Change Nobody Believes In

[Midnight Marauder]

Too bad the Republicans set-out to obstruct the Democratic Congress. None of that would have happened.

You seem to believe this mindless pissant partisan pablum hasn't been posted here hundreds of times and thoroughly shredded and refuted just as many times.

Get yourself some original material to regurgitate. This stale stuff just makes you appear to be a mindless tool.

 

[mudwhistle]

WSJ blasts the lie that is Obamacare...

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Change Nobody Believes In
A bill so reckless that it has to be rammed through on a partisan vote on Christmas eve.


And tidings of comfort and joy from Harry Reid too. The Senate Majority Leader has decided that the last few days before Christmas are the opportune moment for a narrow majority of Democrats to stuff ObamaCare through the Senate to meet an arbitrary White House deadline. Barring some extraordinary reversal, it now seems as if they have the 60 votes they need to jump off this cliff, with one-seventh of the economy in tow.

Mr. Obama promised a new era of transparent good government, yet on Saturday morning Mr. Reid threw out the 2,100-page bill that the world's greatest deliberative body spent just 17 days debating and replaced it with a new "manager's amendment" that was stapled together in covert partisan negotiations. Democrats are barely even bothering to pretend to care what's in it, not that any Senator had the chance to digest it in the 38 hours before the first cloture vote at 1 a.m. this morning. After procedural motions that allow for no amendments, the final vote could come at 9 p.m. on December 24.

Even in World War I there was a Christmas truce.

The rushed, secretive way that a bill this destructive and unpopular is being forced on the country shows that "reform" has devolved into the raw exercise of political power for the single purpose of permanently expanding the American entitlement state.



Rest of article here:


A Reckless Health Care Bill That Nobody Believes In - WSJ.com

I guess they lied....what else is new.

 

[midcan5]

The WSJ opinion page is reactionary bunkum of the highest degree. Almost every president since Teddy Roosevelt recognized the need for healthcare in America.

Exceptions were Reagan and the Bushs.

After defeating President Clinton's attempt to improve healthcare for all Americans, the republicans did nothing. They will do nothing again. Nothing. Allow me one more NOTHING.

In a real sense our government already manages healthcare through regulatory structure. Would you go to any quack or unlicensed doctor?

Do we as concerned citizens want corporations, the AMA, the insurance companies, and the hospitals having total control over healthcare choices? Citizens, average working people sure don't. So yes, we need more competition even if it is government pulling some strings to help all Americans.

What loss of personal liberty is there if everyone can easily obtain healthcare. Not having it is a real loss of freedom and liberty.

If freedom means anything, it means freedom from fear that an illness will destroy your savings and your life. If freedom means anything it means options that you make, not insurers whose motive is profit. To some your death is cheaper than your care - For republicans corporate profits come before your life.

In the corporate world competition is actually agreement among the plutocracy or economic oligarchy. Choice is limited to all except the wealthy already. To them your death is cheaper than your care.

The Constitution thankfully misses a lot of things and we then can fill in the blanks based on what works best. It is a excellent guide not a rule. The time has come for universal healthcare.

The majority of Americans want UHC, oddly worded survey questions created by interest groups are hardly the place for a decision on something so critical to our small businesses and to all of us.

Yes, government can do things well. Consider the following: The military is excellent, although I have to say they could save money too having been there, done that. And veterans health services are darn good and well run. Medicare helps so many.

Social security is excellent for lots of Americans. For a few cents the postal service gets my packages to me and from me. The internet works well. Weather forecasting is excellent as are the communications satellites. And I don't know about you but I love those backroads that make travel in America educational and fun. Police help too, our money is insured, food is safe, and planes are safe, the museums, national parks, and all that history. All good stuff.

Many Republicans naysayers are corporate tools. Consider only their billion dollar bailouts to the banks and then consider their opposition to minimum wage. Make sense to you?

And consider these statistics.

"Nearly 46 million Americans, or 18 percent of the population under the age of 65, were without health insurance in 2007, the latest government data available.

"The number of uninsured rose 2.2 million between 2005 and 2006 and has increased by almost 8 million people since 2000.

"The large majority of the uninsured (80 percent) are native or naturalized citizens.

"The increase in the number of uninsured in 2006 was focused among working age adults. The percentage of working adults (18 to 64) who had no health coverage climbed from 19.7 percent in 2005 to 20.2 percent in 2006.1 Nearly 1.3 million full-time workers lost their health insurance in 2006."

Do corporations always do the right thing or even care for the people? If they did would this debate still be going on after nearly eighty years? Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Nixon, and others realized we needed it long ago.

Government is all the people expressing themselves. Corporations are elitist boards whose sole goal is profit and your care matters not at all. It used to be that healthcare insurers were non profit. Add profit to any picture and soon a cheap employee on a video conference call will manage your operation. OK, joke there.

Do the executives making millions really care that the working person has no healthcare? To some your death is cheaper than your care. Your are only a number, a liability to some.

There are no saints in this picture, but concern and empathy, and that great America spirit are all missing in the picture of 'this is hard', 'this is too costly,' 'we can't do this!' Bah humbug, we can do it if we care about America.

UHC is required now for a free and prosperous America.

(repost)

 

[AllieBaba]

My party could have offered an acceptable alternative to the Democrat plan. My party could have entered the 21st century, but "oh no!" enough of us are listening to the likes of Sean, Rush, Glenn, etc, that we believe that "business as usual works".

The bigger fools, we. The Dems will remain in a powerful majority from 2010 to the national elections in 2012. The wing nut reactionaries to the right have screwed the GOP over mightily.

No, it's idiots like you who have screwed the GOP.

Go ahead and join up with the left. You're lying when you call yourself a Repub.

PS, we did offer acceptable alternatives. The thing is, the Dems won't let any of the GOP anywhere NEAR the bill.

 

[mudwhistle]

My party could have offered an acceptable alternative to the Democrat plan. My party could have entered the 21st century, but "oh no!" enough of us are listening to the likes of Sean, Rush, Glenn, etc, that we believe that "business as usual works".

The bigger fools, we. The Dems will remain in a powerful majority from 2010 to the national elections in 2012. The wing nut reactionaries to the right have screwed the GOP over mightily.

No, it's idiots like you who have screwed the GOP.

Go ahead and join up with the left. You're lying when you call yourself a Repub.

PS, we did offer acceptable alternatives. The thing is, the Dems won't let any of the GOP anywhere NEAR the bill.

Another problem is this Tea-Party movement. It helps elect Democrats.

Splits the vote.

I think the Democrat Party should split into various parts.

1. The Communist Party
2. The Socialist Party
3. The Populist Party
4. The Marxist Party
5. The Islamic Party
6. The Progressive Party

That is what is at work here.

 

[Claudette]

The WSJ opinion page is reactionary bunkum of the highest degree. Almost every president since Teddy Roosevelt recognized the need for healthcare in America.

Exceptions were Reagan and the Bushs.

After defeating President Clinton's attempt to improve healthcare for all Americans, the republicans did nothing. They will do nothing again. Nothing. Allow me one more NOTHING.

In a real sense our government already manages healthcare through regulatory structure. Would you go to any quack or unlicensed doctor?

Do we as concerned citizens want corporations, the AMA, the insurance companies, and the hospitals having total control over healthcare choices? Citizens, average working people sure don't. So yes, we need more competition even if it is government pulling some strings to help all Americans.

What loss of personal liberty is there if everyone can easily obtain healthcare. Not having it is a real loss of freedom and liberty.

If freedom means anything, it means freedom from fear that an illness will destroy your savings and your life. If freedom means anything it means options that you make, not insurers whose motive is profit. To some your death is cheaper than your care - For republicans corporate profits come before your life.

In the corporate world competition is actually agreement among the plutocracy or economic oligarchy. Choice is limited to all except the wealthy already. To them your death is cheaper than your care.

The Constitution thankfully misses a lot of things and we then can fill in the blanks based on what works best. It is a excellent guide not a rule. The time has come for universal healthcare.

The majority of Americans want UHC, oddly worded survey questions created by interest groups are hardly the place for a decision on something so critical to our small businesses and to all of us.

Yes, government can do things well. Consider the following: The military is excellent, although I have to say they could save money too having been there, done that. And veterans health services are darn good and well run. Medicare helps so many.

Social security is excellent for lots of Americans. For a few cents the postal service gets my packages to me and from me. The internet works well. Weather forecasting is excellent as are the communications satellites. And I don't know about you but I love those backroads that make travel in America educational and fun. Police help too, our money is insured, food is safe, and planes are safe, the museums, national parks, and all that history. All good stuff.

Many Republicans naysayers are corporate tools. Consider only their billion dollar bailouts to the banks and then consider their opposition to minimum wage. Make sense to you?

And consider these statistics.

"Nearly 46 million Americans, or 18 percent of the population under the age of 65, were without health insurance in 2007, the latest government data available.

"The number of uninsured rose 2.2 million between 2005 and 2006 and has increased by almost 8 million people since 2000.

"The large majority of the uninsured (80 percent) are native or naturalized citizens.

"The increase in the number of uninsured in 2006 was focused among working age adults. The percentage of working adults (18 to 64) who had no health coverage climbed from 19.7 percent in 2005 to 20.2 percent in 2006.1 Nearly 1.3 million full-time workers lost their health insurance in 2006."

Do corporations always do the right thing or even care for the people? If they did would this debate still be going on after nearly eighty years? Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Nixon, and others realized we needed it long ago.

Government is all the people expressing themselves. Corporations are elitist boards whose sole goal is profit and your care matters not at all. It used to be that healthcare insurers were non profit. Add profit to any picture and soon a cheap employee on a video conference call will manage your operation. OK, joke there.

Do the executives making millions really care that the working person has no healthcare? To some your death is cheaper than your care. Your are only a number, a liability to some.

There are no saints in this picture, but concern and empathy, and that great America spirit are all missing in the picture of 'this is hard', 'this is too costly,' 'we can't do this!' Bah humbug, we can do it if we care about America.

UHC is required now for a free and prosperous America.

(repost)

Like Govt didn't create the halthcare problem to begin with?? Medicare was the start of the increase in healthcare costs.

Still haven't found anywhere in the Constitution where it says the taxpayers have to pay for healthcare for anyone??? You couldn't mayby point that out to me? I do carry a copy of said document with me so I could find it immediatly. Thanks.

 

[Gatekeeper]

WSJ blasts the lie that is Obamacare...

____

Change Nobody Believes In
A bill so reckless that it has to be rammed through on a partisan vote on Christmas eve.


And tidings of comfort and joy from Harry Reid too. The Senate Majority Leader has decided that the last few days before Christmas are the opportune moment for a narrow majority of Democrats to stuff ObamaCare through the Senate to meet an arbitrary White House deadline. Barring some extraordinary reversal, it now seems as if they have the 60 votes they need to jump off this cliff, with one-seventh of the economy in tow.

Mr. Obama promised a new era of transparent good government, yet on Saturday morning Mr. Reid threw out the 2,100-page bill that the world's greatest deliberative body spent just 17 days debating and replaced it with a new "manager's amendment" that was stapled together in covert partisan negotiations. Democrats are barely even bothering to pretend to care what's in it, not that any Senator had the chance to digest it in the 38 hours before the first cloture vote at 1 a.m. this morning. After procedural motions that allow for no amendments, the final vote could come at 9 p.m. on December 24.

Even in World War I there was a Christmas truce.

The rushed, secretive way that a bill this destructive and unpopular is being forced on the country shows that "reform" has devolved into the raw exercise of political power for the single purpose of permanently expanding the American entitlement state.



Rest of article here:


A Reckless Health Care Bill That Nobody Believes In - WSJ.com

If the majority REALLY did want this health care NOT to pass, it wouldn't. You cannot simply blog your way through life in message boards, e-mailing and calling these 'representatives' it obviously doesn't work.

What does work? How about:
1. Marching on Washington D.C by the millions, without stopping? (nope)
2. Marching on state Capitals by the millions continuously? (nope)
3. Stay home on weekends and nights, spending nothing. (nope)
4 thru 500, add ur own.............forget it.

These arrogant bastads, for the most part, know we have short memories, are more concerned about surviving day to day. Cannot possibly stay home from work, strike, boycott or anything else long enough to make any difference.
Washington D.C. using every means possible in the gutter to slam anything THEY want right up our collective 'arses' and we will smile and say THANK YOU, MAY I HAVE ANOTHER!!
The day we ALL really get off our collective butts and FIGHT BACK peacefully, cuz any other way gonna fill up those 'concentration camps' set up by FEMA,(conspiracy theory # 1001) then MAYBE we'll see some changes.
Otherwise folks, sit in USMB along with dozens of other blogging sites, call your talk radio shows and ***** yada yada yada and nothing going to change.......ever.

If the American Revolution had talk radio, blogging, e-mailing and calling the British occupiers back then, we'd all be citizens of the United Kingdom today.

What worked for them?

They all got off their collective asses and stood up the only way possible back then and kicked the oppression out on their butts.

And look at where we are now, , worse off than when the Brits had control. Seems all this stuff is only temporary, because people kick back after a victory and enjoy their freedoms and new found toys, while those who wish to dominate economically and other ways continue to plan and subvert our freedoms.

Give'em more Cable and Sat TV, create neat little electronic toys, what a great diversion for those who seek unlimited power. I am just as guilty BTW, in case there is someone thinking I am not.

Now we are at a major crossroad in America, what are we going to do as a nation?
First, we must stop name calling because someones opinion differs slightly from ours, then maybe racism, we're all in the same damn boat regardless of where we came from.
And maybe John Lenin of the Beatles was right...get rid of religion, it seems to be one of the largest culprits in the division and killing of people. I am not an atheist either. I know.......if it isn't religion, it will be TURF, if it isn't TURF, it's because someone is wearing a color that we don't like. Always something that human beings use as an EXCUSE to divide, in order to 'belong' to a select group so they can pick on another group.

I must say, it appears that human beings are the most flawed life form just about anywhere. Always scheming to screw the other person in some manner for profit, satisfaction, or both.

Anyone got any ideas, other than say, all the name calling I see in here and elsewhere, anyone have suggestions for a realistic solution to this power grab in America?