He's just a selfish egoist allowing others to assume whatever risk there is to protect his family against disease without being prepared to accept that risk himself.
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Asclepias
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jon_berzerk
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i am for vaccinations because they work
my kids and grand kids all have had or will get them
i have met people who in this day and age
should not have had such terrible diseases such as polio
but have been stricken
sad really
jon_berzerk
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maybe you are dancing around the real issue
the question perhaps is
should parents be forced into vaccinating their children
C_Clayton_Jones
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What's remarkable about this is that the threat of disease facing our children comes not from a given disease but from the ignorance of those opposed to vaccines.
Is anyone disputing 'herd immunity'? Because he's taking advantage of it while undermining it.
Bill Angel
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At one time some people thought that the effort to introduce fluoride into municipal water supplies was the result of a "communist conspiracy": See Water fluoridation controversy - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Mertex
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The research must have been adequate because before, we had completely eradicated the disease in the United States.....now, thanks to some who "chose" not to vaccinate their kids, it has become a problem for many and caused the death of many.
The doctor who is responsible for a lot of the misinformation linking the measles vaccine to autism has been debunked and he is no longer able to practice medicine? The problem with people thinking they are doing the right thing by not vaccinating their kids is that they are making it possible for the disease to come back and even people who were vaccinated a long time ago are now susceptible to get the disease.
Wiki:
Andrew Jeremy Wakefield (born c. 1957) is a British former surgeon and medical researcher, known for his fraudulent 1998 research paper in support of the now-discredited claim that there is a link between the administration of the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine, and the appearance of autism and bowel disease.[1][2][3][4][5]
After the publication of the paper, other researchers were unable to reproduce Wakefield's findings or confirm his hypothesis of an association between the MMR vaccine and autism[6] or autism and gastrointestinal disease.[7] A 2004 investigation by Sunday Times reporter Brian Deer identified undisclosed financial conflicts of interest on Wakefield's part,[8] and most of his co-authors then withdrew their support for the study's interpretations.[9] The British General Medical Council (GMC) conducted an inquiry into allegations of misconduct against Wakefield and two former colleagues.[10] The investigation centred on Deer's numerous findings, including that children with autism were subjected to unnecessary invasive medical procedures,[11] such as colonoscopy and lumbar puncture, and that Wakefield acted without the required ethical approval from an institutional review board.
On 28 January 2010, a five-member statutory tribunal of the GMC found three dozen charges proved, including four counts of dishonesty and 12 counts involving the abuse of developmentally challenged children.[12]The panel ruled that Wakefield had "failed in his duties as a responsible consultant", acted both against the interests of his patients, and "dishonestly and irresponsibly" in his published research.[13][14][15] The Lancetimmediately and fully retracted his 1998 publication on the basis of the GMC's findings, noting that elements of the manuscript had been falsified.[16] The Lancet's editor-in-chief Richard Horton said the paper was "utterly false" and that the journal had been "deceived".[17] Three months later, Wakefield was struck off the Medical Register in May 2010, with a statement identifying deliberate falsification in The Lancet research,[18] and is barred from practising medicine in the UK.[19]
It would be fine if they didn't want to be vaccinated if they stayed away from other people their entire life, but it is not okay for them to demand their choice when they are creating problems for others, that is selfish.
This was the #1 reason given in a book about why not to vaccinate.....I wonder if they are scratching that reason out, now?
1a. Disease decline. Believe it or not, there isn't any convincing evidence through the statistics that vaccination reduced the death rate for any disease such as measles. So, where is the benefit? Measles deaths had declined by 99.4% before vaccination!
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Well, now we know that he is/was not right........we had completely eradicated the measles disease in the United States because the majority of people were getting the vaccine and creating "herd immunity" for those who hadn't......can he say the same thing now? The ones that have not been vaccinated are at greater risk of catching the disease and spreading it to others who have not been vaccinated, and even to those who were vaccinated a long time ago. The research was adequate enough to keep the disease away.....while the "not vaccinated" people are the ones at greater risk, today.
Roadrunner
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My best friend had polio.
only if they have any vaccines without Mercury
like all children will know which vaccine has Mercury or nor
The FDA has removed it from children's vaccines. Parents are the one's in charge, if they are in doubt, all they need to do is ask.
ok
and if parents ask and they are told the vaccines have Mercury
what next?
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Parents can refuse to have their children vaccinated and risk their children being paralized by polio, or dying a horrible suffocating death from whooping cough, or suffering brain damage from measles- just to name a few of the things that used to happen before there was vaccinations.
I am old enough to remember the victims of polio.
My family all has full vaccinations.
He has legs like toothpicks, and has been in pain since 1954.
Salk vaccine was one of the world's greatest inventions.
WinterBorn
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That is exactly what they are. They are stories. Not facts. Not research based on science. Not peer-reviewed papers. They are stories.
Flu shots are easy to dismiss. Measles, Mumps, Diphtheria, and other dangerous, contagious diseases have been almost wiped out. Now they are making a comeback because some idiots think a Google search is an acceptable substitute for a medical degree or a career in medical research.
This Is Why You Have No Business Challenging Scientific Experts Mother Jones
Asclepias
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Let me pose this question. If you get your kids vaccinated what is the problem if someone chooses not to vaccinate their children? Your kids should not be in danger after they are vaccinated correct?
WinterBorn
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There are people who are unable to be vaccinated due to medical conditions. This is not a problem if everyone gets vaccines. But it becomes a problem when more and more people ignore the scientific evidence and decide to not vaccinate their children.
Premature babies, even after they leave the hospital, cannot get the vaccines until they develop more. People undergoing certain types of chemo cannot get vaccines, so children with cancer and taking chemo can get measles or diphtheria.
Asclepias
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So can it be said that this is more about overcoming the effects of nature and ensuring the survival of as many people as possible for a small window of time?
WinterBorn
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No. It can be said that we, as a society, have discovered how to prevent contagious diseases. The prevention is safe and fairly inexpensive. And we, as a society, have decided that if you want to be a part of our society you have to have these vaccines if you are medically able.
Asclepias
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But we havent discovered how to prevent contagious diseases. Diseases are continually mutating. Some are coming out of left field as new diseases. Could we be on course to creating a super disease or multiple super diseases that there are no cures for simply because we are not developing with the diseases?
WinterBorn
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Yes we ARE preventing contagious diseases. Measles, diphtheria and other diseases once killed hundreds of thousands of people. Now they are relatively rare in places where vaccines are widely available.
Polio was the fear of every parent for decades. It killed thousands and left even more disabled for life. Widespread use of vaccines has almost eradicated it now.
If you want to discuss the effects of nature, the world is a harsh place with far fewer survivors. I do not see the value in that.
Asclepias
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I think the effect of nature is the whole point and not a valueless side topic. We arent preventing contagious diseases. We are only temporarily protecting people from known strains of some diseases. All the diseases you listed have the real potential of mutating and becoming an issue again possibly without us being able to create another temporary protection. Vaccinations are at best a temporary reprieve and could be a catalyst in the rise of super diseases. Just throwing that out there for thought.
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If I have a child under the age of 1 years old- your unvaccinated kids can infect my child and kill him.
If I have a child who has a compromised immune system- like this child- your unvaccinated kids can infect my kid and kill him
A Boy Who Had Cancer Faces Measles Risk From The Unvaccinated Shots - Health News NPR
The ongoing measles outbreak in California now stands at 92 cases.
The spread of the highly infectious disease has sparked a debate about people who voluntarily opt out of vaccines or decline to have their children vaccinated.
Many people have no choice. They can't be vaccinated for medical reasons. They rely on the people around them to be vaccinated to prevent the spread of infectious disease.
The Krawitt family in Marin County, Calif., is taking action to try to increase rates of vaccination in their community because 6-year-old Rhett can't be vaccinated.
"I got leukemia when I was 2," Rhett says. "It's a cancer of the blood, and you can die from it."
SHOTS - HEALTH NEWS
To Protect His Son, A Father Asks School To Bar Unvaccinated Children
After three years of chemotherapy, Rhett is in remission. Now there's a new threat: measles. In California, people can legally refuse vaccines for themselves and their children. Marin County has a high rate of these so-called personal belief exemptions. And that worries Rhett's father Carl.
As we first reported on Jan. 26, Carl is pleading with other parents: Please vaccinate your children, because people with compromised immune systems, including his son, can't be vaccinated.
In the past week, Carl Krawitt's efforts have gained national attention, part of a growing debate on the ethics and health consequences of parents refusing to vaccinate.
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