are harmful if used even occasionally , a few are harmful if even used once.

LSD is definitely a drug that is harmful if habitually used, and I've never heard of anyone that occasionally takes a hit of acid. It's very habit forming.

Much like guns ARE dangerous. That's their entire purpose, to be dangerous.

So what? In THIS country we are free to endanger ourselves if we wish. We are not free to endanger others. But , if you want to take a drug that may melt your brain go for it.

"Acid isn't bad for you"

And you'd be wrong. I did plenty of the stuff in my younger years,and it does no good to do it daily because it doesnt work if you do it all the time.

Where did I say differently?

It's not habit forming and habitually using it is pointless because it doesnt work if you use it constantly.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

I don't agree with that statement. Acid would be one of the last ones I would consider legalizing without further research.

Acid has been researched.

Millions of people took acid in the '60s, and did not stare at the sun until blind, did not join Charlie Manson and kill people, did not have four headed babies, and did not get committed to institutions where they sat in rockers mumbling until they died.

Used with a lick of common sense, like hiding the car keys, it is far less dangerous in the long run than alcohol.

Of course there was the odd bad trip, which could usually be ended by changing the music, or taking the person into a different room, or outside.

Acid's bad name is mainly due to Reagan WAR ON DRUGS lies.

oh bull shit.

See ,you dummies cant even argue the merits of liberty without telling stupid, easily disproved lies.

All drugs are harmful if abused, most are harmful even if habitually used, some are harmful if used even occasionally , a few are harmful if even used once.

LSD is definitely a drug that is harmful if habitually used, and I've never heard of anyone that occasionally takes a hit of acid. It's very habit forming.

Much like guns ARE dangerous. That's their entire purpose, to be dangerous.

So what? In THIS country we are free to endanger ourselves if we wish. We are not free to endanger others. But , if you want to take a drug that may melt your brain go for it.

"Acid isn't bad for you"

And you'd be wrong. I did plenty of the stuff in my younger years,and it does no good to do it daily because it doesnt work if you do it all the time.

Where did I say differently?

It's not habit forming and habitually using it is pointless because it doesnt work if you use it constantly.

of course it works if you use it habitually, it just takes MORE of it to get the same effect. No different than beer or anything else. If you drink a six pack every night to get a buzz , eventually it will take 2 six packs to get a buzz and so on and so forth.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

And I'm not so progressive I think heroine coke and crack or ecstacy or acid should be legal. Pots just not those other things.

Acid should not be in that group.

A little acid never hurt anyone that wasn't throwed off to begin with.

I don't agree with that statement. Acid would be one of the last ones I would consider legalizing without further research.

Acid has been researched.

Millions of people took acid in the '60s, and did not stare at the sun until blind, did not join Charlie Manson and kill people, did not have four headed babies, and did not get committed to institutions where they sat in rockers mumbling until they died.

Used with a lick of common sense, like hiding the car keys, it is far less dangerous in the long run than alcohol.

Of course there was the odd bad trip, which could usually be ended by changing the music, or taking the person into a different room, or outside.

Acid's bad name is mainly due to Reagan WAR ON DRUGS lies.

oh bull shit.

See ,you dummies cant even argue the merits of liberty without telling stupid, easily disproved lies.

All drugs are harmful if abused, most are harmful even if habitually used, some are harmful if used even occasionally , a few are harmful if even used once.

LSD is definitely a drug that is harmful if habitually used, and I've never heard of anyone that occasionally takes a hit of acid. It's very habit forming.

Much like guns ARE dangerous. That's their entire purpose, to be dangerous.

So what? In THIS country we are free to endanger ourselves if we wish. We are not free to endanger others. But , if you want to take a drug that may melt your brain go for it.

"Acid isn't bad for you"

Your ignorance of acid reflects your ignorance of most everything else.

Crotchety old **** says what?

 

[AceRothstein]

Don't know if I'd do acid again, would love to eat some shrooms though.

 

[BlindBoo]

tH

The prohibition of MJ is a cost-deficit; the only benefit, benefits the pharmaceutical industry, the adult beverage industry, drug counseling services and those few law enforcement agencies who receive money from the Congress in terms of grants.

Local LE; cops, prosecution, probation, jails and prison all have higher priorities and most would applaud decriminalization in one form or another. Ask any cop/deputy/agent if S/He would prefer breaking up a party of drunks, or a party of MJ users.

Allowing MJ to be taxed and requiring a permit to grow MJ seems the sanest solution to the political problem -allowing local political subdivisions (city, county) to prohibit or establish zoning laws for growing seems reasonable too.

Taxes on its sale, and taxes paid by its distributors will bring a multi-billion dollar economy into the light. The black market, which today provides this ubiquitous drug to the market, is run by criminals, and criminal gangs, creating a nexus between generally law abiding citizens and thugs. Not a good thing.

There will be no pot industry once personal cultivation becomes widespread.

The pot problem will then become one of making sure assholes kill the males before they **** up whole counties.

Huh? Kill what males?

I am a feminist.

All male marijuana plants should be killed immediately.

In fact, responsible people only use feminized seeds or clones.

Hogwash, male plants are what make up the Hemp crop. I'm all for seed less buds but......

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Acid has been researched.

Millions of people took acid in the '60s, and did not stare at the sun until blind, did not join Charlie Manson and kill people, did not have four headed babies, and did not get committed to institutions where they sat in rockers mumbling until they died.

Used with a lick of common sense, like hiding the car keys, it is far less dangerous in the long run than alcohol.

Of course there was the odd bad trip, which could usually be ended by changing the music, or taking the person into a different room, or outside.

Acid's bad name is mainly due to Reagan WAR ON DRUGS lies.

oh bull shit.

See ,you dummies cant even argue the merits of liberty without telling stupid, easily disproved lies.

All drugs are harmful if abused, most are harmful even if habitually used, some are harmful if used even occasionally , a few are harmful if even used once.

LSD is definitely a drug that is harmful if habitually used, and I've never heard of anyone that occasionally takes a hit of acid. It's very habit forming.

Much like guns ARE dangerous. That's their entire purpose, to be dangerous.

So what? In THIS country we are free to endanger ourselves if we wish. We are not free to endanger others. But , if you want to take a drug that may melt your brain go for it.

"Acid isn't bad for you"

And you'd be wrong. I did plenty of the stuff in my younger years,and it does no good to do it daily because it doesnt work if you do it all the time.

Where did I say differently?

It's not habit forming and habitually using it is pointless because it doesnt work if you use it constantly.

of course it works if you use it habitually, it just takes MORE of it to get the same effect. No different than beer or anything else. If you drink a six pack every night to get a buzz , eventually it will take 2 six packs to get a buzz and so on and so forth.

You obviously have never done acid.
Say you took one hit on friday,in order to get a buzz on Saturday you'd have to take three or four hits. It's just not practical or economical because the curve is to steep.
In other words it's pretty much impossible to use habitually because in a weeks time you'd be taking thirty hits. Thats just the way the stuff works.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Don't know if I'd do acid again, would love to eat some shrooms though.

Go to Jamaica,it's legal. I recommend Teds Shroom Boom in Negril.

 

[AceRothstein]

Don't know if I'd do acid again, would love to eat some shrooms though.

Go to Jamaica,it's legal. I recommend Teds Shroom Boom in Negril.

Sounds fun. I want to go to a full moon party in the BVIs.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Don't know if I'd do acid again, would love to eat some shrooms though.

Go to Jamaica,it's legal. I recommend Teds Shroom Boom in Negril.

Sounds fun. I want to go to a full moon party in the BVIs.

That does sound like a hell of a party!

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

oh bull shit.

See ,you dummies cant even argue the merits of liberty without telling stupid, easily disproved lies.

All drugs are harmful if abused, most are harmful even if habitually used, some are harmful if used even occasionally , a few are harmful if even used once.

LSD is definitely a drug that is harmful if habitually used, and I've never heard of anyone that occasionally takes a hit of acid. It's very habit forming.

Much like guns ARE dangerous. That's their entire purpose, to be dangerous.

So what? In THIS country we are free to endanger ourselves if we wish. We are not free to endanger others. But , if you want to take a drug that may melt your brain go for it.

"Acid isn't bad for you"

And you'd be wrong. I did plenty of the stuff in my younger years,and it does no good to do it daily because it doesnt work if you do it all the time.

Where did I say differently?

It's not habit forming and habitually using it is pointless because it doesnt work if you use it constantly.

of course it works if you use it habitually, it just takes MORE of it to get the same effect. No different than beer or anything else. If you drink a six pack every night to get a buzz , eventually it will take 2 six packs to get a buzz and so on and so forth.

You obviously have never done acid.
Say you took one hit on friday,in order to get a buzz on Saturday you'd have to take three or four hits. It's just not practical or economical because the curve is to steep.
In other words it's pretty much impossible to use habitually because in a weeks time you'd be taking thirty hits. Thats just the way the stuff works.

I seriously doubt that you build up a tolerance that quickly.

You're telling me that one hit and then the next time one hit won't have the same effect on you? That doesn't even make sense.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

And you'd be wrong. I did plenty of the stuff in my younger years,and it does no good to do it daily because it doesnt work if you do it all the time.

Where did I say differently?

It's not habit forming and habitually using it is pointless because it doesnt work if you use it constantly.

of course it works if you use it habitually, it just takes MORE of it to get the same effect. No different than beer or anything else. If you drink a six pack every night to get a buzz , eventually it will take 2 six packs to get a buzz and so on and so forth.

You obviously have never done acid.
Say you took one hit on friday,in order to get a buzz on Saturday you'd have to take three or four hits. It's just not practical or economical because the curve is to steep.
In other words it's pretty much impossible to use habitually because in a weeks time you'd be taking thirty hits. Thats just the way the stuff works.

I seriously doubt that you build up a tolerance that quickly.

You're telling me that one hit and then the next time one hit won't have the same effect on you? That doesn't even make sense.

Dont ask me about the reasons because I really dont know the cause.
But I do know thats how it works from experience.
And it's not a tolerance thing so much as doing it to soon since the last time.
You have to wait a good week to get the same effect out of one hit. Making it impossible to do frequently without going to ridiculous lengths to get a buzz.

 

[Roadrunner]

Don't know if I'd do acid again, would love to eat some shrooms though.

Those grow everywhere there are cows in South Louisiana.