Church denies funeral to gay man

[Noomi]

I'm not harmed when a man cheats on his wife but I still judge him as a piece of shit for violating an oath he took. Liberals are different that way - they have their own weird moral universe.

I can agree with this. Except with the insult about liberals.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You have yet to post evidence, as I have stated several times. Tired of repeating myself.

I am a stubborn ass who is right about this. The scripture was posted and I analzyed it, and you disagreed, and I analyzed it and you shifted the goal posts, and you can complain all you want but Christ is saying nothing about Satan or his demons can't sanction their own, only that their division ensures their fail.

Won't repeat this again. You were wrong; get over it.

This situation is a clear reason why Biblical literalism by the social cons is heresy.

 

[House]

Maybe you are not better. The scripture was posted and I analzyed it, and you disagreed, and I analyzed it and you shifted the goal posts, and you can complain all you want but Christ is saying nothing about Satan or his demons can't sanction their own, only that their division ensures their fail.

Won't repeat this again. You were wrong; get over it.

You can't deny the fact that He doesn't say they can. Nor does God, nor do any of the apostles. Or the prophets.

Can't prove a negative, so it falls upon the one who claims a positive to provide the evidence. Simple as.

 

[Rikurzhen]

I can agree with this. Except with the insult about liberals.

Look at the how this is playing out in this thread. Christian belief states that homosexual acts are a sin against God. You don't have to believe in God to acknowledge that this is what Christians believe. What is the liberal response? Christians are WRONG for being JUDGMENTAL. When liberals do this they signal something important about their Religion, which is that logical rules don't apply and that they need to condemn people who are being judgmental, as though being judgmental is a sin in the Church of Liberalism. Look outside of this debate and you see liberals everywhere sneering at people for being judgmental - it's a mark, to a liberal, of someone being narrow minded, unintelligent and low class. To have standards and to judge by those standards is a sign of lack of enlightenment.

 

[ChrisL]

Look at the how this is playing out in this thread. Christian belief states that homosexual acts are a sin against God. You don't have to believe in God to acknowledge that this is what Christians believe. What is the liberal response? Christians are WRONG for being JUDGMENTAL. When liberals do this they signal something important about their Religion, which is that logical rules don't apply and that they need to condemn people who are being judgmental, as though being judgmental is a sin in the Church of Liberalism. Look outside of this debate and you see liberals everywhere sneering at people for being judgmental - it's a mark, to a liberal, of someone being narrow minded, unintelligent and low class. To have standards and to judge by those standards is a sign of lack of enlightenment.

You are a biblical literalist, yet have the nerve to call others Illogical.

 

[Vandalshandle]

...and yet, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, and Congregationalists are Christians, and they ordain gays, so I guess you should rewrite your post, starting with the words "Christian belief states that homosexual acts are a sin against god"

Ordination of LGBT Christian clergy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Katzndogz]

...and yet, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, and Congregationalists are Christians, and they ordain gays, so I guess you should rewrite your post, starting with the words "Christian belief states that homosexual acts are a sin against god"

Ordination of LGBT Christian clergy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Violating Christian beliefs doesn't change the belief. It only means that these organizations are moving away from Christianity. They are entitled to do that. They can dream up all kinds of reasons to change Biblical sin into acceptable conduct. It doesn't change the meaning of Biblical sin.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I would submit that they believe that you are the one who has departed from Christ's teaching, not them.

 

[ChrisL]

...and yet, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, and Congregationalists are Christians, and they ordain gays, so I guess you should rewrite your post, starting with the words "Christian belief states that homosexual acts are a sin against god"

Ordination of LGBT Christian clergy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Good point. I didn't even think of that.

 

[UllysesS.Archer]

...and yet, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, and Congregationalists are Christians, and they ordain gays, so I guess you should rewrite your post, starting with the words "Christian belief states that homosexual acts are a sin against god"

Ordination of LGBT Christian clergy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Adolf Hitler was a baptized Catholic, and I'm pretty sure most people consider them a Christian religion. As I have said, many people consider themselves Christian, yet they don't act like it, except for 2 hours on Sunday morning, and then if it rained on the way out of the church, many of them would drown.

Religious views of Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A Christian is a follower of Christ, one who tries to adhere to all of His teachings, not just one or two that they like.

 

[LittleNipper]

A person can be buried in any number of cemeteries with the mumblings of any number of individuals he happens to agree with. Why bother people who are seeking the will of a "Higher Authority" whom such an individual never agreed with in life anyway?

 

[UllysesS.Archer]

I would submit that they believe that you are the one who has departed from Christ's teaching, not them.

Matthew 5:17"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.…

I would love for anyone to show me that Jesus told us to do away with the Old Testament, problem is, He never said that.

 

[Andylusion]

Look at the how this is playing out in this thread. Christian belief states that homosexual acts are a sin against God. You don't have to believe in God to acknowledge that this is what Christians believe. What is the liberal response? Christians are WRONG for being JUDGMENTAL. When liberals do this they signal something important about their Religion, which is that logical rules don't apply and that they need to condemn people who are being judgmental, as though being judgmental is a sin in the Church of Liberalism. Look outside of this debate and you see liberals everywhere sneering at people for being judgmental - it's a mark, to a liberal, of someone being narrow minded, unintelligent and low class. To have standards and to judge by those standards is a sign of lack of enlightenment.

You are a biblical literalist, yet have the nerve to call others Illogical.

Um.... do you know that you just proved his point? You just did.... exactly what he says liberals do. You don't see any irony in this?

 

[Andylusion]

...and yet, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, and Congregationalists are Christians, and they ordain gays, so I guess you should rewrite your post, starting with the words "Christian belief states that homosexual acts are a sin against god"

Ordination of LGBT Christian clergy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The fact that some other Christian sects, believe something different, doesn't disprove anything.

It's like saying national socialists are not socialists because they are not communist.

No, they still are socialists, even if a different flavor with slightly differing beliefs.

The Christian Bible, says very clearly homosexuality is a sin. You can disagree, that's fine. This is what the rest of us believe. That's all there is too it.

 

[House]

The Christian Bible, says very clearly homosexuality is a sin. You can disagree, that's fine. This is what the rest of us believe. That's all there is too it.

Gluttony is also a sin, but how many obese clergy have you seen?

There are none righteous, no not one.

 

[LittleNipper]

The Christian Bible, says very clearly homosexuality is a sin. You can disagree, that's fine. This is what the rest of us believe. That's all there is too it.

Gluttony is also a sin, but how many obese clergy have you seen?

There are none righteous, no not one.

I do not know of anyone promoting the idea the obesity is a virtue ----- the same cannot be said of those pushing for "gay" marriage. How can a sin be forgiven when the one committing it is led to believe the very act is a blessing?

 

[koshergrl]

The church certainly has the right to refuse to perform a funeral. In the old days, homos, suicides and others who died in a state of sin were buried outside the churchyard, in unmarked graves...or even at crossroads. At night, no less. Clergy are not obliged to perform services in the church that they don't want to perform.

 

[House]

The Christian Bible, says very clearly homosexuality is a sin. You can disagree, that's fine. This is what the rest of us believe. That's all there is too it.

Gluttony is also a sin, but how many obese clergy have you seen?

There are none righteous, no not one.

I do not know of anyone promoting the idea the obesity is a virtue

Not looking very hard, are ya?

And more relevantly, having obese clergy gives the image of gluttony being perfectly acceptable, as the clergy are the image of their respective church.

 

[Andylusion]

The Christian Bible, says very clearly homosexuality is a sin. You can disagree, that's fine. This is what the rest of us believe. That's all there is too it.

Gluttony is also a sin, but how many obese clergy have you seen?

There are none righteous, no not one.

Right. I agree completely. So what? Does someone else doing wrong, make another doing wrong, right?

 

[House]

The Christian Bible, says very clearly homosexuality is a sin. You can disagree, that's fine. This is what the rest of us believe. That's all there is too it.

Gluttony is also a sin, but how many obese clergy have you seen?

There are none righteous, no not one.

Right. I agree completely. So what? Does someone else doing wrong, make another doing wrong, right?

As I've stated numerous times, it's hypocrisy to criticize others when one is stained with sin themselves, and we are all, each and every one of us, stained with sin.