Climate Sensitivity per the IPCC

LOL!!!

We have TWO and ONLY TWO measures of atmospheric temperatures, satellites since the 1970s, and over 100 years from weather balloons.

For the first twenty years of Algore's fraud and long before it started, both the balloons and the satellites have shown NO WARMING in the atmosphere. Since the satellites went up in the 1970s, their data has correlated with the balloons, both showing a cooler than normal atmosphere during Bill Clinton's "warmest ever year in 1998." Since NBC is not journalism they slanted their piece, but it doesn't fool anyone with a working brain....

Your outside thermometer says (according to NBC "suggested") 80F. You have two choices. One, accept that it is 80F outside. Two, allow a biased, politicized narrative driven taxpayer funded "scientist" to "correct" that to 90F....

LOL!!!



satellite and weather balloon data have actually suggested the opposite, that the atmosphere was cooling.

Scientists were left with two choices: either the atmosphere wasn't warming up, or something was wrong with the data



So, let's be clear here. The theory is that increasing atmospheric Co2 would warm the atmosphere. The DATA said NO. NOT HAPPENING.

So they fudged, and they fudged with pathetic excuses and lies. "Orbit wobble" on satellites wouldn't change the reading of the IR sensors. "Shade issues" claimed on balloons would be a one time length of period adjustment, not a slant from a flat line.


Theory - increasing atmospheric Co2 would warm atmosphere

Evidence - None, data completely refuted theory, FUDGE was used in place of truth
That's not what your stupid article from 2006 states idiot.

"It's like being outside on a hot day—it feels hotter when you are standing in the direct sun than when you are standing in the shade," Sherwood said.

Nowadays, radiosondes are better insulated against the effects of sunlight, but if analyzed together with the old data—which showed temperatures that were actually warmer than they really were—the overall effect looked like the troposphere was cooling.


The discrepancy between surface and atmospheric measurements has been used by for years by skeptics who dispute claims of global warming.

"Now we're learning that the disconnect is more apparent than real," said Ben Santer, an atmospheric scientists at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California and a lead author of another of the studies.

Argument evaporates
According to Santer, the only group to previously analyze satellite data on the troposphere -- the lowest layer in Earth's atmosphere -- was a research team headed by Roy Spencer from University of Alabama in 1992.

"This was used by some critics to say 'We don't believe in climate models, they're wrong,'" Santer told LiveScience. "Other people used the disconnect between what the satellites told and what surface thermometers told us to argue that the surface data were wrong and that earth wasn't really warming because satellites were much more accurate."

But in another Science paper published today, Carl Mears and Rank Wentz, scientists at the California-based Remote Sensing Systems, examined the same data and identified an error in Spencer's analysis technique.

After correcting for the mistake, the researchers obtained fundamentally different results: whereas Spencer's analysis showed a cooling of the Earth's troposphere, the new analysis revealed a warming.

Using the analysis from Mears and Wentz, Santer showed that the new data was consistent with climate models and theories.

"When people come up with extraordinary claims -- like the troposphere is cooling -- then you demand extraordinary proof," Santer said. "What's happening now is that people around the world are subjecting these data sets to the scrutiny they need."
 
Given that the geologic record is littered with examples of warming and cooling trends that we know for certain were not caused by orbital forcing or the radiative forcing of CO2 and given that the previous interglacials were 2C warmer than today with 120 ppm less atmospheric CO2 than today and given the fact that the planet cooled for millions of years with atmospheric CO2 greater than 600 ppm, it doesn't sound like nothing to me. To me it sounds like a damn good reason to question their computer models which by their own admission are running too hot too fast.
Sure, sure name the times and present the sources of your argument.

Then consider how that is supposed to change our current fossil fuel driven warming today.
 
That's not what your stupid article from 2006 states idiot.

"It's like being outside on a hot day—it feels hotter when you are standing in the direct sun than when you are standing in the shade," Sherwood said.

Nowadays, radiosondes are better insulated against the effects of sunlight, but if analyzed together with the old data—which showed temperatures that were actually warmer than they really were—the overall effect looked like the troposphere was cooling.


The discrepancy between surface and atmospheric measurements has been used by for years by skeptics who dispute claims of global warming.

"Now we're learning that the disconnect is more apparent than real," said Ben Santer, an atmospheric scientists at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California and a lead author of another of the studies.

Argument evaporates
According to Santer, the only group to previously analyze satellite data on the troposphere -- the lowest layer in Earth's atmosphere -- was a research team headed by Roy Spencer from University of Alabama in 1992.

"This was used by some critics to say 'We don't believe in climate models, they're wrong,'" Santer told LiveScience. "Other people used the disconnect between what the satellites told and what surface thermometers told us to argue that the surface data were wrong and that earth wasn't really warming because satellites were much more accurate."

But in another Science paper published today, Carl Mears and Rank Wentz, scientists at the California-based Remote Sensing Systems, examined the same data and identified an error in Spencer's analysis technique.

After correcting for the mistake, the researchers obtained fundamentally different results: whereas Spencer's analysis showed a cooling of the Earth's troposphere, the new analysis revealed a warming.

Using the analysis from Mears and Wentz, Santer showed that the new data was consistent with climate models and theories.

"When people come up with extraordinary claims -- like the troposphere is cooling -- then you demand extraordinary proof," Santer said. "What's happening now is that people around the world are subjecting these data sets to the scrutiny they need."



Indeed, completely laughable. The most conflicted liars were simply allowed to fudge the data to fit the narrative, never mind the data actually completely refuted it. As time goes forward, this truth is more and more apparent....

There is no evidence other than FUDGE that increasing atmospheric Co2 warms the atmosphere.

the atmosphere is NOT WARMING
the oceans are NOT WARMING
there is NO BREAKOUT in CANES
there is NO OCEAN RISE
there is NO ONGOING NET ICE MELT



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Sure, sure name the times and present the sources of your argument.

Then consider how that is supposed to change our current fossil fuel driven warming today.
It's in the geologic record. Ice core, oxygen isotopes, etc. Are you telling me you don't know about these things?

I thought we already established I don't believe the present warming trend is caused by atmospheric CO2. So there's no issue. You do realize your carbon footprint isn't any different than anyone else's in America, right?
 
Indeed, completely laughable. The most conflicted liars were simply allowed to fudge the data to fit the narrative, never mind the data actually completely refuted it. As time goes forward, this truth is more and more apparent....

There is no evidence other than FUDGE that increasing atmospheric Co2 warms the atmosphere.

the atmosphere is NOT WARMING
the oceans are NOT WARMING
there is NO BREAKOUT in CANES
there is NO OCEAN RISE
there is NO ONGOING NET ICE MELT



R.f07e1807c72566c03e0787136917b2c4


Your presented article (which you apparently didn't read) doesn't support your idiotic assertion of no warming.

An article which everyone can read and laugh at YOU about.
 
It's in the geologic record. Ice core, oxygen isotopes, etc. Are you telling me you don't know about these things?

I thought we already established I don't believe the present warming trend is caused by atmospheric CO2. So there's no issue. You do realize your carbon footprint isn't any different than anyone else's in America, right?
They don't change the fact of our current human driven climate warming, do they.

Also, no one takes you seriously when you post stupid shit like CO2 doesn't affect warming.
 
They don't change the fact of our current human driven climate warming, do they.

Also, no one takes you seriously when you post stupid shit like CO2 doesn't affect warming.
Actually it does. I thought that was self evident.

There is a GHG effect of CO2. But their models amplify that by 2 to 3 times which is what I disagree with. You probably didn't even know that about their models. Did you?
 
Actually it does. I thought that was self evident.

There is a GHG effect of CO2. But their models amplify that by 2 to 3 times which is what I disagree with. You probably didn't even know that about their models. Did you?
You're an idiot on an idiot's errand.
 
You're an idiot on an idiot's errand.
So you are not aware of what they call positive feedback? Or that their models predict a positive feedback that is 2 to 3 times the GHG effect of CO2 alone. Their models are flawed. Even they admit it. Why don't you know this stuff?
 
So you are not aware of what they call positive feedback? Or that their models predict a positive feedback that is 2 to 3 times the GHG effect of CO2 alone. Their models are flawed. Even they admit it. Why don't you know this stuff?
Hilarious that think you're making a point.

Whose models are you referring too? The IPCC? Which have actual climate scientists...
 
Hilarious that think you're making a point.

Whose models are you referring too? The IPCC? Which have actual climate scientists...
Yes, those models. The ones you know nothing about. You do realize they have already admitted that their models are running too hot too fast, right?
 
Your presented article (which you apparently didn't read) doesn't support your idiotic assertion of no warming.

An article which everyone can read and laugh at YOU about.


Invalid.

Data showed NO WARMING.

Your side FUDGED THE DATA.

Is the atmosphere warming?

LOL!!!

NOT ACCORDING TO THE DATA....


Science is not about fudging data to fit a narrative.

Planet Earth is NOT WARMING and Co2 does not warm anything.
 
95% of the public never heard of the IPCC....d0y. Only the social oddballs delve into what the IPCC is talking about. :bye1:

The climate crusaders think they are going to change the world in internet community forums. None of the science mattering in the real world.

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95% of the public never heard of the IPCC....d0y. Only the social oddballs delve into what the IPCC is talking about. :bye1:

The climate crusaders think they are going to change the world in internet community forums. None of the science mattering in the real world.
The delusions of morons are all that matter until:

HULK SMASH!!!

Physics is The HULK.
 
The delusions of morons are all that matter until:

HULK SMASH!!!

Physics is The HULK.
Maybe in your small hands silo.

But in the rest of the world climate change has become too much of a reality to ignore/deny anymore.
 
I think that's precisely what he's saying.
No, it's not even close to the intent of his post. His post seems to assert that 95% of people don't care about climate change or extensive media coverage of the IPCC reports.
 
Indeed, completely laughable. The most conflicted liars were simply allowed to fudge the data to fit the narrative, never mind the data actually completely refuted it. As time goes forward, this truth is more and more apparent....

There is no evidence other than FUDGE that increasing atmospheric Co2 warms the atmosphere.

the atmosphere is NOT WARMING
the oceans are NOT WARMING
there is NO BREAKOUT in CANES
there is NO OCEAN RISE
there is NO ONGOING NET ICE MELT



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Dude, your article states that the corrected data showed more warmth, not less fuckup.
 

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