Chinese naval fleet seen off northern Japan

[Indofred]

The fleet you're moaning about isn't aggressive, they're conducting legal actions in their own and local international waters, in preparation for any potential aggression from foreign forces.

You're also assuming China is wrong in its claims on disputed islands. Perhaps Japan is wrong. Of course, if Japan is right, you'll have to assist the Japanese against South Korean claims.
Shit - which ally will you support?

Once you stop moaning, we can discuss.

Please explain how this fleet is aggressive.

It is a common sense. Submarines, frigates, destroyers, etc. are weapons. When you send them in disputed areas or close to it, you are provoking hostilities.

What, like America does?

Once again you are back to America. Your posts are what we call jerk off in my neighborhood.

You moaned about a country doing given things, but you ignore other countries do the same, just more so.
We call you a wanker where I come from.

 

[Vikrant]

Once you stop moaning, we can discuss.

Please explain how this fleet is aggressive.

It is a common sense. Submarines, frigates, destroyers, etc. are weapons. When you send them in disputed areas or close to it, you are provoking hostilities.

What, like America does?

Once again you are back to America. Your posts are what we call jerk off in my neighborhood.

You moaned about a country doing given things, but you ignore other countries do the same, just more so.
We call you a wanker where I come from.

Do you want me to find a dog to take care of your heat?

 

[Unkotare]

The fleet you're moaning about isn't aggressive, they're conducting legal actions in their own and local international waters, in preparation for any potential aggression from foreign forces.

You're also assuming China is wrong in its claims on disputed islands. Perhaps Japan is wrong. Of course, if Japan is right, you'll have to assist the Japanese against South Korean claims.
Shit - which ally will you support?

Once you stop moaning, we can discuss.

Please explain how this fleet is aggressive.

It is a common sense. Submarines, frigates, destroyers, etc. are weapons. When you send them in disputed areas or close to it, you are provoking hostilities.

What, like America does?

Once again you are back to America. Your posts are what we call jerk off in my neighborhood.

He's a little insect troll.

 

[Vikrant]

Once you stop moaning, we can discuss.

Please explain how this fleet is aggressive.

It is a common sense. Submarines, frigates, destroyers, etc. are weapons. When you send them in disputed areas or close to it, you are provoking hostilities.

What, like America does?

Once again you are back to America. Your posts are what we call jerk off in my neighborhood.

He's a little insect troll.

That idiot's logic is so absurd that it is beyond belief.

Here is what he is essentially saying:

There is a burnt light bulb in China's backyard. Instead of fixing that problem, he is pointing to a burnt light bulb in someone else's backyard and hoping that somehow that will negate the original problem of burnt light bulb in China's backyard.

 

[Indofred]

The facts are simple.
China conducted joint manoeuvres with Russia.
These took place in Russian and Chinese waters, with travel through international waters to get between the two countries.
There was no aggressive intent.
The reason for being there?
To conduct drills.
Why the drill?
To train for action against hostile foreign forces, intent on taking Chinese islands.
To train to react to foreign military aggression from a known hostile nation, the US of A.
A large US naval force often conducts manoeuvres and engages in aggressive patrols in the region, so China must react.
Russia, a country that has often been overflown by US military aircraft, and who's waters US spy planes commonly fly very close to, is equally interested in controlling the US threat.
If you want to understand the Chinese actions, you have to know why they're doing them.
To simply dismiss the American threat is a distortion of the truth.

 

[Vikrant]

The facts are simple.
China conducted joint manoeuvres with Russia.
These took place in Russian and Chinese waters, with travel through international waters to get between the two countries.
There was no aggressive intent.
The reason for being there?
To conduct drills.
Why the drill?
To train for action against hostile foreign forces, intent on taking Chinese islands.
To train to react to foreign military aggression from a known hostile nation, the US of A.
A large US naval force often conducts manoeuvres and engages in aggressive patrols in the region, so China must react.
Russia, a country that has often been overflown by US military aircraft, and who's waters US spy planes commonly fly very close to, is equally interested in controlling the US threat.
If you want to understand the Chinese actions, you have to know why they're doing them.
To simply dismiss the American threat is a distortion of the truth.

I am glad you have found a dog to take care of your heat. Or may be you took a cold shower. Either way, now we can talk in a civilized manner until you are in heat again, I suppose.

Go back and read my posts where I have clearly shown that most major countries in the region do not have any military alliance with the US. Also, US does not have any significant troop deployments in the countries which do have formal military alliance with the US. So you are being dishonest when you invoke US as a reason for China harassing its neighbors.

China intruding into Bhutan - what does it have to do with the US?
China destroying Philippines' boat in Philippines' water - what does it have to do with the US?
China destroying Vietnam's oil rig within Vietnam's UN recognized economic zone - what does it have to do with the US?
China sending nuclear armed submarines into Senkaku Islands which is part of Japan - what does it have to do with the US?
China invading and committing genocide against Tibetans - what does it have to do with the US?

Even a first grader can see that those actions of China are decoupled from the US but you cannot. So I have to ask you this: Are you dishonest or special?

 

[waltky]

Granny says, "Dat's right - dey gettin' ready to bomb Pearl Harbor again...

Historians say China twisting its history to justify military buildup, aggression
December 14, 2014 - China has increased its defense spending dramatically in the last decade to $131 billion this year, according to its official statements, placing it second only to the United States in military funding.

With a jump of more than 12 percent from 2013, many of its neighbors are unsettled by the buildup, particularly in light of China’s claims of sovereignty over islands throughout the South China and East China seas that are claimed by a host of other Asian countries. China is telling critics of the buildup that it is simply reclaiming its history as a powerful yet peaceful and defensive-minded nation. Officials point to the harmonious-minded teachings of Confucius and construction of the defensive Great Wall, among other historical evidence. But that interpretation of Chinese history, which has become an essential tool for the Communist Party of China to assuage its neighbors’ anxiety and manage domestic opinion, is at odds with the country’s history, Asia scholars say.

Reporters and other visitors gather to inspect the bow of the Haikou, a Chinese destroyer that arrived in Honolulu in June 2014 for participation in the annual Pacific Rim exercises. This was the first year China sent ships to the exercise from its navy, which the country has dramatically modernized and expanded during the past decade.

They point out that at the height of its power, China used military force — or its threat — to garner land and wealth. “China uses folklore, myths and legends, as well as history, to bolster greater territorial and maritime claims and create new realities on the land and water,” Mohan Malik, a China expert at the Asia-Pacific Center for Security Studies in Honolulu, wrote in an essay published last year. “Chinese textbooks preach the notion of the Middle Kingdom as being the oldest and most advanced civilization that was at the very center of the universe, surrounded by lesser, partially Sinicized states in East and Southeast Asia that must constantly bow and pay their respects.” China’s reading of history is relevant to the rest of the world for the very fact that it is central to the ideology underpinning the Communist Party of China’s foreign policy. It’s particularly important to Xi Jinping, China’s president and head of both the CPC and the Central Military Commission.

Xi has emphasized the philosophy of Confucius, a teacher who lived around 500 BC, whose principles were once vilified by the CPC under the leadership of Mao Zedong from the 1950s until his death in 1976. During a forum on Confucius in Beijing in September, Xi said China’s historical traditions “can offer beneficial insights for governance and wise rule,” according to the state-owned Xinhua news agency. “China lives in the past to chart its future,” Malik said during an interview with Stars and Stripes. “It’s China’s quest to expand its maritime frontiers using the Communist Party’s version of history that poses the biggest challenge to regional order and security. History is in dispute. Whose version of history is accurate? “With the collapse of the socialist bloc displacing communist Marxism and Leninism ideology, China has come to rely more and more on the Chinese Communist Party’s version of history to both justify and legitimize the party’s rule in China as part of its patriotic education, particularly since the 1989 Tiananmen massacre,” Malik said.

Construction of portions of China's Great Wall commenced during the Ming Dynasty only after a number of aggressive military campaigns to the north failed.

An examination of Chinese history reveals that its foreign policy has been strongly correlated to its relative strength as a regional power, said Yuan-kang Wang, an associate professor in the Department of Sociology and School of Public Affairs and Administration at Western Michigan University and author of the book “Harmony and War: Confucian Culture and Chinese Power Politics.” “When China was powerful, it was more aggressive, and when China was declining, it became more defensive,” Wang said. In his book, Wang examined China’s military policies during the Song and Ming dynasties, lasting roughly from 960 to 1644 AD — interrupted by the centurylong Mongol occupation from 1279 to 1368. Wang found that Confucian philosophy about justice, society and leadership had little influence on military decision-making during that era.

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[Indofred]

Granny says, "Dat's right - dey gettin' ready to bomb Pearl Harbor again...

Historians say China twisting its history to justify military buildup, aggression
December 14, 2014 - China has increased its defense spending dramatically in the last decade to $131 billion this year, according to its official statements, placing it second only to the United States in military funding.

With a jump of more than 12 percent from 2013, many of its neighbors are unsettled by the buildup, particularly in light of China’s claims of sovereignty over islands throughout the South China and East China seas that are claimed by a host of other Asian countries. China is telling critics of the buildup that it is simply reclaiming its history as a powerful yet peaceful and defensive-minded nation. Officials point to the harmonious-minded teachings of Confucius and construction of the defensive Great Wall, among other historical evidence. But that interpretation of Chinese history, which has become an essential tool for the Communist Party of China to assuage its neighbors’ anxiety and manage domestic opinion, is at odds with the country’s history, Asia scholars say.

Reporters and other visitors gather to inspect the bow of the Haikou, a Chinese destroyer that arrived in Honolulu in June 2014 for participation in the annual Pacific Rim exercises. This was the first year China sent ships to the exercise from its navy, which the country has dramatically modernized and expanded during the past decade.

They point out that at the height of its power, China used military force — or its threat — to garner land and wealth. “China uses folklore, myths and legends, as well as history, to bolster greater territorial and maritime claims and create new realities on the land and water,” Mohan Malik, a China expert at the Asia-Pacific Center for Security Studies in Honolulu, wrote in an essay published last year. “Chinese textbooks preach the notion of the Middle Kingdom as being the oldest and most advanced civilization that was at the very center of the universe, surrounded by lesser, partially Sinicized states in East and Southeast Asia that must constantly bow and pay their respects.” China’s reading of history is relevant to the rest of the world for the very fact that it is central to the ideology underpinning the Communist Party of China’s foreign policy. It’s particularly important to Xi Jinping, China’s president and head of both the CPC and the Central Military Commission.

Xi has emphasized the philosophy of Confucius, a teacher who lived around 500 BC, whose principles were once vilified by the CPC under the leadership of Mao Zedong from the 1950s until his death in 1976. During a forum on Confucius in Beijing in September, Xi said China’s historical traditions “can offer beneficial insights for governance and wise rule,” according to the state-owned Xinhua news agency. “China lives in the past to chart its future,” Malik said during an interview with Stars and Stripes. “It’s China’s quest to expand its maritime frontiers using the Communist Party’s version of history that poses the biggest challenge to regional order and security. History is in dispute. Whose version of history is accurate? “With the collapse of the socialist bloc displacing communist Marxism and Leninism ideology, China has come to rely more and more on the Chinese Communist Party’s version of history to both justify and legitimize the party’s rule in China as part of its patriotic education, particularly since the 1989 Tiananmen massacre,” Malik said.

Construction of portions of China's Great Wall commenced during the Ming Dynasty only after a number of aggressive military campaigns to the north failed.

An examination of Chinese history reveals that its foreign policy has been strongly correlated to its relative strength as a regional power, said Yuan-kang Wang, an associate professor in the Department of Sociology and School of Public Affairs and Administration at Western Michigan University and author of the book “Harmony and War: Confucian Culture and Chinese Power Politics.” “When China was powerful, it was more aggressive, and when China was declining, it became more defensive,” Wang said. In his book, Wang examined China’s military policies during the Song and Ming dynasties, lasting roughly from 960 to 1644 AD — interrupted by the centurylong Mongol occupation from 1279 to 1368. Wang found that Confucian philosophy about justice, society and leadership had little influence on military decision-making during that era.

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WWII started for America when the US tried to choke Japan's oil supply, leaving Japan two choices; retreat or attack.
The US is trying to buy influence in Malaysia and Indonesia, the two countries that can choke Chinese oil supplies.
Same stupidity, except China isn't doing as Japan did, just trading.

America is the aggressive nation, unless someone can explain the disparity between the number of countries China has attacked in the last 20 years (None), and the many America has attacked.