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Christian Dominionism-The Real Threat to Our Secular Government

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Conservative xenophobes and conspiracy neurotics are wringing their hands, and lamenting the rise of Islam in our country, which they claim will bring about the implementation of Sharia law.

However, whether out of ignorance or the belief that religious freedom and the first amendment does not apply equally to all religions, they fail to focus on the real threat to secularism.

We are talking about Christian Dominionism.

While there is no reason to believe that the few Muslims in our government harbor a desire to usurp secularism, there are appointed and elected Christians in our government right now – or are aspiring to high office-who have openly expressed the belief that the bible is superior to the constitution and cavorting with those who are like minded.


David Barton is a chief proponent of what he calls Seven Mountains Dominionism : Seven Mountains theology teaches that conservative Christians are to take control of the seven primary institutions, or “mountains,” that shape and control our culture — (1) Business; (2) Government; (3) Media; (4) Arts and Entertainment; (5) Education; (6) Family; and (7) Religion — and use them to implement biblical standards and spread the Gospel.

It is worth remembering that Barton is not only an influential Republican activist but also runs one of the main super PACs supporting Ted Cruz.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/david-barton-will-train-christians-to-take-control-of-government-and-transform-america-into-the-nation-that-god-wants-it-to-be/


Barton is also the long time chairman of the Texas Republican Party

But most of all, Barton is vehemently anti-gay, claiming that schools are forcing students to be gay and that the government should regulate gay sex. Recently, he has been telling audiences that the Supreme Court decision legalizing gay marriage will force all student athletes to share the same locker rooms and churches to hire pedophiles to run their nurseries while requiring the military to protect those who engage in bestiality.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/anti-gay-psuedo-historian-david-barton-tapped-to-run-ted-cruzs-super-pac/

Here is more:

When David Barton Talks, Conservative Candidates Listen ...

Among the possible Republican presidential candidates who seek his advice are Mike Huckabee, Newt Gingrich and Representative Michele Bachmann.

And guess who else is in bed with the Dominionists?

Donald Trump’s Amen Corner: Prosperity Preachers and Dominionists

It’s not really surprising that preachers who tout wealth as a sign of God’s favor would line up with a blustery billionaire like Trump, who says his riches are proof that he’s qualified to fix what’s wrong with the country. What is a bit more surprising is the support Trump is getting from a leading advocate of Seven Mountains dominionism, which teaches that government and other spheres of influence — “mountains” like media, entertainment, business — are meant to be run by the right kind of Christians.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/donald-trumps-amen-corner-prosperity-preachers-and-dominionists/

So, you say that Trump and the others did not seek out this type of support and do not actually believe this drivel ? Well he seeks them out!

Donald Trump’s Extremist Allies: Who’s Who At The Values Voter Summit 2016

Donald Trump is slated to join conservative activists and a number of GOP elected officials at next weekend’s Values Voter Summit, the annual Washington, D.C., event sponsored by the Family Research Council.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/donald-trumps-extremist-allies-whos-who-at-the-values-voter-summit-2016/



Be afraid! Be very afraid!!!!
 
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Be afraid! Be very afraid!!!!


Be afraid of what?

People who base their false claim to moral authority on their professed belief in the ridiculous are gonna get you? lol....


Not to worry! Just call down some fire from the sky and in one or two complete sentences they will be reduced to dust and ashes.

Give it a try...
 
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Be afraid! Be very afraid!!!!


Be afraid of what?

People who base their false claim to moral authority on their professed belief in the ridiculous are gonna get you? lol....


Not to worry! Just call down some fire from the sky and in one or two complete sentences they will be reduced to dust and ashes.

Give it a try...
Ignore them at your peril
 

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Be afraid! Be very afraid!!!!


Be afraid of what?

People who base their false claim to moral authority on their professed belief in the ridiculous are gonna get you? lol....


Not to worry! Just call down some fire from the sky and in one or two complete sentences they will be reduced to dust and ashes.

Give it a try...
Ignore them at your peril


Who said anything about ignoring them? I've been doing the exact opposite since at least the second grade...

Their false claim to moral authority is absurd.

Why be afraid?

Like I said one or two coherent sentences would easily cause the false kingdom based entirely on lies and ignorance to crumble.


Where is your faith in truth?
 
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Be afraid! Be very afraid!!!!


Be afraid of what?

People who base their false claim to moral authority on their professed belief in the ridiculous are gonna get you? lol....


Not to worry! Just call down some fire from the sky and in one or two complete sentences they will be reduced to dust and ashes.

Give it a try...
Ignore them at your peril


Who said anything about ignoring them? I've been doing the exact opposite since at least the second grade...

Their false claim to moral authority is absurd.

Why be afraid?

Like I said one or two coherent sentences would easily cause the false kingdom based entirely on lies and ignorance to crumble.


Where is your faith in truth?

Ask me that again after Tuesday


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"Christian Dominionism-The Real Threat to Our Secular Government"

It’s a threat to the religious liberty of all Americans, including Muslims and those free from faith.

This is one of the more dangerous manifestations of social conservatism: those on the right who are hostile to settled, accepted Establishment Clause jurisprudence obeying the Framers’ mandate that church and state remain separate, ensuring that citizens are free from being compelled to abide by religious doctrine and dogma through force of law.

Such is the arrogance and hubris of conservative Christians, their hateful, repugnant, and wrongheaded notion that the United States is a ‘Christian Nation,’ that they have the ‘right’ to codify Christian dogma into secular law all must follow, and that their errant, subjective beliefs and ‘values’ take precedent over others’ beliefs and values.
 

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Conservative xenophobes and conspiracy neurotics are wringing their hands, and lamenting the rise of Islam in our country, which they claim will bring about the implementation of Sharia law.

However, whether out of ignorance or the belief that religious freedom and the first amendment does not apply equally to all religions, they fail to focus on the real threat to secularism.

We are talking about Christian Dominionism.

While there is no reason to believe that the few Muslims in our government harbor a desire to usurp secularism, there are appointed and elected Christians in our government right now – or are aspiring to high office-who have openly expressed the belief that the bible is superior to the constitution and cavorting with those who are like minded.


David Barton is a chief proponent of what he calls Seven Mountains Dominionism : Seven Mountains theology teaches that conservative Christians are to take control of the seven primary institutions, or “mountains,” that shape and control our culture — (1) Business; (2) Government; (3) Media; (4) Arts and Entertainment; (5) Education; (6) Family; and (7) Religion — and use them to implement biblical standards and spread the Gospel.

It is worth remembering that Barton is not only an influential Republican activist but also runs one of the main super PACs supporting Ted Cruz.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/david-barton-will-train-christians-to-take-control-of-government-and-transform-america-into-the-nation-that-god-wants-it-to-be/


Barton is also the long time chairman of the Texas Republican Party

But most of all, Barton is vehemently anti-gay, claiming that schools are forcing students to be gay and that the government should regulate gay sex. Recently, he has been telling audiences that the Supreme Court decision legalizing gay marriage will force all student athletes to share the same locker rooms and churches to hire pedophiles to run their nurseries while requiring the military to protect those who engage in bestiality.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/anti-gay-psuedo-historian-david-barton-tapped-to-run-ted-cruzs-super-pac/

Here is more:

When David Barton Talks, Conservative Candidates Listen ...

Among the possible Republican presidential candidates who seek his advice are Mike Huckabee, Newt Gingrich and Representative Michele Bachmann.

And guess who else is in bed with the Dominionists?

Donald Trump’s Amen Corner: Prosperity Preachers and Dominionists

It’s not really surprising that preachers who tout wealth as a sign of God’s favor would line up with a blustery billionaire like Trump, who says his riches are proof that he’s qualified to fix what’s wrong with the country. What is a bit more surprising is the support Trump is getting from a leading advocate of Seven Mountains dominionism, which teaches that government and other spheres of influence — “mountains” like media, entertainment, business — are meant to be run by the right kind of Christians.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/donald-trumps-amen-corner-prosperity-preachers-and-dominionists/

So, you say that Trump and the others did not seek out this type of support and do not actually believe this drivel ? Well he seeks them out!

Donald Trump’s Extremist Allies: Who’s Who At The Values Voter Summit 2016

Donald Trump is slated to join conservative activists and a number of GOP elected officials at next weekend’s Values Voter Summit, the annual Washington, D.C., event sponsored by the Family Research Council.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/donald-trumps-extremist-allies-whos-who-at-the-values-voter-summit-2016/



Be afraid! Be very afraid!!!!

the so called "values voters" (a laughable term) have been very quiet this election season. they know that dumb donald is the last person in the world who represents their religious beliefs. the only honorable ones have been mormons who are disgusted by donald.
 

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Atheistic governments only killed 200 million people in the 20th century. Maybe we should give atheism another chance.
 
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"Christian Dominionism-The Real Threat to Our Secular Government"

It’s a threat to the religious liberty of all Americans, including Muslims and those free from faith.

This is one of the more dangerous manifestations of social conservatism: those on the right who are hostile to settled, accepted Establishment Clause jurisprudence obeying the Framers’ mandate that church and state remain separate, ensuring that citizens are free from being compelled to abide by religious doctrine and dogma through force of law.

Such is the arrogance and hubris of conservative Christians, their hateful, repugnant, and wrongheaded notion that the United States is a ‘Christian Nation,’ that they have the ‘right’ to codify Christian dogma into secular law all must follow, and that their errant, subjective beliefs and ‘values’ take precedent over others’ beliefs and values.
Thank You!! Well spoken as always
 
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Atheistic governments only killed 200 million people in the 20th century. Maybe we should give atheism another chance.
Fascists and Marxists are Atheists because they cannot tolerate a competing ideology. That does not make Atheists Fascists or Marxists. Is it possible that you can't comprehend that? I'm willing to bet that a lot more people are killed in the name of god than by non believers.
 
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Update: Meet David Lane: The Anti-Gay, Christian-Nation Extremist Of The RNC '

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/meet-david-lane-the-anti-gay-christian-nation-extremist-of-the-rnc/
Selected Excerpts:
1.29.15: Last night, Rachel Maddow reported that the American Family Association has fired Bryan Fischer as its official spokesman, while letting Fischer keep his radio show on the organization’s radio network. The move apparently came as a result of growing controversy surrounding a trip to Israel for Republican National Committee delegates bankrolled by the AFA.

It didn’t look good for the RNC that the group paying the tab for the trip to Israel has a spokesman and radio host who believes that gay people are modern-day Nazis who are responsible for the Holocaust, demands Jewish conversion to Christianity (and wants to require conversion for Jewish and other non-Christian immigrants), and insists that non-Christians have no First Amendment rights: “Counterfeit religions, alternative religions to Christianity, have no First Amendment right to the free exercise of the religion.”

However, the RNC trip’s chief organizer, David Lane of the American Renewal Project, which has close ties to the AFA, is no less radical than Fischer … but his extreme views haven’t stopped Republicans from embracing Lane.

RNC Chairman Reince Priebus has appeared at Lane’s political gatherings and praised his radical anti-LGBT activism. In fact, potential Republican presidential candidates like Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Mike Huckabee, Rick Perry and Mike Pence have either appeared at Lane’s events,………..


Bobby Jindal, who has participated in both ventures, even hosted a prayer rally last weekend that was organized by Lane and funded by the AFA.
Urging conservatives to “wage war for the Soul of America and trust the living God to deliver the pagan gods into our hands,” Lane wants conservatives to embrace his exclusionary Christian Nationalist beliefs and abolish the separation of church and state. Lane:

  • Called the separation of church and state a “lie” and a “fabricated whopper” used to stop “Christian America – the moral majority – from imposing moral government on pagan public schools, pagan higher learning and pagan media.”
 

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Be afraid! Be very afraid!!!!


Be afraid of what?

People who base their false claim to moral authority on their professed belief in the ridiculous are gonna get you? lol....


Not to worry! Just call down some fire from the sky and in one or two complete sentences they will be reduced to dust and ashes.

Give it a try...
Ignore them at your peril


Who said anything about ignoring them? I've been doing the exact opposite since at least the second grade...

Their false claim to moral authority is absurd.

Why be afraid?

Like I said one or two coherent sentences would easily cause the false kingdom based entirely on lies and ignorance to crumble.


Where is your faith in truth?

Ask me that again after Tuesday


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Again, not to worry. If it was 50 years ago and some candidate was promising law and order in a thinly veiled threat to supress the voices for social change and justice and preachers all over the country were blaming all of the ills of society on hippies and rock and roll, yeah, maybe worry. But those days are gone forever....


You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.

Abraham Lincoln
 
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The founders based our government on the Laws of Nature and Nature's God and there's no getting around the fact the founders believed in God and many were Christians and it's the basis for the freedoms we enjoy as a nation, like freedom of religion and freedom to choose to not to practice a religion. That freedom doesn't exist in the Muslim faith and it doesn't exist in the the liberal "faith." Liberal's supreme being is government and they're only too happy to elect leaders who would deny freedom of speech and freedom of religion to those they disagree with. It's how liberal values are forced on the rest of us.

Separation of church and state isn't a law..... There shall be no official church of the United States is the law and Christians are good with it.
 
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The founders based our government on the Laws of Nature and Nature's God and there's no getting around the fact the founders believed in God and many were Christians and it's the basis for the freedoms we enjoy as a nation, like freedom of religion and freedom to choose to not to practice a religion. That freedom doesn't exist in the Muslim faith and it doesn't exist in the the liberal "faith." Liberal's supreme being is government and they're only too happy to elect leaders who would deny freedom of speech and freedom of religion to those they disagree with. It's how liberal values are forced on the rest of us.

Separation of church and state isn't a law..... There shall be no official church of the United States is the law and Christians are good with it.


Yes you “talks a lot” but you don’t seem to know what you talks about. A few points:

1. Yes, the founders believed in “laws of nature” and “god” and many were Christian- but god is universal-not Christian- she is only Christian to Christians. The founders were clearly uneasy about the establishment of a nation based on a particular religion as you yourself admit. The freedoms that we enjoy are not because the founders were Christian- but because they believed in freedom.

2. You are correct in saying that in majority Muslim countries, they do not embrace the freedoms that we enjoy nor do they have a tradition of democracy and secular government. As for individual Muslims-especially those we are westernized – I don’t know but suspect that many do, in fact accept secular government which protects their ability to practice their faith in equality with others

3. However, it is equally clear, that there are Christians in this country, in positions of power and influence, or who aspire to those heights- who DO NOT respect the freedoms for all that we won, and that you tout - but rather for Christians only and only their particular brand of Christianity. THAT is the point of my post and the point that you ignore. You speak about freedom of religion and freedom to choose to not to practice a religion in glowing terms but at the same time seem to be defending those who would deny freedom to those who they disapprove of. Can you see the hypocrisy in that?

4. You say that “Liberal's supreme being is government and they're only too happy to elect leaders who would deny freedom of speech and freedom of religion to those they disagree with. It's how liberal values are forced on the rest of us.” Let’s pick that load of inane equine excrement apart:

a) Many liberals are also religious. Ever hear of the Christian left or Liberation Theology?


b) Claiming that liberals want to deny freedom of religion or any sort of freedoms is more horseshit- unless what you mean is that liberals/progressive want to deny the freedom to discriminate against those who they disapprove of based on a bogus claim of religious freedom- then yes , your right- tough shit.

c) How the hell is anyone forcing “liberal values” on anyone. We want everyone to live according to their own values TO THE EXTENT that
doing so does not imping on anyone else’s right to live by their own values. Those on the right- and I assume that you are one them- are the ones that want to impose their values on others- through such things as restrictions on reproductive health, and marriage THINK ABOUT THAT.

5. We know that separation of church is “ not a law’ and I know that it is often misused and misapplied. However, the first amendment means much more than prohibiting the establishment of a state religion. Here.... try to learn something:


"The correct understanding of the First Amendment is not that it forbids contact—and even voluntary cooperation—between church and state. Rather, it protects private religious liberty, but does so in two complementary ways. In a nutshell, government may neither compel nor prohibit religious exercise. The Establishment Clause side of the coin says that government may not prescribe religious exercise; the Free Exercise side says that government may not proscribe, disfavor or otherwise punish or prevent religious exercise voluntarily chosen by the people. But the two phrases are two sides of the same coin. It is little wonder, then, that the Supreme Court has abandoned entirely the misleading metaphor “separation of church and state.” It simply does not help explain the true meaning of the First Amendment. Where in the Constitution is “Separation of Church and State”?

Now , perhaps you would like to explain how the people who I have showcased, those who are Dominionists - who want government based on their brand of Christianity, who want mandatory Christian prayer in public schools, who want their ideas about sex and sexuality encoded into law are not in violation of the first amendment. How are they not-through government- infringing on my religious beliefs -if my beliefs allow abortion and same sex marriage and they want to prohibit them by law for everyone because of their religious beliefs. Take your time.

A final word: Keep in mind that case law- the way in which courts apply and interpret the law-including the constitution is in fact law. It need not be codified to have the force of law. Good luck. I had fun writing this. I hope that you will have a good time responding to it.



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1. Yes, the founders believed in “laws of nature” and “god” and many were Christian- but god is universal-not Christian- she is only Christian to Christians. The founders were clearly uneasy about the establishment of a nation based on a particular religion as you yourself admit. The freedoms that we enjoy are not because the founders were Christian- but because they believed in freedom.
The founders believed that freedom came from God:
"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."


2. You are correct in saying that in majority Muslim countries, they do not embrace the freedoms that we enjoy nor do they have a tradition of democracy and secular government. As for individual Muslims-especially those we are westernized – I don’t know but suspect that many do, in fact accept secular government which protects their ability to practice their faith in equality with others
Muslims in the U.S. have, for the most part, assimilated, but freedom to choose a religion other than Islam is NOT a part of their faith.

3. However, it is equally clear, that there are Christians in this country, in positions of power and influence, or who aspire to those heights- who DO NOT respect the freedoms for all that we won, and that you tout - but rather for Christians only and only their particular brand of Christianity. THAT is the point of my post and the point that you ignore. You speak about freedom of religion and freedom to choose to not to practice a religion in glowing terms but at the same time seem to be defending those who would deny freedom to those who they disapprove of. Can you see the hypocrisy in that?
There's no evidence that your postings are anything more than conspiracy theory and don't deserve to be addressed.

4. You say that “Liberal's supreme being is government and they're only too happy to elect leaders who would deny freedom of speech and freedom of religion to those they disagree with. It's how liberal values are forced on the rest of us.” Let’s pick that load of inane equine excrement apart:

a) Many liberals are also religious. Ever hear of the Christian left or Liberation Theology?
Liberalism a religion and the groups you mentioned are the antithesis of Christianity, briefly:
The Christian left consists of liberal evangelical writers and preachers spewing the idea that if Christians accept abortion and same-sex marriage, then the media, academia and Hollywood will finally accept Christians. Anyone who's ever read the New Testament knows that Christians shouldn't crave worldly acceptance.
Liberation theology: a religious movement especially among Roman Catholic clergy in Latin America that combines political philosophy usually of a Marxist orientation with a theology of salvation as liberation from injustice.


b) Claiming that liberals want to deny freedom of religion or any sort of freedoms is more horseshit- unless what you mean is that liberals/progressive want to deny the freedom to discriminate against those who they disapprove of based on a bogus claim of religious freedom- then yes , your right- tough shit.
Christians are being sued to force them to participate in same-sex marriages....which goes against the definition of marriage spoken of by Christ. A Christian's choosing not to participate does not deny anyone their rights.....they have the right to just get another caterer, photographer, etc.

c) How the hell is anyone forcing “liberal values” on anyone. We want everyone to live according to their own values TO THE EXTENT that
doing so does not imping on anyone else’s right to live by their own values. Those on the right- and I assume that you are one them- are the ones that want to impose their values on others- through such things as restrictions on reproductive health, and marriage THINK ABOUT THAT.
What individuals do with their lives is their own business, but Christians have the right and obligation to speak out about society's acceptance of the slaughter of the unborn and to oppose the invention of same-sex "marriage" because goes against the Biblical definition of marriage and it promotes homosexuality which is also against Biblical teaching.

5. We know that separation of church is “ not a law’ and I know that it is often misused and misapplied. However, the first amendment means much more than prohibiting the establishment of a state religion. Here.... try to learn something:
I agree that "Separation...." has been misused in favor of secularists to prevent horrible acts such as Christmas carols in school programs, punishing children for saying grace in the lunchroom, erecting memorial crosses in the dessert, and other "crimes" against secularism.

"The correct understanding of the First Amendment is not that it forbids contact—and even voluntary cooperation—between church and state. Rather, it protects private religious liberty, but does so in two complementary ways. In a nutshell, government may neither compel nor prohibit religious exercise. The Establishment Clause side of the coin says that government may not prescribe religious exercise; the Free Exercise side says that government may not proscribe, disfavor or otherwise punish or prevent religious exercise voluntarily chosen by the people. But the two phrases are two sides of the same coin. It is little wonder, then, that the Supreme Court has abandoned entirely the misleading metaphor “separation of church and state.” It simply does not help explain the true meaning of the First Amendment. Where in the Constitution is “Separation of Church and State”?

Now , perhaps you would like to explain how the people who I have showcased, those who are Dominionists - who want government based on their brand of Christianity, who want mandatory Christian prayer in public schools, who want their ideas about sex and sexuality encoded into law are not in violation of the first amendment. How are they not-through government- infringing on my religious beliefs -if my beliefs allow abortion and same sex marriage and they want to prohibit them by law for everyone because of their religious beliefs. Take your time.

A final word: Keep in mind that case law- the way in which courts apply and interpret the law-including the constitution is in fact law. It need not be codified to have the force of law. Good luck. I had fun writing this. I hope that you will have a good time responding to it.

Liberals have been using the courts to force their "religion" on the rest of us for quite some time; and to the the detriment of society.
 
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1. Yes, the founders believed in “laws of nature” and “god” and many were Christian- but god is universal-not Christian- she is only Christian to Christians. The founders were clearly uneasy about the establishment of a nation based on a particular religion as you yourself admit. The freedoms that we enjoy are not because the founders were Christian- but because they believed in freedom.
The founders believed that freedom came from God:
"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."


2. You are correct in saying that in majority Muslim countries, they do not embrace the freedoms that we enjoy nor do they have a tradition of democracy and secular government. As for individual Muslims-especially those we are westernized – I don’t know but suspect that many do, in fact accept secular government which protects their ability to practice their faith in equality with others
Muslims in the U.S. have, for the most part, assimilated, but freedom to choose a religion other than Islam is NOT a part of their faith.

3. However, it is equally clear, that there are Christians in this country, in positions of power and influence, or who aspire to those heights- who DO NOT respect the freedoms for all that we won, and that you tout - but rather for Christians only and only their particular brand of Christianity. THAT is the point of my post and the point that you ignore. You speak about freedom of religion and freedom to choose to not to practice a religion in glowing terms but at the same time seem to be defending those who would deny freedom to those who they disapprove of. Can you see the hypocrisy in that?
There's no evidence that your postings are anything more than conspiracy theory and don't deserve to be addressed.

4. You say that “Liberal's supreme being is government and they're only too happy to elect leaders who would deny freedom of speech and freedom of religion to those they disagree with. It's how liberal values are forced on the rest of us.” Let’s pick that load of inane equine excrement apart:

a) Many liberals are also religious. Ever hear of the Christian left or Liberation Theology?
Liberalism a religion and the groups you mentioned are the antithesis of Christianity, briefly:
The Christian left consists of liberal evangelical writers and preachers spewing the idea that if Christians accept abortion and same-sex marriage, then the media, academia and Hollywood will finally accept Christians. Anyone who's ever read the New Testament knows that Christians shouldn't crave worldly acceptance.
Liberation theology: a religious movement especially among Roman Catholic clergy in Latin America that combines political philosophy usually of a Marxist orientation with a theology of salvation as liberation from injustice.


b) Claiming that liberals want to deny freedom of religion or any sort of freedoms is more horseshit- unless what you mean is that liberals/progressive want to deny the freedom to discriminate against those who they disapprove of based on a bogus claim of religious freedom- then yes , your right- tough shit.
Christians are being sued to force them to participate in same-sex marriages....which goes against the definition of marriage spoken of by Christ. A Christian's choosing not to participate does not deny anyone their rights.....they have the right to just get another caterer, photographer, etc.

c) How the hell is anyone forcing “liberal values” on anyone. We want everyone to live according to their own values TO THE EXTENT that
doing so does not imping on anyone else’s right to live by their own values. Those on the right- and I assume that you are one them- are the ones that want to impose their values on others- through such things as restrictions on reproductive health, and marriage THINK ABOUT THAT.
What individuals do with their lives is their own business, but Christians have the right and obligation to speak out about society's acceptance of the slaughter of the unborn and to oppose the invention of same-sex "marriage" because goes against the Biblical definition of marriage and it promotes homosexuality which is also against Biblical teaching.

5. We know that separation of church is “ not a law’ and I know that it is often misused and misapplied. However, the first amendment means much more than prohibiting the establishment of a state religion. Here.... try to learn something:
I agree that "Separation...." has been misused in favor of secularists to prevent horrible acts such as Christmas carols in school programs, punishing children for saying grace in the lunchroom, erecting memorial crosses in the dessert, and other "crimes" against secularism.

"The correct understanding of the First Amendment is not that it forbids contact—and even voluntary cooperation—between church and state. Rather, it protects private religious liberty, but does so in two complementary ways. In a nutshell, government may neither compel nor prohibit religious exercise. The Establishment Clause side of the coin says that government may not prescribe religious exercise; the Free Exercise side says that government may not proscribe, disfavor or otherwise punish or prevent religious exercise voluntarily chosen by the people. But the two phrases are two sides of the same coin. It is little wonder, then, that the Supreme Court has abandoned entirely the misleading metaphor “separation of church and state.” It simply does not help explain the true meaning of the First Amendment. Where in the Constitution is “Separation of Church and State”?

Now , perhaps you would like to explain how the people who I have showcased, those who are Dominionists - who want government based on their brand of Christianity, who want mandatory Christian prayer in public schools, who want their ideas about sex and sexuality encoded into law are not in violation of the first amendment. How are they not-through government- infringing on my religious beliefs -if my beliefs allow abortion and same sex marriage and they want to prohibit them by law for everyone because of their religious beliefs. Take your time.

A final word: Keep in mind that case law- the way in which courts apply and interpret the law-including the constitution is in fact law. It need not be codified to have the force of law. Good luck. I had fun writing this. I hope that you will have a good time responding to it.

Liberals have been using the courts to force their "religion" on the rest of us for quite some time; and to the the detriment of society.
What is this garbled horseshit? All that you can do is call the evidence that I presented a conspiracy theory? Liberalism is a religion?? Shit.....get out of my face, and try to learn how to use the quote reply so that readers can actually tell who is saying what here. This is a fucking mess as you are. Try to deal with the actual points that I made .
 

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Conservative xenophobes and conspiracy neurotics are wringing their hands, and lamenting the rise of Islam in our country, which they claim will bring about the implementation of Sharia law.

However, whether out of ignorance or the belief that religious freedom and the first amendment does not apply equally to all religions, they fail to focus on the real threat to secularism.

We are talking about Christian Dominionism.

While there is no reason to believe that the few Muslims in our government harbor a desire to usurp secularism, there are appointed and elected Christians in our government right now – or are aspiring to high office-who have openly expressed the belief that the bible is superior to the constitution and cavorting with those who are like minded.


David Barton is a chief proponent of what he calls Seven Mountains Dominionism : Seven Mountains theology teaches that conservative Christians are to take control of the seven primary institutions, or “mountains,” that shape and control our culture — (1) Business; (2) Government; (3) Media; (4) Arts and Entertainment; (5) Education; (6) Family; and (7) Religion — and use them to implement biblical standards and spread the Gospel.

It is worth remembering that Barton is not only an influential Republican activist but also runs one of the main super PACs supporting Ted Cruz.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/david-barton-will-train-christians-to-take-control-of-government-and-transform-america-into-the-nation-that-god-wants-it-to-be/


Barton is also the long time chairman of the Texas Republican Party

But most of all, Barton is vehemently anti-gay, claiming that schools are forcing students to be gay and that the government should regulate gay sex. Recently, he has been telling audiences that the Supreme Court decision legalizing gay marriage will force all student athletes to share the same locker rooms and churches to hire pedophiles to run their nurseries while requiring the military to protect those who engage in bestiality.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/anti-gay-psuedo-historian-david-barton-tapped-to-run-ted-cruzs-super-pac/

Here is more:

When David Barton Talks, Conservative Candidates Listen ...

Among the possible Republican presidential candidates who seek his advice are Mike Huckabee, Newt Gingrich and Representative Michele Bachmann.

And guess who else is in bed with the Dominionists?

Donald Trump’s Amen Corner: Prosperity Preachers and Dominionists

It’s not really surprising that preachers who tout wealth as a sign of God’s favor would line up with a blustery billionaire like Trump, who says his riches are proof that he’s qualified to fix what’s wrong with the country. What is a bit more surprising is the support Trump is getting from a leading advocate of Seven Mountains dominionism, which teaches that government and other spheres of influence — “mountains” like media, entertainment, business — are meant to be run by the right kind of Christians.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/donald-trumps-amen-corner-prosperity-preachers-and-dominionists/

So, you say that Trump and the others did not seek out this type of support and do not actually believe this drivel ? Well he seeks them out!

Donald Trump’s Extremist Allies: Who’s Who At The Values Voter Summit 2016

Donald Trump is slated to join conservative activists and a number of GOP elected officials at next weekend’s Values Voter Summit, the annual Washington, D.C., event sponsored by the Family Research Council.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/donald-trumps-extremist-allies-whos-who-at-the-values-voter-summit-2016/



Be afraid! Be very afraid!!!!

The Founding Fathers believed in God which gave rise to their concept of natural rights.

Otherwise, men are nothing more than glorified animals that are subject to the same treatment of animals, such as being beasts of burden, locked away in zoos, or killed and eaten.

Secular Humanists believe we are glorified animals to be herded and destroyed if necessary. Just listen how they talk about over population as the greatest threat to the globe.

Be afraid, be very afraid.
 
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Conservative xenophobes and conspiracy neurotics are wringing their hands, and lamenting the rise of Islam in our country, which they claim will bring about the implementation of Sharia law.

However, whether out of ignorance or the belief that religious freedom and the first amendment does not apply equally to all religions, they fail to focus on the real threat to secularism.

We are talking about Christian Dominionism.

While there is no reason to believe that the few Muslims in our government harbor a desire to usurp secularism, there are appointed and elected Christians in our government right now – or are aspiring to high office-who have openly expressed the belief that the bible is superior to the constitution and cavorting with those who are like minded.


David Barton is a chief proponent of what he calls Seven Mountains Dominionism : Seven Mountains theology teaches that conservative Christians are to take control of the seven primary institutions, or “mountains,” that shape and control our culture — (1) Business; (2) Government; (3) Media; (4) Arts and Entertainment; (5) Education; (6) Family; and (7) Religion — and use them to implement biblical standards and spread the Gospel.

It is worth remembering that Barton is not only an influential Republican activist but also runs one of the main super PACs supporting Ted Cruz.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/david-barton-will-train-christians-to-take-control-of-government-and-transform-america-into-the-nation-that-god-wants-it-to-be/


Barton is also the long time chairman of the Texas Republican Party

But most of all, Barton is vehemently anti-gay, claiming that schools are forcing students to be gay and that the government should regulate gay sex. Recently, he has been telling audiences that the Supreme Court decision legalizing gay marriage will force all student athletes to share the same locker rooms and churches to hire pedophiles to run their nurseries while requiring the military to protect those who engage in bestiality.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/anti-gay-psuedo-historian-david-barton-tapped-to-run-ted-cruzs-super-pac/

Here is more:

When David Barton Talks, Conservative Candidates Listen ...

Among the possible Republican presidential candidates who seek his advice are Mike Huckabee, Newt Gingrich and Representative Michele Bachmann.

And guess who else is in bed with the Dominionists?

Donald Trump’s Amen Corner: Prosperity Preachers and Dominionists

It’s not really surprising that preachers who tout wealth as a sign of God’s favor would line up with a blustery billionaire like Trump, who says his riches are proof that he’s qualified to fix what’s wrong with the country. What is a bit more surprising is the support Trump is getting from a leading advocate of Seven Mountains dominionism, which teaches that government and other spheres of influence — “mountains” like media, entertainment, business — are meant to be run by the right kind of Christians.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/donald-trumps-amen-corner-prosperity-preachers-and-dominionists/

So, you say that Trump and the others did not seek out this type of support and do not actually believe this drivel ? Well he seeks them out!

Donald Trump’s Extremist Allies: Who’s Who At The Values Voter Summit 2016

Donald Trump is slated to join conservative activists and a number of GOP elected officials at next weekend’s Values Voter Summit, the annual Washington, D.C., event sponsored by the Family Research Council.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/donald-trumps-extremist-allies-whos-who-at-the-values-voter-summit-2016/



Be afraid! Be very afraid!!!!

The Founding Fathers believed in God which gave rise to their concept of natural rights.

Otherwise, men are nothing more than glorified animals that are subject to the same treatment of animals, such as being beasts of burden, locked away in zoos, or killed and eaten.

Secular Humanists believe we are glorified animals to be herded and destroyed if necessary. Just listen how they talk about over population as the greatest threat to the globe.

Be afraid, be very afraid.
Actually I don't believe that we are glorified animals at all. We are just animals equal to all others. In addition, I don't believe that any animals should be abused or exploited. Now, do you have anything to contribute to the topic?
 

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Atheistic governments only killed 200 million people in the 20th century. Maybe we should give atheism another chance.
Fascists and Marxists are Atheists because they cannot tolerate a competing ideology. That does not make Atheists Fascists or Marxists. Is it possible that you can't comprehend that? I'm willing to bet that a lot more people are killed in the name of god than by non believers.
Communism is naturalized humanism. Karl Marx
 

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