CIA sold rigged encryption machines to allies.

[g5000]

304X4 here ground radio. However I think the AFSCs are different now. Somehow I wound up doing geodetic survey shit for the last three years too. There are no longer any survey specialist in the Air Force today, it's all done by NGA now, National Geospatial Intelligence Agency. In ground radio we got all the odd orphaned stuff like geoceivers of all things.

306X0 is gone ... it's a 40 pin DIP now-a-days ... I left and soldered in the civilian market for a bit, until I saw my first robot, been swinging a hammer ever since ...

I still occasionally have nightmares about triode wave forms ... 40 years later and I can't shake the horrors of the battlefield ...

What bugged me for years was the thought of the nukes. Having been down in the silos and seeing those ICBMs and contemplating what they were build to do gave me the Willie's especially since I was helping. I had nuclear nightmares and woke up in cold sweats for years after until for some strange reason when the Berlin wall came down they stopped. However nothing has really improved if not gotten worse. The stuff in Nam didn't bother me nearly as much as that although I got my ass shot at a few times. Oddly enough an event in Thailand scared me the most because I'd thought I was safe there. That was right up until the rockets and mortars started walking down the runway right beside me. WTF!

Cool story bro.

Thanks. I was just swapping war stories with another vet. There are fewer and fewer around anymore. It's one of those you have to have been there kinda things so I take the opportunity to commiserate when I can.

 

[the other mike]

Hopefully..enough to keep us safe. These are not nice people...and it's not a nice job. Our freedoms often depend upon their moral and ethical flexibility--I for one...accept the cost.

It's things like the Patriot Act and its follow-up incarnations..that concern me---domestic spying is a different story..and I believe on keeping our dogs on a short lease..inside our borders.

A regime-change war in Syria is an acceptable cost ???

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Still have no yet figured out what the OP thinks a spy agency does since he was shocked as hell to find out they spy on people

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Hopefully..enough to keep us safe. These are not nice people...and it's not a nice job. Our freedoms often depend upon their moral and ethical flexibility--I for one...accept the cost.

It's things like the Patriot Act and its follow-up incarnations..that concern me---domestic spying is a different story..and I believe on keeping our dogs on a short lease..inside our borders.

A regime-change war in Syria is an acceptable cost ???

Look..you can cherry-pick disasters, missed opportunities and outright incompetence--they all exist--but when the successes are usually not known..and the failures trumpeted--it can be a bit hard to judge effectiveness.

BTW...Trump has ignored what his intelligence people have been telling him about Syria....and many other places. What is happening now is a result of that. As we found out with Iraq..when you produce a power vacuum..someone moves in...Russia and Turkey are squabbling..is that in our interest/ It might be..it might not be. One thing is sure..the world is not a safer place now because of it. I do think bringing our troops home now is the best idea...absent any clear win in sight.

I would have done something utterly different..I'd have backed the Kurdish State..used the opportunity to depose Assad..trim the Turks...and create a client stake beholden to us...Kurdistan.

If our troops are to be at risk..at least let the reward be there as well.

Our intelligence is not failing us..for the most part it's the politics that are ridiculous!

 

[the other mike]

Still have no yet figured out what the OP thinks a spy agency does since he was shocked as hell to find out they spy on people

What's shocking is how you don't see the Constitution burning right before your eyes. Ignorance is bliss.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Still have no yet figured out what the OP thinks a spy agency does since he was shocked as hell to find out they spy on people

What's shocking is how you don't see the Constitution burning right before your eyes, f..ing moron.

This will blow your tiny little mind...but even the Continental army had spies spying on the British.

There is nothing in the Constitution that would prohibit the spying of other countries.

And you still have not told us what you think a spy agency did since you are so shocked they actually spy on people

 

[the other mike]

This will blow your tiny little mind...but even the Continental army had spies spying on the British.

There is nothing in the Constitution that would prohibit the spying of other countries.

And you still have not told us what you think a spy agency did since you are so shocked they actually spy on people

At least you're intuitive enough to know
I don't waste my time answering redundant online troll questions.

 

[the other mike]

 

[the other mike]

America will be the Titanic if the deep state has its' way.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

This will blow your tiny little mind...but even the Continental army had spies spying on the British.

There is nothing in the Constitution that would prohibit the spying of other countries.

And you still have not told us what you think a spy agency did since you are so shocked they actually spy on people

At least you're intuitive enough to know
I don't waste my time answering redundant online troll questions.

dude, you are the one that started a thread because you were freaked out over the spy agency spying on people, do you get freaked out when the gas station has gasoline? Or when the movie theater shows a movie?

 

[the other mike]

dude, you are the one that started a thread because you were freaked out over the spy agency spying on people, do you get freaked out when the gas station has gasoline? Or when the movie theater shows a movie?

Freaked out about passing along information?
Not too much.

 

[the other mike]

Poppy's drug war.
Almost forgot about that.

 

[the other mike]

What bugged me for years was the thought of the nukes. Having been down in the silos and seeing those ICBMs and contemplating what they were build to do gave me the Willie's especially since I was helping. I had nuclear nightmares and woke up in cold sweats for years after until for some strange reason when the Berlin wall came down they stopped. However nothing has really improved if not gotten worse. The stuff in Nam didn't bother me nearly as much as that although I got my ass shot at a few times. Oddly enough an event in Thailand scared me the most because I'd thought I was safe there. That was right up until the rockets and mortars started walking down the runway right beside me. WTF!

They say that back in the 40's the employees at Oak Ridge where they built the nukes we dropped on Japan, were under such tight security and secrecy
to where most of the thousands of workers had no idea what they were part of until the next day.

 

[g5000]

What bugged me for years was the thought of the nukes. Having been down in the silos and seeing those ICBMs and contemplating what they were build to do gave me the Willie's especially since I was helping. I had nuclear nightmares and woke up in cold sweats for years after until for some strange reason when the Berlin wall came down they stopped. However nothing has really improved if not gotten worse. The stuff in Nam didn't bother me nearly as much as that although I got my ass shot at a few times. Oddly enough an event in Thailand scared me the most because I'd thought I was safe there. That was right up until the rockets and mortars started walking down the runway right beside me. WTF!

They say that back in the 40's the employees at Oak Ridge where they built the nukes we dropped on Japan, were under such tight security and secrecy
to where most of the thousands of workers had no idea what they were part of until the next day.
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And yet the Soviets still had spies in the Manhattan Project, reporting back to them.

Where's your moral outrage over that?

 

[Indeependent]

This has a bright side, and a dark side.

CIA controlled global encryption company for decades, says report
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/11/crypto-ag-cia-bnd-germany-intelligence-report

Leaked documents have revealed that the CIA owned and controlled global encryption company Crypto AG for more than 50 years. Crypto AG sold rigged communications equipment to other countries, giving Washington access to enormous amounts of intelligence from unsuspecting users. Investigative journalist Ben Swann joins Scottie Nell Hughes with the details. They also discuss how this sheds new light on US claims about Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei.

Are you also annoyed by Google and Amazon?

 

[the other mike]

Are you also annoyed by Google and Amazon?

If you mean having close ties to the CIA also, yes.

 

[georgephillip]

This has a bright side, and a dark side.

CIA controlled global encryption company for decades, says report
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/11/crypto-ag-cia-bnd-germany-intelligence-report

Leaked documents have revealed that the CIA owned and controlled global encryption company Crypto AG for more than 50 years. Crypto AG sold rigged communications equipment to other countries, giving Washington access to enormous amounts of intelligence from unsuspecting users. Investigative journalist Ben Swann joins Scottie Nell Hughes with the details. They also discuss how this sheds new light on US claims about Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei.

Your link:

"'It was the intelligence coup of the century,' the CIA report concluded. 'Foreign governments were paying good money to the US and West Germany for the privilege of having their most secret communications read by at least two (and possibly as many as five or six) foreign countries.'

"The mention of five or six countries is probably a reference to the Five Eyes electronic intelligence sharing agreement between the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

"The operation, codenamed Thesaurus and then renamed Rubicon in 1980s, demonstrated the overwhelming intelligence value of being able to insert flaws into widely sold communications equipment.

"The CIA’s success over many years is likely to reinforce current US suspicions of equipment made by the Chinese company Huawei."

 

[Manonthestreet]

Hopefully..enough to keep us safe. These are not nice people...and it's not a nice job. Our freedoms often depend upon their moral and ethical flexibility--I for one...accept the cost.

It's things like the Patriot Act and its follow-up incarnations..that concern me---domestic spying is a different story..and I believe on keeping our dogs on a short lease..inside our borders.

A regime-change war in Syria is an acceptable cost ???

Look..you can cherry-pick disasters, missed opportunities and outright incompetence--they all exist--but when the successes are usually not known..and the failures trumpeted--it can be a bit hard to judge effectiveness.

BTW...Trump has ignored what his intelligence people have been telling him about Syria....and many other places. What is happening now is a result of that. As we found out with Iraq..when you produce a power vacuum..someone moves in...Russia and Turkey are squabbling..is that in our interest/ It might be..it might not be. One thing is sure..the world is not a safer place now because of it. I do think bringing our troops home now is the best idea...absent any clear win in sight.

I would have done something utterly different..I'd have backed the Kurdish State..used the opportunity to depose Assad..trim the Turks...and create a client stake beholden to us...Kurdistan.

If our troops are to be at risk..at least let the reward be there as well.

Our intelligence is not failing us..for the most part it's the politics that are ridiculous!

Spoken like a true master of the universe. Isn't that the policy that failed in Iraq

 

[Indeependent]

Are you also annoyed by Google and Amazon?

If you mean having close ties to the CIA also, yes.

They all probably share information.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Hopefully..enough to keep us safe. These are not nice people...and it's not a nice job. Our freedoms often depend upon their moral and ethical flexibility--I for one...accept the cost.

It's things like the Patriot Act and its follow-up incarnations..that concern me---domestic spying is a different story..and I believe on keeping our dogs on a short lease..inside our borders.

A regime-change war in Syria is an acceptable cost ???

Look..you can cherry-pick disasters, missed opportunities and outright incompetence--they all exist--but when the successes are usually not known..and the failures trumpeted--it can be a bit hard to judge effectiveness.

BTW...Trump has ignored what his intelligence people have been telling him about Syria....and many other places. What is happening now is a result of that. As we found out with Iraq..when you produce a power vacuum..someone moves in...Russia and Turkey are squabbling..is that in our interest/ It might be..it might not be. One thing is sure..the world is not a safer place now because of it. I do think bringing our troops home now is the best idea...absent any clear win in sight.

I would have done something utterly different..I'd have backed the Kurdish State..used the opportunity to depose Assad..trim the Turks...and create a client stake beholden to us...Kurdistan.

If our troops are to be at risk..at least let the reward be there as well.

Our intelligence is not failing us..for the most part it's the politics that are ridiculous!

Spoken like a true master of the universe. Isn't that the policy that failed in Iraq

Nope..it was not..regime change is not the same thing as creating a new nation...that is dependent on us..and we, on them. The Kurds would have been an entire new dynamic--composed of Kurds from three nations..Syria, Turkey and Iraq. As for Iraq...no one really wanted Iraq to succeed anyway..they just wanted to milk it for money.

FYI..we HAD that with Saddam--corrupt, sure..but a bonafide counterweight to Iran..Bush JR and Cheney fucked that up!