College degree

[JakeStarkey]

This is what a nephew who is doing that told me last year, after a career in the Navy.

History or Government means a teaching degree in HS or JHS, or a Masters at least to being adjunct in two or more colleges near you.

If you do a Masters in one, do 18 grad hours in the other, and you will be hired FT within one to three years of adjunct.

Cut it down by a year if you do History/English or Government/English.

Hide your fascism in interviews.

History or Government degree = / = "teaching" degree. It's a typical pathway toward teaching certification, but not a degree. Depending on the state you're in a bachelor's and passing a series of tests is all that's needed for a temporary certification (this was the path I followed, but not a history or poly sci degree). You then have to take lots of training sessions that supplement your lack of an education degree.

Alternative certification is a tough way to go, but it will save time for certification and money, while you are working.

Many do not last past a month or two, so that's a good thing in that it is not a long period and lots of money wasted. It's hard on the kids.

I got my permanent certification via alternative certification and I disagree with your analysis of it.

I don't know where you got y our alt cert, but in Texas and Utah, the alternate pathways have been littered metaphorically with bodies of those who attempted and failed.

I am not saying it does not have its advantages, but very very few people can walk into the classroom the very first time without preparation and expect to do well.

 

[mgh80]

This is what a nephew who is doing that told me last year, after a career in the Navy.

History or Government means a teaching degree in HS or JHS, or a Masters at least to being adjunct in two or more colleges near you.

If you do a Masters in one, do 18 grad hours in the other, and you will be hired FT within one to three years of adjunct.

Cut it down by a year if you do History/English or Government/English.

Hide your fascism in interviews.

History or Government degree = / = "teaching" degree. It's a typical pathway toward teaching certification, but not a degree. Depending on the state you're in a bachelor's and passing a series of tests is all that's needed for a temporary certification (this was the path I followed, but not a history or poly sci degree). You then have to take lots of training sessions that supplement your lack of an education degree.

Alternative certification is a tough way to go, but it will save time for certification and money, while you are working.

Many do not last past a month or two, so that's a good thing in that it is not a long period and lots of money wasted. It's hard on the kids.

I got my permanent certification via alternative certification and I disagree with your analysis of it.

I don't know where you got y our alt cert, but in Texas and Utah, the alternate pathways have been littered metaphorically with bodies of those who attempted and failed.

I am not saying it does not have its advantages, but very very few people can walk into the classroom the very first time without preparation and expect to do well.

Very few people can walk into the classroom for the first time and expect to do well, period. Everybody sucks their first year.

 

[HenryBHough]

Knew a fella wot got a phd from Harvard (really) in ancient languages, especially Aramaic.

His career choices were:

1. Teaching subject to other suckers.

2. Praying for Jesus to come again but having forgotten to learn English. Therefore make big bucks translating for CNN. Poor bastard forgot that they wouldn't need translations; they'd just make up their own hate-speech.

He's teaching ancient history at an obscure junior college but the kids are having trouble understanding him since his English was mostly lost whilst attaining that doctorate.

 

[Vastator]

Anyone here with a degree in History or Political Science? What did you do with those degrees?

I am in college for Health Information Management and it was not even in the top 10 of things I wanted to go in to but it offered a chance at a good career etc...some of these classes are so asinine and over the top ON TOP of the fact they are for them to profit off of me and NOT something I will use in my career I am considering switching to Healthcare Management OR switching schools and going for a bachelors in History or Political Science but I am worried about what jobs I could get in those fields.

Teaching could be a very rewarding job for you. Especially History. The kids nowadays are really getting hosed when it comes to learning about history; and government. You could make a positive impact, and possibly counter act some of the liberal, union backed agenda. But your going to be surrounded by shitstains for coworkers. Not beating them to death just might prove to be the most challenging aspect.

Not true in my experience. There's a big difference between a high school staff and a university staff. While there are more liberal teachers, in my experience it's probably 65/35, there are many more conservative high school teachers than you think there are. In regards to history (I teach English), a teacher's job is to teach the curriculum that they're given and supplement when allowed and necessary. If you have a problem with the actually content taught, I assure you that teachers have a bigger problem with it than you do. You really think teachers want to lose autonomy over the content (not standards mind you).

Unions don't construct a curriculum, your local school district does, there is no such thing as a national curriculum or even a state curriculum (at least in my state), there of course are state standards.

With all due respect your post shows you don't have a solid foundation in how education is run. For example if you don't know the difference between a set of standards and a curriculum, then you know next to nothing.

With all due respect; you read tons of things into your response, that I never even addressed. For an English teacher that was a rather disappointing display, of crafting a relevant response, to the information offered. Came off as more of a springboard to launch a straw man from...

Which parts of my post was off-topic? The unions, curriculum/standards, teacher political affiliation, high school staff, all of which you brought up? You were factually incorrect, deal with it. Do you know what a strawman argument actually is, or is it just a buzzword you used?

-public school teacher that doesn't vote Democrat

Your defensive posture isn’t helping your position. You should take your own advice; and cut your losses...

 

[JakeStarkey]

My cousin spent the hour before his English 101 class he taught in the 101 class his graduate professor taught, then did the same thing in his own class. He became a pretty good teacher, but he said his first year was miserable.

 

[Toro]

Anyone here with a degree in History or Political Science? What did you do with those degrees?

Starbucks barista.

 

[Unkotare]

....his English was mostly lost whilst attaining that doctorate.

 

[mgh80]

Anyone here with a degree in History or Political Science? What did you do with those degrees?

I am in college for Health Information Management and it was not even in the top 10 of things I wanted to go in to but it offered a chance at a good career etc...some of these classes are so asinine and over the top ON TOP of the fact they are for them to profit off of me and NOT something I will use in my career I am considering switching to Healthcare Management OR switching schools and going for a bachelors in History or Political Science but I am worried about what jobs I could get in those fields.

Teaching could be a very rewarding job for you. Especially History. The kids nowadays are really getting hosed when it comes to learning about history; and government. You could make a positive impact, and possibly counter act some of the liberal, union backed agenda. But your going to be surrounded by shitstains for coworkers. Not beating them to death just might prove to be the most challenging aspect.

Not true in my experience. There's a big difference between a high school staff and a university staff. While there are more liberal teachers, in my experience it's probably 65/35, there are many more conservative high school teachers than you think there are. In regards to history (I teach English), a teacher's job is to teach the curriculum that they're given and supplement when allowed and necessary. If you have a problem with the actually content taught, I assure you that teachers have a bigger problem with it than you do. You really think teachers want to lose autonomy over the content (not standards mind you).

Unions don't construct a curriculum, your local school district does, there is no such thing as a national curriculum or even a state curriculum (at least in my state), there of course are state standards.

With all due respect your post shows you don't have a solid foundation in how education is run. For example if you don't know the difference between a set of standards and a curriculum, then you know next to nothing.

With all due respect; you read tons of things into your response, that I never even addressed. For an English teacher that was a rather disappointing display, of crafting a relevant response, to the information offered. Came off as more of a springboard to launch a straw man from...

Which parts of my post was off-topic? The unions, curriculum/standards, teacher political affiliation, high school staff, all of which you brought up? You were factually incorrect, deal with it. Do you know what a strawman argument actually is, or is it just a buzzword you used?

-public school teacher that doesn't vote Democrat

Your defensive posture isn’t helping your position. You should take your own advice; and cut your losses...

So you make a statement, I challenge you to prove it, you refuse to do so...and I'm the one who looks like they have a weak argument? Whatever lol.

 

[Vastator]

There is nothing in my post open for "challenge".Your reading comprehension betrays one of two things. Either you're not an English teacher. Or you shouldn't be. When one fails as hard as you have in this thread; the best thing to do is start over.

 

[JakeStarkey]

mgh80's logic, semantics, syntax, and diction competently discusses why he disagrees with someone above, who personally attacked mgh80 rather than defend his own position. Ad hominem attacks almost always reveal that poster's failure in the discussion.

 

[Vastator]

mgh80's logic, semantics, syntax, and diction competently discusses why he disagrees with someone above, who personally attacked mgh80 rather than defend his own position. Ad hominem attacks almost always reveal that poster's failure in the discussion.

What’s the matter Fakey? Afraid to directly address me? Don’t worry... I’ll come to you. You have enough problems of your own. Cowardice being only one of many. Best you let your crush see to their own defense... You have “no path to victory” here.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I address comments mostly, not the people behind them who often cry when they get what they give. mgh80 has done a fine job here, and any of his opponents can't make a dent in his arguments.

 

[mgh80]

There is nothing in my post open for "challenge".Your reading comprehension betrays one of two things. Either you're not an English teacher. Or you shouldn't be. When one fails as hard as you have in this thread; the best thing to do is start over.

You don't know how to use a semi-colon properly, and you're judging my command of reading and writing? If you want to play a "got you" game over reading comprehension let's go, because I assure you that you wont win.

Once again you're resorting to personal attacks (that aren't even good mind you), rather than the issues that YOU raised. I'm assuming-because I have nothing else to go off of since you're refusing to elaborate-that you're conveniently avoiding them because you realize that you're outmatched when discussing the current educational climate. One wouldn't get into a boxing ring with an experienced boxer and expect to actually compete if they have zero experience boxing.

 

[Vastator]

There is nothing in my post open for "challenge".Your reading comprehension betrays one of two things. Either you're not an English teacher. Or you shouldn't be. When one fails as hard as you have in this thread; the best thing to do is start over.

You don't know how to use a semi-colon properly, and you're judging my command of reading and writing? If you want to play a "got you" game over reading comprehension let's go, because I assure you that you wont win.

Once again you're resorting to personal attacks (that aren't even good mind you), rather than the issues that YOU raised. I'm assuming-because I have nothing else to go off of since you're refusing to elaborate-that you're conveniently avoiding them because you realize that you're outmatched when discussing the current educational climate. One wouldn't get into a boxing ring with an experienced boxer and expect to actually compete if they have zero experience boxing.

I didn't elaborate, because I wasn't talking to you to begin with. Again... It's a reading comprehension thing... And you don't have it. Someone as desperate for attention as you come off, could benefit from a car.

 

[mgh80]

There is nothing in my post open for "challenge".Your reading comprehension betrays one of two things. Either you're not an English teacher. Or you shouldn't be. When one fails as hard as you have in this thread; the best thing to do is start over.

You don't know how to use a semi-colon properly, and you're judging my command of reading and writing? If you want to play a "got you" game over reading comprehension let's go, because I assure you that you wont win.

Once again you're resorting to personal attacks (that aren't even good mind you), rather than the issues that YOU raised. I'm assuming-because I have nothing else to go off of since you're refusing to elaborate-that you're conveniently avoiding them because you realize that you're outmatched when discussing the current educational climate. One wouldn't get into a boxing ring with an experienced boxer and expect to actually compete if they have zero experience boxing.

I didn't elaborate, because I wasn't talking to you to begin with. Again... It's a reading comprehension thing... And you don't have it. Someone as desperate for attention as you come off, could benefit from a car.

You have posted more time ten times the amount that I have on USMB (fact)...and I'm the one seeking attention? You're just not good at this...best to just lick your wounds and move on.

 

[Vastator]

There is nothing in my post open for "challenge".Your reading comprehension betrays one of two things. Either you're not an English teacher. Or you shouldn't be. When one fails as hard as you have in this thread; the best thing to do is start over.

You don't know how to use a semi-colon properly, and you're judging my command of reading and writing? If you want to play a "got you" game over reading comprehension let's go, because I assure you that you wont win.

Once again you're resorting to personal attacks (that aren't even good mind you), rather than the issues that YOU raised. I'm assuming-because I have nothing else to go off of since you're refusing to elaborate-that you're conveniently avoiding them because you realize that you're outmatched when discussing the current educational climate. One wouldn't get into a boxing ring with an experienced boxer and expect to actually compete if they have zero experience boxing.

I didn't elaborate, because I wasn't talking to you to begin with. Again... It's a reading comprehension thing... And you don't have it. Someone as desperate for attention as you come off, could benefit from a car.

You have posted more time ten times the amount that I have on USMB (fact)...and I'm the one seeking attention? You're just not good at this...best to just lick your wounds and move on.

Lol...

 

[sartre play]

If being rich is 1st choice, look at the head hunters/ want adds see who is looking & paying. if you want to do what you love, be prepared to make less (or not) and have a good life, education is good for the mind.

 

[JakeStarkey]

There is nothing in my post open for "challenge".Your reading comprehension betrays one of two things. Either you're not an English teacher. Or you shouldn't be. When one fails as hard as you have in this thread; the best thing to do is start over.

You don't know how to use a semi-colon properly, and you're judging my command of reading and writing? If you want to play a "got you" game over reading comprehension let's go, because I assure you that you wont win.

Once again you're resorting to personal attacks (that aren't even good mind you), rather than the issues that YOU raised. I'm assuming-because I have nothing else to go off of since you're refusing to elaborate-that you're conveniently avoiding them because you realize that you're outmatched when discussing the current educational climate. One wouldn't get into a boxing ring with an experienced boxer and expect to actually compete if they have zero experience boxing.

I didn't elaborate, because I wasn't talking to you to begin with. Again... It's a reading comprehension thing... And you don't have it. Someone as desperate for attention as you come off, could benefit from a car.

You have posted more time ten times the amount that I have on USMB (fact)...and I'm the one seeking attention? You're just not good at this...best to just lick your wounds and move on.

Lol...

mgh80 is right, Vastator: you should slink off. And the fact is that in the last three years college degree whites at 51% support the Dems over the pubs.

 

[SweetSue92]

Anyone here with a degree in History or Political Science? What did you do with those degrees?

I am in college for Health Information Management and it was not even in the top 10 of things I wanted to go in to but it offered a chance at a good career etc...some of these classes are so asinine and over the top ON TOP of the fact they are for them to profit off of me and NOT something I will use in my career I am considering switching to Healthcare Management OR switching schools and going for a bachelors in History or Political Science but I am worried about what jobs I could get in those fields.

Teaching could be a very rewarding job for you. Especially History. The kids nowadays are really getting hosed when it comes to learning about history; and government. You could make a positive impact, and possibly counter act some of the liberal, union backed agenda. But your going to be surrounded by shitstains for coworkers. Not beating them to death just might prove to be the most challenging aspect.

Not true in my experience. There's a big difference between a high school staff and a university staff. While there are more liberal teachers, in my experience it's probably 65/35, there are many more conservative high school teachers than you think there are. In regards to history (I teach English), a teacher's job is to teach the curriculum that they're given and supplement when allowed and necessary. If you have a problem with the actually content taught, I assure you that teachers have a bigger problem with it than you do. You really think teachers want to lose autonomy over the content (not standards mind you).

Unions don't construct a curriculum, your local school district does, there is no such thing as a national curriculum or even a state curriculum (at least in my state), there of course are state standards.

With all due respect your post shows you don't have a solid foundation in how education is run. For example if you don't know the difference between a set of standards and a curriculum, then you know next to nothing.

I've been teaching for well over 20 years in the public schools, and yes I'm a conservative. I would say first that we need good solid teachers more than ever. However, secondly, I would not advise anyone to go into teaching unless they feel very passionate about it. It's difficult enough these days even if you know it's the career for you. If you're on the fence I don't know how you'd do it.

This is what keeps me up at night. I'm not overwhelmed in my position, thank God. I have a great school, good kids, good parents, a good admin. I look at these young teachers and wonder how they're going to last thirty years with what we're facing now. Teachers cannot both raise AND teach children, and then be blamed when we fail. We are not actually Jesus Christ.

But anyway, that's a topic for another day.

 

[Unkotare]

I got a degree in history and English. Then I went to law school.

I got degrees in philosophy and political science then I shed all my worldly belongings and set out to walk the earth.

No, really.