Climate "Science" 101: Excess Heat

jc456 · Aug 17, 2015

BTW, still don't know what excess heat means with these k00ks. There still is not a definition that was provided. I believe Crickster has me on ignore so he won't reply to me. But, his magic heat still hasn't been explained, nor a source from where it came.

DrDoomNGloom · Aug 17, 2015

jc456 said:
BTW, still don't know what excess heat means with these k00ks. There still is not definition that was provided. I believe Crickster has me on ignore so he won't reply to me. But, his magic heat still hasn't been explained, nor a source from where it came.

No he want come out as long as I am around because I see straight through his shit and make it where the rest can see how moronic his shit is.

jc456 · Aug 17, 2015

DrDoomNGloom said:
jc456 said:

BTW, still don't know what excess heat means with these k00ks. There still is not definition that was provided. I believe Crickster has me on ignore so he won't reply to me. But, his magic heat still hasn't been explained, nor a source from where it came.

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No he want come out as long as I am around because I see straight through his shit and make it where the rest can see how moronic his shit is.

but he will continue to post it up there though. He ignores me because he couldn't debate. He couldn't post up that one experiment that would show validation to his claim. Although he posted it over a thousand times.

And then there's the thousand scientists, and no list. Now it's excess heat and no definition.

For me he and the IPCC are stating that all of the missing heat went to the bottom of the ocean. The 'Missing Heat' Not excess heat, the missing heat, so the heat that never was in the atmosphere ended up on the bottom of the ocean. It's classic. Again, you don't need to be a scientist. you just have to understand logic, and when weather in Chicago last year was the same as the 1980s, I call foul on climate change. When the cycles repeat and repeat similarly, it's tough to argue that things are changing. Instead the bright warmers state that North America doesn't count in the global numbers. It's hysterical.

flacaltenn · Aug 17, 2015

CrusaderFrank said:
Topic for discussion:

What is Excess Heat?

Where was this excess heat hiding before being absorbed by the oceans

Describe the mechanism by which the ocean absorbs excess heat. The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that this process occurs from the surface all the dow to the bottom of the Laurentian Abyss

Answers:

1) Excess heat is the amount of heat required to raise the Earth's temperatures above the the Spring of 1900 idyllic values. It only exists when the surface temperatures RISE, If they FAIL to RISE --- then and only then do we see excess heat in "HIDING"...

2) It can only be HIDING or Warming the 100,000 thermometers in the HadleyCrut network of thermometers. Might NOT be detected by satellite because it's not Hiding in the lower Troposphere. When it stops warming the GISS temperature records, the records are changed because it was hiding in remote areas of the planet that are underserved by the 100,000 thermometer network. And to avoid appearances of racial and ethnic bias -- those areas are warmed a bit...

3) In the years in which the temperature fails to rise enough to make monthly Govt press releases, enough temperature is "redistributed" to the poorly covered areas. This entitlement eventually trickles down to oceans thru conventional water cycle and weather. Since a lot of the poorly serviced areas are in ice-bound regions, Increased activity of sea life and ship traffic thru those regions aid in the mixing process as the ice melts..

Seriously -- look at the classic (and never illuminated) Ocean ate my Warming paper by Trenberth et al. There was NEVER A NEED for excess heat to go into hiding until the 1960s.. And the RATE of deep ocean warming stayed constant or DECLINED during the "pause".. So someone obviously failed to call "alli alli oxen free" and release that hiding excess when they needed it

CrusaderFrank · Aug 17, 2015

flacaltenn said:
CrusaderFrank said:

Topic for discussion:

What is Excess Heat?

Where was this excess heat hiding before being absorbed by the oceans

Describe the mechanism by which the ocean absorbs excess heat. The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that this process occurs from the surface all the dow to the bottom of the Laurentian Abyss

Click to expand...

Answers:

1) Excess heat is the amount of heat required to raise the Earth's temperatures above the the Spring of 1900 idyllic values. It only exists when the surface temperatures RISE, If they FAIL to RISE --- then and only then do we see excess heat in "HIDING"...

2) It can only be HIDING or Warming the 100,000 thermometers in the HadleyCrut network of thermometers. Might NOT be detected by satellite because it's not Hiding in the lower Troposphere. When it stops warming the GISS temperature records, the records are changed because it was hiding in remote areas of the planet that are underserved by the 100,000 thermometer network. And to avoid appearances of racial and ethnic bias -- those areas are warmed a bit...

3) In the years in which the temperature fails to rise enough to make monthly Govt press releases, enough temperature is "redistributed" to the poorly covered areas. This entitlement eventually trickles down to oceans thru conventional water cycle and weather. Since a lot of the poorly serviced areas are in ice-bound regions, Increased activity of sea life and ship traffic thru those regions aid in the mixing process as the ice melts..

Seriously -- look at the classic (and never illuminated) Ocean ate my Warming paper by Trenberth et al. There was NEVER A NEED for excess heat to go into hiding until the 1960s.. And the RATE of deep ocean warming stayed constant or DECLINED during the "pause".. So someone obviously failed to call "alli alli oxen free" and release that hiding excess when they needed it

So the excess heat is reallocated per the recent SCOTUS disparate impact ruling

flacaltenn · Aug 17, 2015

CrusaderFrank said:
flacaltenn said:

CrusaderFrank said:

Topic for discussion:

What is Excess Heat?

Where was this excess heat hiding before being absorbed by the oceans

Describe the mechanism by which the ocean absorbs excess heat. The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that this process occurs from the surface all the dow to the bottom of the Laurentian Abyss

Click to expand...

Answers:

1) Excess heat is the amount of heat required to raise the Earth's temperatures above the the Spring of 1900 idyllic values. It only exists when the surface temperatures RISE, If they FAIL to RISE --- then and only then do we see excess heat in "HIDING"...

2) It can only be HIDING or Warming the 100,000 thermometers in the HadleyCrut network of thermometers. Might NOT be detected by satellite because it's not Hiding in the lower Troposphere. When it stops warming the GISS temperature records, the records are changed because it was hiding in remote areas of the planet that are underserved by the 100,000 thermometer network. And to avoid appearances of racial and ethnic bias -- those areas are warmed a bit...

3) In the years in which the temperature fails to rise enough to make monthly Govt press releases, enough temperature is "redistributed" to the poorly covered areas. This entitlement eventually trickles down to oceans thru conventional water cycle and weather. Since a lot of the poorly serviced areas are in ice-bound regions, Increased activity of sea life and ship traffic thru those regions aid in the mixing process as the ice melts..

Seriously -- look at the classic (and never illuminated) Ocean ate my Warming paper by Trenberth et al. There was NEVER A NEED for excess heat to go into hiding until the 1960s.. And the RATE of deep ocean warming stayed constant or DECLINED during the "pause".. So someone obviously failed to call "alli alli oxen free" and release that hiding excess when they needed it

Click to expand...

So the excess heat is reallocated per the recent SCOTUS disparate impact ruling

Exactly.. And you heard the Prez talking about Global Warming as a "social justice" issue -- did you not?? Yet another PSEUDO-enviro making political hay with a serious topic...

Hey Frank -- What set of numbers comes out of Washington lately that ISN'T hiding something explosive. Like all that excess heat?

Crick · Aug 17, 2015

flacaltenn said:
Seriously -- look at the classic (and never illuminated) Ocean ate my Warming paper by Trenberth et al. There was NEVER A NEED for excess heat to go into hiding until the 1960s.. And the RATE of deep ocean warming stayed constant or DECLINED during the "pause".. So someone obviously failed to call "alli alli oxen free" and release that hiding excess when they needed it

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Stayed constant or declined during the pause? Let's bring back a few of those comments about reading graphs.

flacaltenn · Aug 17, 2015

Crick said:
flacaltenn said:

Seriously -- look at the classic (and never illuminated) Ocean ate my Warming paper by Trenberth et al. There was NEVER A NEED for excess heat to go into hiding until the 1960s.. And the RATE of deep ocean warming stayed constant or DECLINED during the "pause".. So someone obviously failed to call "alli alli oxen free" and release that hiding excess when they needed it

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Stayed constant or declined during the pause? Let's bring back a few of those comments about reading graphs.

Not gonna fudge --- you can't read a graph. Not a one. And your memory is lousy as well since we've had this EXACT conversion TWICE before..

When did the "pause" begin? Look at the graphs for THAT PERIOD of time (i'll cheat and tell you to look ONLY above 2000 to the end)) -- and NOTICE that the RATE OF STORAGE (the slope on those graphs) actually DECLINES during the pause. That is what I meant by "the RATE" of warming declined.. It is particularly apparent in the black Upper 300 graph, but it appears in ALL of them.

So if the oceans STOLE heat out of the surface/atmos interaction during the pause -- would you expect the ocean warming to ACCELERATE or DECELERATE?

I could be a toad and insist on using the NOAA version of these graphs. The ones that DONT have phoney "volcanic signatures" showing up 700 meters deep.. But I won't. You can keep thinking this BTK study is actual data.

And I COULD also SUPPORT this concept of deep ocean warming as very delayed (retarded would be better) reaction to a warming that MIGHT have occurred even 100 years prior. Because we know that once it's stored, it tends to be very complex thermal redistribution and could take DECADES to equalize..

CrusaderFrank · Aug 17, 2015

flacaltenn said:
Crick said:

flacaltenn said:

Seriously -- look at the classic (and never illuminated) Ocean ate my Warming paper by Trenberth et al. There was NEVER A NEED for excess heat to go into hiding until the 1960s.. And the RATE of deep ocean warming stayed constant or DECLINED during the "pause".. So someone obviously failed to call "alli alli oxen free" and release that hiding excess when they needed it

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Stayed constant or declined during the pause? Let's bring back a few of those comments about reading graphs.

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Not gonna fudge --- you can't read a graph. Not a one. And your memory is lousy as well since we've had this EXACT conversion TWICE before..

When did the "pause" begin? Look at the graphs for THAT PERIOD of time (i'll cheat and tell you to look ONLY above 2000 to the end)) -- and NOTICE that the RATE OF STORAGE (the slope on those graphs) actually DECLINES during the pause. That is what I meant by "the RATE" of warming declined.. It is particularly apparent in the black Upper 300 graph, but it appears in ALL of them.

So if the oceans STOLE heat out of the surface/atmos interaction during the pause -- would you expect the ocean warming to ACCELERATE or DECELERATE?

I could be a toad and insist on using the NOAA version of these graphs. The ones that DONT have phoney "volcanic signatures" showing up 700 meters deep.. But I won't. You can keep thinking this BTK study is actual data.

And I COULD also SUPPORT this concept of deep ocean warming as very delayed (retarded would be better) reaction to a warming that MIGHT have occurred even 100 years prior. Because we know that once it's stored, it tends to be very complex thermal redistribution and could take DECADES to equalize..

The AGWCult screwed itself with its "the ocean ate my warming" excuse

Crick · Aug 17, 2015

Frank, scroll up three posts so that you can see the Balmaseda, Trenberth & Kallen graphic. Tell us what the three temperature bands do on the right side of the green vertical bar (the 97/98 el Nino).

Crick · Aug 17, 2015

flacaltenn said:
Crick said:

flacaltenn said:

Seriously -- look at the classic (and never illuminated) Ocean ate my Warming paper by Trenberth et al. There was NEVER A NEED for excess heat to go into hiding until the 1960s.. And the RATE of deep ocean warming stayed constant or DECLINED during the "pause".. So someone obviously failed to call "alli alli oxen free" and release that hiding excess when they needed it

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Stayed constant or declined during the pause? Let's bring back a few of those comments about reading graphs.

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Not gonna fudge --- you can't read a graph. Not a one. And your memory is lousy as well since we've had this EXACT conversion TWICE before..

When did the "pause" begin? Look at the graphs for THAT PERIOD of time (i'll cheat and tell you to look ONLY above 2000 to the end)) -- and NOTICE that the RATE OF STORAGE (the slope on those graphs) actually DECLINES during the pause. That is what I meant by "the RATE" of warming declined.. It is particularly apparent in the black Upper 300 graph, but it appears in ALL of them.

So if the oceans STOLE heat out of the surface/atmos interaction during the pause -- would you expect the ocean warming to ACCELERATE or DECELERATE?

I could be a toad and insist on using the NOAA version of these graphs. The ones that DONT have phoney "volcanic signatures" showing up 700 meters deep.. But I won't. You can keep thinking this BTK study is actual data.

And I COULD also SUPPORT this concept of deep ocean warming as very delayed (retarded would be better) reaction to a warming that MIGHT have occurred even 100 years prior. Because we know that once it's stored, it tends to be very complex thermal redistribution and could take DECADES to equalize..

In the year 2000, the slope of those temperature trends INCREASE dramatically. That increase eventually falls off, but if you want to say it decreases in 2000, then you have no issue with lying.

flacaltenn · Aug 17, 2015

Crick said:
flacaltenn said:

Crick said:

flacaltenn said:

Seriously -- look at the classic (and never illuminated) Ocean ate my Warming paper by Trenberth et al. There was NEVER A NEED for excess heat to go into hiding until the 1960s.. And the RATE of deep ocean warming stayed constant or DECLINED during the "pause".. So someone obviously failed to call "alli alli oxen free" and release that hiding excess when they needed it

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Stayed constant or declined during the pause? Let's bring back a few of those comments about reading graphs.

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Not gonna fudge --- you can't read a graph. Not a one. And your memory is lousy as well since we've had this EXACT conversion TWICE before..

When did the "pause" begin? Look at the graphs for THAT PERIOD of time (i'll cheat and tell you to look ONLY above 2000 to the end)) -- and NOTICE that the RATE OF STORAGE (the slope on those graphs) actually DECLINES during the pause. That is what I meant by "the RATE" of warming declined.. It is particularly apparent in the black Upper 300 graph, but it appears in ALL of them.

So if the oceans STOLE heat out of the surface/atmos interaction during the pause -- would you expect the ocean warming to ACCELERATE or DECELERATE?

I could be a toad and insist on using the NOAA version of these graphs. The ones that DONT have phoney "volcanic signatures" showing up 700 meters deep.. But I won't. You can keep thinking this BTK study is actual data.

And I COULD also SUPPORT this concept of deep ocean warming as very delayed (retarded would be better) reaction to a warming that MIGHT have occurred even 100 years prior. Because we know that once it's stored, it tends to be very complex thermal redistribution and could take DECADES to equalize..

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In the year 2000, the slope of those temperature trends INCREASE dramatically. That increase eventually falls off, but if you want to say it decreases in 2000, then you have no issue with lying.

That perturbation right at 2000 is an artifact of their modeling.. Doesn't exist in the REAL MEASURED data from NOAA. No lying involved. The slope DECREASES over the period of the pause.

Now tell us --- How did the oceans STEAL missing heat from the surface if it SLOWED the rate of it's EATING heat during the pause. ???

flacaltenn · Aug 17, 2015

That BTW is just ONE of the good reasons why you nor I have seen a follow-up FULL SCALE paper to this BTK "work"... The other is that NOAA questioned their methods and results and couldn't agree with HOW "excess heat" in the infrared bands due to CO2 created any of this deep ocean heating...

Crick · Aug 17, 2015

FCT said:
Nor have I see a follow-up, FULL SCALE paper...

92 articles have cited BTK 2013. Here are the first 20

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CrusaderFrank · Aug 17, 2015

Crick said:
Frank, scroll up three posts so that you can see the Balmaseda, Trenberth & Kallen graphic. Tell us what the three temperature bands do on the right side of the green vertical bar (the 97/98 el Nino).

Your guys monkeyed with the numbers.

BFD

Crick · Aug 17, 2015

flacaltenn said:
Crick said:

flacaltenn said:

Crick said:

flacaltenn said:

Seriously -- look at the classic (and never illuminated) Ocean ate my Warming paper by Trenberth et al. There was NEVER A NEED for excess heat to go into hiding until the 1960s.. And the RATE of deep ocean warming stayed constant or DECLINED during the "pause".. So someone obviously failed to call "alli alli oxen free" and release that hiding excess when they needed it

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Stayed constant or declined during the pause? Let's bring back a few of those comments about reading graphs.

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Not gonna fudge --- you can't read a graph. Not a one. And your memory is lousy as well since we've had this EXACT conversion TWICE before..

When did the "pause" begin? Look at the graphs for THAT PERIOD of time (i'll cheat and tell you to look ONLY above 2000 to the end)) -- and NOTICE that the RATE OF STORAGE (the slope on those graphs) actually DECLINES during the pause. That is what I meant by "the RATE" of warming declined.. It is particularly apparent in the black Upper 300 graph, but it appears in ALL of them.

So if the oceans STOLE heat out of the surface/atmos interaction during the pause -- would you expect the ocean warming to ACCELERATE or DECELERATE?

I could be a toad and insist on using the NOAA version of these graphs. The ones that DONT have phoney "volcanic signatures" showing up 700 meters deep.. But I won't. You can keep thinking this BTK study is actual data.

And I COULD also SUPPORT this concept of deep ocean warming as very delayed (retarded would be better) reaction to a warming that MIGHT have occurred even 100 years prior. Because we know that once it's stored, it tends to be very complex thermal redistribution and could take DECADES to equalize..

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In the year 2000, the slope of those temperature trends INCREASE dramatically. That increase eventually falls off, but if you want to say it decreases in 2000, then you have no issue with lying.

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That perturbation right at 2000 is an artifact of their modeling.. Doesn't exist in the REAL MEASURED data from NOAA. No lying involved. The slope DECREASES over the period of the pause.

Now tell us --- How did the oceans STEAL missing heat from the surface if it SLOWED the rate of it's EATING heat during the pause. ???

Let's see your data.

CrusaderFrank · Aug 17, 2015

How did a wisp of atmospheric CO2 warm the ocean down to 700m?

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Crick · Aug 17, 2015

CrusaderFrank said:
Crick said:

Frank, scroll up three posts so that you can see the Balmaseda, Trenberth & Kallen graphic. Tell us what the three temperature bands do on the right side of the green vertical bar (the 97/98 el Nino).

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Your guys monkeyed with the numbers.

BFD

I take it from this statement that you're unwilling to admit that they rise precipitously. Unsurprising but good to know.

Crick · Aug 17, 2015

CrusaderFrank said:
How did a wisp of atmospheric CO2 warm the ocean down to 700m?

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Has FCT spoken to you about staying on topic?

IanC · Aug 17, 2015

flacaltenn said:
Crick said:

flacaltenn said:

Crick said:

flacaltenn said:

Seriously -- look at the classic (and never illuminated) Ocean ate my Warming paper by Trenberth et al. There was NEVER A NEED for excess heat to go into hiding until the 1960s.. And the RATE of deep ocean warming stayed constant or DECLINED during the "pause".. So someone obviously failed to call "alli alli oxen free" and release that hiding excess when they needed it

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Stayed constant or declined during the pause? Let's bring back a few of those comments about reading graphs.

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Not gonna fudge --- you can't read a graph. Not a one. And your memory is lousy as well since we've had this EXACT conversion TWICE before..

When did the "pause" begin? Look at the graphs for THAT PERIOD of time (i'll cheat and tell you to look ONLY above 2000 to the end)) -- and NOTICE that the RATE OF STORAGE (the slope on those graphs) actually DECLINES during the pause. That is what I meant by "the RATE" of warming declined.. It is particularly apparent in the black Upper 300 graph, but it appears in ALL of them.

So if the oceans STOLE heat out of the surface/atmos interaction during the pause -- would you expect the ocean warming to ACCELERATE or DECELERATE?

I could be a toad and insist on using the NOAA version of these graphs. The ones that DONT have phoney "volcanic signatures" showing up 700 meters deep.. But I won't. You can keep thinking this BTK study is actual data.

And I COULD also SUPPORT this concept of deep ocean warming as very delayed (retarded would be better) reaction to a warming that MIGHT have occurred even 100 years prior. Because we know that once it's stored, it tends to be very complex thermal redistribution and could take DECADES to equalize..

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In the year 2000, the slope of those temperature trends INCREASE dramatically. That increase eventually falls off, but if you want to say it decreases in 2000, then you have no issue with lying.

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That perturbation right at 2000 is an artifact of their modeling.. Doesn't exist in the REAL MEASURED data from NOAA. No lying involved. The slope DECREASES over the period of the pause.

Now tell us --- How did the oceans STEAL missing heat from the surface if it SLOWED the rate of it's EATING heat during the pause. ???

The correlations with the volcanoes didn't appear until the data was 'reanalysed' either.

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Washington is sinking.....

Climate "Science" 101: Excess Heat

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