Climate Sensitivity per the IPCC

[EMH]

It's kinda dumb to be arguing that the planet isn't warming during an interglacial period. Especially one that is 2C cooler than previous interglacial periods.

Your claim of 2C warming is Urban Heat Sink plus FUDGE.

Atmospheric temps = FUDGE = NO WARMING

Ocean temps = FUDGE = NO WARMING = why there is NO BREAKOUT in CANES

Your definition of an "interglacial period" is complete BULLSHIT. Your definition of ICE AGE is COMPLETELY WRONG.

ICE AGES are CONTINENT SPECIFIC, and WE HAVE TWO TODAY, Antarctica 90% and Greenland 7%. What causes an ice age is when land gets to within 600 miles of a pole. There, the annual snowfall ceases to fully melt and starts to STACK. That is why NO LAND within 600 miles of a pole is not in ICE AGE today, and why all land outside of 600 miles of a pole is NOT IN ICE AGE like Alaska. ICE AGES are CONTINENT SPECIFIC because ice does not grow out over ocean, it BREAKS OFF.

The extent of how laughably pathetic the McBullshit (Milankovich) stuff is can only be put in perspective by comparing its claims to todays glacier data...

right here, READ and LEARN and stop parroting BULLSHIT FUDGE...

How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?

This is where the climate debate is now stuck. Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today. Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very...

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Your claim of 2C warming is Urban Heat Sink plus FUDGE.

Atmospheric temps = FUDGE = NO WARMING

Ocean temps = FUDGE = NO WARMING = why there is NO BREAKOUT in CANES

Your definition of an "interglacial period" is complete BULLSHIT. Your definition of ICE AGE is COMPLETELY WRONG.

ICE AGES are CONTINENT SPECIFIC, and WE HAVE TWO TODAY, Antarctica 90% and Greenland 7%. What causes an ice age is when land gets to within 600 miles of a pole. There, the annual snowfall ceases to fully melt and starts to STACK. That is why NO LAND within 600 miles of a pole is not in ICE AGE today, and why all land outside of 600 miles of a pole is NOT IN ICE AGE like Alaska. ICE AGES are CONTINENT SPECIFIC because ice does not grow out over ocean, it BREAKS OFF.

The extent of how laughably pathetic the McBullshit (Milankovich) stuff is can only be put in perspective by comparing its claims to todays glacier data...

right here, READ and LEARN and stop parroting BULLSHIT FUDGE...

How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?

This is where the climate debate is now stuck. Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today. Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very...

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No warming in an interglacial period? Doesn't that sound stupid when I say it?

 

[EMH]

No warming in an interglacial period?

The "interglacial period" bullshit comes from Milankovich, which is McBullshit.

Right now, we have a mature ice age on the south pole, Antarctica, which is 40 million years old, and a new ice age on Greenland, about 1 million years old. The 50 million year old North American Ice Age is almost completely gone save Ellesmere Island.

So where was the "interglacial" given that

Greenland froze while North America thawed????


Start the Jeopardy! music

 

[Crick]

otto105 Read the rules for Zone 2 in regards to replies being off topic, trolling, and flaming.

Can I point out that you would be very hard pressed to find any post by EMH in this thread that actually dealt with climate sensitivity.

 

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The "interglacial period" bullshit comes from Milankovich, which is McBullshit.

Right now, we have a mature ice age on the south pole, Antarctica, which is 40 million years old, and a new ice age on Greenland, about 1 million years old. The 50 million year old North American Ice Age is almost completely gone save Ellesmere Island.

So where was the "interglacial" given that

Greenland froze while North America thawed????


Start the Jeopardy! music

No. It comes from ice core and seafloor proxy data. And no one disputes it except for you. It's literally the basis of everything we know about the earth's temperature record.

 

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Can I point out that you would be very hard pressed to find any post by EMH in this thread that actually dealt with climate sensitivity.

Here you go, cry baby...

"...The ‘consensus’ of opinion is that the Earth’s climate sensitivity is quite high, and so warming of about 0.25 deg. C to 0.5 deg. C (about 0.5 deg. F to 0.9 deg. F) every 10 years can be expected for as long as mankind continues to use fossil fuels as our primary source of energy. NASA’s James Hansen claims that climate sensitivity is very high, and that we have already put too much extra CO2 in the atmosphere. Presumably this is why he and Al Gore are campaigning for a moratorium on the construction of any more coal-fired power plants in the U.S.

You would think that we’d know the Earth’s ‘climate sensitivity’ by now, but it has been surprisingly difficult to determine. How atmospheric processes like clouds and precipitation systems respond to warming is critical, as they are either amplifying the warming, or reducing it. This website currently concentrates on the response of clouds to warming, an issue which I am now convinced the scientific community has totally misinterpreted when they have measured natural, year-to-year fluctuations in the climate system. As a result of that confusion, they have the mistaken belief that climate sensitivity is high, when in fact the satellite evidence suggests climate sensitivity is low..."

Global Warming « Roy Spencer, PhD

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[EMH]

No. It comes from ice core and seafloor proxy data. And no one disputes it except for you. It's literally the basis of everything we know about the earth's temperature record.

No, your "data" claim is absolutely laughable.

THIS is the DATA. YOUR SIDE CANNOT EXPLAIN IT, because IT REFUTES Co2 as a cause.

GREENLAND FROZE while NORTH AMERICA THAWED, past 20k years, past 100k years, past 1 million years, TAKE YOUR PICK.


Greenland...

Completely unfrozen at the very northern part, totally green 2 million years ago

A 2-million-year-old ecosystem in Greenland uncovered by environmental DNA - Nature

Analysis of two-million-year-old ancient environmental DNA from the Kap København Formation in North Greenland shows there was an open boreal forest with diverse plant and animal species, of which several taxa have not previously been detected at the site, representing an ecosystem that has no...

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Center of Greenland goes from forest to ice age 400-800k years ago

Ancient Greenland Was Actually Green

Greenland was once carpeted in lush forests, a new study shows.

www.livescience.com

The Vikings were farming the southern tip of Greenland until frozen off by advancing ice age in the 1400s.


North American Ice Age

Ice still in Indiana 10k years ago

Google Search

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So, during the past 20k years, Greenland was adding ice, while North America was losing ice. Which one is the interglacial?

LOL!!!

This is what North America looked like 1 million years ago

 

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No, your "data" claim is absolutely laughable.

THIS is the DATA. YOUR SIDE CANNOT EXPLAIN IT, because IT REFUTES Co2 as a cause.

GREENLAND FROZE while NORTH AMERICA THAWED, past 20k years, past 100k years, past 1 million years, TAKE YOUR PICK.


Greenland...

Completely unfrozen at the very northern part, totally green 2 million years ago

A 2-million-year-old ecosystem in Greenland uncovered by environmental DNA - Nature

Analysis of two-million-year-old ancient environmental DNA from the Kap København Formation in North Greenland shows there was an open boreal forest with diverse plant and animal species, of which several taxa have not previously been detected at the site, representing an ecosystem that has no...

www.nature.com

Center of Greenland goes from forest to ice age 400-800k years ago

Ancient Greenland Was Actually Green

Greenland was once carpeted in lush forests, a new study shows.

www.livescience.com

The Vikings were farming the southern tip of Greenland until frozen off by advancing ice age in the 1400s.


North American Ice Age

Ice still in Indiana 10k years ago

Google Search

www.google.com

So, during the past 20k years, Greenland was adding ice, while North America was losing ice. Which one is the interglacial?

LOL!!!

This is what North America looked like 1 million years ago

Sorry but I can't get past you dismissing the historical record of the planet's empirical climate evidence. That's a non-starter with me. It would be dumb to discuss anything on this subject with you.

 

[EMH]

the historical record of the planet's empirical climate evidence

which is FUDGED FRAUD and outed as such by the DATA, the ACTUAL DATA.

Greenland froze while North America thawed. You cannot refute that, and that refuted Milankovich aka McBullshit, as does all data on ice age glacier today...

And that's all documented right here....

How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?

This is where the climate debate is now stuck. Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today. Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very...

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The "interglacial" stuff is 100% completely discredited bullshit, and it was done after homO's silence, because to admit the TRUTH that Greenland froze while North America thawed discredited Co2 completely.... so North American Ice Age, completely accepted prior to 2010 as 50 million years, became McBullshit, which laughably claims


an ice age that started in northern Canada 75k years earlier put 2.5 mile thick ice age glacier on Chicago in that time frame, off by at least a factor of 10 on every measure we have today of such ice age glacier, all documented in the link above.


In short, you are an intellectual inferior who parrots FUDGE AND FRAUD and is left dumbfounded and unable to debate the TRUTH of the DATA...

 

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which is FUDGED FRAUD and outed as such by the DATA, the ACTUAL DATA.

Greenland froze while North America thawed. You cannot refute that, and that refuted Milankovich aka McBullshit, as does all data on ice age glacier today...

And that's all documented right here....

How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?

This is where the climate debate is now stuck. Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today. Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very...

www.usmessageboard.com

The "interglacial" stuff is 100% completely discredited bullshit, and it was done after homO's silence, because to admit the TRUTH that Greenland froze while North America thawed discredited Co2 completely.... so North American Ice Age, completely accepted prior to 2010 as 50 million years, became McBullshit, which laughably claims


an ice age that started in northern Canada 75k years earlier put 2.5 mile thick ice age glacier on Chicago in that time frame, off by at least a factor of 10 on every measure we have today of such ice age glacier, all documented in the link above.


In short, you are an intellectual inferior who parrots FUDGE AND FRAUD and is left dumbfounded and unable to debate the TRUTH of the DATA...

I can't take you serious.

 

[skye]

it's all in the pay check....totally corrupt!

 

[Crick]

it's all in the pay check....totally corrupt!

Projection?

 

[skye]

 

[Crick]

If I let you get away with posting misinformation that only puts all of us in greater risk, I will have failed in my responsibilities as an American citizen and decent human being. Manmade global warming is quite real and a real threat to human well being. Thousands of scientists from all over the planet - who are not liars or thieves - have been studying it for decades. Accusations that it is some sort of conspiracy or hoax are absolutely nothing but ignorance.

 

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If I let you get away with posting misinformation that only puts all of us in greater risk, I will have failed in my responsibilities as an American citizen and decent human being. Manmade global warming is quite real and a real threat to human well being. Thousands of scientists from all over the planet - who are not liars or thieves - have been studying it for decades. Accusations that it is some sort of conspiracy or hoax are absolutely nothing but ignorance.

You let her? Do you think you are God?

Manmade global warming is not real. But if it were it wouldn't be the CO2 that is the issue. It would be the UHI and deforestation.

 

[Crick]

While of course scientists should study our climate and environment and the effects of different forces on both, honest scientists acknowledge that the Earth's climate is constantly changing and we have gone through numerous periods warmer than now as well as ice ages.

No one has ever claimed that Earth's climate has not changed throughout the planet's history nor that it hasn't been warmer in the past. The mistake here is your apparent assumption that these two points have any significant pertinence to this discusison.

The last ice age began 115,000 years ago and ended 11,700 years ago.

That is incorrect. You seem to be confusing ice ages with glacial periods. From Wikipedia

There have been five or six major ice ages in the history of Earth over the past 3 billion years. The Late Cenozoic Ice Age began 34 million years ago, its latest phase being the Quaternary glaciation, in progress since 2.58 million years ago.​

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Within ice ages, there exist periods of more severe glacial conditions and more temperate conditions, referred to as glacial periods and interglacial periods, respectively. The Earth is currently in such an interglacial period of the Quaternary glaciation, with the Last Glacial Period of the Quaternary having ended approximately 11,700 years ago. The current interglacial is known as the Holocene epoch.[1] Based on climate proxies, paleoclimatologists study the different climate states originating from glaciation​

The Earth undergoes many cool periods and many warm periods but will overall gradually warm until the next ice age and humankind has survived it all quite nicely.

The Earth has already passed the last peak of glacial warming at the Holocene Climatic Optimum (HCO), 11,700 years ago. Prior to manmade warming, Earth had been cooling for the last 5,000 years or so. We were on the downhill side of that glacial peak.

Until all scientists are heard and allowed to speak and not just those profiting from predictions of disastrous climate change. . .

All scientists are heard but not all of them are successful at making their cases. That's how science works. That's why we see few peer- reviewed studies published regarding the flat Earth, the geocentric model, intelligent design or creationism. The scientists you claim to be concerned about didn't get published because their work wasn't up to snuff.

until some scientific 'predictions' start happening and they stop moving the goal posts. . .

Unfortunately, the predictions you and many other deniers have been told came from serious, published climate scientists, were not. If you see a statement that says, in effect "X will happen in Y years" or "Z will never happen again", you can be certain it was not made by a published scientist or is an inaccurate quotation. The work of scientists consistently makes use of modal nouns, particularly in anything even resembling a prediction. The conclusions of science are always qualified and the predictions re global warming and continued CO2 emissions have been simple and have all come true: 1) Atmospheric CO2 will continue to rise 2) Global temperatures will continue to rise 3) The world's ice will continue to melt and 4) Global sea level will continue to rise.

until 'climate scientists' and/or their spokespersons stop falsifying or 'editing' data to eliminate extenuating evidence. . .

Do you have any specifics to fill those charges in just a bit? And while you're at that, do you have any evidence?

until those making and repeating the predictions start living their lives as if they actually believed them. . .

Oi vey. Global warming must be a hoax because Barack Obama bought an ocean front property. That's as spineless a copout as could be put together.

until the draconian measures they force on us to reduce CO2 make any difference whatsoever. . .

What draconian measures have been forced on you? And the measures that have been taken - primarily voluntarily by corporations, local governments and individuals - have made a difference. Not enough of one, but a difference none the less.

I will not believe climate change is the largest existential threat faced by humankind

It can be a significant threat - and one requiring committed action - without being the absolute worst. Global warming is not going to driven humans extinct under even the worst case scenario, though the distinction may be irrelevant to the numbers that will suffer and die as a result.

and will believe governments should focus on constructive ways to adapt to it instead of trying to control it.

Why can't we do both?

 

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[EMH]

You seem to be confusing ice ages

LMFAO!!!

And according to you, Antarctica today is not an ICE AGE, never mind it is covered with 2+ miles of ice....

 

[Crick]

You never write anything. You just post pictures. How come?

 

[skye]