Centennial school shooting

[bodecea]

Yeah, you're right. We haven't passed any laws against driving drunk. No laws to make cars safer in crashes either.

Have we succeeded in stopping all drunk driving or all car crashes? Nope. But, we haven't curled up in a whimpering ball of impotency and just given up, either.

Why should this be an either/or issue? Why does the right think we can't address more than one life-threatening issue at a time? Just because they don't have the brain cells to handle more than one little bitty thing at a time, doesn't mean the grownups are similarly handicapped.

-I'm not a rightist

-Drunk driving laws across the country are little more than a slap on the wrist. Example:

3rd DUI arrest in Florida:

So after endangering the lives of hundreds of innocent people on the road THREE times (that you were caught):

-30 day minimum jail time, 1 year MAXIMUM. That's it. You put hundreds of people's lives in danger THREE TIMES (that you were caught), and you get 3 years.

-I agree we can tackle more than 1 life-threatening issue at a time. But why does the left obsess over guns MUCH MUCH more than they do with drunk driving? Which kills more people?

Because guns are "scary". That's why. I'm sure you feel no fear driving down the road (when you have a much higher chance at getting killed than in a mass shooting).

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[Luddly Neddite]

Yeah, you're right. We haven't passed any laws against driving drunk. No laws to make cars safer in crashes either.



Have we succeeded in stopping all drunk driving or all car crashes? Nope. But, we haven't curled up in a whimpering ball of impotency and just given up, either.



Why should this be an either/or issue? Why does the right think we can't address more than one life-threatening issue at a time? Just because they don't have the brain cells to handle more than one little bitty thing at a time, doesn't mean the grownups are similarly handicapped.

-I'm not a rightist



-Drunk driving laws across the country are little more than a slap on the wrist. Example:



3rd DUI arrest in Florida:



So after endangering the lives of hundreds of innocent people on the road THREE times (that you were caught):



-30 day minimum jail time, 1 year MAXIMUM. That's it. You put hundreds of people's lives in danger THREE TIMES (that you were caught), and you get 3 years.



-I agree we can tackle more than 1 life-threatening issue at a time. But why does the left obsess over guns MUCH MUCH more than they do with drunk driving? Which kills more people?



Because guns are "scary". That's why. I'm sure you feel no fear driving down the road (when you have a much higher chance at getting killed than in a mass shooting).

You would be wrong then. I own both guns and cars. Cars are a lot more "scary" because any idiot can't drive the same roads I do. Actually, of course, that's the same reason guns are "scary". I mean, have you read the nutter posts here?

Cars, swimming pools, guns, anything else you want to name - the point still stands that we should do all we can to mitigate the damages done to people by negligence and/or malice.

Nothing will make me believe that we should wring our hands and let our kids be gunned down because people get away with driving drunk. One simply has no relationship to the other.

No one says you can't work for tougher laws against drunk driving.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Sounds like a right winger, they always resort to violence and hate.

He was an anti gun liberal that hated republicans. I say he listen to MSNBC
probably CHRISSY TINGLE UP MY LEG Matthews, Rachel Maddcow., drove him to do this.

"da libs" hate guns and want to take them all away remember? He was a right winger no doubt.

There is no doubt about this one, nor was it any doubt about Chris Donner
Both are confirmed anti gun republican haters.
THIS ONE NO DOUBT GOT HIS ORDERS FROM MADDCOW OR ED SCHULTZ

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I read/heard somewhere that was an armed guard.



A lot of people are grateful that the target drew fire away from the kids.



If not for that, this could have been a lot worse.

No one knew the intended target was until after the fact. Should all teachers run away and leave children with the gunman?

Lanza went for a teacher shot her and then starting shooting the children.

Oh for Pete's sake, read your own op. Then read the other links.

Where did you read that "all teachers ran away and left the children with a gunman"? Post the link or admit that you just keep making this crap up.

It would be stupid and irresponsible to purposely draw gunfire to children. If the known target had stood in front of a classroom full if students - gawd - even you and Vox should be able to see where that would likely lead.

Do you read what is posted?


Should all teachers run away and leave children with the gunman?
I asked a question not once did I say they should.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Arapahoe High School shooting: Gunman intended to harm many at school - The Denver Post

As I suspected the teacher wasn't his only target

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Arapahoe High School shooting: Gunman intended to harm many at school - The Denver Post

As I suspected the teacher wasn't his only target

Did someone say he was? Did someone say that any mass shooter is going after only one target?

Nope.

to avenge a grudge he had against his debate coach...

The teen apparently harbored a grudge against Murphy after being disciplined by him in September, action that Robinson said was appropriate. The discipline came after Pierson made a verbal threat against Murphy to a group of students. Law enforcement was made aware of that threat, and the response to it remains under investigation, Robinson said...

There's a young girl whose life is over and yet, you still believe this teacher should have drawn fire to himself and other students.

Its a stupid position to take and indicates you have no friggin clue what you're yammering about.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Arapahoe High School shooting: Gunman intended to harm many at school - The Denver Post

As I suspected the teacher wasn't his only target

Did someone say he was? Did someone say that any mass shooter is going after only one target?

Nope.

to avenge a grudge he had against his debate coach...

The teen apparently harbored a grudge against Murphy after being disciplined by him in September, action that Robinson said was appropriate. The discipline came after Pierson made a verbal threat against Murphy to a group of students. Law enforcement was made aware of that threat, and the response to it remains under investigation, Robinson said...

There's a young girl whose life is over and yet, you still believe this teacher should have drawn fire to himself and other students.

Its a stupid position to take and indicates you have no friggin clue what you're yammering about.

I think you should leave this thread now.

what is the most impressive in this story - it is the coward teacher, who ran away upon learning that the student he/she abused came for her - and ran away, like a true sissy.

You, of course, would run towards the kid gunning for you.

You, of course, would run towards the kid gunning for you.

an adult has always more measures than just cowardly running away. or at least they should

if there was a "plan" as it is pompously announced.

there was no plan - the teacher ran away and everything else was just a damage control.

Read the ffing link. The janitor reported that he is the one who took the teacher out of the building. First, if your life is being threatened directly by a madman with a gun, you head in the other direction, or else you are an idiot and a fool. This isn't Dodge City as depicted on TV: it is real life. You'd run like hell, I've not doubt whatsoever.

Interesting you said this

On his Facebook page, he seemed to make fun of Republicans, writing "you republicans are so cute" and posting an image that read: "The Republican Party: Health Care: Let 'em Die, Climate Change: Let 'em Die, Gun Violence: Let 'em Die, Women's Rights: Let 'em Die, More War: Let 'em Die. Is this really the side you want to be on?"

Read more: Colorado teenage gunman had 'very strong beliefs about gun laws' and Republicans* - NY Daily News

"He had very strong beliefs about gun laws and stuff," said junior Abbey Skoda, who shared a class with Pierson during her freshmen year, The Denver Post reported. "I also heard he was bullied a lot."

Yep disarm more people so he can create more victims.
This is the second known gun control supporter who actually used guns to kill with.

I thought he only killed himself with a gun.






So what's the problem?

It could have been a lot worse but lucky for everyone, his target had left the area. Hence, no more deaths.

A teacher is not the child's parent so that has nothing to do with it.

BUT, if a parent were the target, then yes, they would want their child as far away from the gunfire as possible.

Are you really saying you would do different? Are you saying that if YOU were the target, you would keep your child close to you?

What kind of idiot parent would do that?

A teacher might not be their parents BUT IT is irrelevant. They are in charge when the children are own school grounds.

Are you really saying you would do different? Are you saying that if YOU were the target, you would keep your child close to you?

Did the teacher know that he was the intended target and after he was gone no other person would be harmed?
I think that knowledge came after the fact, not during the shooting. You have a screwed up way of asking a question. Holding the children close to me? Why would I use the child as a shield? Are you saying the teachers did wrong at sandy hook by not running away?

According to news reports, yes, he knew he was the intended target.

"using a child as a shield"? YOU suggested that. I said that drawing fire away from the children protected them.

Now you are saying all or some or one of the Sandy Hook teachers were the known intended target? I didn't know that.

Neither do you.

What an insane position to take - that the known target of a nutcase shooter should stay close to children when the shooting starts.

I read/heard somewhere that was an armed guard.



A lot of people are grateful that the target drew fire away from the kids.



If not for that, this could have been a lot worse.

No one knew the intended target was until after the fact. Should all teachers run away and leave children with the gunman?

Lanza went for a teacher shot her and then starting shooting the children.

Oh for Pete's sake, read your own op. Then read the other links.

Where did you read that "all teachers ran away and left the children with a gunman"? Post the link or admit that you just keep making this crap up.

It would be stupid and irresponsible to purposely draw gunfire to children. If the known target had stood in front of a classroom full if students - gawd - even you and Vox should be able to see where that would likely lead.

 

[Vox]

No one knew the intended target was until after the fact. Should all teachers run away and leave children with the gunman?

Lanza went for a teacher shot her and then starting shooting the children.

Oh for Pete's sake, read your own op. Then read the other links.

Where did you read that "all teachers ran away and left the children with a gunman"? Post the link or admit that you just keep making this crap up.

It would be stupid and irresponsible to purposely draw gunfire to children. If the known target had stood in front of a classroom full if students - gawd - even you and Vox should be able to see where that would likely lead.

Do you read what is posted?


Should all teachers run away and leave children with the gunman?
I asked a question not once did I say they should.

they would not answer the question as they are just repeating the idiocy of the "smart tactic" - which clearly led to the girl being shot ( by early accounts) - but, in reality, we are not being told the truth - every article coming is contradicting the previous ones and even the material in the very same article.

 

[JamesInFlorida]

I read/heard somewhere that was an armed guard.



A lot of people are grateful that the target drew fire away from the kids.



If not for that, this could have been a lot worse.

No one knew the intended target was until after the fact. Should all teachers run away and leave children with the gunman?

Lanza went for a teacher shot her and then starting shooting the children.

Oh for Pete's sake, read your own op. Then read the other links.

Where did you read that "all teachers ran away and left the children with a gunman"? Post the link or admit that you just keep making this crap up.

It would be stupid and irresponsible to purposely draw gunfire to children. If the known target had stood in front of a classroom full if students - gawd - even you and Vox should be able to see where that would likely lead.

-Prohibition doesn't work. It didn't work with alcohol, it hasn't worked with marijuana and other drugs, and it wont work with guns. Simple reason why: criminal by definition don't follow the law. If somebody is determined enough to commit a crime as severe as a school shooting-they will go to any length to get their hands on a gun-and they WILL. There is no real way to stop somebody who is determined to carry out an act like this from being able to get a gun.

Here's 2 questions I have for you (because I'm honestly curious-not baiting you):

The scenario is this: you're a teacher at a high school and there is a 18 year old student with a gun. The student has all ready opened fired and has killed a few staff members and students. The student is now attempting to get into your classroom via the door and/or window next to the door. It is the only way and out of your room. Your classroom is on the second floor of the school. You have roughly 30 students in your room.

A) What would you do?
B) What would be the best way to defend yourself and your students?

 

[Esmeralda]

No one knew the intended target was until after the fact. Should all teachers run away and leave children with the gunman?

Lanza went for a teacher shot her and then starting shooting the children.

Oh for Pete's sake, read your own op. Then read the other links.

Where did you read that "all teachers ran away and left the children with a gunman"? Post the link or admit that you just keep making this crap up.

It would be stupid and irresponsible to purposely draw gunfire to children. If the known target had stood in front of a classroom full if students - gawd - even you and Vox should be able to see where that would likely lead.

-Prohibition doesn't work. It didn't work with alcohol, it hasn't worked with marijuana and other drugs, and it wont work with guns. Simple reason why: criminal by definition don't follow the law. If somebody is determined enough to commit a crime as severe as a school shooting-they will go to any length to get their hands on a gun-and they WILL. There is no real way to stop somebody who is determined to carry out an act like this from being able to get a gun.

Here's 2 questions I have for you (because I'm honestly curious-not baiting you):

The scenario is this: you're a teacher at a high school and there is a 18 year old student with a gun. The student has all ready opened fired and has killed a few staff members and students. The student is now attempting to get into your classroom via the door and/or window next to the door. It is the only way and out of your room. Your classroom is on the second floor of the school. You have roughly 30 students in your room.

A) What would you do?
B) What would be the best way to defend yourself and your students?

Nowadays, this scenario shouldn't happen. Nowadays, all schools have, or should have, a lockdown policy that they practice in the same way fire drills are practiced. This school in Colorado not only allowed an armed man into the school, they apparently didn't have a lockdown procedure in place. The school district needs to look into that immediately and do something about it.

 

[Politico]

It was shooting that took place at a school. Not a school shooting

 

[jon_berzerk]

Oh for Pete's sake, read your own op. Then read the other links.

Where did you read that "all teachers ran away and left the children with a gunman"? Post the link or admit that you just keep making this crap up.

It would be stupid and irresponsible to purposely draw gunfire to children. If the known target had stood in front of a classroom full if students - gawd - even you and Vox should be able to see where that would likely lead.

Do you read what is posted?


Should all teachers run away and leave children with the gunman?
I asked a question not once did I say they should.

they would not answer the question as they are just repeating the idiocy of the "smart tactic" - which clearly led to the girl being shot ( by early accounts) - but, in reality, we are not being told the truth - every article coming is contradicting the previous ones and even the material in the very same article.

it was not the teacher who abandoned the children who saved the day

it was the armed deputy sheriff who contained the shooter

no wonder the media dropped the story so quickly

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The rampage might have resulted in many more casualties had it not been for the quick response of a deputy sheriff who was working as a school resource officer at the school, Robinson said.
Once he learned of the threat, he ran - accompanied by an unarmed school security officer and two administrators - from the cafeteria to the library, Robinson said. "It's a fairly long hallway, but the deputy sheriff got there very quickly."
The deputy was yelling for people to get down and identified himself as a county deputy sheriff, Robinson said. "We know for a fact that the shooter knew that the deputy was in the immediate area and, while the deputy was containing the shooter, the shooter took his own life."

He praised the deputy's response as "a critical element to the shooter's decision" to kill himself, and lauded his response to hearing gunshots. "He went to the thunder," he said. "He heard the noise of gunshot and, when many would run away from it, he ran toward it to make other people safe."

Colorado's school shooting -- over in 80 seconds - CNN.com

 

[jon_berzerk]

from CNN


Senior Chris Davis, 18, was among many students Saturday trying to make sense of Pierson's shooting rampage.

"He was a weird kid," Davis said. "He's a self-proclaimed communist, just wears Soviet shirts all the time."

School gunman Karl Pierson liked debate, running, but acted "weird" - CNN.com

 

[jon_berzerk]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUK9HE0tWss]Student On Arapahoe School Shooter: "Very Proud Of Being A Socialist" - YouTube[/ame]

 

[editec]

Amazing how easy it is for trolls to evoke a response isnt it?

They just say something incredibly stupid and people take them seriously.

 

[wavingrl]

A) What would you do?
B) What would be the best way to defend yourself and your students?

Nowadays, this scenario shouldn't happen. Nowadays, all schools have, or should have, a lockdown policy that they practice in the same way fire drills are practiced. This school in Colorado not only allowed an armed man into the school, they apparently didn't have a lockdown procedure in place. The school district needs to look into that immediately and do something about it.

How the student was able to enter the school with the weapons is something I don't understand.

Who knows what schools are doing now --but I thought keeping the doors locked was SOP.

 

[Asclepias]

No one knew the intended target was until after the fact. Should all teachers run away and leave children with the gunman?

Lanza went for a teacher shot her and then starting shooting the children.

Oh for Pete's sake, read your own op. Then read the other links.

Where did you read that "all teachers ran away and left the children with a gunman"? Post the link or admit that you just keep making this crap up.

It would be stupid and irresponsible to purposely draw gunfire to children. If the known target had stood in front of a classroom full if students - gawd - even you and Vox should be able to see where that would likely lead.

-Prohibition doesn't work. It didn't work with alcohol, it hasn't worked with marijuana and other drugs, and it wont work with guns. Simple reason why: criminal by definition don't follow the law. If somebody is determined enough to commit a crime as severe as a school shooting-they will go to any length to get their hands on a gun-and they WILL. There is no real way to stop somebody who is determined to carry out an act like this from being able to get a gun.

Here's 2 questions I have for you (because I'm honestly curious-not baiting you):

The scenario is this: you're a teacher at a high school and there is a 18 year old student with a gun. The student has all ready opened fired and has killed a few staff members and students. The student is now attempting to get into your classroom via the door and/or window next to the door. It is the only way and out of your room. Your classroom is on the second floor of the school. You have roughly 30 students in your room.

A) What would you do?
B) What would be the best way to defend yourself and your students?

Attack the shooter. He would never expect it.