CNN Guest Host Claims The Electoral College Is Rooted In Slavery

[IM2]

In the context the CNN talking head used the phrase it certainly is racist. That woman and those of her ilk see race in everything around them. That makes them racist.

Th problem with you racists is that you think you get to remake what the definition of racist and racism is. Seeing race in everything is not racist, and if you are not white, you cannot ignore race, because you could end up strung up on a tree in some rural area and your death called a suicide or shot dead by a cop who then claims his/her life was threatened.

It's simple for you white racists, to claim you ignore race while you are practicing racism, because your racism doesn't affect you. In fact, you benefit from it. Whatever context Jamelle Hill put it in was the historically correct context.

 

[BrokeLoser]

That is a historical fact that the EC is rooted in slavery.

John Adams would have won re-election against Virginian Thomas Jefferson in 1800 if it wasn't for the slave-heavy Southern states and the additional EC votes from slaves counting as 3/5 of a citizen.

Some things never change.

 

[IM2]

The compromise was rooted in slavery...the College itself was not.

Hill's take was some weak schit.

Not really.

The Troubling Reason the Electoral College Exists​

As Americans await the quadrennial running of the presidential obstacle course now known as the Electoral College, it’s worth remembering why we have this odd political contraption in the first place. After all, state governors in all 50 states are elected by popular vote; why not do the same for the governor of all states, a.k.a. the president? The quirks of the Electoral College system were exposed in 2016 when Donald Trump secured the presidency with an Electoral College majority, even as Hillary Clinton took a narrow lead in the popular vote.

At the Philadelphia convention, the visionary Pennsylvanian James Wilson proposed direct national election of the president. But the savvy Virginian James Madison responded that such a system would prove unacceptable to the South: “The right of suffrage was much more diffusive [i.e., extensive] in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of Negroes.” In other words, in a direct election system, the North would outnumber the South, whose many slaves (more than half a million in all) of course could not vote. But the Electoral College—a prototype of which Madison proposed in this same speech—instead let each southern state count its slaves, albeit with a two-fifths discount, in computing its share of the overall count.

Voting History: The Real Reason the Electoral College Exists

The Founding Fathers had something particular in mind when they set up the U.S. presidential election system: slavery

time.com

 

[Soupnazi630]

That is a historical fact that the EC is rooted in slavery.

John Adams would have won re-election against Virginian Thomas Jefferson in 1800 if it wasn't for the slave-heavy Southern states and the additional EC votes from slaves counting as 3/5 of a citizen.

That is not its root

Thatis the result

It is NOT rooted in slavery and it has never been a historic fact as you claim

 

[cnm]

CNN Guest Host Claims The Electoral College Is Rooted In Slavery

Of course it is. Do you really not know your history?

 

[cnm]

That is not its root

Thatis the result

It is NOT rooted in slavery and it has never been a historic fact as you claim

Once again we see why American cannot have nice things.

 

[mudwhistle]

The Electoral College was heavily influenced and informed by slavery when the Constitution was written. Even more so, the apportionment of congressional districts. The way the slaves were counted was a key debate between the people who would become the Democratic Party, and those who Opposed the people who wuold become the Democratic Party.

The future Democrats wanted their slaves counted as 100% people, while their opponents wanted slaves to be recognized as non-participants in the United States system, much like Native Tribal people. Recognizing slaves for purposes of apportioning districts and electors would reward slave-holding by future Democrats.

But that does not mean that the Electoral College is then as evil as slavery. That is absurd.

Argue that it is wrong in the modern times, fine. But arguing that it is wrong, because it was was part of a flawed negotiating process in the 1780's is really reaching.

But one primary fact about this whole discussion is that the Democrat Party was created to keep slavery from being outlawed.
Yes there was a discussion about slaves during the creation of the electoral college, but it wasn't the only issue at hand. And the only reason slavery was an issue at all was because Democrats supported slavery.

So the entire debate about racism falls directly onto the party that created the issue in the first place.

The Democrat Party.

 

[mudwhistle]

Of course it is. Do you really not know your history?

Of course it is, thanks to the Democrats.

Imagine how much better this country would be without Democrats screwing everything up and creating poverty and slavery.

 

[mudwhistle]

If "it" refers to the EC, it's in Article II.

 

[cnm]

Imagine how much better this country would be without Democrats screwing everything up and creating poverty and slavery.

As though Americans hadn't done that before the Democratic Party existed.

It is to laugh.

 

[Lumpy 1]

These people see racism in everything.

This entire premise is that if black people don't get special consideration in anything, then it must be rooted in slavery.

You really have to be stupid to think this way, but it seems our society churns these types out in mass.

If they can't find any racism, they'll create the perception of racism.

(The SPLC proved this was the case by funding rightwing extremist groups with taxpayer money)

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Black Pride .. it's changed over the years..

 

[Soupnazi630]

Once again we see why American cannot have nice things.

We can and do have many nice things.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Of course it is. Do you really not know your history?

It is not ,clearly you do not know your history

 

[22lcidw]

You are an obvious racist. You just posted some dumb shit about the IQ of people in Africa. I'm going to call you out for what you are.

If you want a pat on the back, get one of these other MAGA racists on here to pretend that you are decent person. It won't be me.

You are an obvious racist. You just posted some dumb shit about the IQ of people in Africa. I'm going to call you out for what you are.

If you want a pat on the back, get one of these other MAGA racists on here to pretend that you are decent person. It won't be me.

That's funny. To me your comparable to a brownshirt from other eras. Only you will never ever put your life on the line for the Communist cause. And when it gets ere, the ruling elites will cull the people who helped to get them there to reduce the competition for leadership. The economy will contract and people will do with less and a percentage will even die. If people rise up before you get Communist control, then it will not happen. Listen up. There are many people who have revenge on their minds for taking others crap in their lives. This will even things out on a general scale if you take over. You are empowered from influencing. We are making sure that if things turn nasty, that you as a woman do not go from the empowered to playing the victim. Life will be cheaper. And you, your families will get what is deserved in a nasty time for living. You are a fool.

 

[ColonelAngus]

The Industrial Revolution is rooted in slavery.

Commie tuckfards, stop using all of your modern machines and appliances.

 

[berg80]

No. I'm smart enough and educated enough not to be brainwashed while I was in college.

That's the bottom line.

Did your degree come from one of those correspondence colleges? Or maybe you didn't take any history courses? Google the "three-fifths compromise" and educate yourself..........rube.

 

[Seymour Flops]

When the EC was created, it included counting 3/5 of the slaves in the Southern states.

By any definition, that is the EC being "rooted in slavery". Slavery is not the primary reason for the EC, but there is no denying its major impact on the EC.

Southern delegates to the Constitutional Convention wanted to protect slavery and giving the South more political power, via more EC votes and more House representation in Congress.

As how much of a person did the northern delagates want to count each slave?

You're post is a rare factually correct on. I'm asking to know if you have thought it through or are just rep-typing someone else's words.

 

[Soupnazi630]

You decided to double-down on your stupidity.

It's known as the Three-Fifths Compromise, dolt. From the very beginning of this country, Southern states had a representation advantage in the U.S. government. --

The Three-fifths Compromise, also known as the Constitutional Compromise of 1787, was an agreement reached during the 1787 United States Constitutional Convention over the inclusion of slaves in counting a state's total population. This count would determine the number of seats in the House of Representatives, the number of electoral votes each state would be allocated,<a href="Three-fifths Compromise - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> and how much money the states would pay in taxes.

Three-fifths Compromise - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The thread is about the EC not the 3.5 compromise

You shows your intellectual weakness byu constantly diverting to something else.

 

[Fang]

Th problem with you racists is that you think you get to remake what the definition of racist and racism is. Seeing race in everything is not racist, and if you are not white, you cannot ignore race, because you could end up strung up on a tree in some rural area and your death called a suicide or shot dead by a cop who then claims his/her life was threatened.

It's simple for you white racists, to claim you ignore race while you are practicing racism, because your racism doesn't affect you. In fact, you benefit from it. Whatever context Jamelle Hill put it in was the historically correct context.

I’m not white, which puts me in the perfect position to see through the race bull$hit and race-baiting tactics from true racists like yourself. The Karmelo Anthony case is ther perfect example. You damn well know what was cold-blooded murder yet you and people of your ilk refuse to admit it and even go so far as to defend Karmelo.

 

[Seymour Flops]

But one primary fact about this whole discussion is that the Democrat Party was created to keep slavery from being outlawed.
Yes there was a discussion about slaves during the creation of the electoral college, but it wasn't the only issue at hand. And the only reason slavery was an issue at all was because Democrats supported slavery.

So the entire debate about racism falls directly onto the party that created the issue in the first place.

The Democrat Party.

That is exactly right. They keep referring to "Southerners," as the villains in the fight for slavery. But nine of the thirteen states had slavery when the Constituton was ratified:

• Delaware
• Georgia
• Maryland
• New Jersey
• New York
• North Carolina
• South Carolina
• Virginia
• Connecticut

Five out of those nine were exactly states where the people ate corn pone and whistled Dixie during breaks from beating their enslaved farmworkers.

Whenever a Democrat says "southerner" in the discussion of slavery, mentally substitute "Democrat" because that is who they are talking about.