Indeed our America needs to regain self sufficiency through regaining our manufacturing edge. A protracted war(conventional war) would not go well for America @ current.Additionally. if a war is to start in Europe, they are unprepared. Their leaders expect America to come to their rescue once again.
Without a manufacturing industry the U.S. would lose any protracted war.
China is cunning and has built a huge manufacturing industry from makinking nails, cotton goods to launching satellites and people into space.
As it is, they've just finished building and aircraft carrier in one year.
The U.S. Navy has taken 5 years to refit and refuel the USS Stennis (nuclear powered) and has not completed the job yet.
Carrier USS John C. Stennis Overhaul Delayed, Work Will Take More than 5 Years to Complete - USNI News
This post has been updated with additional information from Naval Sea Systems Command. NEWPORT NEWS, Va. – The midlife overhaul and refueling for aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis (CVN-74) will now take about five and a half years to complete – an extension of almost 14 months, according to...news.usni.org
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China's New Aircraft Carrier Can Almost 'Match' the U.S. Navy in 1 Key Area
China’s Type 003 Fujian aircraft carrier, equipped with electromagnetic aircraft launch systems (EMALS), is nearing a breakthrough in matching U.S. Navy capabilities.www.19fortyfive.com
China 'Ready for War' With The US
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China 'Ready for War' With The US5 Mar 2025 ~~ By David Strom
China 'Ready for War' With The US
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Do you think that defending Ukraine is the existential battle for freedom in our lifetime?
I don't. Not that I want Vlad the Mad Putin to take over Ukraine, but the US faces much bigger problems than getting involved in a territorial dispute in a country with which we have almost no shared interests.
For over twenty years, presidents have talked about the "pivot to Asia" in US foreign policy, and for over 20 years that pivot never happened.
The reason for all that talk is simple: most of the action in the world economy touches Asia in some way, yet the region is not especially stable politically and militarily. China is an expansionist power, Russia is a player in the Pacific as well as Europe, and territorial disputes are more common there and much more important than in Europe.
China and the Philippines are in a lukewarm war over territorial disputes, and China's ambitions to retake Taiwan are coming to a head.
And now China declares that it is ready for war with the United States.
We all saw this coming. As the US economy became ever more intertwined with China, the Chinese ambition and capability to exercise economic and military power has grown even faster.
~Snip~
I don't expect hostilities to break out tomorrow, although the trade war is heating up already. But China has been expanding its military at an alarming rate, with the world's largest (but not most powerful) Navy, an anti-access area-denial umbrella of ballistic missiles, an increasingly capable air force, and bellicose policies against its neighbors.
~Snip~
War games have been worrying our military leaders, showing devastating losses for Americans in any conflict should it occur. As the US has had trouble remaking our military from one focused on small conflicts against ragtag terrorists to one ready to take on near-peer adversaries, China has been laser focused on building capabilities to take advantage of our long supply lines and reliance on carriers and fixed air bases to project power in the region.
This, more than even the humanitarian and fiscal incentives to end the Ukraine war, justifies Trump's hardball tactics in Europe. Our main adversary is China, and Xi Jinping is laying down the gauntlet.
Xi, it is said, wants to get Taiwan back before he exits the political scene. I can't see into his head to know that this is true, but if so war of some kind is inevitable.
And Xi is signaling he is ready.
Commentary:
The Chinese have been building their military for decades. Yet, like the North Koreans and Russians they continue to fight the last war.
Their human mass attacks are only fodder for cannon and drones.
In relation to China's readiness to fight. Everything looks great until the first shots are fired then reality kicks in... Every military leadership in history says the same thing until the first shots are fired and boots hit the ground. Russia found that out very quickly...
Donald Rumsfeld said, "You go to war with the army you've got, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time.".
Sure they got lots of planes, ships and other machines of war. But how many seasoned fighter pilots and naval skippers do they have? How many pilots can do carrier landings and takeoffs? How well drilled are their crews?
Taiwan, however, has been preparing for attempted invasions for a long time, and watching with interest the goings on in Ukraine.
Then again China is looking at Manchuria and looking to take land from India.
Before Democrats turned the Russo-Ukraine war. into an endless war and their personal laundering piggy bank, back when it was still being fought out of pure desperation, the Ukrainians did some brilliant things with drones, land mines and defensive urban warfare. The text books have all been changed. And Taiwan has been taking notes.
I think it's important for all of us to remember how we got to this place. We got here in large measure because politicians and globalists facilitated the move of our industrial base overseas, and selling strategic technology to China while enriching themselves.
That is what Bill Clinton did by selling out the United States of America to the Chinese Communists.
While all in America were concerned about Bubba was getting his knob polished by an aide . The hell with their families who were going to be killed by the Communists so that he could make a dollar. China Gate was real and catastrophic to America.
Read more:
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Congress Investigating Sales of Satellite Technology to China (Published 1998)
Several Congressional committees investigate whether Clinton Administration's policy of exporting space satellite technology to China has helped China and other countries to develop and use nuclear missiles; inquiries were sparked by article in The New York Times disclosing Pentagon finding that...www.nytimes.com
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How China acquires ‘the crown jewels’ of U.S. technology
The U.S. fails to adequately police foreign deals for next-generation software that powers the military and American economic strength.www.politico.com
They have already infiltrated 200,000 soldiers into the US thanks to Joey bribem.
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Failzero
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economic warfare is not on the table ?
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Nah.
AZrailwhale
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Sure they are. They are ballistic missiles with HE warheads that would require a direct hit to damage a carrier. The carrier task groups have multiple escorts with SAMs that can engage ballistic missiles and the Chinese missile lack any sort terminal guidance. They will be launched at the reported location of the task group, which since they travel at over twenty five knots will be miles away from the original target location. Nothing the Chinese have can survive to provide constant locations for the missiles to target. The Chinese will have to salvo fifty or more missiles hoping to get one or two into an acquisition basket of a carrier. Those two will have to survive the SAMs and gunfire of two cruisers, a couple of destroyers and a frigate or two. China might get “lucky” and kill one carrier at the cost of losing every airfield and missile base within five hundred miles of the coast.
Stryder50
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This third carrier(CV) of China's is about 75% of the displacement of standard USN carrier, it is steam powered where the USN carriers are nuclear powered, the China carrier has about 40 aircraft and 12 helios in it's wing whereas usual USN CV has about 90(+) with about 80 being fixed wing, the rest helio.Additionally. if a war is to start in Europe, they are unprepared. Their leaders expect America to come to their rescue once again.
Without a manufacturing industry the U.S. would lose any protracted war.
China is cunning and has built a huge manufacturing industry from makinking nails, cotton goods to launching satellites and people into space.
As it is, they've just finished building and aircraft carrier in one year.
The U.S. Navy has taken 5 years to refit and refuel the USS Stennis (nuclear powered) and has not completed the job yet.
Carrier USS John C. Stennis Overhaul Delayed, Work Will Take More than 5 Years to Complete - USNI News
This post has been updated with additional information from Naval Sea Systems Command. NEWPORT NEWS, Va. – The midlife overhaul and refueling for aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis (CVN-74) will now take about five and a half years to complete – an extension of almost 14 months, according to...xxxxxxxxxxChina's New Aircraft Carrier Can Almost 'Match' the U.S. Navy in 1 Key Area
China’s Type 003 Fujian aircraft carrier, equipped with electromagnetic aircraft launch systems (EMALS), is nearing a breakthrough in matching U.S. Navy capabilities.
So the China CV is getting close, but not quit a match to the USN vessels.
The USN has 10 Nimitz class CV and the new Ford class for a total of 11 CVs per China's one.
Our carrier aircraft are more superior than China's and more importantly, the USN has about nine decades of experience in carrier air wing operations. Means our flyers are more trained and experienced than what China has.
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justoffal
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Why would sec def say that all the carriers would be gone in 20 minutes? Is he bluffing?
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Europe will nuke Russia if it strikes west.This third carrier(CV) of China's is about 75% of the displacement of standard USN carrier, it is steam powered where the USN carriers are nuclear powered, the China carrier has about 40 aircraft and 12 helios in it's wing whereas usual USN CV has about 90(+) with about 80 being fixed wing, the rest helio.
So the China CV is getting close, but not quit a match to the USN vessels.
The USN has 10 Nimitz class CV and the new Ford class for a total of 11 CVs per China's one.
Our carrier aircraft are more superior than China's and more importantly, the USN has about nine decades of experience in carrier air wing operations. Means our flyers are more trained and experienced than what China has.
Chinese aircraft carrier Fujian - Wikipedia
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Russia has no doubt of that.
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Hegseth to NATO: Congratulations! You're on your own
Stryder50
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That would likely set off a chain reaction of other nukes flying (Russia nuke Europe in response, etc.) and not end well for humanity and the planet.
Let's hope they have more common sense than you suggest.
The greater threat than Russia is China and rogue nations Iran and North Korea.
Stryder50
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General rule of thumb in naval deployments during peace time is the "rule" of three.
For every vessel on overseas deployment, two are either entering or getting ready to leave port for/after Rest-Repair-Refit-Upgrades. Often that shapes out to one out of four.
So with half or more of the USN carriers(CV) stateside and mostly inactive in port, would be difficult to get to all of them in one blow. Using conventional weapons that is. Start flinging intercontinental nukes and it's a radically new ball game!
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That's why Russia won't strike West.
Stryder50
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I didn't suggest/say they would.
With China and N. Korea having to give them munitions and manpower it would seem Russia has shot most of it's bolt.
My concern is China might see a weakness in the USA that would encourage them to grab Taiwan, or try to. That rests on results of an air and sea battle between China and the USA, along with Taiwan and what ever our Pacific Allies can pony up.
However, this situation would draw down most of the USA deploy able resources to there, plus exhaust our munitions stockpile in less than a month, thus putting a crimp on any protracted conventional conflict.
Further more many of our major warships are ending their service life with few replacements in the pipeline. Compounded by the large decline in USA shipbuilding facilities, and the declining quality coming out of them.
Within a couple years the USN may be in very poor shape to do much of anything to counter China, or rogues Iran and North Korea, or even Russia. Certainly not all four at once, even at present that is very low positive odds.
justoffal
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I believe they are guided also and far more accurate than previous weapons. Of course the Chinese would suffer massive retaliation.
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Then who cares.
Our navy can flatten China in sea and port warfare in six hours now and in a couple of years.
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I think the carriers would be massive targets but if we even lost one carrier China would lose half of its real estate in less than 6 hours you're correct about that I believe.
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