Cheney: Obama's "Second-Rate" Team

[ArmyCowboy]

At least Bush has the sense to keep his mouth shut, stay out of the limelight and enjoy his retirement.

Cheney has to keep running his mouth in some desperate attempt to defend his legacy, a legacy that will never been seen in a positive light.

 

[The Rabbi]

'second-rate' national security team



indeed

could they really have believed there were WMD ... after their first Iraqi War ?

and thought the second one would last only 3 weeks - Cheney and Rumsfeld.

Are you speaking about every European intelligence service? Because all of them beliieved there were WMDs. So did all the Democrats, until they jumped ship in the face of an unpopular war.

But Cheney is right. Obama has surrounded himself with people even less qualified than he is. And that's some kind of accomplishment. So State is run by someone with no foreign policy experience, other than visiting countries ina yacht. Defense by someone who never sat in a staff meeting. Treasury by someone with little to no background in economics or finance. And of course the spectacle of the Surgeon General being obese. That's just icing on the cake.

Baloney. German intel warned us about Curveball. Furthermore our own CIA knew he didn't have them and told President Bush too.

Bush knew Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction - Salon.com

On Sept. 18, 2002, CIA director George Tenet briefed President Bush in the Oval Office on top-secret intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction, according to two former senior CIA officers. Bush dismissed as worthless this information from the Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddam’s inner circle, although it turned out to be accurate in every detail. Tenet never brought it up again.

Nor was the intelligence included in the National Intelligence Estimate of October 2002, which stated categorically that Iraq possessed WMD. No one in Congress was aware of the secret intelligence that Saddam had no WMD as the House of Representatives and the Senate voted, a week after the submission of the NIE, on the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq.

Was that supposed to be a refutation of what I wrote? It isn't.
The British believed it. The Czechs believed it. The French believed it. The Democrats believed it.

 

[The Rabbi]

At least Bush has the sense to keep his mouth shut, stay out of the limelight and enjoy his retirement.

Cheney has to keep running his mouth in some desperate attempt to defend his legacy, a legacy that will never been seen in a positive light.

Incorrect, as the history of Truman's approval rating shows.
Presidential Approval for President Truman

 

[ArmyCowboy]

At least Bush has the sense to keep his mouth shut, stay out of the limelight and enjoy his retirement.

Cheney has to keep running his mouth in some desperate attempt to defend his legacy, a legacy that will never been seen in a positive light.

Incorrect, as the history of Truman's approval rating shows.
Presidential Approval for President Truman

So because Truman's approval rating improved after his presidency, this automatically means the same will happen for Bush?

 

[Sallow]

Are you speaking about every European intelligence service? Because all of them beliieved there were WMDs. So did all the Democrats, until they jumped ship in the face of an unpopular war.

But Cheney is right. Obama has surrounded himself with people even less qualified than he is. And that's some kind of accomplishment. So State is run by someone with no foreign policy experience, other than visiting countries ina yacht. Defense by someone who never sat in a staff meeting. Treasury by someone with little to no background in economics or finance. And of course the spectacle of the Surgeon General being obese. That's just icing on the cake.

Baloney. German intel warned us about Curveball. Furthermore our own CIA knew he didn't have them and told President Bush too.

Bush knew Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction - Salon.com

On Sept. 18, 2002, CIA director George Tenet briefed President Bush in the Oval Office on top-secret intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction, according to two former senior CIA officers. Bush dismissed as worthless this information from the Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddam’s inner circle, although it turned out to be accurate in every detail. Tenet never brought it up again.

Nor was the intelligence included in the National Intelligence Estimate of October 2002, which stated categorically that Iraq possessed WMD. No one in Congress was aware of the secret intelligence that Saddam had no WMD as the House of Representatives and the Senate voted, a week after the submission of the NIE, on the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq.

Was that supposed to be a refutation of what I wrote? It isn't.
The British believed it. The Czechs believed it. The French believed it. The Democrats believed it.

Only because Bush was selling it.

And you folks are now spreading blame.

Funnah!

 

[Sallow]

At least Bush has the sense to keep his mouth shut, stay out of the limelight and enjoy his retirement.

Cheney has to keep running his mouth in some desperate attempt to defend his legacy, a legacy that will never been seen in a positive light.

Incorrect, as the history of Truman's approval rating shows.
Presidential Approval for President Truman

So because Truman's approval rating improved after his presidency, this automatically means the same will happen for Bush?

The opposite will probably happen.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

Incorrect, as the history of Truman's approval rating shows.
Presidential Approval for President Truman

So because Truman's approval rating improved after his presidency, this automatically means the same will happen for Bush?

The opposite will probably happen.

Truman was the exception to the rule.

The vast majority of presidents whose terms were viewed negatively when the left office were continued to be viewed negatively by historians years later. This is true from presidents like Buchanon to Grant to Hoover to Nixon.

 

[BlindBoo]

Are you speaking about every European intelligence service? Because all of them beliieved there were WMDs. So did all the Democrats, until they jumped ship in the face of an unpopular war.

But Cheney is right. Obama has surrounded himself with people even less qualified than he is. And that's some kind of accomplishment. So State is run by someone with no foreign policy experience, other than visiting countries ina yacht. Defense by someone who never sat in a staff meeting. Treasury by someone with little to no background in economics or finance. And of course the spectacle of the Surgeon General being obese. That's just icing on the cake.

Baloney. German intel warned us about Curveball. Furthermore our own CIA knew he didn't have them and told President Bush too.

Bush knew Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction - Salon.com

On Sept. 18, 2002, CIA director George Tenet briefed President Bush in the Oval Office on top-secret intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction, according to two former senior CIA officers. Bush dismissed as worthless this information from the Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddam’s inner circle, although it turned out to be accurate in every detail. Tenet never brought it up again.

Nor was the intelligence included in the National Intelligence Estimate of October 2002, which stated categorically that Iraq possessed WMD. No one in Congress was aware of the secret intelligence that Saddam had no WMD as the House of Representatives and the Senate voted, a week after the submission of the NIE, on the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq.

Was that supposed to be a refutation of what I wrote? It isn't.
The British believed it. The Czechs believed it. The French believed it. The Democrats believed it.

Well to be honest the Brits knew the "Fix was in" If France believed it, why did they insist on SCR 1441 without a clause to use a military option?

 

[Bill Angel]

Cheney: Obama's "Second-Rate" Team

Cheney who???

The Prince of Evil?

Surely you know the man.

He's so evil he managed to live without a heart...for a while.

Then stole one when the time was right.

Zombie Heart Stealer

 

[Star]

What did they leave behind?
No Saddam Hussein. Relatively stable democracy in IRaq.
No Moammar Ghaddafi with nuclear program.
Al Qaeda leaders either dead or on the run
Programs and policies to deal with terrorists so good even Obama has adopted them wholesale.
What had been a strong alliance of counties united in fighting terrorism.

Yeah, big fail. I'd rather have a nuclear Iran, a nuclear North Korea threatening the U.S., a resurgent al Qaeda in Africa, disarray in U.S. alliances, and an Israel ready to give up on the U.S. relationship.
That is right before your eyes. If you'll see it.

Two hideous wars.

Trillions borrowed to blow on those wars.

Thousands of American soldiers dead or horribly and permanently damaged.

Thousands of American military families destroyed.

An economy in historic, abject meltdown.

If a President with a (D) after their name had left this behind, would you be saying the same thing?

No.

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Do you admit that Bush accomplished what I wrote, or was I making that up?

I wouldn't exactly characterize your mis-characterized list, as "accomplishments" (****-ups is more like it) but-----but mac1958 already handed you your ass on that list.
Did you forget that Bill Clinton started our now popular modern day Drone Program in 1998?


Poll: Americans Approve Of Targeted Killing Of American Terror Suspects | Mother Jones


By Adam Serwer Wed Feb. 8, 2012


Buried in the recently released Washington Post/ABC poll noting improving numbers for President Barack Obama are numbers showing that Americans are favorably disposed towards the use of targeted killing in counterterrorism operations, even if the targets are Americans.

Here are the poll results: Overall 83 percent of Americans approve of the use of "unmanned, 'drone' aircraft against terrorist suspects overseas," 59 percent strongly and 26 percent "somewhat." Of those who approve, 79 percent think the use of targeted killing against American citizens abroad who are suspected of terrorism is justified. The Washington Post's Greg Sargent, who takes a closer look at the internal numbers, finds that "Democrats approve of the drone strikes on American citizens by 58-33, and even liberals approve of them, 55-35." Whether as a result of partisan identification with the president or an artifact of the United States shifting to the right on counterterrorism policy in general, it doesn't seem likely that Obama will pay a high political price with his base for either the escalation of drone strikes since taking office or the use of drones to kill Americans abroad suspected of terrorism.


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Republicans have criticized Obama for his use of targeted killing and special operations forces—mostly on the grounds that more dead terror suspects means fewer of them to interrogate. But the poll numbers suggest widespread approval of Obama's approach to counterterrorism: Limited, covert, and with the collateral damage borne by individuals who remain far beyond the thoughts of most Americans.

Now that you know the Drone Program was started by Clinton and expanded by Obama, do you now hate the Drone Program?
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[The Rabbi]

So because Truman's approval rating improved after his presidency, this automatically means the same will happen for Bush?

The opposite will probably happen.

Truman was the exception to the rule.

The vast majority of presidents whose terms were viewed negatively when the left office were continued to be viewed negatively by historians years later. This is true from presidents like Buchanon to Grant to Hoover to Nixon.

So was FDR, whose approval rating has fluctuated between 48 and 72 percent.
Presidential Approval for President Roosevelt

Or Nixon, whose approval rate fluctuated between 24 and 67%.
Presidential Approval for President Nixon

Actually every president's approval rating fluctuates, and Bush's time will be remembered as a time of prosperity, low inflation, low unemployment. Especially compared to what went after.

 

[The Rabbi]

Two hideous wars.

Trillions borrowed to blow on those wars.

Thousands of American soldiers dead or horribly and permanently damaged.

Thousands of American military families destroyed.

An economy in historic, abject meltdown.

If a President with a (D) after their name had left this behind, would you be saying the same thing?

No.

.

Do you admit that Bush accomplished what I wrote, or was I making that up?

I wouldn't exactly characterize your mis-characterized list, as "accomplishments" (****-ups is more like it) but-----but mac1958 already handed you your ass on that list.
Did you forget that Bill Clinton started our now popular modern day Drone Program in 1998?


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So disarming Ghaddafi was a **** up? Really? Are you supportive of nuclear terrorist states?
And of course you deflect to something completely off topic, Bill Clinton, because you are an ignoramus who cannot debate.

 

[tjvh]

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Holy crap.

Dick Cheney blasts Obama's 'second-rate' national security team - Washington Times

After the mess that administration left behind, give Dubya credit: At least he has the good sense to keep his fuckin' mouth shut.

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Tell me again what Obama has done to fix anything in the last four years, except allow more people to collect Welfare, and Food Stamps? Was that the hope and change people were talking about in 2008?

 

[George Costanza]

“That part of the world is as dangerous now as it has ever been,” he said.

The consequence of a failed Bush administration foreign policy.

And as if the subjective opinions of a partisan, warmongering neo-con from a disgraced administration that left a disastrous foreign policy record has any merit.

You mean Bush, who took away Ghaddaffi's nuclear program and removed one of the worst tyrants in the middle east?
Or do you mean Obama's foreign policy, which has installed at least one new tyrant in the middle east and allowed Iran to continue their nuclear program?
Obama is the worst president ever.

Your opinion. Mine is totally different. What would YOU do with Iran? Invade them?

 

[The Rabbi]

The consequence of a failed Bush administration foreign policy.

And as if the subjective opinions of a partisan, warmongering neo-con from a disgraced administration that left a disastrous foreign policy record has any merit.

You mean Bush, who took away Ghaddaffi's nuclear program and removed one of the worst tyrants in the middle east?
Or do you mean Obama's foreign policy, which has installed at least one new tyrant in the middle east and allowed Iran to continue their nuclear program?
Obama is the worst president ever.

Your opinion. Mine is totally different. What would YOU do with Iran? Invade them?

What is my opinion? That Bush's policies caused Ghaddafi to give up his nukes? That Bush's policies unseated Saddam? I guess you could argue it was kismet or something. Go ahead.
My opinion on Iran is irrelevant to the discussion. But whatever it is Obama is doing isn't working. That's clear.

 

[BlindBoo]

The opposite will probably happen.

Truman was the exception to the rule.

The vast majority of presidents whose terms were viewed negatively when the left office were continued to be viewed negatively by historians years later. This is true from presidents like Buchanon to Grant to Hoover to Nixon.

So was FDR, whose approval rating has fluctuated between 48 and 72 percent.
Presidential Approval for President Roosevelt

Or Nixon, whose approval rate fluctuated between 24 and 67%.
Presidential Approval for President Nixon

Actually every president's approval rating fluctuates, and Bush's time will be remembered as a time of prosperity, low inflation, low unemployment. Especially compared to what went after.

Bull Puckey. President Bush will be remembered for 9-11, morphing(with the help of a compliant media) the emotions we all felt on that day into support for the strategically blunderous invasion of an oil rich Arab nation that was not involved in 9-11, tax cuts, and the Bush Recession.

 

[Mac1958]

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Holy crap.

Dick Cheney blasts Obama's 'second-rate' national security team - Washington Times

After the mess that administration left behind, give Dubya credit: At least he has the good sense to keep his fuckin' mouth shut.

.

Tell me again what Obama has done to fix anything in the last four years, except allow more people to collect Welfare, and Food Stamps? Was that the hope and change people were talking about in 2008?

 

[The Rabbi]

Truman was the exception to the rule.

The vast majority of presidents whose terms were viewed negatively when the left office were continued to be viewed negatively by historians years later. This is true from presidents like Buchanon to Grant to Hoover to Nixon.

So was FDR, whose approval rating has fluctuated between 48 and 72 percent.
Presidential Approval for President Roosevelt

Or Nixon, whose approval rate fluctuated between 24 and 67%.
Presidential Approval for President Nixon

Actually every president's approval rating fluctuates, and Bush's time will be remembered as a time of prosperity, low inflation, low unemployment. Especially compared to what went after.

Bull Puckey. President Bush will be remembered for 9-11, morphing(with the help of a compliant media) the emotions we all felt on that day into support for the strategically blunderous invasion of an oil rich Arab nation that was not involved in 9-11, tax cuts, and the Bush Recession.

You'll certainly remember it that way.
Others will point out Clinton's ineffective policies and how Bush changed them to make effective policy.

 

[Esmeralda]

Truman was the exception to the rule.

The vast majority of presidents whose terms were viewed negatively when the left office were continued to be viewed negatively by historians years later. This is true from presidents like Buchanon to Grant to Hoover to Nixon.

So was FDR, whose approval rating has fluctuated between 48 and 72 percent.
Presidential Approval for President Roosevelt

Or Nixon, whose approval rate fluctuated between 24 and 67%.
Presidential Approval for President Nixon

Actually every president's approval rating fluctuates, and Bush's time will be remembered as a time of prosperity, low inflation, low unemployment. Especially compared to what went after.

Bull Puckey. President Bush will be remembered for 9-11, morphing(with the help of a compliant media) the emotions we all felt on that day into support for the strategically blunderous invasion of an oil rich Arab nation that was not involved in 9-11, tax cuts, and the Bush Recession.

And international respect for America plummeting to an all time low.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

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Holy crap.

Dick Cheney blasts Obama's 'second-rate' national security team - Washington Times

After the mess that administration left behind, give Dubya credit: At least he has the good sense to keep his fuckin' mouth shut.

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Methinks Cheney needed a brain transplant too. Cheney is the most narcissistic, arrogant and meddlesome former official ever.

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