China needs to be put in their place on trade.

[Harpy Eagle]

First off it's stupid we are giving money away when we are borrowing it, but that's another argument.
Second off I have no problem paying $5,000 for a big screen tv or doing without if it means everyone can afford groceries.
Third off, it's unsustainable to maintain the deficit. We need the Tariff to save Americans from having to live like Chinese.

First off, the national debt and the trade deficit are not connected. The former is the Fed Govt spending too much money and the latter is we the private citizens of the country choosing to buy things from China.

Second, good for you, feel free to do so. Just do not fuck with my freedom to not do so.

Third, why is not sustainable? I have a trade deficit with my local grocery because they can acquire food cheaper and more efficiently than I can. I give them money they give me goods, the exact thing that causes the trade deficit with China. The trade deficit with China is there because a couple hundred million US citizens choose to buy their products...why is that not sustainable?


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[Taz]

We need to hit China hard on trade. They are allowed to dump products into the U.S. market place but they have such high tariffs on American made products, their market is close to U.S. companies. Bring jobs back to the USA.
Opinion | Why Trump Is Raising Tariffs on China

Ban everything from China.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

We need to hit China hard on trade. They are allowed to dump products into the U.S. market place but they have such high tariffs on American made products, their market is close to U.S. companies. Bring jobs back to the USA.
Opinion | Why Trump Is Raising Tariffs on China

Ban everything from China.

How about we just ban you instead?


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[Slyhunter]

First off it's stupid we are giving money away when we are borrowing it, but that's another argument.
Second off I have no problem paying $5,000 for a big screen tv or doing without if it means everyone can afford groceries.
Third off, it's unsustainable to maintain the deficit. We need the Tariff to save Americans from having to live like Chinese.

First off, the national debt and the trade deficit are not connected. The former is the Fed Govt spending too much money and the latter is we the private citizens of the country choosing to buy things from China.

Second, good for you, feel free to do so. Just do not fuck with my freedom to not do so.

Third, why is not sustainable? I have a trade deficit with my local grocery because they can acquire food cheaper and more efficiently than I can. I give them money they give me goods, the exact thing that causes the trade deficit with China. The trade deficit with China is there because a couple hundred million US citizens choose to buy their products...why is that not sustainable?


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You can't borrow for an indefinite amount of time. Sooner or later you have to pay it back.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

First off it's stupid we are giving money away when we are borrowing it, but that's another argument.
Second off I have no problem paying $5,000 for a big screen tv or doing without if it means everyone can afford groceries.
Third off, it's unsustainable to maintain the deficit. We need the Tariff to save Americans from having to live like Chinese.

First off, the national debt and the trade deficit are not connected. The former is the Fed Govt spending too much money and the latter is we the private citizens of the country choosing to buy things from China.

Second, good for you, feel free to do so. Just do not fuck with my freedom to not do so.

Third, why is not sustainable? I have a trade deficit with my local grocery because they can acquire food cheaper and more efficiently than I can. I give them money they give me goods, the exact thing that causes the trade deficit with China. The trade deficit with China is there because a couple hundred million US citizens choose to buy their products...why is that not sustainable?


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You can't borrow for an indefinite amount of time. Sooner or later you have to pay it back.

What the hell are you talking about?

The trade deficit has nothing to do with borrowing, it has to do with us buying good from China. And by us I mean the private citizens and not the government.

I just bought a new graphics card for my computer, it was made in China, I paid cash for it. I added to the trade deficit and there was no borrowing involved.


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[SandSquid]

I do remember those days. I also remember the democrats and the weak repubs giving out crap trade deals during that time.

We can win this trade war easily. If people like you can find the balls to fight it. It may hurt short time. Wars are like that. If you don't surrender though you can win and everything gets much better. Let Trump do what he needs to do to fix this and suck it up for a while. If not then we have your surrender letter in your post.

Under the current trade deals we have...

the longest period of positive job growth in the history of the country.

the 2nd longest period of economic expansion in the history of the country (will be the longest in 2 months)

record low sustained unemployment

more jobs than people to fill them

record setting financial markets till the trade war started.

Which of those things would you like the new trade deals to get rid of?

I'd like to see a more fair trade deal that actually opens up the Chinese market for a longer term gain. We aren't going to lose much short term to make major gains long term. Intellectual property, money manipulation, open markets that are closed to us. Those three alone change the entire dynamic which favors us.

And to be honest if we don't let Trump get this done we may never have another president with the balls to not surrender.

Trade deals should be mutually beneficial, not "fair" as fair only exist in the eye of the beholder.

Have we as a nation done well under the current trade deals?

We have a trade deficit with China because we can't sell our shit over there. One of the reasons preventing us from selling our shit over there are their tariffs. Our initializing a Tariff on Chinese goods is only a trading tool to get them to stop tariffing us.

Not true. China's average tariff rate on exports in the early 90's was 32.17%. That had dropped to 3.5% in 2016. US trade with China had gone from a 20% discrepancy to only a 10% from 2000-2016. Now that number is expanding again with the tariff wars.

 

[Taz]

We need to hit China hard on trade. They are allowed to dump products into the U.S. market place but they have such high tariffs on American made products, their market is close to U.S. companies. Bring jobs back to the USA.
Opinion | Why Trump Is Raising Tariffs on China

Ban everything from China.

How about we just ban you instead?


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I just came off a month long ban yesterday. Let me build up a bit more ill will first.

In the meanwhile, let's ban everything from China and teach those rice gobblers a lesson.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

We need to hit China hard on trade. They are allowed to dump products into the U.S. market place but they have such high tariffs on American made products, their market is close to U.S. companies. Bring jobs back to the USA.
Opinion | Why Trump Is Raising Tariffs on China

Ban everything from China.

How about we just ban you instead?


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I just came off a month long ban yesterday. Let me build up a bit more ill will first.

In the meanwhile, let's ban everything from China and teach those rice gobblers a lesson.

Nope, let’s be a free country instead and let the people buy what they want to buy...quit being a socialist


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[Slyhunter]

First off it's stupid we are giving money away when we are borrowing it, but that's another argument.
Second off I have no problem paying $5,000 for a big screen tv or doing without if it means everyone can afford groceries.
Third off, it's unsustainable to maintain the deficit. We need the Tariff to save Americans from having to live like Chinese.

First off, the national debt and the trade deficit are not connected. The former is the Fed Govt spending too much money and the latter is we the private citizens of the country choosing to buy things from China.

Second, good for you, feel free to do so. Just do not fuck with my freedom to not do so.

Third, why is not sustainable? I have a trade deficit with my local grocery because they can acquire food cheaper and more efficiently than I can. I give them money they give me goods, the exact thing that causes the trade deficit with China. The trade deficit with China is there because a couple hundred million US citizens choose to buy their products...why is that not sustainable?


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You can't borrow for an indefinite amount of time. Sooner or later you have to pay it back.

What the hell are you talking about?

The trade deficit has nothing to do with borrowing, it has to do with us buying good from China. And by us I mean the private citizens and not the government.

I just bought a new graphics card for my computer, it was made in China, I paid cash for it. I added to the trade deficit and there was no borrowing involved.


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The deficit is a form of borrowing.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

We need to hit China hard on trade. They are allowed to dump products into the U.S. market place but they have such high tariffs on American made products, their market is close to U.S. companies. Bring jobs back to the USA.
Opinion | Why Trump Is Raising Tariffs on China

Ban everything from China.

How about we just ban you instead?


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I just came off a month long ban yesterday. Let me build up a bit more ill will first.

In the meanwhile, let's ban everything from China and teach those rice gobblers a lesson.

Nope, let’s be a free country instead and let the people buy what they want to buy...quit being a socialist


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You're not an American so who cares?

Where did you get that idea? Born here, live here and gave 20 years of my life in service to America


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[Harpy Eagle]

First off it's stupid we are giving money away when we are borrowing it, but that's another argument.
Second off I have no problem paying $5,000 for a big screen tv or doing without if it means everyone can afford groceries.
Third off, it's unsustainable to maintain the deficit. We need the Tariff to save Americans from having to live like Chinese.

First off, the national debt and the trade deficit are not connected. The former is the Fed Govt spending too much money and the latter is we the private citizens of the country choosing to buy things from China.

Second, good for you, feel free to do so. Just do not fuck with my freedom to not do so.

Third, why is not sustainable? I have a trade deficit with my local grocery because they can acquire food cheaper and more efficiently than I can. I give them money they give me goods, the exact thing that causes the trade deficit with China. The trade deficit with China is there because a couple hundred million US citizens choose to buy their products...why is that not sustainable?


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You can't borrow for an indefinite amount of time. Sooner or later you have to pay it back.

What the hell are you talking about?

The trade deficit has nothing to do with borrowing, it has to do with us buying good from China. And by us I mean the private citizens and not the government.

I just bought a new graphics card for my computer, it was made in China, I paid cash for it. I added to the trade deficit and there was no borrowing involved.


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The deficit is a form of borrowing.

No it is not, not even close.

You have a trade deficit with your local grocery store, you give them cash and all they ever give you is stuff.

Same is true of the trade deficit with China, we give them our cash and they give us stuff.


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[Harpy Eagle]

How about we just ban you instead?


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I just came off a month long ban yesterday. Let me build up a bit more ill will first.

In the meanwhile, let's ban everything from China and teach those rice gobblers a lesson.

Nope, let’s be a free country instead and let the people buy what they want to buy...quit being a socialist


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You're not an American so who cares?

Where did you get that idea? Born here, live here and gave 20 years of my life in service to America


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Then you must simply be addicted to the smell of cheap plastic to support China like you do.

I am addicted to the smell of freedom to make my own choices and the smell of my ever growing bank account.

I bet your cellphone and half the stuff in your house was made in China.


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[Taz]

I just came off a month long ban yesterday. Let me build up a bit more ill will first.

In the meanwhile, let's ban everything from China and teach those rice gobblers a lesson.

Nope, let’s be a free country instead and let the people buy what they want to buy...quit being a socialist


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You're not an American so who cares?

Where did you get that idea? Born here, live here and gave 20 years of my life in service to America


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Then you must simply be addicted to the smell of cheap plastic to support China like you do.

I am addicted to the smell of freedom to make my own choices and the smell of my ever growing bank account.

I bet your cellphone and half the stuff in your house was made in China.


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We give everyone 2 years to source they products somewhere else. You've obviously never been in a war.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

We need to hit China hard on trade. They are allowed to dump products into the U.S. market place but they have such high tariffs on American made products, their market is close to U.S. companies. Bring jobs back to the USA.
Opinion | Why Trump Is Raising Tariffs on China

Good place to start is for the US to move a shitload of their best warships into the Red China Sea. Let Xi suck on that for a while.

What is that going to do but have warships hanging around doing nothing in the china sea?

Yea, it may help chronic erectile dysfunctional folks like yourself get off -- but it really doesn't address the trade deficit or anything else trade related.

Do you think launching a military strike against China will help win the trade war or do you just settle for acting like you are going to strike?

 

[Slyhunter]

First off it's stupid we are giving money away when we are borrowing it, but that's another argument.
Second off I have no problem paying $5,000 for a big screen tv or doing without if it means everyone can afford groceries.
Third off, it's unsustainable to maintain the deficit. We need the Tariff to save Americans from having to live like Chinese.

First off, the national debt and the trade deficit are not connected. The former is the Fed Govt spending too much money and the latter is we the private citizens of the country choosing to buy things from China.

Second, good for you, feel free to do so. Just do not fuck with my freedom to not do so.

Third, why is not sustainable? I have a trade deficit with my local grocery because they can acquire food cheaper and more efficiently than I can. I give them money they give me goods, the exact thing that causes the trade deficit with China. The trade deficit with China is there because a couple hundred million US citizens choose to buy their products...why is that not sustainable?


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You can't borrow for an indefinite amount of time. Sooner or later you have to pay it back.

What the hell are you talking about?

The trade deficit has nothing to do with borrowing, it has to do with us buying good from China. And by us I mean the private citizens and not the government.

I just bought a new graphics card for my computer, it was made in China, I paid cash for it. I added to the trade deficit and there was no borrowing involved.


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The deficit is a form of borrowing.

No it is not, not even close.

You have a trade deficit with your local grocery store, you give them cash and all they ever give you is stuff.

Same is true of the trade deficit with China, we give them our cash and they give us stuff.


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We just print more money eh?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Nope, let’s be a free country instead and let the people buy what they want to buy...quit being a socialist


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You're not an American so who cares?

Where did you get that idea? Born here, live here and gave 20 years of my life in service to America


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Then you must simply be addicted to the smell of cheap plastic to support China like you do.

I am addicted to the smell of freedom to make my own choices and the smell of my ever growing bank account.

I bet your cellphone and half the stuff in your house was made in China.


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We give everyone 2 years to source they products somewhere else. You've obviously never been in a war.

That is a great plan if you want the government to have even more control over your life and less freedom of choice. Perhaps you are living in the wrong country, there seems to be too much freedom here for you.


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[Harpy Eagle]

First off, the national debt and the trade deficit are not connected. The former is the Fed Govt spending too much money and the latter is we the private citizens of the country choosing to buy things from China.

Second, good for you, feel free to do so. Just do not fuck with my freedom to not do so.

Third, why is not sustainable? I have a trade deficit with my local grocery because they can acquire food cheaper and more efficiently than I can. I give them money they give me goods, the exact thing that causes the trade deficit with China. The trade deficit with China is there because a couple hundred million US citizens choose to buy their products...why is that not sustainable?


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You can't borrow for an indefinite amount of time. Sooner or later you have to pay it back.

What the hell are you talking about?

The trade deficit has nothing to do with borrowing, it has to do with us buying good from China. And by us I mean the private citizens and not the government.

I just bought a new graphics card for my computer, it was made in China, I paid cash for it. I added to the trade deficit and there was no borrowing involved.


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The deficit is a form of borrowing.

No it is not, not even close.

You have a trade deficit with your local grocery store, you give them cash and all they ever give you is stuff.

Same is true of the trade deficit with China, we give them our cash and they give us stuff.


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We just print more money eh?

I earn my money, if you print your own that is on you, but you might not want to brag about it.

You seem to think the trade deficit is between the government of the US and the government of China...but this is simply not true.

The trade deficit exist between the citizens of the US and the citizens of China.


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[Deplorable Yankee]

the cucks on the right we're already caving and screaming bloody murder

See
i knew i shouldn't of turned on the news

 

[Harpy Eagle]

the cucks on the right we're already caving and screaming bloody murder

See
i knew i shouldn't of turned on the news

Might have something to do with the markets losing 4% over the last two days


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[evenflow1969]

We need to hit China hard on trade. They are allowed to dump products into the U.S. market place but they have such high tariffs on American made products, their market is close to U.S. companies. Bring jobs back to the USA.
Opinion | Why Trump Is Raising Tariffs on China

About time we quit being a microwave society. Short term pain for long term gain. China has been acting like a bunch of cheats for ever, we have to stand up to them. We need to do it in a smart way though. We need to get our allies to punish them as well and not let china just replace us with our allies as trading partners. It use to be a conservative view to look in the long term instead of the short term. Now if we would impliment these views on national debt and taking care of infrastucture I would start to believe that real conservatism is coming back.