Climate Science Doubts: Not Because of Payment, but Because the Science Is Bad

[jc456]

Now how much has the temperature changed in that period of time... source please.

Did you not just claim that the Earth has warmed since 1979? Why do you need me to tell you how much?

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Your plot is out of date.

Now how much has the temperature changed in that period of time... source please.

Did you not just claim that the Earth has warmed since 1979? Why do you need me to tell you how much?

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Now how much has the temperature changed in that period of time... source please.

Did you not just claim that the Earth has warmed since 1979? Why do you need me to tell you how much?

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Your plot is out of date. It also doesn't start until 2002 for some stupid reason.

because he highlighted dude. OMG how stupid can someone be.

 

[jc456]

But WE KNOW the Socialist gov'ts around the world GRANT the Coalition of liars to say it's true! Climate change the new Socialism!

Did you read the link?

Yes, now read this

Report 95 percent of global warming models are wrong The Daily Caller

Read the studies given in the article I shared plus reports by skeptics that confirm AGW and the consensus.

do you believe the arctic will be ice free next summer?

Decreasing sea ice volume is more important.

that wasn't an answer to my question, why did you not answer the question. it's a yes or no response.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Now how much has the temperature changed in that period of time... source please.

Did you not just claim that the Earth has warmed since 1979? Why do you need me to tell you how much?

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Your plot is out of date.

Now how much has the temperature changed in that period of time... source please.

Did you not just claim that the Earth has warmed since 1979? Why do you need me to tell you how much?

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Now how much has the temperature changed in that period of time... source please.

Did you not just claim that the Earth has warmed since 1979? Why do you need me to tell you how much?

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Your plot is out of date. It also doesn't start until 2002 for some stupid reason.

because he highlighted dude. OMG how stupid can someone be.

I don't know, but you sure are pushing the edge of the envelope on that one

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Denier and consensus are cult terms and never used by real scientists

I'm a real scientist. I use the word.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Denier and consensus are cult terms and never used by real scientists

I'm a real scientist. I use the word.

Like I said, no real scientists uses those terms. Thanks for underscoring it

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Denier and consensus are cult terms and never used by real scientists

I'm a real scientist. I use the word.

Like I said, no real scientists uses those terms. Thanks for underscoring it

Are you suggesting astrophysics isn't a 'real science' ?

 

[mamooth]

jc, why do you think the arctic will be ice free in 2016?

You're the only one making that claim, so you ought to justify it. The Navy certainly didn't make that prediction. A denier lying about what the Navy supposedly said only makes deniers look bad.

So, why do all the deniers keep making these kook predictions about an ice-free arctic?

 

[jc456]

Now how much has the temperature changed in that period of time... source please.

Did you not just claim that the Earth has warmed since 1979? Why do you need me to tell you how much?

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Your plot is out of date.

Now how much has the temperature changed in that period of time... source please.

Did you not just claim that the Earth has warmed since 1979? Why do you need me to tell you how much?

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Now how much has the temperature changed in that period of time... source please.

Did you not just claim that the Earth has warmed since 1979? Why do you need me to tell you how much?

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Your plot is out of date. It also doesn't start until 2002 for some stupid reason.

because he highlighted dude. OMG how stupid can someone be.

I don't know, but you sure are pushing the edge of the envelope on that one

huh, you acting goofy again? Look at the line above the graph it says, since 2002 the trend is cooling. Now goof, what do you supposed that means? Don't need to look it up on line either. Please what does it mean?

Edit, you probably think it means it's been cooling since 1992, right, because it isn't mentioned anywhere in the line. But you, showing all your goofy, point out something that wasn't ever included missing. yep strong goofiness right there. Thanks for the chuckles today .

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Denier and consensus are cult terms and never used by real scientists

I'm a real scientist. I use the word.

Like I said, no real scientists uses those terms. Thanks for underscoring it

Are you suggesting astrophysics isn't a 'real science' ?

Astrophysics is a real science, but people who use the terms "Consensus" or "Denier" are not scientists

 

[Billy_Bob]

Now how much has the temperature changed in that period of time... source please.

Did you not just claim that the Earth has warmed since 1979? Why do you need me to tell you how much?

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Your plot is out of date.

Now how much has the temperature changed in that period of time... source please.

Did you not just claim that the Earth has warmed since 1979? Why do you need me to tell you how much?

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Now how much has the temperature changed in that period of time... source please.

Did you not just claim that the Earth has warmed since 1979? Why do you need me to tell you how much?

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Your plot is out of date. It also doesn't start until 2002 for some stupid reason.

Too Funny.. You say that you are a scientist but cant read a very simple graph....

 

[Billy_Bob]

Denier and consensus are cult terms and never used by real scientists

I'm a real scientist. I use the word.

Like I said, no real scientists uses those terms. Thanks for underscoring it

Are you suggesting astrophysics isn't a 'real science' ?

Astrophysics is a real science, but people who use the terms "Consensus" or "Denier" are not scientists

No they are not, they are cult driven propagandists that dont have a lick of any empirical evidence to support their position. But you knew that...

 

[Billy_Bob]

Now how much has the temperature changed in that period of time... source please.

Did you not just claim that the Earth has warmed since 1979? Why do you need me to tell you how much?

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Your plot is out of date.

Now how much has the temperature changed in that period of time... source please.

Did you not just claim that the Earth has warmed since 1979? Why do you need me to tell you how much?

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Now how much has the temperature changed in that period of time... source please.

Did you not just claim that the Earth has warmed since 1979? Why do you need me to tell you how much?

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Your plot is out of date. It also doesn't start until 2002 for some stupid reason.

because he highlighted dude. OMG how stupid can someone be.

Its like explaining life to a rock.... The rock will never figure it out....

 

[ralfy]

Did you read the link?

Yes, now read this

Report 95 percent of global warming models are wrong The Daily Caller

Read the studies given in the article I shared plus reports by skeptics that confirm AGW and the consensus.

do you believe the arctic will be ice free next summer?

Decreasing sea ice volume is more important.

Its not. Sea ice volume does not affect sea level.

It should for obvious reasons.

 

[ralfy]

Denier and consensus are cult terms and never used by real scientists

Not likely for reasons given earlier. Also, scientists are by default skeptics, which is why they study the matter continuously.

The problem is that governments, households, businesses, and other groups want to know what to do about the problem. Since we also face pollution and peak oil, then the only logical thing to do is to decrease fossil fuel consumption.

The IEA, various multinational banks, and other groups have been suggesting that in their reports. Even several oil companies have been investing in other energy sources.

 

[ralfy]

Did you read the link?

Yes, now read this

Report 95 percent of global warming models are wrong The Daily Caller

Read the studies given in the article I shared plus reports by skeptics that confirm AGW and the consensus.

do you believe the arctic will be ice free next summer?

Decreasing sea ice volume is more important.

that wasn't an answer to my question, why did you not answer the question. it's a yes or no response.

As I said, it is very difficult to predict such occurrences, as climate models have not been able to account for around 50 feedback loops. Keep in mind that sea ice is only one of multiple factors involved. For example, I recall that it was estimated that methane would be escaping from sea floors and the tundra decades from now. That phenomenon started around a decade ago.

In the end, what should matter is not predictions of ice-free caps but trend lines, and both show a downward trend for sea ice extent and volume. Similar issues are taking place for 49 other feedback loops.

Finally, what should be noted is the accuracy of the models. Recent studies show that they have been so.

 

[ralfy]

Denier and consensus are cult terms and never used by real scientists

I'm a real scientist. I use the word.

Like I said, no real scientists uses those terms. Thanks for underscoring it

But skeptics have used the term and argue that there is none, while their own study confirms it:

Climate contrarians accidentally confirm the 97 global warming consensus Dana Nuccitelli Environment The Guardian

 

[ralfy]

Did you not just claim that the Earth has warmed since 1979? Why do you need me to tell you how much?

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Your plot is out of date.

Did you not just claim that the Earth has warmed since 1979? Why do you need me to tell you how much?

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Did you not just claim that the Earth has warmed since 1979? Why do you need me to tell you how much?

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Your plot is out of date. It also doesn't start until 2002 for some stupid reason.

because he highlighted dude. OMG how stupid can someone be.

I don't know, but you sure are pushing the edge of the envelope on that one

huh, you acting goofy again? Look at the line above the graph it says, since 2002 the trend is cooling. Now goof, what do you supposed that means? Don't need to look it up on line either. Please what does it mean?

Edit, you probably think it means it's been cooling since 1992, right, because it isn't mentioned anywhere in the line. But you, showing all your goofy, point out something that wasn't ever included missing. yep strong goofiness right there. Thanks for the chuckles today .

Surface temperature anomaly goes up and down every few years, but the trend line is upward:

The Escalator

 

[ralfy]

Denier and consensus are cult terms and never used by real scientists

I'm a real scientist. I use the word.

Like I said, no real scientists uses those terms. Thanks for underscoring it

Are you suggesting astrophysics isn't a 'real science' ?

Astrophysics is a real science, but people who use the terms "Consensus" or "Denier" are not scientists

Related:

GSA Today - Groundwork - An Astrophysicist Looks at Global Warming

 

[Billy_Bob]

Yes, now read this

Report 95 percent of global warming models are wrong The Daily Caller

Read the studies given in the article I shared plus reports by skeptics that confirm AGW and the consensus.

do you believe the arctic will be ice free next summer?

Decreasing sea ice volume is more important.

that wasn't an answer to my question, why did you not answer the question. it's a yes or no response.

As I said, it is very difficult to predict such occurrences, as climate models have not been able to account for around 50 feedback loops. Keep in mind that sea ice is only one of multiple factors involved. For example, I recall that it was estimated that methane would be escaping from sea floors and the tundra decades from now. That phenomenon started around a decade ago.

In the end, what should matter is not predictions of ice-free caps but trend lines, and both show a downward trend for sea ice extent and volume. Similar issues are taking place for 49 other feedback loops.

Finally, what should be noted is the accuracy of the models. Recent studies show that they have been so.

Methane release has been going on for hundreds of millions of years. IT did not just magically start 10 years ago, we only noticed it ten years ago. This is the logical fallacy of AGW and all its tenets.. If we didn't notice it it must be man caused... idiots..

 

[Billy_Bob]

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Your plot is out of date.

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Actually... the warming stopped about 1996-1997. It has now been 18 years 4 months with no warming... A Zero trend.. Unless you count the unwarranted adjustments made by alarmist shills at NASA ans NOAA.

Since 2002 the trend is now cooling..

Your plot is out of date. It also doesn't start until 2002 for some stupid reason.

because he highlighted dude. OMG how stupid can someone be.

I don't know, but you sure are pushing the edge of the envelope on that one

huh, you acting goofy again? Look at the line above the graph it says, since 2002 the trend is cooling. Now goof, what do you supposed that means? Don't need to look it up on line either. Please what does it mean?

Edit, you probably think it means it's been cooling since 1992, right, because it isn't mentioned anywhere in the line. But you, showing all your goofy, point out something that wasn't ever included missing. yep strong goofiness right there. Thanks for the chuckles today .

Surface temperature anomaly goes up and down every few years, but the trend line is upward:

The Escalator

Wrong again... but I have come to expect no less from a left wing shill.

The average is almost flat over 200 years. The solar cycles plotted above and the temperature deviations in deg C are plotted as well. This also (pardon my mouse writing as i am using substandard programs) with my additions show warming, cooling, inactive storm periods and active storm periods since 1800. We have just entered the phase of cooling and very low storm energy globally.

Your "every few years" is to small a time frame to show what is actually happening globally and over sufficient term lengths to matter.

Original Graph by Bob Tisdale