China calls for Russia-Ukraine cease-fire, peace talks

[pknopp]

also FYI :



US says China will face 'real costs' if it provides lethal aid to Russia for war in Ukraine

US national security adviser Jake Sullivan on Sunday vowed there would be "real costs" for China if the country went forward with providing lethal aid to Russia in its war on Ukraine.

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"If China act like us, boy will we get mad"

 

[alang1216]

Yes that's pretty much what I said....but you're missing the bigger point here.
NATO is no longer a defensive organization they have demonstrabley become
expansionists intent on conquest. This has not been lost on either the Russian or
the Chinese militaries.

Examples?

 

[pknopp]

Examples?

Libya attacked no one when they were attacked.

 

[peacefan]

Libya attacked no one when they were attacked.

Libya was going to upset the world's gold economic standard model to gain influence in Northern Africa.
that was found unacceptable, so a plausible excuse for regime change was quickly found.

 

[pknopp]

Libya was going to upset the world's gold economic standard model to gain influence in Northern Africa.
that was found unacceptable, so a plausible excuse for regime change was quickly found.

Yes, they were interested in harming the pockets of the very rich. We "NATO" attacked over that.

Is that why NATO was created?

 

[alang1216]

Libya attacked no one when they were attacked.

1. Gaddafi had a history of military attacks and terrorism.
2. There was a war going on there between Libyan factions and the UN voted for military intervention.
3. There was no invasion or occupation, no NATO troops were on the ground, all fighting was done by Libyans.
4. A Gallup poll conducted in March and April 2012 found that Libyans had "among the highest approval" of US leadership in the entire Middle East and North Africa region.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

China issues peace plan; Zelenskyy says he’ll await details

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — China called for a cease-fire and peace talks between Ukraine and Russia on Friday, and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy cautiously welcomed Beijing’s involvement -- but said success would depend on actions not words.

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we should give this proper attention and a real chance of success.

Should Ukraine yield territory to Russia?

Given that China has a national debt per capita (in 2020) of $7164, and that that's $84,866 per capita in the US in the same year, given that China is on technological (near-)parity with us these days, i believe we should let China have that seat at the head of the negotiating table over the...

www.usmessageboard.com

So you trust China - the same country you claim created a disease with Fauci to murder Americans..the same China you claim controls Biden...you are saying we should listen to their peace proposal?


Bawahahaha....I swear yall are clowns....

 

[pknopp]

1. Gaddafi had a history of military attacks and terrorism.
2. There was a war going on there between Libyan factions and the UN voted for military intervention.
3. There was no invasion or occupation, no NATO troops were on the ground, all fighting was done by Libyans.
4. A Gallup poll conducted in March and April 2012 found that Libyans had "among the highest approval" of US leadership in the entire Middle East and North Africa region.

Yeah, that's why Benghazi happened.

 

[alang1216]

Yeah, that's why Benghazi happened.

Yeah, it is always dangerous to take sides.

 

[peacefan]

Yes, they were interested in harming the pockets of the very rich. We "NATO" attacked over that.

Is that why NATO was created?

if our rich are attacked, our entire economies and therefore our entire populations are attacked.

 

[frigidweirdo]

China didn't go to the Ukraine. Telling.... It wasn't a peace talks trip at all.

 

[peacefan]

U.S. fears Lukashenko’s visit to China is strengthening ties between Russia’s closest allies.

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Lukashenko leads Belarus, which is between the baltic states (notably: Lithuania) and western-dominated Ukraine.
the leaders of Belarus chose to side with Moscow[1], like so many other states have.
that makes this no longer a capitalism vs socialism/marxism fight, but a fight of new economically leading countries in Asia combined with their much more economically deprived allies.
but those allies can still supply troops (including prisoner populations) for Russia to fight with.
both sides must show a willingness to negotiate and reach a practical lasting peace in all of Ukraine, with some localities and smaller regions in Ukraine perhaps joining Russia after all.
i suppose a new referendum is necessary over there.

[1] the troops 'excersises' together with Russia in the years leading up to the Ukraine war
[1a] recent news that Belarus 'fully supports' the Chinese peace plan for Ukraine.

 

[peacefan]

China didn't go to the Ukraine. Telling.... It wasn't a peace talks trip at all.

Zelensky is the one who is most staunchly refusing to negotiate here.
all he wants is more free weapons from the west to sacrifice more human beings with, for his ego and bank account.

 

[peacefan]

Drones fly deep inside Russia; Putin orders border tightened

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... summary : ...
the times of india sucks, they have disabled the ability to copy-and-paste texts from their articles
1: drones got up to 60 miles from Moscow
2: drones caused no injuries/damage
3: Ukraine did not accept responsibility, but stressed it's 'right' to attack targets within Russia.
...

so, that's further evidence that Zelensky is a large-scale psychopathic "comedian" that 'did a Hitler move' by stalling the Minsk agreement negotiations with Russia for so long that Russia ended up slaughtering the elderly in Ukraine with clusterbomb rain in the opening phases of 'Putin's war'. It should simply be named 'The Ukrainian-Russian war'.
IF YOUR LOCAL RESIDENTS IN ANY AREA ON YOUR BORDERS WANT TO JOIN ANOTHER COUNTRY, YOU SHOULD LET THEM DO THAT, RATHER THAN SEND THEM INTO THE DEPTHS OF WAR.
UKRAINE SHOULD HAVE SURRENDERED ON DAY 1, ZELENSKY AND HIS GANG SHOULD HAVE TAKEN 'THE U.S. HELICOPTER OPTION'.



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[peacefan]

so far i'm seeing a lot of happy faces on Fox News whenever "the expenditures to Ukraine's defense" are clarified : they go to the U.S. arms industry.

so many unjust wars (capitalism vs a socialism/marxism that turned out quite a lot like capitalism, with it's aristocratic cultural and meritocracy roots).
so many times when surrender was better than years of war followed by retreat.

the *only* just wars by The Western alliance were the Bosnian regional peace keeping missions and the Afghan peace enforcing mission.
*that's* the kind of stuff that people like me will need to win online battles against thousands of readers' inclination to strike back in some way against what they would otherwise perceive as a source of evil (our alliance, our people, our leaders, our armies and police forces).
we win the battle for their minds (by not engaging in unjust wars), then we finally stand a chance of stopping that seemingly ever spinning genetic spiral of violence and rebuilding from that violence's effect.

THERE ARE FAR BETTER ACTIVITIES FOR HUMANS THAN MAKING WAR ON EACH OTHER.
AND YOU KNOW IT.
SO ACT LIKE IT.

RUSSIA IS NOT ON A GENOCIDAL MISSION AGAINST UKRAINE.
IT MERELY WANTS TERRITORY WHERE RUSSIAN SPEAKING PEOPLE LIVE, TO REJOIN THE NEW RUSSIAN ALLIANCE.
WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT THOSE INHABITANTS THEMSELVES INDICATED IN A NUMBER OF REFERENDUMS[1a,1b] THAT AT LEAST A SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE OF THAT REGIONAL POPULATION WANTS THAT.
[1a] 2014 Donbas status referendums - Wikipedia.
[1b] Kiev to hold referendum on Minsk agreements if no other options, deputy PM says

 

[frigidweirdo]

Zelensky is the one who is most staunchly refusing to negotiate here.
all he wants is more free weapons from the west to sacrifice more human beings with, for his ego and bank account.

And yet he said he wanted to speak with Xi, Xi didn't go.

 

[peacefan]

And yet he said he wanted to speak with Xi, Xi didn't go.

ok, that's all over the recent news allright..

Ukraine war: Zelensky wants Xi Jinping meeting following China's peace plan

Beijing's call for a Ukraine war ceasefire shows China is involved in the search for peace, Ukraine's leader says.

www.bbc.com

this was news to me, btw.

well, then i'm stuck here.
now i don't know who to blame for the lack of progress in this peace process.

 

[peacefan]

India urges G-20 ministers to look beyond East-West crisis

Top diplomats from the world's major industrialized and developing nations have opened what are expected to be contentious talks dominated by Russia's war in Ukraine and China's moves to boost its global influence.

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ok, let's just see where this thing goes from here.
let's see if indeed all world leaders can do is stoke the flames while pretending to be the firemen,
or whether i'm wrong about that.

 

[frigidweirdo]

ok, that's all over the recent news allright..

Ukraine war: Zelensky wants Xi Jinping meeting following China's peace plan

Beijing's call for a Ukraine war ceasefire shows China is involved in the search for peace, Ukraine's leader says.

www.bbc.com

this was news to me, btw.

well, then i'm stuck here.
now i don't know who to blame for the lack of progress in this peace process.

There is no peace process.

I had though that China wanted to be seen as a peacemaker, an international player, like Clinton in the Balkans in the 1990s, some people get off on that, improve their image, go down in history.
Then I read a BBC article. Yes, take it with a pinch of salt.

China and the Ukraine war: The real reason for Beijing's charm offensive

Western leaders may be unimpressed - but convincing them was never likely the main goal for Beijing.

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China and the Ukraine war: The real reason for Beijing's charm offensive"​

"Firstly, it [China] clearly seeks to position itself as a global peacemaker."

So, I'm not wrong, according to the BBC

"But another goal is to send a clear message to the US."

""There is an element of defiance," said Alexander Korolev, an expert in Sino-Russian ties at the University of New South Wales. "It is signalling: 'If things get ugly between us, I have someone to go to. Russia is not alone, which means that I will not be alone when there is a confrontation… don't get comfortable in bullying me.'""

"There was a third goal, and it could be seen in Mr Wang's itinerary.
By visiting France, Germany, Italy and Hungary, whose leaders China perceives as taking less of a hardline stance on Russia, Mr Wang may have been testing the waters to see if China could lure some of Europe into China's orbit."

Essentially, China is trying to assert itself internationally. Look like a peacemaker, look like an international player, get countries on its side rather than the US's side.
What does China want from the war in the Ukraine? Peace no matter how it happens. Peace means more money, and China needs more and more and more money.

The reason why the "peace process" isn't happen, I believe, is because China went to Russia, and Putin said "fuck off, the only way you're getting peace is if I win". This encourages China to support Russia to get it all over with.

 

[pknopp]

So the article is saying peace means more money for China and war means more money for the U.S.

And we are to take what from this?