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Immaterial- man ain't gonna change the climate- innovation will help adapt not rules taxes or gov't bullshit.
Climate Crisis Is Not Global Warming, It Is Cooling
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flack
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Climate
Published 5 hours ago
Explosion in Antarctic sea ice levels may cause another ice age
By Chris Ciaccia | Fox News
Published 5 hours ago
Explosion in Antarctic sea ice levels may cause another ice age
By Chris Ciaccia | Fox News
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Buy stock in heater manufacturers.
ReinyDays
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I'm new here and still trying to get a bead on what passes for knowledge around here ... your citations are mixed and focus on land ... my specific question was the 79% of the Earth's surface that's open ocean ... I did follow the shout out to MODIS and this experiment sounds like it should provide the data we're looking for over the longer time periods ... but we're still ten years away from beginning to get good data and maybe 30 years before any preliminary conclusions can be sought ... there's just too much dynamic contamination in the day-to-day or decade-to-decade comparisons ... SSDD's first link makes the claim that the IPCC Fit the Fifth low-balled the biology, and that all their temperature increase claims need to be scaled back some ... though I'm not sure how we scale back the 2ÂşC claim without dancing with instrumentation error ...
I'm curious about your use of the term "albedo" ... this is a dimensionless ratio of reflected radiation over incident radiation ... and this value at the North Pole is currently undefinable ... the 5 month polar night has begun there, thus no incident radiation and we can't divide by zero ... just an interesting bit of trivia for the next cocktail party you attend ... better is to look at the averages at the Arctic Circle where incident radiation is 31% of what's received at the equator, and the Arctic Circle is 31% the length of the equator (via cosine (latitude)) ... so even a large drop in polar albedo is only a small increase in total radiation, and this extra energy will mostly be confined to the polar circulation cell and be shed again after it uplifts along the polar front ... don't get me wrong, I understand the hazards of trivializing this effect in isolation, how this impacts the complexities of the entire climate system is still to be determined ... the good news we'll know for certain in a hundred years ...
I think the mistake you've made in your "billion dead" claim is that you assume if temperatures rise so will relative humidity ... in fact, as temperatures rises, the atmosphere absorbs more water keeping RH the same in the tropics ... and once RH reaches 100%, it starts raining ...
Billy_Bob
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“One key question in the field is still what caused the Earth to periodically cycle in and out of ice ages,” University of Chicago professor and the study's co-author, Malte Jansen, said in a statement. “We are pretty confident that the carbon balance between the atmosphere and ocean must have changed, but we don’t quite know how or why."
IN SHORT THEY DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT IS DRIVING THE CLIMATE.
LOL....
Explosion in Antarctic sea ice levels may cause another ice age
mamooth
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A fine big lie by FOX News.
The study didn't say Antarctic Sea Ice levels were exploding. That would be crazy, being that Antarctic sea ice levels are declining.
The study said rising ice levels were a factor in past ice ages. FOX just lied about that.
The lesson, as usual, is to always assume that FOX news always lies about climate science.
flack
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Do you see the word"may"? Do you know what it means?
You let your partisan views get in the way.
Earth Sciences Oct 29, 2019
Antarctic sea ice is key to triggering ice ages, study finds
We've known for years that Earth's climate is like a giant Rube Goldberg machine: Pull one lever, and a massive chain of events starts into motion. Yet many of the steps that drive these changes have remained shrouded in ...
mamooth
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Despite your attempts to deflect by harping on the irrelevant, FOX News still lied.
Antarctic sea ice levels are declining.
FOX News wrote a breathless headline and story that implied the exact opposite.
That's lying.
And you're running cover for it.
flack
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I'm not running anywhere. I posted another article about the same claim pulled fro Phys.cog.com. Hardly a right wing anti climate change site.
flack
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Earth Sciences Oct 21, 2019
Antarctic ice cliffs may not contribute to sea-level rise as much as predicted
Antarctica's ice sheet spans close to twice the area of the contiguous United States, and its land boundary is buttressed by massive, floating ice shelves extending hundreds of miles out over the frigid waters of the Southern ...
Antarctic ice cliffs may not contribute to sea-level rise as much as predicted
Antarctica's ice sheet spans close to twice the area of the contiguous United States, and its land boundary is buttressed by massive, floating ice shelves extending hundreds of miles out over the frigid waters of the Southern ...
flack
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Phys.org
flack
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Earth Sciences Sep 12, 2019
Sulphur emissions from marine algae dropped during glacial periods
Contrary to conventional wisdom, sulphur production by tiny marine algae decreased during glacial periods, and is more closely linked to climate than previously thought, according to the latest research by scientists in Japan. ...
Sulphur emissions from marine algae dropped during glacial periods
Contrary to conventional wisdom, sulphur production by tiny marine algae decreased during glacial periods, and is more closely linked to climate than previously thought, according to the latest research by scientists in Japan. ...
mamooth
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Is there any actual point here, or are you just listing random papers for the hell of it?
flack
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August 28, 2019
Research sheds new light on Antarctic control of global climate
by University of Southampton
Sea ice and icebergs in the shelf sea environment adjacent to Antarctica. Credit: Mike Meredith, British Antarctic Survey
Scientists have made a new discovery that challenges previous understanding of the relationship between the polar Southern Ocean, next to Antarctica, and carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere. Their findings show that, contrary to existing assumptions, biological processes far out at sea are the most important factors determining how the ocean absorbs carbon dioxide. The results are published this week in the journal Science Advances.
mamooth
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Greening refers only to land.
That goes both ways, then. Nobody can use it to say there's more greening.
None of his links refute the fact that greening ended in the 1990s. Nobody disputes that greening happened before that. We just point out that it's no longer happening.
Why? The effect on CO2 levels is insignificant, and in any case, it's not happening any more.
It's not undefinable in northern Canada, Alaska and Russia. When tundra turns to forest, more solar energy is absorbed.
No, I'm not. Relative humidity is remaining constant, while absolute humidity is rising. As temperatures rise and humidity remains level, wet bulb temperatures rise.
flack
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Yes Man can not change the climate, with the exception of nuclear bombs, even if he wanted.
You know termites world wide produce 10 times the amount of greenhouse gases than all of human production in a year.
flack
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Jul 18, 2005
Methane's Impacts on Climate Change May Be Twice Previous Estimates
Scientists face difficult challenges in predicting and understanding how much our climate is changing. When it comes to gases that trap heat in our atmosphere, called greenhouse gases (GHGs), scientists typically look at ...
Jan 11, 2006
The forgotten methane source
In the last few years, more and more research has focused on the biosphere; particularly, on how gases which influence the climate are exchanged between the biosphere and atmosphere. Researchers from the Max Planck Institute ...
Methane's Impacts on Climate Change May Be Twice Previous Estimates
Scientists face difficult challenges in predicting and understanding how much our climate is changing. When it comes to gases that trap heat in our atmosphere, called greenhouse gases (GHGs), scientists typically look at ...
Jan 11, 2006
The forgotten methane source
In the last few years, more and more research has focused on the biosphere; particularly, on how gases which influence the climate are exchanged between the biosphere and atmosphere. Researchers from the Max Planck Institute ...
mamooth
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But none of the papers say or imply such a thing. Why did you think they did? "There are uncertainties, so we know nothing" is junk science. The uncertainties are accounted for.
So?
You don't seem to understand how an equilibrium system works. Termites produce the same amount of CO2 each year, and the biosphere absorbs the same amount. When humans add more, the biosphere can't absorb it, so it builds up in the atmosphere.
flack
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CO2 is not causing the world to warm. It isn't possible.
mamooth
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I think everyone will agree that your feelings settle the matter. No more need for that stupid science.
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