Christine O'Donnell criticized by former aides

[Samson]

Genius suggestion. Yes. Just "cancel" the obligations and commitments.

They are massive, no doubt. And they will severely damage the economy if they aren't changed. That's why they will be canceled or altered in some way. It might take a crisis, but all non-marketable debt of the United States government can be changed with a stroke of a pen. You can do that many ways - change the age of retirement, change the age at which you can receive Medicare, limit payouts to those who can afford it, and so on.

They are a time bomb, but I think that eventually, the political logic will change entitlements. In the meantime, I own gold.

 

[Liability]

Genius suggestion. Yes. Just "cancel" the obligations and commitments.

They are massive, no doubt. And they will severely damage the economy if they aren't changed. That's why they will be canceled or altered in some way. It might take a crisis, but all non-marketable debt of the United States government can be changed with a stroke of a pen. You can do that many ways - change the age of retirement, change the age at which you can receive Medicare, limit payouts to those who can afford it, and so on.

They are a time bomb, but I think that eventually, the political logic will change entitlements. In the meantime, I own gold.

I realize that the entitlement programs like Social Security are utterly fucked and that they actually do have to be attended to. Politically, though, there's not one ******* Congressman with the stones to do it and certainly not enough for a working majority of those idiots to do it.

But it also will never happen in such a manner, anyway. This "stroke of a pen" stuff is fantasy. Cancellation is absolutely never going to be "on the table." That would be political suicide for all involved. It will HAVE to be restructured but it can only be restructured (realistically) by tinkering with the pay-outs to FUTURE recipients, not current recipients, which means that for every day we delay doing what has to be done, the inevitable explosion is going to be much more damaging.

And how are the States going to manage the State employee retirement mess? And how is the Federal government going to deal with the Railroad Retirement system? President Obama crammed Obamacare through an idiot Congress. THAT shit can be revoked and rescinded. But how then can we rescind Medicare and Medicaid?

These programs are huge and they will explode as surely as would Social Security if not dealt with -- urgently -- sooner rather than later. And any "solution" reasonably worthy of that title will gut those programs. Speaking of political suicide.

I don't like Ron Paul, but I'll say this about him. HE has the stones to try to pare down the "leviathan." But he will be lucky to get a dozen Congress-critters to jump off that cliff with him.

 

[8537]

Indeed.

Now, then, back to the actual business at hand:

Our True National Debt, Including Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac, Is Beyond The Tipping Point | Markets | Minyanville.com

So now you've gone from claiming it's upwards of 70T to claiming it's 18T because we should include current GSE debt?

That's progress. At least that link doesn't attempt to mix sovereign debt with trust fund debts.

Poor reading skills you have. Very poor.

No stupid.

I merely posted the link to THAT piece because even considering JUST the "debt" which the government fraudulently bothers to report, our economy is still (clearly) seriously fucked.

Your artificial contrivance of pretending that the one debt is real and worth considering but that the other debt is unworthy of consideration underscore why you economists are such a fucked-up lot.

Liability,

I'm afraid your lack of knowledge and your kneejerk reactions are hurting your cause here. Do you or do you not agree that the future liabilities in the trust funds are negotiable?

 

[8537]

Genius suggestion. Yes. Just "cancel" the obligations and commitments.

They are massive, no doubt. And they will severely damage the economy if they aren't changed. That's why they will be canceled or altered in some way. It might take a crisis, but all non-marketable debt of the United States government can be changed with a stroke of a pen. You can do that many ways - change the age of retirement, change the age at which you can receive Medicare, limit payouts to those who can afford it, and so on.

They are a time bomb, but I think that eventually, the political logic will change entitlements. In the meantime, I own gold.

I realize that the entitlement programs like Social Security are utterly fucked and that they actually do have to be attended to. Politically, though, there's not one ******* Congressman with the stones to do it and certainly not enough for a working majority of those idiots to do it.

But it also will never happen in such a manner, anyway. This "stroke of a pen" stuff is fantasy. Cancellation is absolutely never going to be "on the table."

Not only has it been on the table - in previous years, it's been a significant part of attempts at reform.

That would be political suicide for all involved. It will HAVE to be restructured but it can only be restructured (realistically) by tinkering with the pay-outs to FUTURE recipients, not current recipients, which means that for every day we delay doing what has to be done, the inevitable explosion is going to be much more damaging.

"restructuring" is canceling debts, the very thing you just said is fantasy.

 

[The T]

Genius suggestion. Yes. Just "cancel" the obligations and commitments.

They are massive, no doubt. And they will severely damage the economy if they aren't changed. That's why they will be canceled or altered in some way. It might take a crisis, but all non-marketable debt of the United States government can be changed with a stroke of a pen. You can do that many ways - change the age of retirement, change the age at which you can receive Medicare, limit payouts to those who can afford it, and so on.

They are a time bomb, but I think that eventually, the political logic will change entitlements. In the meantime, I own gold.

I realize that the entitlement programs like Social Security are utterly fucked and that they actually do have to be attended to. Politically, though, there's not one ******* Congressman with the stones to do it and certainly not enough for a working majority of those idiots to do it.

But it also will never happen in such a manner, anyway. This "stroke of a pen" stuff is fantasy. Cancellation is absolutely never going to be "on the table." That would be political suicide for all involved. It will HAVE to be restructured but it can only be restructured (realistically) by tinkering with the pay-outs to FUTURE recipients, not current recipients, which means that for every day we delay doing what has to be done, the inevitable explosion is going to be much more damaging.

And how are the States going to manage the State employee retirement mess? And how is the Federal government going to deal with the Railroad Retirement system? President Obama crammed Obamacare through an idiot Congress. THAT shit can be revoked and rescinded. But how then can we rescind Medicare and Medicaid?

These programs are huge and they will explode as surely as would Social Security if not dealt with -- urgently -- sooner rather than later. And any "solution" reasonably worthy of that title will gut those programs. Speaking of political suicide.

I don't like Ron Paul, but I'll say this about him. HE has the stones to try to pare down the "leviathan." But he will be lucky to get a dozen Congress-critters to jump off that cliff with him.

They're gonna come after 401k's and other private plans by FIAT...just watch them try...

 

[Liability]

So now you've gone from claiming it's upwards of 70T to claiming it's 18T because we should include current GSE debt?

That's progress. At least that link doesn't attempt to mix sovereign debt with trust fund debts.

Poor reading skills you have. Very poor.

No stupid.

I merely posted the link to THAT piece because even considering JUST the "debt" which the government fraudulently bothers to report, our economy is still (clearly) seriously fucked.

Your artificial contrivance of pretending that the one debt is real and worth considering but that the other debt is unworthy of consideration underscore why you economists are such a fucked-up lot.

Liability,

I'm afraid your lack of knowledge and your kneejerk reactions are hurting your cause here. Do you or do you not agree that the future liabilities in the trust funds are negotiable?

Douche-bag:

I am not afraid, but I am aware that your opinions are of no consequence.

I have demonstrated no knee jerk reactions, child.

I have just finished noting that the so-called "future liabilities" are subject to being modified. Indeed, I believe they will have to be. But there is presently lacking the political will to do that which is needed. And the problem has been kicked down the road for so long (with the prospect of more of the same continuing for some time) that it will not only GET much bigger and more damning, but there is doubt that these politicians will EVER find their nadz sufficiently to attend to the problem.

To collapse some of your mutli-post sophistry into one responsive post, youngster, you are also flatly wrong. RESTRUCTING and "Canceling debts" are not synonymous. Cancellation would take the debt to zero, you ******* immature moron. Nobody is going to vote for that kind of imbecility. But restructing can be accomplished in a bunch of different ways (all more or less painful, unfortunately) that nevertheless do not require bringing the debt to "zero."

My god, you are one stupid young twerp.

 

[8537]

You seem awfully angry.

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I have demonstrated no knee jerk reactions, child.

Well, perhaps it's just ignorance.

I have just finished noting that the so-called "future liabilities" are subject to being modified.

That's progress! After making statements like "Genius suggestion. Yes. Just "cancel" the obligations and commitments" (in obvious sarcasm thinking how "stupid" an idea it was. and then...

"I merely questioned YOUR suggestion that they can be. If done at all (and perhaps dangerously and unwisely) it is not something that would ever be so simple. "

hmm...Turns out, you've now learned:

1. They can be.
2. It would be simple.
3. It's not dangerous or unwise. In fact, it's been part of every serious move to reform SS.

I credit you with a (limited) ability to learn!

Indeed, I believe they will have to be. But there is presently lacking the political will to do that which is needed. And the problem has been kicked down the road for so long (with the prospect of more of the same continuing for some time) that it will not only GET much bigger and more damning, but there is doubt that these politicians will EVER find their nadz sufficiently to attend to the problem.

The problem with SS is not that big. the unfunded portion of SS is about 1.2% of GDP and could be fixed with a tax hike equal to 1.2% of GDP, for example removing a portion of the cap. Or a small change in future benefits would fix it - need-basing them, raising the retirement age both would do it.

Medicare is in worse shape and will require more serious intervention.

To collapse some of your mutli-post sophistry into one responsive post, youngster, you are also flatly wrong. RESTRUCTING and "Canceling debts" are not synonymous.

In the case of the trust funds, they are the same. Who would agree to the restructuring on the holding end? Hint: it ain't an independent party.

Cancellation would take the debt to zero, you ******* immature moron.

Are you really this stupid? I have an idea for ya, Liabilty: Cancel the portions you don't need! Novel, I know. Even an "immature ******* moron" can figure that out.

right?

right? apparently not.

Keep posting. You get exposed as a bigger fraud with each posting.

 

[Liability]

* * * *

I credit you with a (limited) ability to learn!

I give you no credit at all, which is still more than you're worth.

You have no capacity to learn young lad, and you have no integrity whatsoever.

* * * *

Keep posting. You get exposed as a bigger fraud with each posting.

No, little twerp. The only one who has been exposed is you. You are a dishonest petty little fellow. Too bad you aren't able to learn, even at your young age, how to be honest.

Anyway, the point remains. The nation's debt crisis is very real, pressing and horrifying, and you scumbag economists are not only unable to grasp the real problems, but unable to learn from anything. Your arrogance is staggeringly massive. Your ability to learn, sadly, is sub-atomic sized.

 

[8537]

* * * *

I credit you with a (limited) ability to learn!

I give you no credit at all, which is still more than you're worth.

You have no capacity to learn young lad, and you have no integrity whatsoever.



No, little twerp. The only one who has been exposed is you. You are a dishonest petty little fellow. Too bad you aren't able to learn, even at your young age, how to be honest.

What's your obsession with my age, angry one?

Anyway, the point remains. The nation's debt crisis is very real, pressing and horrifying, and you scumbag economists are not only unable to grasp the real problems, but unable to learn from anything. Your arrogance is staggeringly massive. Your ability to learn, sadly, is sub-atomic sized.

So, I consider this progress. You can't even respond to simple points anymore. Perhaps you're too angry. Instead of challenging my quite accurate points, you have nothing left but calling people young, scumbags, arrogants etc..

If I had been as wrong as you, I might just admit it and move on. But you seem to be the type to dig in your (high) heels...so keep digging Liability!

 

[mal]

Christine O'Donnell criticized by former aides - David Catanese - POLITICO.com

Kristin Murray, who left her position in the state party to serve as one of several campaign managers for O’Donnell during that race, said warning bells went off in June 2008 when the two were discussing cell phone plans.

"She told me that she thought Joe Biden tapped her phone line," she said.

Moore, who first decided to volunteer for O'Donnell after hearing about her at a meeting of college Republicans, said that at one point, O'Donnell talked to him about winning a lucrative television contract with CNN or Fox News Channel.

"I informed her that most media organizations prohibit their employees from running for office. She didn't seem to understand and was more interested in getting a contract," he recalled. "She was more concerned about getting a TV deal than winning office."

When aides told O'Donnell it was a bad idea and that the cash-poor campaign should conserve its resources for more practical items like signs and bumper stickers, Moore recalled, "She didn't take too kindly to that."

"It was an irresponsible idea," said David Keegan, who served as O'Donnell's financial officer. “And half the people in the street thought she was throwing condoms out of the truck.”

Man, between her and Angle, the Tea Party sure know how to pick em. Plenty of more comments after the jump.

Did you Obsess like this on Palin?... MeThinks you did... Are you able to Vote Against O'Donnell?...

If there was ANYTHING Resembling Consistency with the ones who Cry Sexism everytime a Liberal Woman is Questioned, Modbert and others like him would be Busy Deflecting Consistent Liberals on the Issue of going after Women...

Yet...



peace...

 

[Dick Tuck]

Christine O'Donnell criticized by former aides - David Catanese - POLITICO.com

Kristin Murray, who left her position in the state party to serve as one of several campaign managers for O’Donnell during that race, said warning bells went off in June 2008 when the two were discussing cell phone plans.

"She told me that she thought Joe Biden tapped her phone line," she said.

When aides told O'Donnell it was a bad idea and that the cash-poor campaign should conserve its resources for more practical items like signs and bumper stickers, Moore recalled, "She didn't take too kindly to that."

"It was an irresponsible idea," said David Keegan, who served as O'Donnell's financial officer. “And half the people in the street thought she was throwing condoms out of the truck.”

Man, between her and Angle, the Tea Party sure know how to pick em. Plenty of more comments after the jump.

Did you Obsess like this on Palin?... MeThinks you did... Are you able to Vote Against O'Donnell?...

If there was ANYTHING Resembling Consistency with the ones who Cry Sexism everytime a Liberal Woman is Questioned, Modbert and others like him would be Busy Deflecting Consistent Liberals on the Issue of going after Women...

Yet...



peace...

The question you really ought to ask, is who's obsessing? Those who find it entertaining that this woman is batshit crazy, or those who will defend every one of her indefensible acts.

 

[mal]

Christine O'Donnell criticized by former aides - David Catanese - POLITICO.com







Man, between her and Angle, the Tea Party sure know how to pick em. Plenty of more comments after the jump.

Did you Obsess like this on Palin?... MeThinks you did... Are you able to Vote Against O'Donnell?...

If there was ANYTHING Resembling Consistency with the ones who Cry Sexism everytime a Liberal Woman is Questioned, Modbert and others like him would be Busy Deflecting Consistent Liberals on the Issue of going after Women...

Yet...



peace...

The question you really ought to ask, is who's obsessing? Those who find it entertaining that this woman is batshit crazy, or those who will defend every one of her indefensible acts.

Let me Know when you have me Defending her...

This Reminds me of Noosey Insisting that I like the Asshat in your Sigline...



peace...

 

[Dick Tuck]

Did you Obsess like this on Palin?... MeThinks you did... Are you able to Vote Against O'Donnell?...

If there was ANYTHING Resembling Consistency with the ones who Cry Sexism everytime a Liberal Woman is Questioned, Modbert and others like him would be Busy Deflecting Consistent Liberals on the Issue of going after Women...

Yet...



peace...

The question you really ought to ask, is who's obsessing? Those who find it entertaining that this woman is batshit crazy, or those who will defend every one of her indefensible acts.

Let me Know when you have me Defending her...

This Reminds me of Noosey Insisting that I like the Asshat in your Sigline...



peace...

There's certainly quite a few people here who mindlessly defend every silly thing she does, from moralizing on masturbation, to not finding the humor in her dabbling in witchcraft, to using her campaign funds for personal use. Obsess over her? Not me. I enjoy the circular firing squad she brought about, and the WTF feeling of rolling my eyes whenever she opens her mouth. I also have no problem putting her, Palin's, Bachmans, Newts, and Boener's face on the GOP. If not that quintet, who leads the GOP, than whose?

 

[WillowTree]

oh bullshit, you big ******* bag dipping hypocrite. you voted a man into the whitehouse who smoked cocaine, hung out with radicals and anarchists and bombers of the capital building, didn't bother you a bit when they all sat in church and screamed "God damn America" "It's in da bible" you voted in a Marxist, and you vote for Coons too who is a Marxist. stfu.

 

[Dick Tuck]

oh bullshit, you big ******* bag dipping hypocrite. you voted a man into the whitehouse who smoked cocaine, hung out with radicals and anarchists and bombers of the capital building, didn't bother you a bit when they all sat in church and screamed "God damn America" "It's in da bible" you voted in a Marxist, and you vote for Coons too who is a Marxist. stfu.

I'm just trying to understand why any person, with two synapses to rub together, would call someone who rescued our financial institutions a Marxist? It makes no sense, other than fulfillment of some sophomoric desire to spew polemic, and shows just another brain dead Coulter wannabe.

 

[mal]

oh bullshit, you big ******* bag dipping hypocrite. you voted a man into the whitehouse who smoked cocaine, hung out with radicals and anarchists and bombers of the capital building, didn't bother you a bit when they all sat in church and screamed "God damn America" "It's in da bible" you voted in a Marxist, and you vote for Coons too who is a Marxist. stfu.

peace...

 

[WillowTree]

oh bullshit, you big ******* bag dipping hypocrite. you voted a man into the whitehouse who smoked cocaine, hung out with radicals and anarchists and bombers of the capital building, didn't bother you a bit when they all sat in church and screamed "God damn America" "It's in da bible" you voted in a Marxist, and you vote for Coons too who is a Marxist. stfu.

I'm just trying to understand why any person, with two synapses to rub together, would call someone who rescued our financial institutions a Marxist? It makes no sense, other than fulfillment of some sophomoric desire to spew polemic, and shows just another brain dead Coulter wannabe.

look bag dipper, he loved his church, 20 years of Black Liberation Theology does a Marxist make. Live with it.

 

[8537]

oh bullshit, you big ******* bag dipping hypocrite. you voted a man into the whitehouse who smoked cocaine, hung out with radicals and anarchists and bombers of the capital building, didn't bother you a bit when they all sat in church and screamed "God damn America" "It's in da bible" you voted in a Marxist, and you vote for Coons too who is a Marxist. stfu.

I'm just trying to understand why any person, with two synapses to rub together, would call someone who rescued our financial institutions a Marxist? It makes no sense, other than fulfillment of some sophomoric desire to spew polemic, and shows just another brain dead Coulter wannabe.

look bag dipper, he loved his church, 20 years of Black Liberation Theology does a Marxist make. Live with it.

Loving his church makes him a Marxist?

 

[Liability]

oh bullshit, you big ******* bag dipping hypocrite. you voted a man into the whitehouse who smoked cocaine, hung out with radicals and anarchists and bombers of the capital building, didn't bother you a bit when they all sat in church and screamed "God damn America" "It's in da bible" you voted in a Marxist, and you vote for Coons too who is a Marxist. stfu.

I'm just trying to understand why any person, with two synapses to rub together, would call someone who rescued our financial institutions a Marxist? It makes no sense, other than fulfillment of some sophomoric desire to spew polemic, and shows just another brain dead Coulter wannabe.

Only ******* delusional liberoidal morons can maintain that President Obama somehow "rescued" our financial institutions. In his ******* Marxist way, he inserted GOVERNMENT improperly into the entire equation not just setting a terrible precedent but also costing us boat loads of money which leads us further down the road to the collapse of a capitalistic system.

You liberoidal ass-bites are really quite slow. You in particular. You don't appear to have any functioning brain cells.

And by the way, moron, folks don't rub synapses. Synapses are SPACES across which neurotransmitters must flow.

 

[Dick Tuck]

oh bullshit, you big ******* bag dipping hypocrite. you voted a man into the whitehouse who smoked cocaine, hung out with radicals and anarchists and bombers of the capital building, didn't bother you a bit when they all sat in church and screamed "God damn America" "It's in da bible" you voted in a Marxist, and you vote for Coons too who is a Marxist. stfu.

I'm just trying to understand why any person, with two synapses to rub together, would call someone who rescued our financial institutions a Marxist? It makes no sense, other than fulfillment of some sophomoric desire to spew polemic, and shows just another brain dead Coulter wannabe.

look bag dipper, he loved his church, 20 years of Black Liberation Theology does a Marxist make. Live with it.

IOWs, you hate Black Liberation Theology that has a basis in the civil rights movement. I guess you advocate those sheet wearing dweebs start blowing up children in Sunday school again. And the fact remains that only a complete ******* idiot would make such a boneheaded claim that someone who essentially bailed our our financial system a Marxist. That shows a very deranged thought process.