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If the murder of George Floyd was an example of systemic racism as most of the News Entertainment Media says then why wasn’t Derek Chauvin charged with a hate crime or violation of civil rights?

Is it possible that Chauvin was just a bad cop?

Prosecution did a good job of limiting the charges to what they knew they could prove. Maybe he didn't have a social media posting history or US Message board posting history, showing racist remarks. Does not mean it was or wasn't, but by sticking to the easily proved, it was a slam dunk. Over charging and under delivering will sometimes piss a jury off and mess up the whole outcome.
Is it possible he was a bad cop but not a racist?
Anything’s possible.

It’s possible that you aren’t a racist asshole, but not likely given your posts
OK give me one example of me being a racist via my posts.
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this user just accused me of being a racist. If you agree and can find posts to substantiate that claim please ban me forever.

How is that Lesh? Fair? I ll put my status on this site on the line. Find a post that shows I am a racist and I will be banned.

I don't think you are a racist, haven't seen it....you're just an ass sometimes :lol:

(imo ;) )

The problem is, like with so many of these discussions - once you start accusing each other of being racist (or any other ists) - the discussion degenerates rapidly into something resembling Jr. High.

So how about we all go back to this question - a good one.

"Is it possible he's a bad cop - not a racist"

Of course it is. But, I'll add - I haven't researched it, I don't know what his attitudes and such towards blacks are. I don't know what the complaints on him were about. He and Floyd apparently worked for a private security company at the same time. What were those interactions like? He is without question a bad cop. And there are without question bad cops who are also racist.
Call me what you like. I am an Ass. Racist? NFW. Chauvin is a dick but racist? Idk his wife was Asian

I think a lot of what is called racism is more subtle, subconscious. I am not sure it should be called racism. I see plenty of blatant racism on threads here. But what is more common are subtle things like what happened to Steven Locke.

Or the NYC woman who called in the complaint about the black bird watcher who told her to leash her dog, who maybe never thought of herself as a racist but had no clue what her false complaint could have led to.

Or...the white woman that confronted a black man in her very upper class urban neighborhood carefully painting a black lives matter sign on a stone wall in front of the house. It happened to be his house but she couldn't conceive of the idea a black person would live there.
I agree but stereotyping isn’t racism

It can be - it kind of depends on how you stereotype some is benign, some malign, some just offensive. It also depends on the intent behind it.

For example the stereotype that African Americans are low-IQ. It's a stereotype that is based in the pre-abolition arguments for justifying slavery, racial stratification, etc.
Low IQ means you consider them to be beneath you and that is racism. But if you stereotype them as great athletes it’s not. If you stereotype Jews as a smart it’s not even if you stereotype Jews as poor athletes it’s not because it’s mostly true.
 
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If the murder of George Floyd was an example of systemic racism as most of the News Entertainment Media says then why wasn’t Derek Chauvin charged with a hate crime or violation of civil rights?

Is it possible that Chauvin was just a bad cop?

Prosecution did a good job of limiting the charges to what they knew they could prove. Maybe he didn't have a social media posting history or US Message board posting history, showing racist remarks. Does not mean it was or wasn't, but by sticking to the easily proved, it was a slam dunk. Over charging and under delivering will sometimes piss a jury off and mess up the whole outcome.
Is it possible he was a bad cop but not a racist?
Anything’s possible.

It’s possible that you aren’t a racist asshole, but not likely given your posts
OK give me one example of me being a racist via my posts.
Coyote
WillHaftawaite
Meister
this user just accused me of being a racist. If you agree and can find posts to substantiate that claim please ban me forever.

How is that Lesh? Fair? I ll put my status on this site on the line. Find a post that shows I am a racist and I will be banned.

I don't think you are a racist, haven't seen it....you're just an ass sometimes :lol:

(imo ;) )

The problem is, like with so many of these discussions - once you start accusing each other of being racist (or any other ists) - the discussion degenerates rapidly into something resembling Jr. High.

So how about we all go back to this question - a good one.

"Is it possible he's a bad cop - not a racist"

Of course it is. But, I'll add - I haven't researched it, I don't know what his attitudes and such towards blacks are. I don't know what the complaints on him were about. He and Floyd apparently worked for a private security company at the same time. What were those interactions like? He is without question a bad cop. And there are without question bad cops who are also racist.
She's right dude, not a racist but sometimes an A-hole. But seriously, it's is part of your charm and always has been. :thup:
I wear that with a badge of honor. 100% A hole and 100% instigator. But never a racist. I hate Racists.
 
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If the murder of George Floyd was an example of systemic racism as most of the News Entertainment Media says then why wasn’t Derek Chauvin charged with a hate crime or violation of civil rights?

Is it possible that Chauvin was just a bad cop?

Prosecution did a good job of limiting the charges to what they knew they could prove. Maybe he didn't have a social media posting history or US Message board posting history, showing racist remarks. Does not mean it was or wasn't, but by sticking to the easily proved, it was a slam dunk. Over charging and under delivering will sometimes piss a jury off and mess up the whole outcome.
Is it possible he was a bad cop but not a racist?
Anything’s possible.

It’s possible that you aren’t a racist asshole, but not likely given your posts
OK give me one example of me being a racist via my posts.
Coyote
WillHaftawaite
Meister
this user just accused me of being a racist. If you agree and can find posts to substantiate that claim please ban me forever.

How is that Lesh? Fair? I ll put my status on this site on the line. Find a post that shows I am a racist and I will be banned.

I don't think you are a racist, haven't seen it....you're just an ass sometimes :lol:

(imo ;) )

The problem is, like with so many of these discussions - once you start accusing each other of being racist (or any other ists) - the discussion degenerates rapidly into something resembling Jr. High.

So how about we all go back to this question - a good one.

"Is it possible he's a bad cop - not a racist"

Of course it is. But, I'll add - I haven't researched it, I don't know what his attitudes and such towards blacks are. I don't know what the complaints on him were about. He and Floyd apparently worked for a private security company at the same time. What were those interactions like? He is without question a bad cop. And there are without question bad cops who are also racist.
Call me what you like. I am an Ass. Racist? NFW. Chauvin is a dick but racist? Idk his wife was Asian

I think a lot of what is called racism is more subtle, subconscious. I am not sure it should be called racism. I see plenty of blatant racism on threads here. But what is more common are subtle things like what happened to Steven Locke.

Or the NYC woman who called in the complaint about the black bird watcher who told her to leash her dog, who maybe never thought of herself as a racist but had no clue what her false complaint could have led to.

Or...the white woman that confronted a black man in her very upper class urban neighborhood carefully painting a black lives matter sign on a stone wall in front of the house. It happened to be his house but she couldn't conceive of the idea a black person would live there.
I agree but stereotyping isn’t racism
Can be.
Can be but not always. It is part of human nature.
 

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If the murder of George Floyd was an example of systemic racism as most of the News Entertainment Media says then why wasn’t Derek Chauvin charged with a hate crime or violation of civil rights?

Is it possible that Chauvin was just a bad cop?

Prosecution did a good job of limiting the charges to what they knew they could prove. Maybe he didn't have a social media posting history or US Message board posting history, showing racist remarks. Does not mean it was or wasn't, but by sticking to the easily proved, it was a slam dunk. Over charging and under delivering will sometimes piss a jury off and mess up the whole outcome.
Is it possible he was a bad cop but not a racist?
Anything’s possible.

It’s possible that you aren’t a racist asshole, but not likely given your posts
OK give me one example of me being a racist via my posts.
Coyote
WillHaftawaite
Meister
this user just accused me of being a racist. If you agree and can find posts to substantiate that claim please ban me forever.

How is that Lesh? Fair? I ll put my status on this site on the line. Find a post that shows I am a racist and I will be banned.

I don't think you are a racist, haven't seen it....you're just an ass sometimes :lol:

(imo ;) )

The problem is, like with so many of these discussions - once you start accusing each other of being racist (or any other ists) - the discussion degenerates rapidly into something resembling Jr. High.

So how about we all go back to this question - a good one.

"Is it possible he's a bad cop - not a racist"

Of course it is. But, I'll add - I haven't researched it, I don't know what his attitudes and such towards blacks are. I don't know what the complaints on him were about. He and Floyd apparently worked for a private security company at the same time. What were those interactions like? He is without question a bad cop. And there are without question bad cops who are also racist.
She's right dude, not a racist but sometimes an A-hole. But seriously, it's is part of your charm and always has been. :thup:
I wear that with a badge of honor. 100% A hole and 100% instigator. But never a racist. I hate Racists.
Go for it Mighty Jew. You're alright with me, even when we disagree.
 

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You voted for Biden who says America is systematically racist. You admitted it. Checkmate, leftist.

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

I still haven’t even mentioned anything about systemic racism.
But the person you voted for ran on it, leftist.

Truth over Facts
If the murder of George Floyd was an example of systemic racism as most of the News Entertainment Media says then why wasn’t Derek Chauvin charged with a hate crime or violation of civil rights?

Is it possible that Chauvin was just a bad cop?

Prosecution did a good job of limiting the charges to what they knew they could prove. Maybe he didn't have a social media posting history or US Message board posting history, showing racist remarks. Does not mean it was or wasn't, but by sticking to the easily proved, it was a slam dunk. Over charging and under delivering will sometimes piss a jury off and mess up the whole outcome.
Is it possible he was a bad cop but not a racist?
Anything’s possible.

It’s possible that you aren’t a racist asshole, but not likely given your posts
OK give me one example of me being a racist via my posts.
Coyote
WillHaftawaite
Meister
this user just accused me of being a racist. If you agree and can find posts to substantiate that claim please ban me forever.

How is that Lesh? Fair? I ll put my status on this site on the line. Find a post that shows I am a racist and I will be banned.

I don't think you are a racist, haven't seen it....you're just an ass sometimes :lol:

(imo ;) )

The problem is, like with so many of these discussions - once you start accusing each other of being racist (or any other ists) - the discussion degenerates rapidly into something resembling Jr. High.

So how about we all go back to this question - a good one.

"Is it possible he's a bad cop - not a racist"

Of course it is. But, I'll add - I haven't researched it, I don't know what his attitudes and such towards blacks are. I don't know what the complaints on him were about. He and Floyd apparently worked for a private security company at the same time. What were those interactions like? He is without question a bad cop. And there are without question bad cops who are also racist.
Call me what you like. I am an Ass. Racist? NFW. Chauvin is a dick but racist? Idk his wife was Asian

I think a lot of what is called racism is more subtle, subconscious. I am not sure it should be called racism. I see plenty of blatant racism on threads here. But what is more common are subtle things like what happened to Steven Locke.

Or the NYC woman who called in the complaint about the black bird watcher who told her to leash her dog, who maybe never thought of herself as a racist but had no clue what her false complaint could have led to.

Or...the white woman that confronted a black man in her very upper class urban neighborhood carefully painting a black lives matter sign on a stone wall in front of the house. It happened to be his house but she couldn't conceive of the idea a black person would live there.
To me, those examples do not fall under the term subliminal, as are to overt, especially coupled with action. The fact that those people never critically self examined does not make it subliminal, nor get them off the hook for being outright, overt racist in word and deed. Deed being a better indicator. Misguided, acts lacking self discipline, due to supposed self empowerment is what got them into trouble.
There are other examples where it isn't so clear and maybe the problem is we need new terms. Racism, is a very charged and ugly accusation because the act is very ugly and and a dark part of our country's history and present.

One example: the housing market.
Claim: when blacks move in, home values go down...leading to the (imo racist) claim that black people destroy neighborhoods).

But supporters of that view will show data on home prices that support their view.

If you start to ask questions though....

Q. Who determines the value?
The buyers, the market.

By far the vast majority of home ownership is in white hands both because of population and because they are much more to be able to buy a home (and low black home ownership has some racist roots).

Where whites CHOOSE to live sets the housing values. When they leave, the values go down, rentals increase. Black home buyers dont drive it down, white flight does.

Is it racism? And this where I find the concept of systemic racism problematic. There are systems in place that have their roots in racist laws and practices now illegal. But the results of those laws and practices still remain and are unconsciously perpetrated. Is the issue truly systemic racism or entrenched inequality?
 

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You voted for Biden who says America is systematically racist. You admitted it. Checkmate, leftist.

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

I still haven’t even mentioned anything about systemic racism.
But the person you voted for ran on it, leftist.

Truth over Facts
If the murder of George Floyd was an example of systemic racism as most of the News Entertainment Media says then why wasn’t Derek Chauvin charged with a hate crime or violation of civil rights?

Is it possible that Chauvin was just a bad cop?

Prosecution did a good job of limiting the charges to what they knew they could prove. Maybe he didn't have a social media posting history or US Message board posting history, showing racist remarks. Does not mean it was or wasn't, but by sticking to the easily proved, it was a slam dunk. Over charging and under delivering will sometimes piss a jury off and mess up the whole outcome.
Is it possible he was a bad cop but not a racist?
Anything’s possible.

It’s possible that you aren’t a racist asshole, but not likely given your posts
OK give me one example of me being a racist via my posts.
Coyote
WillHaftawaite
Meister
this user just accused me of being a racist. If you agree and can find posts to substantiate that claim please ban me forever.

How is that Lesh? Fair? I ll put my status on this site on the line. Find a post that shows I am a racist and I will be banned.

I don't think you are a racist, haven't seen it....you're just an ass sometimes :lol:

(imo ;) )

The problem is, like with so many of these discussions - once you start accusing each other of being racist (or any other ists) - the discussion degenerates rapidly into something resembling Jr. High.

So how about we all go back to this question - a good one.

"Is it possible he's a bad cop - not a racist"

Of course it is. But, I'll add - I haven't researched it, I don't know what his attitudes and such towards blacks are. I don't know what the complaints on him were about. He and Floyd apparently worked for a private security company at the same time. What were those interactions like? He is without question a bad cop. And there are without question bad cops who are also racist.
Call me what you like. I am an Ass. Racist? NFW. Chauvin is a dick but racist? Idk his wife was Asian

I think a lot of what is called racism is more subtle, subconscious. I am not sure it should be called racism. I see plenty of blatant racism on threads here. But what is more common are subtle things like what happened to Steven Locke.

Or the NYC woman who called in the complaint about the black bird watcher who told her to leash her dog, who maybe never thought of herself as a racist but had no clue what her false complaint could have led to.

Or...the white woman that confronted a black man in her very upper class urban neighborhood carefully painting a black lives matter sign on a stone wall in front of the house. It happened to be his house but she couldn't conceive of the idea a black person would live there.
To me, those examples do not fall under the term subliminal, as are to overt, especially coupled with action. The fact that those people never critically self examined does not make it subliminal, nor get them off the hook for being outright, overt racist in word and deed. Deed being a better indicator. Misguided, acts lacking self discipline, due to supposed self empowerment is what got them into trouble.
There are other examples where it isn't so clear and maybe the problem is we need new terms. Racism, is a very charged and ugly accusation because the act is very ugly and and a dark part of our country's history and present.

One example: the housing market.
Claim: when blacks move in, home values go down...leading to the (imo racist) claim that black people destroy neighborhoods).

But supporters of that view will show data on home prices that support their view.

If you start to ask questions though....

Q. Who determines the value?
The buyers, the market.

By far the vast majority of home ownership is in white hands both because of population and because they are much more to be able to buy a home (and low black home ownership has some racist roots).

Where whites CHOOSE to live sets the housing values. When they leave, the values go down, rentals increase. Black home buyers dont drive it down, white flight does.

Is it racism? And this where I find the concept of systemic racism problematic. There are systems in place that have their roots in racist laws and practices now illegal. But the results of those laws and practices still remain and are unconsciously perpetrated. Is the issue truly systemic racism or entrenched inequality?
I lived in George Floyd's neighborhood 45 years ago when it was predominantly white. Nice place. Now it looks like a dump, crime, drugs, mostly Black and Muslim. If you can't see the problem, then you're in denial.
 
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You voted for Biden who says America is systematically racist. You admitted it. Checkmate, leftist.

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

I still haven’t even mentioned anything about systemic racism.
But the person you voted for ran on it, leftist.

Truth over Facts
If the murder of George Floyd was an example of systemic racism as most of the News Entertainment Media says then why wasn’t Derek Chauvin charged with a hate crime or violation of civil rights?

Is it possible that Chauvin was just a bad cop?

Prosecution did a good job of limiting the charges to what they knew they could prove. Maybe he didn't have a social media posting history or US Message board posting history, showing racist remarks. Does not mean it was or wasn't, but by sticking to the easily proved, it was a slam dunk. Over charging and under delivering will sometimes piss a jury off and mess up the whole outcome.
Is it possible he was a bad cop but not a racist?
Anything’s possible.

It’s possible that you aren’t a racist asshole, but not likely given your posts
OK give me one example of me being a racist via my posts.
Coyote
WillHaftawaite
Meister
this user just accused me of being a racist. If you agree and can find posts to substantiate that claim please ban me forever.

How is that Lesh? Fair? I ll put my status on this site on the line. Find a post that shows I am a racist and I will be banned.

I don't think you are a racist, haven't seen it....you're just an ass sometimes :lol:

(imo ;) )

The problem is, like with so many of these discussions - once you start accusing each other of being racist (or any other ists) - the discussion degenerates rapidly into something resembling Jr. High.

So how about we all go back to this question - a good one.

"Is it possible he's a bad cop - not a racist"

Of course it is. But, I'll add - I haven't researched it, I don't know what his attitudes and such towards blacks are. I don't know what the complaints on him were about. He and Floyd apparently worked for a private security company at the same time. What were those interactions like? He is without question a bad cop. And there are without question bad cops who are also racist.
Call me what you like. I am an Ass. Racist? NFW. Chauvin is a dick but racist? Idk his wife was Asian

I think a lot of what is called racism is more subtle, subconscious. I am not sure it should be called racism. I see plenty of blatant racism on threads here. But what is more common are subtle things like what happened to Steven Locke.

Or the NYC woman who called in the complaint about the black bird watcher who told her to leash her dog, who maybe never thought of herself as a racist but had no clue what her false complaint could have led to.

Or...the white woman that confronted a black man in her very upper class urban neighborhood carefully painting a black lives matter sign on a stone wall in front of the house. It happened to be his house but she couldn't conceive of the idea a black person would live there.
To me, those examples do not fall under the term subliminal, as are to overt, especially coupled with action. The fact that those people never critically self examined does not make it subliminal, nor get them off the hook for being outright, overt racist in word and deed. Deed being a better indicator. Misguided, acts lacking self discipline, due to supposed self empowerment is what got them into trouble.
There are other examples where it isn't so clear and maybe the problem is we need new terms. Racism, is a very charged and ugly accusation because the act is very ugly and and a dark part of our country's history and present.

One example: the housing market.
Claim: when blacks move in, home values go down...leading to the (imo racist) claim that black people destroy neighborhoods).

But supporters of that view will show data on home prices that support their view.

If you start to ask questions though....

Q. Who determines the value?
The buyers, the market.

By far the vast majority of home ownership is in white hands both because of population and because they are much more to be able to buy a home (and low black home ownership has some racist roots).

Where whites CHOOSE to live sets the housing values. When they leave, the values go down, rentals increase. Black home buyers dont drive it down, white flight does.

Is it racism? And this where I find the concept of systemic racism problematic. There are systems in place that have their roots in racist laws and practices now illegal. But the results of those laws and practices still remain and are unconsciously perpetrated. Is the issue truly systemic racism or entrenched inequality?
Blacks driving home prices down is due to the media portraying blacks as criminals. 100% their fault.
 
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You voted for Biden who says America is systematically racist. You admitted it. Checkmate, leftist.

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

I still haven’t even mentioned anything about systemic racism.
But the person you voted for ran on it, leftist.

Truth over Facts
If the murder of George Floyd was an example of systemic racism as most of the News Entertainment Media says then why wasn’t Derek Chauvin charged with a hate crime or violation of civil rights?

Is it possible that Chauvin was just a bad cop?

Prosecution did a good job of limiting the charges to what they knew they could prove. Maybe he didn't have a social media posting history or US Message board posting history, showing racist remarks. Does not mean it was or wasn't, but by sticking to the easily proved, it was a slam dunk. Over charging and under delivering will sometimes piss a jury off and mess up the whole outcome.
Is it possible he was a bad cop but not a racist?
Anything’s possible.

It’s possible that you aren’t a racist asshole, but not likely given your posts
OK give me one example of me being a racist via my posts.
Coyote
WillHaftawaite
Meister
this user just accused me of being a racist. If you agree and can find posts to substantiate that claim please ban me forever.

How is that Lesh? Fair? I ll put my status on this site on the line. Find a post that shows I am a racist and I will be banned.

I don't think you are a racist, haven't seen it....you're just an ass sometimes :lol:

(imo ;) )

The problem is, like with so many of these discussions - once you start accusing each other of being racist (or any other ists) - the discussion degenerates rapidly into something resembling Jr. High.

So how about we all go back to this question - a good one.

"Is it possible he's a bad cop - not a racist"

Of course it is. But, I'll add - I haven't researched it, I don't know what his attitudes and such towards blacks are. I don't know what the complaints on him were about. He and Floyd apparently worked for a private security company at the same time. What were those interactions like? He is without question a bad cop. And there are without question bad cops who are also racist.
Call me what you like. I am an Ass. Racist? NFW. Chauvin is a dick but racist? Idk his wife was Asian

I think a lot of what is called racism is more subtle, subconscious. I am not sure it should be called racism. I see plenty of blatant racism on threads here. But what is more common are subtle things like what happened to Steven Locke.

Or the NYC woman who called in the complaint about the black bird watcher who told her to leash her dog, who maybe never thought of herself as a racist but had no clue what her false complaint could have led to.

Or...the white woman that confronted a black man in her very upper class urban neighborhood carefully painting a black lives matter sign on a stone wall in front of the house. It happened to be his house but she couldn't conceive of the idea a black person would live there.
To me, those examples do not fall under the term subliminal, as are to overt, especially coupled with action. The fact that those people never critically self examined does not make it subliminal, nor get them off the hook for being outright, overt racist in word and deed. Deed being a better indicator. Misguided, acts lacking self discipline, due to supposed self empowerment is what got them into trouble.
There are other examples where it isn't so clear and maybe the problem is we need new terms. Racism, is a very charged and ugly accusation because the act is very ugly and and a dark part of our country's history and present.

One example: the housing market.
Claim: when blacks move in, home values go down...leading to the (imo racist) claim that black people destroy neighborhoods).

But supporters of that view will show data on home prices that support their view.

If you start to ask questions though....

Q. Who determines the value?
The buyers, the market.

By far the vast majority of home ownership is in white hands both because of population and because they are much more to be able to buy a home (and low black home ownership has some racist roots).

Where whites CHOOSE to live sets the housing values. When they leave, the values go down, rentals increase. Black home buyers dont drive it down, white flight does.

Is it racism? And this where I find the concept of systemic racism problematic. There are systems in place that have their roots in racist laws and practices now illegal. But the results of those laws and practices still remain and are unconsciously perpetrated. Is the issue truly systemic racism or entrenched inequality?
I lived in George Floyd's neighborhood 45 years ago when it was predominantly white. Nice place. Now it looks like a dump, crime, drugs, mostly Black and Muslim. If you can't see the problem, then you're in denial.
It’s cause the people who moved in are poor not cause they are black. Muslims? Eeeesh. Tough
 

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You voted for Biden who says America is systematically racist. You admitted it. Checkmate, leftist.

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

I still haven’t even mentioned anything about systemic racism.
But the person you voted for ran on it, leftist.

Truth over Facts
If the murder of George Floyd was an example of systemic racism as most of the News Entertainment Media says then why wasn’t Derek Chauvin charged with a hate crime or violation of civil rights?

Is it possible that Chauvin was just a bad cop?

Prosecution did a good job of limiting the charges to what they knew they could prove. Maybe he didn't have a social media posting history or US Message board posting history, showing racist remarks. Does not mean it was or wasn't, but by sticking to the easily proved, it was a slam dunk. Over charging and under delivering will sometimes piss a jury off and mess up the whole outcome.
Is it possible he was a bad cop but not a racist?
Anything’s possible.

It’s possible that you aren’t a racist asshole, but not likely given your posts
OK give me one example of me being a racist via my posts.
Coyote
WillHaftawaite
Meister
this user just accused me of being a racist. If you agree and can find posts to substantiate that claim please ban me forever.

How is that Lesh? Fair? I ll put my status on this site on the line. Find a post that shows I am a racist and I will be banned.

I don't think you are a racist, haven't seen it....you're just an ass sometimes :lol:

(imo ;) )

The problem is, like with so many of these discussions - once you start accusing each other of being racist (or any other ists) - the discussion degenerates rapidly into something resembling Jr. High.

So how about we all go back to this question - a good one.

"Is it possible he's a bad cop - not a racist"

Of course it is. But, I'll add - I haven't researched it, I don't know what his attitudes and such towards blacks are. I don't know what the complaints on him were about. He and Floyd apparently worked for a private security company at the same time. What were those interactions like? He is without question a bad cop. And there are without question bad cops who are also racist.
Call me what you like. I am an Ass. Racist? NFW. Chauvin is a dick but racist? Idk his wife was Asian

I think a lot of what is called racism is more subtle, subconscious. I am not sure it should be called racism. I see plenty of blatant racism on threads here. But what is more common are subtle things like what happened to Steven Locke.

Or the NYC woman who called in the complaint about the black bird watcher who told her to leash her dog, who maybe never thought of herself as a racist but had no clue what her false complaint could have led to.

Or...the white woman that confronted a black man in her very upper class urban neighborhood carefully painting a black lives matter sign on a stone wall in front of the house. It happened to be his house but she couldn't conceive of the idea a black person would live there.
To me, those examples do not fall under the term subliminal, as are to overt, especially coupled with action. The fact that those people never critically self examined does not make it subliminal, nor get them off the hook for being outright, overt racist in word and deed. Deed being a better indicator. Misguided, acts lacking self discipline, due to supposed self empowerment is what got them into trouble.
There are other examples where it isn't so clear and maybe the problem is we need new terms. Racism, is a very charged and ugly accusation because the act is very ugly and and a dark part of our country's history and present.

One example: the housing market.
Claim: when blacks move in, home values go down...leading to the (imo racist) claim that black people destroy neighborhoods).

But supporters of that view will show data on home prices that support their view.

If you start to ask questions though....

Q. Who determines the value?
The buyers, the market.

By far the vast majority of home ownership is in white hands both because of population and because they are much more to be able to buy a home (and low black home ownership has some racist roots).

Where whites CHOOSE to live sets the housing values. When they leave, the values go down, rentals increase. Black home buyers dont drive it down, white flight does.

Is it racism? And this where I find the concept of systemic racism problematic. There are systems in place that have their roots in racist laws and practices now illegal. But the results of those laws and practices still remain and are unconsciously perpetrated. Is the issue truly systemic racism or entrenched inequality?
I lived in George Floyd's neighborhood 45 years ago when it was predominantly white. Nice place. Now it looks like a dump, crime, drugs, mostly Black and Muslim. If you can't see the problem, then you're in denial.
It’s cause the people who moved in are poor not cause they are black. Muslims? Eeeesh. Tough
Somali muslims are trash.
 
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You voted for Biden who says America is systematically racist. You admitted it. Checkmate, leftist.

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

I still haven’t even mentioned anything about systemic racism.
But the person you voted for ran on it, leftist.

Truth over Facts
If the murder of George Floyd was an example of systemic racism as most of the News Entertainment Media says then why wasn’t Derek Chauvin charged with a hate crime or violation of civil rights?

Is it possible that Chauvin was just a bad cop?

Prosecution did a good job of limiting the charges to what they knew they could prove. Maybe he didn't have a social media posting history or US Message board posting history, showing racist remarks. Does not mean it was or wasn't, but by sticking to the easily proved, it was a slam dunk. Over charging and under delivering will sometimes piss a jury off and mess up the whole outcome.
Is it possible he was a bad cop but not a racist?
Anything’s possible.

It’s possible that you aren’t a racist asshole, but not likely given your posts
OK give me one example of me being a racist via my posts.
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this user just accused me of being a racist. If you agree and can find posts to substantiate that claim please ban me forever.

How is that Lesh? Fair? I ll put my status on this site on the line. Find a post that shows I am a racist and I will be banned.

I don't think you are a racist, haven't seen it....you're just an ass sometimes :lol:

(imo ;) )

The problem is, like with so many of these discussions - once you start accusing each other of being racist (or any other ists) - the discussion degenerates rapidly into something resembling Jr. High.

So how about we all go back to this question - a good one.

"Is it possible he's a bad cop - not a racist"

Of course it is. But, I'll add - I haven't researched it, I don't know what his attitudes and such towards blacks are. I don't know what the complaints on him were about. He and Floyd apparently worked for a private security company at the same time. What were those interactions like? He is without question a bad cop. And there are without question bad cops who are also racist.
Call me what you like. I am an Ass. Racist? NFW. Chauvin is a dick but racist? Idk his wife was Asian

I think a lot of what is called racism is more subtle, subconscious. I am not sure it should be called racism. I see plenty of blatant racism on threads here. But what is more common are subtle things like what happened to Steven Locke.

Or the NYC woman who called in the complaint about the black bird watcher who told her to leash her dog, who maybe never thought of herself as a racist but had no clue what her false complaint could have led to.

Or...the white woman that confronted a black man in her very upper class urban neighborhood carefully painting a black lives matter sign on a stone wall in front of the house. It happened to be his house but she couldn't conceive of the idea a black person would live there.
To me, those examples do not fall under the term subliminal, as are to overt, especially coupled with action. The fact that those people never critically self examined does not make it subliminal, nor get them off the hook for being outright, overt racist in word and deed. Deed being a better indicator. Misguided, acts lacking self discipline, due to supposed self empowerment is what got them into trouble.
There are other examples where it isn't so clear and maybe the problem is we need new terms. Racism, is a very charged and ugly accusation because the act is very ugly and and a dark part of our country's history and present.

One example: the housing market.
Claim: when blacks move in, home values go down...leading to the (imo racist) claim that black people destroy neighborhoods).

But supporters of that view will show data on home prices that support their view.

If you start to ask questions though....

Q. Who determines the value?
The buyers, the market.

By far the vast majority of home ownership is in white hands both because of population and because they are much more to be able to buy a home (and low black home ownership has some racist roots).

Where whites CHOOSE to live sets the housing values. When they leave, the values go down, rentals increase. Black home buyers dont drive it down, white flight does.

Is it racism? And this where I find the concept of systemic racism problematic. There are systems in place that have their roots in racist laws and practices now illegal. But the results of those laws and practices still remain and are unconsciously perpetrated. Is the issue truly systemic racism or entrenched inequality?
I lived in George Floyd's neighborhood 45 years ago when it was predominantly white. Nice place. Now it looks like a dump, crime, drugs, mostly Black and Muslim. If you can't see the problem, then you're in denial.
It’s cause the people who moved in are poor not cause they are black. Muslims? Eeeesh. Tough
Somali muslims are trash.
That ideology in general is at best problematic
 

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