Cell Phones are becoming the next step in human evolution is this good or bad?

[justoffal]

I was looking for a forum to place this subject....Debates didn't seem to fit....General Discussion might...but this is after all a very current event taking place on a daily basis and morphing into bigger and better manifestations every day also.

New Studies Link Cell Phone Radiation with Cancer

The Entire world is now in the palm of your hand. Experts are warning us all the time about the danger of Cell Phones to our children and I agree but I also disagree. I suppose it's quaint to hearken back to a simpler life where voice communication over long distances depended your physical proximity to a hard wired overland phone set. That form of communication started roughly at about the turn of the 20'th century and didn't change very much for 70 years...and so it became hardwired also inasmuch as it came to bee seen as tradition and you know that anytime we buck tradition you're always going to have a reaction, a backlash from people who fear change.

Then comes faxing, then comes beta signal internet access over phone lines with computers at the other end of the wires....now we have upgraded to laser carry over fiber-optic conduit and ultimately to the various frequencies of cell coverage with the new 5g market promising to bring hitherto unheralded access speed to data streaming and shear statistical muscle all in the palm of your hand.

We also have access to the entire world library of reference unlike ever before. My Grandson can ask me a question about the old days and he can check the accuracy of my answers ( and he does ) simply by asking his I phone. It put's me out a bit but I support it wholeheartedly. At his young age his general world knowledge must be 10 times what I had to dig out of books and some re-run PBS documentaries or take a trip down the the Public library for .... Some would say.... well good that's where you should be...but I disagree. NO....that is not where I should be when I can have that public library in my palm immediately and then some. I'll spend less time getting the info and more time learning greater amounts of info....this is a good thing.

New info on the EMF radiation implications of cell usage insofar as human health is concerned seem to be saying that all cell usage is somehow damaging to the brain and can actually stimulate dopamine release causing the well know withdrawal symptoms we see in cell phone deprived teens....lol. Here's my take on that.
We are knowledge and information machines. Our brains are so huge compared to the usage demand we put on them I say that something artificial is needed to help us understate out human intentional more clearly.
I see the cell phone or the hand held communications computer as the perfect answer to that need. Eventually we will have them chipped into your skulls IMO....and all the keyboards, mouses and selection tools will be virtual holograms manipulated by the Electro-magnetic impulses of our brain minus an motion of the hands....is that a bad thing? I don't think so...not only is it not bad...I believe it is inevitable and irreversible.

JO

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

I have one. I use it to run the house security and as a car phone for emergencies. That's it. It has been neutered to the greatest degree possible.

I ain't gonna clip one to my skull.

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

Wait till 5G starts up. You think they run people's lives now?

 

[gipper]

Radiation from cell phones has been proven harmful to human health. Yet our omnipresent, extraordinarily expense, and amazingly powerful central government refuses to protect the people, while it protects the communications industry. Nothing new here in the age of USA Fascism.

Some say 5G will cause even greater health problems.

 

[justoffal]

I have one. I use it to run the house security and as a car phone for emergencies. That's it. It has been neutered to the greatest degree possible.

I ain't gonna clip one to my skull.

Moving over for the health hazards part...what do you think the effect of super fast information is on the human mind and oh human culture as a whole....are we moving forward or is this a harmful development?

 

[justoffal]

Radiation from cell phones has been proven harmful to human health. Yet our omnipresent, extraordinarily expense, and amazingly powerful central government refuses to protect the people, while it protects the communications industry. Nothing new here in the age of USA Fascism.

Some say 5G will cause even greater health problems.

Apparently it's only good for wide open urban areas as it does not have the same penetrating power as 4g does...not sure why exactly.

JO

 

[Claudette]

I have one. I use it to run the house security and as a car phone for emergencies. That's it. It has been neutered to the greatest degree possible.

I ain't gonna clip one to my skull.

I couldn't agree more. Mine gets used to make calls and texts and that it.

I can't tell you how many people I see who can't move without their cellphone in their face.

Good Lord. Seems folks are addicted to the damned things.

Not my cup of tea at all.

 

[justoffal]

Wait till 5G starts up. You think they run people's lives now?

How much info do you get from your cell phone on a daily basis...this is not a confrontational question but instead I am truly curious.

JO

 

[MarathonMike]

Based on my non-scientific observations, the group most hooked on cell phones are young women. They don't seem to be able to even walk to the bathroom without staring into one.

I'm also thinking of making a GET OFF THE PHONE sign and honk at people I see doing the cell phone head bob driving down the road. There have already been people killed by these idiots obsessed with their phone.

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

Wait till 5G starts up. You think they run people's lives now?

How much info do you get from your cell phone on a daily basis...this is not a confrontational question but instead I am truly curious.

JO

I use a flip phone. I find smartphones annoying and far too large. I will only use one if provided by an employer.

 

[gipper]

Radiation from cell phones has been proven harmful to human health. Yet our omnipresent, extraordinarily expense, and amazingly powerful central government refuses to protect the people, while it protects the communications industry. Nothing new here in the age of USA Fascism.

Some say 5G will cause even greater health problems.

Apparently it's only good for wide open urban areas as it does not have the same penetrating power as 4g does...not sure why exactly.

JO

They are talking about posting 5G repeater towers on light poles throughout neighborhoods. Thus radiating everyone 24/7/365.

 

[MindWars]

Kill Grid: 5G Networks And Frequency Warfare (Will Destroy Your DNA) – Brutal Proof


LIBERALS CAN NOT USE LOGIC NOR COMMON SENSE

THIS WILL DESTROY OUR DNA/ YOUR CHILDREN

THEY WILL MAKE BILLIONS OFF OF THIS
THIS FORCES YOU INTO " THEIR CONTROL" BECAUSE NEXT IS SMART CITIES WHY DO YOU THINK THEY WANT TO SHUFFLE THE POPULATION INTO SMART CITIES.......

WHO CAN SHUT DOWN YOUR PHONE WHEN U DON'T PAY
WHO CAN CONTROL WHAT YOU SEE OR DON'T SEE ON YOUR PHONE OR COMPUTER

DO YOU ASSHOLES WHO CAN'T BELIEVE THIS CRAP CAN DO THIS EVER STOP TO THINK THESE COMPANIES WILL TELL US ANYTHING IN ORDER TO GET IT ACCEPTED BY THE FCC, FDA, EPA ETC. MORONS..

THEY AREN'T GOING TO TELL YOU IT'S GONNNA KILL DUMBASSES!!!


ALL THIS SMART STUFF IS TO CONTROL THE POPULATION WAKE THE HELL UP STUPID ASSES.!!!

There are some other features of 5G you need to be aware of:

Wireless Cell Antennas Galore
Millimeter waves (MMWs) do not travel well through buildings and they tend to be absorbed by rain and plants. This interferes with the signal. Added to this, high frequency waves like MMWs also have much shorter wavelengths that can’t travel far.

To counter this problem 5G will utilize smaller cell stations (and the technology of beamforming) that’ll scramble/unscramble and redirect packets of data on a no-interference path back to us. This could mean wireless antennas on every lamp post, utility pole, home and business throughout entire neighborhoods, towns and cities.

This short video gives a succinct explanation of what you can expect:

The Dangers Of 5G – 11 Reasons To Be Concerned
The USA is currently leading the way on 5G. At the June 2016 press conference where the Federal Communications Commission’s (FCC) head Tom Wheeler announced the opening up of low, mid and high spectrum’s. There was no mention of health effects whatsoever. But the dangers are real.

Thousands of studies link low-level wireless radio frequency radiation exposures to a long list of adverse biological effects, including:

• DNA single and double strand breaks
• oxidative damage
• disruption of cell metabolism
• increased blood brain barrier permeability
• melatonin reduction
• disruption to brain glucose metabolism
• generation of stress proteins

Let’s not also forget that in 2011 the World Health Organization (WHO) classified radio frequency radiation as a possible 2B carcinogen.

More recently the $25 million National Toxicology Program concluded that radio frequency radiation of the type currently used by cell phones can cause cancer.

But where does 5G fit into all this? Given that 5G is set to utilize frequencies above and below existing frequency bands 5G sits in the middle of all this. But the tendency (it varies from country to country) is for 5G to utilize the higher frequency bands. Which brings it’s own particular concerns. Here is my review of the studies done to date – 11 reasons to be concerned.

#1 – A DENSER SOUP OF ELECTROSMOG
We’re going to be bombarded by really high frequencies at low, short-range intensities creating a yet more complicated denser soup of electrosmog – as this diagram shows.

Source: Latest on 5G Spectrum – EMFields Ltd.

To work with the higher range MMW in 5G, the antennas required are smaller. Some experts are talking about as small as 3mm by 3mm. The low intensity is for efficiency and to deal with signal disruption from natural and man-made obstacles.

#2 – EFFECTS ON THE SKIN
The biggest concern is how these new wavelengths will affect the skin. The human body has between two million to four million sweat ducts. Dr. Ben-Ishai of Hebrew University, Israel explains that our sweat ducts act like “an array of helical antennas when exposed to these wavelengths,” meaning that we become more conductive. A recent New York study which experimented with 60GHz waves stated that “the analyses of penetration depth show that more than 90% of the transmitted power is absorbed in the epidermis and dermis layer.”

The effects of MMWs as studied by Dr. Yael Stein of Hebrew University is said to also cause humans physical pain as our nociceptors flare up in recognition of the wave as a damaging stimuli. So we’re looking at possibilities of many skin diseases and cancer as well as physical pain to our skin.

#3 – EFFECTS ON THE EYES
A 1994 study found that low level millimeter microwave radiation produced lens opacity in rats, which is linked to the production of cataracts.

An experiment conducted by the Medical Research Institute of Kanazawa Medical University found that 60GHz “millimeter-wave antennas can cause thermal injuries of varying types of levels. The thermal effects induced by millimeterwaves can apparently penetrate below the surface of the eye.”

A 2003 Chinese study has also found damage to the lens epithelial cells of rabbits after 8 hours of exposure to microwave radiation and a 2009 study conducted by the College of Physicians and Surgeons in Pakistan conclude that EMFs emitted by a mobile phone cause derangement of chicken embryo retinal differentiation.

#4 – EFFECTS ON THE HEART
A 1992 Russian study found that frequencies in the range 53-78GHz (that which 5G proposes to use) impacted the heart rate variability (an indicator of stress) in rats. Another Russian study on frogs who’s skin was exposed to MMWs found heart rate changes (arrhythmias).

#5 – IMMUNE SYSTEM EFFECTS
A 2002 Russian study examined the effects of 42HGz microwave radiation exposure on the blood of healthy mice. It was concluded that “the whole-body exposure of healthy mice to low-intensity EHF EMR has a profound effect on the indices of nonspecific immunity”.

#6 – EFFECTS ON CELL GROWTH RATES
A 2016 Armenian study observed MMWs at low intensity, mirroring the future environment brought about by 5G. Their study conducted on E-coli and other bacteria stated that the waves had depressed their growth as well as “changing properties and activity” of the cells. The concern is that it would do the same to human cells.

#7 – EFFECTS ON BACTERIA RESISTANCE
The very same Armenian study also suggested that MMWs effects are mainly on water, cell plasma membrane and genome too. They had found that MMW’s interaction with bacteria altered their sensitivity to “different biologically active chemicals, including antibiotics.” More specifically, the combination of MMW and antibiotics showed that it may be leading to antibiotic resistance in bacteria.

This groundbreaking finding could have a magnum effect on the health of human beings as the bandwidth is rolled out nationwide. The concern is that we develop a lower resistance to bacteria as our cells become more vulnerable – and we become more vulnerable.

#8 – EFFECTS ON PLANT HEALTH
One of the features of 5G is that the MMW is particularly susceptible to being absorbed by plants and rain. Humans and animals alike consume plants as a food source. The effects MMW has on plants could leave us with food that’s not safe to consume.

Think GMOs on steroids. The water that falls from the sky onto these plants will also be irradiated. A 2010 study on aspen seedlings showed that the exposure to radio frequencies led to the leaves showing necrosis symptoms.

Source: https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ijfr/2010/83627

Another Armenian study found that MMWs of low intensity “invoke(s) peroxidase isoenzyme spectrum changes of wheat shoots.” Peroxidase is a stress protein existing in plants. Indications are that 5G will be particularly harmful to plants – perhaps more so than to humans.

#9 – EFFECTS ON THE ATMOSPHERE AND DEPLETION OF FOSSIL FUELS
Implementation of the 5G global wireless network requires the launching of rockets to deploy satellites for 5G. These satellites have a short lifespan which would require a lot more deployment than what we’re currently seeing. A new type of hydrocarbon rocket engine expected to power a fleet of suborbital rockets would emit black carbon which “could cause potentially significant changes in the global atmospheric circulation and distributions of ozone and temperature” according to a 2010 Californian study. Solid state rocket exhaust contains chlorine which also destroys the ozone.

The effects on the ozone are thought to be worse than current day CFC exposure.

Google’s Project Loon is said to bring Internet to rural and hard-to-access areas by using helium balloons. But these balloons only have a 10-month lifespan. We’re looking at a lot of helium being used here, more than what we can possibly have on Earth?

#10 – DISRUPTION OF THE NATURAL ECOSYSTEM
Since the year 2000, there have been reports of birds abandoning their nests as well as health issues like “plumage deterioration, locomotion problems, reduced survivorship and death,” says researcher Alfonso Balmori. Bird species that are affected by these low levels, non-ionizing microwave radiation are the House Sparrows, Rock Doves, White Storks, Collared Doves and Magpies, among others.

But it’s not just the birds. The declining bee population is also said to be linked to this non-ionizing EMF radiation. It reduces the egg-laying abilities of the queen leading to a decline in colony strength.

A study conducted by Chennai’s Loyola College in 2012 concluded that out of 919 research studies carried out on birds, plants, bees and other animals and humans, 593 of them showed impacts from RF-EMF radiations. 5G will be adding to the effects of this electrosmog.

#11 – MOST 5G STUDIES MIS-LEADING
5G will use pulsed millimeter waves to carry information. But as Dr. Joel Moskowitz points out, most 5G studies are misleading because they do not pulse the waves. This is important because research on microwaves already tells us how pulsed waves have more profound biological effects on our body compared to non-pulsed waves. Previous studies, for instance, show how pulse rates of the frequencies led to gene toxicity and DNA strand breaks.

LIVE TESTING ALREADY BEGUN
AT&T have announced the availability of their 5G Evolution in Austin, Texas. 5G Evolution allows Samsung S8 and S8 + users access to faster speeds. This is part of AT&T’s plan to lay the 5G foundation while the standards are being finalized. AT&T has eyes on 19 other metropolitan areas such as Chicago, Los Angeles, Boston, Atlanta, San Francisco and so on. With Indianapolis to follow.

5G Radiation Dangers - 11 Reasons To Be Concerned | ElectricSense

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

I have one. I use it to run the house security and as a car phone for emergencies. That's it. It has been neutered to the greatest degree possible.

I ain't gonna clip one to my skull.

Moving over for the health hazards part...what do you think the effect of super fast information is on the human mind and oh human culture as a whole....are we moving forward or is this a harmful development?

Instant information has in many ways exacerbated problems that in the past would have been settled and done by the time the information about them could be had.

News of "Wars and rumors of wars" tends to self-reproduce. When coupled with the 24/7 Barnum-like showmanship of current news broadcasts/streams/whatever, you get wide regions of the planet stirred up over local incidents that would otherwise be over and done.

Consider the gun control efforts of media in the United States as a simple example. Each shooting incident is magnified into a nationwide crisis deserving of weeks of coverage and hankie twisting.

 

[justoffal]

I have one. I use it to run the house security and as a car phone for emergencies. That's it. It has been neutered to the greatest degree possible.

I ain't gonna clip one to my skull.

Moving over for the health hazards part...what do you think the effect of super fast information is on the human mind and oh human culture as a whole....are we moving forward or is this a harmful development?

Instant information has in many ways exacerbated problems that in the past would have been settled and done by the time the information about them could be had.

News of "Wars and rumors of wars" tends to self-reproduce. When coupled with the 24/7 Barnum-like showmanship of current news broadcasts/streams/whatever, you get wide regions of the planet stirred up over local incidents that would otherwise be over and done.

Consider the gun control efforts of media in the United States as a simple example. Each shooting incident is magnified into a nationwide crisis deserving of weeks of coverage and hankie twisting.

Sure....good point...so you're saying that yes it magnifies the info highway but sometimes the info shouldn't be magnified. Interesting to be sure.

JO

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Turning human beings into cyborgs is not "evolutionary" at all. Look up what the word means.

 

[MindWars]

I have one. I use it to run the house security and as a car phone for emergencies. That's it. It has been neutered to the greatest degree possible.

I ain't gonna clip one to my skull.

Moving over for the health hazards part...what do you think the effect of super fast information is on the human mind and oh human culture as a whole....are we moving forward or is this a harmful development?

Instant information has in many ways exacerbated problems that in the past would have been settled and done by the time the information about them could be had.

News of "Wars and rumors of wars" tends to self-reproduce. When coupled with the 24/7 Barnum-like showmanship of current news broadcasts/streams/whatever, you get wide regions of the planet stirred up over local incidents that would otherwise be over and done.

Consider the gun control efforts of media in the United States as a simple example. Each shooting incident is magnified into a nationwide crisis deserving of weeks of coverage and hankie twisting.

You have a point but it is being admitted they haven't even tested this shit yet Bill. Cancer in kids near schools or going to schools are getting brain cancer at unprecedented rates.

But I do get how the media, press etc. do make crisis out of anything they can and out of anything they can. Just so it seems worse than it is just like vaccines. too they pull that crap.

But there is a danger with this they aren't gonna tell us. You know that ehhe.

The health concerns actually go far beyond the 5G cell towers that are being placed approximately every 500 feet on the streets of America’s urban areas. It has now been revealed that 20,000 satellites will be soon put into orbit around the Earth to broadcast 5G microwave radiation over every square foot of ground on our planet.

5G Has Not Been Proven Safe for Human Health | Humans Are Free
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Blumenthal wants FCC to prove 5G wireless technology is safe
Even if they requested this one, I wouldn't trust the bastards to tell the truth either way.

 

[justoffal]

Turning human beings into cyborgs is not "evolutionary" at all. Look up what the word means.

Understood and yet evolution becomes whatever it becomes. There is a definite symbiotic relationship between man and the new information technology. Hell Facebook, Twitter and the like are now an integral part of human behavior.

Jo

 

[fncceo]

I agree ... technology bad...

 

[Marion Morrison]

People are too dependent on them. It's producing people that really don't know how to interact with others without going through the phone interface. Scary stuff. I have one, use it every now and then.
Facetime is neat.

 

[justoffal]

People are too dependent on them. It's producing people that really don't know how to interact with others without going through the phone interface. Scary stuff. I have one, use it every now and then.
Facetime is neat.

I have eliminated my rucksack full of technical Manuals ... Everything is on my phone now including spreadsheets, various advanced calculators and immediate connection to industry experts. I can literally stand in front of the problem, scan the manuals, calculate the needs and order the parts all in a matter of 30 minutes while uploading back up files via WiFi to my office computer. Dude I'm feeling like the lawnmower man!

I agree that perhaps we overdo it ... But this Genie isn't just out of the bottle... The bottle is gone.

Jo