Celebration of our Christian history

[james bond]

More ugliness and hate, you really just keep on giving. Namely giving Christians bad name. I'm pretty sure Jesus never said "Just giving it to you up your rear end so you REMEMBER it".

I'm not the one who has no sympathy for the Jews and victims of the Holocaust. It may have been decades ago, but we can't forget it so low life cretins like you can blame Christians with a toss away line. Your slimy, filthy kind will blame God first for the coronavirus or even the Canaanites. They're even part of your atheist science -- Who Were the Canaanites? As for Jesus, that was Jesus Christ the first time. He paid our ransom for salvation. The second time he'll be wrathful. I don't know what title he gets for that, but "Just giving it to you up your rear end so you REMEMBER it" sounds okay for Tribulation Jesus.

 

[alang1216]

More ugliness and hate, you really just keep on giving. Namely giving Christians bad name. I'm pretty sure Jesus never said "Just giving it to you up your rear end so you REMEMBER it".

I'm not the one who has no sympathy for the Jews and victims of the Holocaust. It may have been decades ago, but we can't forget it so low life cretins like you can blame Christians with a toss away line. Your slimy, filthy kind will blame God first for the coronavirus or even the Canaanites. They're even part of your atheist science -- Who Were the Canaanites? As for Jesus, that was Jesus Christ the first time. He paid our ransom for salvation. The second time he'll be wrathful. I don't know what title he gets for that, but "Just giving it to you up your rear end so you REMEMBER it" sounds okay for Tribulation Jesus.

Such hatred and anger. Tsk tsk. I thought you and Jesus were supposed to love your enemies? But I am glad to hear you have sympathy for those "rich and curmudgeonous" Jews.

The 'toss away line' comes from Matthew 27:
24 When Pilate saw that he was accomplishing nothing, but that instead a riot was breaking out, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood,” he said. “You bear the responsibility.”
25 All the people answered, “His blood be on us and on our children!”

I'm not sure how the Canaanites got into this but you may rest assured, no atheist will blame God for the coronavirus.

 

[Votto]

Wonderful, thank you. Instead of debunking my position you show that Christians still maintain the ugly stereotypes of the Middle Ages.

No ugly stereotype. Just giving it to you up your rear end so you REMEMBER it. So you and your family won't be accusing Christians of creating Hitler. Own your evolution and its relative, eugenics. It's full of hate just like you and Darwin.

More ugliness and hate, you really just keep on giving. Namely giving Christians bad name. I'm pretty sure Jesus never said "Just giving it to you up your rear end so you REMEMBER it".

As I have said before, the one common theme for oppressing Jews, whether it be socialist Nazi Germany, or the Catholic church that now leans left, has been the state oppressing them at the root of it. No other institution in human history has been responsible for the number of murders and slaves as has the state, a state Christ had nothing to do with. And no, being a Christian I don't base my morality on what Hitler or the Pope does or thinks is politically expedient, which is why the Catholic church preaches against the evils of building walls while ignoring the mass genocide of abortion, just like they failed to publically condemn the Holocaust.

As for the teachings of Darwin and Christ, which is to blame the most for the atrocities of the Holocaust?

Here is what Darwin wrote:

“With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.

The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, if so urged by hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with a certain and great present evil. Hence we must bear without complaining the undoubtedly bad effects of the weak surviving and propagating their kind; but there appears to be at least one check in steady action, namely the weaker and inferior members of society not marrying so freely as the sound; and this check might be indefinitely increased, though this is more to be hoped for than expected, by the weak in body or mind refraining from marriage.”

So Darwin writes that the weak in society is dragging the human race downward, but for some inexplicable reason says we should have a noble nature and care for them instead of exterminate them. Now what does nobility have to do with science again? Hitler just took the science part and threw away the morality part that men like Jesus preached about.

As for the gospels, the gospel plainly points out that Christ laid down his life that neither Roman nor Jew was responsible.

John 10:18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."

So don't blame the gospels.

Also know that as Hitler rose to power Eugenics and racism were firmly entrenched within the scientific community which did not help matters in the least.

As Darwin once said:

“At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state as we may hope, than the Caucasian and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.”

 

[james bond]

Such hatred and anger. Tsk tsk. I thought you and Jesus were supposed to love your enemies? But I am glad to hear you have sympathy for those "rich and curmudgeonous" Jews.

The 'toss away line' comes from Matthew 27:
24 When Pilate saw that he was accomplishing nothing, but that instead a riot was breaking out, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood,” he said. “You bear the responsibility.”
25 All the people answered, “His blood be on us and on our children!”

I'm not sure how the Canaanites got into this but you may rest assured, no atheist will blame God for the coronavirus.

First, stop the hypocrisy which is a revered trait of atheism. 'And all the people answered, “His blood be on us and on our children!”' Matthew 27-25

It's a mistaken belief that the Jews have a blood curse because they killed Jesus. Your belief is sometimes used to justify antisemitism and feelings of prejudice against the Jewish people, but this is not what Jesus teaches us in Matthew. Your hypocrisy is evident in how you take things out of context. We do find the Jews did suffer greatly for their sinful utterance. Isn't that enough evidence for you?

However, that isn't my focus here. Where the blame should be squarely placed on is Charles Darwin, his family, and his explanation of Theory of Evolution as pseudoscientific racism.

It isn't my hatred and anger, but Hitler's against the Jews and people he despised for one reason or another. He would've done the same to Jesus, if he were alive, during that awful period based of Darwinism. Hitler was so awful, people thought he was the Antichrist; Hitler was awful, but this didn't turn out to be true.

We find throughout history that the egalitarian ideal of "all people are created equal," which dominates our Western ideology, has not been universal among nations and cultures. I've argued that social Darwinism where Darwin got his "survival of the fittest"slogan led to the eugenics movement. Darwin used it in his Origin of Species book to describe natural selection. Nothing could be further from the truth. Darwin was wrong again. You were wrong once again. Atheists are usually wrong.

Lastly, Darwin was an avid supporter of eugenics which led to its form of genocide and holocaust in the US against blacks.

‘ … modern eugenics thought arose only in the nineteenth century. The emergence of interest in eugenics during that century had multiple roots. The most important was the theory of evolution, for Francis Galton’s ideas on eugenics — and it was he who created the term “eugenics” — were a direct logical outgrowth of the scientific doctrine elaborated by his cousin, Charles Darwin.’ *

* Ludmerer, K., Eugenics, In: Encyclopedia of Bioethics, Edited by Mark Lappe, The Free Press, New York, p. 457, 1978

 

[Cecilie1200]

In the midst of the plague, I thought this thread would lift a few spirits in terms of how Christ has helped change the world when it comes to health care.

Christian History Timeline: Healthcare and Hospitals in the Mission of the Church | Christian History Magazine

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— Early 2nd century: Christians by this time have developed church infrastructure to assist the sick. This assistance is usually led by deacons and deaconesses and focuses on palliative care.
— Late 2nd century: Galen (c. 131–201) practices as a physician and publishes the medical treatises that will form the basis of Western medicine for centuries.
— 250–51: Devastating plague spreads throughout the Western Roman Empire, causing the church to expand its program of benevolence. The church at Rome is said to minister to 1,500 widows and others in need, spending annually an estimated 500,000 to 1,000,000 sesterces.
— 4th century: Bishops in the eastern half of the empire begin to establish xenodocheia as Christian welfare institutions for the sick and poor.
— 330: Basil of Caesarea (c. 330–379) is born into a Christian family from Cappadocia in Asia Minor (central Turkey).
—360: Basil founds his hospital in Cappadocia; he is ordained bishop in 370.
— The decades after 370: In Constantinople, Alexandria, and throughout the Eastern empire, many hospitals are founded on the example of Basil’s great “Basileum.”
— Late 4th century: John Chrysostom (c. 349–407) tells us that the Great Church in Antioch, Syria, supported 3,000 widows and unmarried women, as well as the sick, the poor, and travelers.
— Late 4th century: Fabiola (d. 399?) establishes first Roman hospitals.
— 540: The Nestorians, having been forced to flee after the Council of Ephesus (431) declared them heretics, found a hospital at Gondishapur on the Persian Gulf which becomes a center of medical knowledge from a number of traditions: Persian, Alexandrian, Greek, Jewish, Hindu, and Chinese.
— 526: Benedict of Nursia (c. 480–c. 530) founds his monastery at Monte Cassino. His Rule emphasizes hospitality to the stranger.
— 541–749: Repeated waves of bubonic plague strike and devastate the Eastern empire.
— 549–580: First hospitals founded in France and Spain.
— 7th century: Isidore of Seville (c. 560–636) publishes Etymologiae, an encyclopedia of classical learning that includes a lengthy guide to Greek medicine.
— 7th century: The Venerable Bede (c. 672–735) collects and publishes medical writings.
— 9th century: Medical School at Salerno founded.
— 937: First hospital built in England.
— 9th–10th centuries: Benedictine monks in the West preserve ancient medical science during a time of unrest as they copy medical manuscripts, maintain herb gardens, and experiment with elixirs to cure diseases. Hospitals enter period of decline, lack of funds, and in some cases destruction, but many bishops and clergy still work to do what they can for the poor.
— 9th–10th centuries: Jerusalem Hospital founded by a community of Augustinians.
— 1099: First Crusade arrives in Jerusalem and new building erected for the Jerusalem Hospital, funded by donations of grateful and wealthy crusaders.
— By 11th century: a succession of Benedictine monks at the Medical School at Salerno, in cooperation with Jewish translators, have translated many Greek and Arabic medical texts into Latin, re-introducing them to the West. The most popular translated texts are known as the Articella (Little Art of Medicine) and include Hippocrates and Galen.
— 12th century: Religious orders devoted to the care of the sick begin to arise, most of them following the Rule of St. Augustine (based on writings of St. Augustine of Hippo [354–430] although not traceable directly to him).
— 12th century: Observers describe the hospital in Jerusalem as capable of
housing around 1,000 patients in as many as 11 wards. Muslim and Jewish patients are welcome too, and are fed chicken in place of pork.
— Early 12th century: Franciscan order of mendicant (“begging&rdquo brothers arises from the life and work of Francis of Assisi (1182–1226). ranciscans and other similar orders (Dominicans, Carmelites) originally own no property, and emphasize works of mercy and identification with the poor.
— 1113: Brothers of Hospital of St. John, later Knights Hospitaller, established as first international religious order.
— 12th century: Master Raymond du Puy (1120–1160) instructs the Knights Hospitaller on “How our Lords the Sick should be received and served.”
— 12th century: Full development of the doctrine of purgatory out of earlier ideas of the necessity of doing penance for sins. This provides further impetus for Christian almsgiving. — 1136: Construction begins on the Pantokrator, the greatest of Byzantine hospitals.
— c. 1145–early 13th century: Augustinian brothers from Montpellier in France organize hospitals dedicated to the Holy Spirit, first in France and then (1204) in Rome. The order and the hospitals founded by them spread widely throughout Europe.
— 1157: Cistercians (a reform movement of Benedictines) forbid monk physicians to treat laypeople. (This is in part to prevent them from developing lucrative and distracting private businesses.)
— 1187: Saladin captures Jerusalem and forces Knights Hospitaller to leave. They found other hospitals in the Holy Land.
— 1191: Teutonic Order founded in the Holy Land as a brotherhood devoted to the service of the sick; later moves its base of operations to Germany.
— 12th–13th century: The rise of the mendicants and devotion to the Passion radically increases the number of hospitals founded in Western Europe. Hundreds of leprosaria are also built to deal with an epidemic of leprosy. — Early 13th century: Pope Innocent III (1160–1216, made pope 1198) promotes the new outpouring of piety among the mendicant orders.
— 1207: Innocent III adds “burying the dead” to the six works of mercy noted in Matthew 25 (feeding the hungry, giving drink to the thirsty, giving shelter to strangers, clothing the naked, visiting the sick, visiting the imprisoned); these became known as the Seven Comfortable Works.
— 13th century: Elizabeth of Hungary (1207–1231) becomes a symbol of Christian charity; widowed at 20, she gives her wealth to the poor and builds hospitals.
— 13th century: Regimen sanitatis salernitatum is compiled, one of the most famous of medieval “regimens”; it supposedly originates at the Medical School at Salerno.
— 13th century: Earliest known contracts for public physicians (employed by towns and cities) in Italy. This system spreads throughout Europe by the early 16th century.
— 13th–16th centuries: Over 150 hospitals founded in Germany.
— 14th century: Black Death (probably bubonic plague) ravages Europe. St. Roche (1295?–1370) becomes known for his miraculous cures of many plague
sufferers.
— 14th–15th centuries: Guilds of surgeons, barbers, and physicians
begin to develop in Europe.
— 16th century: Order of St. John of God begins building hospitals for the insane in Spain.

What about poor Native Americans, hunted by Christians with dogs fed with human meat?

What about the Catholic priests who spearheaded efforts to have the North American aborigines treated humanely?

You wanna cherrypick history, we can do that.

 

[Cecilie1200]

After the apostolic age of miracles and healings, Christians have come up with the next best thing.

Since when to miracles stop or have stopped?

Trump won an election, didn't he?

LOL.

God didn't do that. Americans started waking up.

And thank God they did.

Assuming that's true, why do you think Americans waking up is NOT a miracle?

 

[Cecilie1200]

In the midst of the plague, I thought this thread would lift a few spirits in terms of how Christ has helped change the world when it comes to health care.

Christian History Timeline: Healthcare and Hospitals in the Mission of the Church | Christian History Magazine

Christian History Institute (CHI) provides church history resources and self-study material and publishes the quarterly Christian History Magazine. Our aim is to make Christian history enjoyable and applicable to the widest possible audience.

christianhistoryinstitute.org

— Early 2nd century: Christians by this time have developed church infrastructure to assist the sick. This assistance is usually led by deacons and deaconesses and focuses on palliative care.
— Late 2nd century: Galen (c. 131–201) practices as a physician and publishes the medical treatises that will form the basis of Western medicine for centuries.
— 250–51: Devastating plague spreads throughout the Western Roman Empire, causing the church to expand its program of benevolence. The church at Rome is said to minister to 1,500 widows and others in need, spending annually an estimated 500,000 to 1,000,000 sesterces.
— 4th century: Bishops in the eastern half of the empire begin to establish xenodocheia as Christian welfare institutions for the sick and poor.
— 330: Basil of Caesarea (c. 330–379) is born into a Christian family from Cappadocia in Asia Minor (central Turkey).
—360: Basil founds his hospital in Cappadocia; he is ordained bishop in 370.
— The decades after 370: In Constantinople, Alexandria, and throughout the Eastern empire, many hospitals are founded on the example of Basil’s great “Basileum.”
— Late 4th century: John Chrysostom (c. 349–407) tells us that the Great Church in Antioch, Syria, supported 3,000 widows and unmarried women, as well as the sick, the poor, and travelers.
— Late 4th century: Fabiola (d. 399?) establishes first Roman hospitals.
— 540: The Nestorians, having been forced to flee after the Council of Ephesus (431) declared them heretics, found a hospital at Gondishapur on the Persian Gulf which becomes a center of medical knowledge from a number of traditions: Persian, Alexandrian, Greek, Jewish, Hindu, and Chinese.
— 526: Benedict of Nursia (c. 480–c. 530) founds his monastery at Monte Cassino. His Rule emphasizes hospitality to the stranger.
— 541–749: Repeated waves of bubonic plague strike and devastate the Eastern empire.
— 549–580: First hospitals founded in France and Spain.
— 7th century: Isidore of Seville (c. 560–636) publishes Etymologiae, an encyclopedia of classical learning that includes a lengthy guide to Greek medicine.
— 7th century: The Venerable Bede (c. 672–735) collects and publishes medical writings.
— 9th century: Medical School at Salerno founded.
— 937: First hospital built in England.
— 9th–10th centuries: Benedictine monks in the West preserve ancient medical science during a time of unrest as they copy medical manuscripts, maintain herb gardens, and experiment with elixirs to cure diseases. Hospitals enter period of decline, lack of funds, and in some cases destruction, but many bishops and clergy still work to do what they can for the poor.
— 9th–10th centuries: Jerusalem Hospital founded by a community of Augustinians.
— 1099: First Crusade arrives in Jerusalem and new building erected for the Jerusalem Hospital, funded by donations of grateful and wealthy crusaders.
— By 11th century: a succession of Benedictine monks at the Medical School at Salerno, in cooperation with Jewish translators, have translated many Greek and Arabic medical texts into Latin, re-introducing them to the West. The most popular translated texts are known as the Articella (Little Art of Medicine) and include Hippocrates and Galen.
— 12th century: Religious orders devoted to the care of the sick begin to arise, most of them following the Rule of St. Augustine (based on writings of St. Augustine of Hippo [354–430] although not traceable directly to him).
— 12th century: Observers describe the hospital in Jerusalem as capable of
housing around 1,000 patients in as many as 11 wards. Muslim and Jewish patients are welcome too, and are fed chicken in place of pork.
— Early 12th century: Franciscan order of mendicant (“begging&rdquo brothers arises from the life and work of Francis of Assisi (1182–1226). ranciscans and other similar orders (Dominicans, Carmelites) originally own no property, and emphasize works of mercy and identification with the poor.
— 1113: Brothers of Hospital of St. John, later Knights Hospitaller, established as first international religious order.
— 12th century: Master Raymond du Puy (1120–1160) instructs the Knights Hospitaller on “How our Lords the Sick should be received and served.”
— 12th century: Full development of the doctrine of purgatory out of earlier ideas of the necessity of doing penance for sins. This provides further impetus for Christian almsgiving. — 1136: Construction begins on the Pantokrator, the greatest of Byzantine hospitals.
— c. 1145–early 13th century: Augustinian brothers from Montpellier in France organize hospitals dedicated to the Holy Spirit, first in France and then (1204) in Rome. The order and the hospitals founded by them spread widely throughout Europe.
— 1157: Cistercians (a reform movement of Benedictines) forbid monk physicians to treat laypeople. (This is in part to prevent them from developing lucrative and distracting private businesses.)
— 1187: Saladin captures Jerusalem and forces Knights Hospitaller to leave. They found other hospitals in the Holy Land.
— 1191: Teutonic Order founded in the Holy Land as a brotherhood devoted to the service of the sick; later moves its base of operations to Germany.
— 12th–13th century: The rise of the mendicants and devotion to the Passion radically increases the number of hospitals founded in Western Europe. Hundreds of leprosaria are also built to deal with an epidemic of leprosy. — Early 13th century: Pope Innocent III (1160–1216, made pope 1198) promotes the new outpouring of piety among the mendicant orders.
— 1207: Innocent III adds “burying the dead” to the six works of mercy noted in Matthew 25 (feeding the hungry, giving drink to the thirsty, giving shelter to strangers, clothing the naked, visiting the sick, visiting the imprisoned); these became known as the Seven Comfortable Works.
— 13th century: Elizabeth of Hungary (1207–1231) becomes a symbol of Christian charity; widowed at 20, she gives her wealth to the poor and builds hospitals.
— 13th century: Regimen sanitatis salernitatum is compiled, one of the most famous of medieval “regimens”; it supposedly originates at the Medical School at Salerno.
— 13th century: Earliest known contracts for public physicians (employed by towns and cities) in Italy. This system spreads throughout Europe by the early 16th century.
— 13th–16th centuries: Over 150 hospitals founded in Germany.
— 14th century: Black Death (probably bubonic plague) ravages Europe. St. Roche (1295?–1370) becomes known for his miraculous cures of many plague
sufferers.
— 14th–15th centuries: Guilds of surgeons, barbers, and physicians
begin to develop in Europe.
— 16th century: Order of St. John of God begins building hospitals for the insane in Spain.

What about poor Native Americans, hunted by Christians with dogs fed with human meat?

Why stop there? Why not mention the Catholic church persecuting Jews for centuries, making them wear a star of David, kicking them out of entire countries, putting them in ghettos, and rounding them all up and killing them in mass? Essentially, everything that was done to the Jews in the Holocaust was done centuries, prior, only it was done more efficiently. In fact, Hitler claimed publically to be a Christian as well.

But whether it is hunting down Jews or Indians or infidels or Stalin, who was an avowed atheist, hunting down political opponents and people of faith, the underlying commonality of all of them is the power of the state.

The state, by far, is the one entity in the history of humanity that has murdered more people than any other human institution.

Christ tried to warn us.

John 18 New International Version (NIV)Jesus Arrested


Jesus Before Pilate
28 Then the Jewish leaders took Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness they did not enter the palace, because they wanted to be able to eat the Passover. 29 So Pilate came out to them and asked, “What charges are you bringing against this man?”

30 “If he were not a criminal,” they replied, “we would not have handed him over to you.”

31 Pilate said, “Take him yourselves and judge him by your own law.”

“But we have no right to execute anyone,” they objected. 32 This took place to fulfill what Jesus had said about the kind of death he was going to die.

33 Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?”

34 “Is that your own idea,” Jesus asked, “or did others talk to you about me?”

35 “Am I a Jew?” Pilate replied. “Your own people and chief priests handed you over to me. What is it you have done?”

36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”

37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate.

Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”

38 “What is truth?” retorted Pilate. With this he went out again to the Jews gathered there and said, “I find no basis for a charge against him. 39 But it is your custom for me to release to you one prisoner at the time of the Passover. Do you want me to release ‘the king of the Jews’?”

40 They shouted back, “No, not him! Give us Barabbas!” Now Barabbas had taken part in an uprising.

Don't try to cover up the unforgivable atrocities of Christians, who first converted the native inhabitants of America to Christianity, and then threw them into a fire, hung them or threw them to be torn apart by dogs, with the theses about the "persecution of Jews". This is an old-old trick!!!
By the way, today, as I see, the Catholic Church has become completely Jewish today. And if we take into account the secret negotiations that have been going on for more than twenty-five years to unite the Catholic and Jewish churches ...

"Christians weren't always perfect, so that means they never ever did anything positive at all, because I'm morally perfect enough to judge others for being flawed!"

Move along, Spanky.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Christian history isn't much to celebrate. It was just a blip in the human drama.

Other than the fact that it built Western civilization, it was a big yawner, huh?

 

[alang1216]

Wonderful, thank you. Instead of debunking my position you show that Christians still maintain the ugly stereotypes of the Middle Ages.

No ugly stereotype. Just giving it to you up your rear end so you REMEMBER it. So you and your family won't be accusing Christians of creating Hitler. Own your evolution and its relative, eugenics. It's full of hate just like you and Darwin.

More ugliness and hate, you really just keep on giving. Namely giving Christians bad name. I'm pretty sure Jesus never said "Just giving it to you up your rear end so you REMEMBER it".

As I have said before, the one common theme for oppressing Jews, whether it be socialist Nazi Germany, or the Catholic church that now leans left, has been the state oppressing them at the root of it. No other institution in human history has been responsible for the number of murders and slaves as has the state, a state Christ had nothing to do with. And no, being a Christian I don't base my morality on what Hitler or the Pope does or thinks is politically expedient, which is why the Catholic church preaches against the evils of building walls while ignoring the mass genocide of abortion, just like they failed to publically condemn the Holocaust.

As for the teachings of Darwin and Christ, which is to blame the most for the atrocities of the Holocaust?

Here is what Darwin wrote:

“With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.

The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, if so urged by hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with a certain and great present evil. Hence we must bear without complaining the undoubtedly bad effects of the weak surviving and propagating their kind; but there appears to be at least one check in steady action, namely the weaker and inferior members of society not marrying so freely as the sound; and this check might be indefinitely increased, though this is more to be hoped for than expected, by the weak in body or mind refraining from marriage.”

So Darwin writes that the weak in society is dragging the human race downward, but for some inexplicable reason says we should have a noble nature and care for them instead of exterminate them. Now what does nobility have to do with science again? Hitler just took the science part and threw away the morality part that men like Jesus preached about.

As for the gospels, the gospel plainly points out that Christ laid down his life that neither Roman nor Jew was responsible.

John 10:18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."

So don't blame the gospels.

Also know that as Hitler rose to power Eugenics and racism were firmly entrenched within the scientific community which did not help matters in the least.

As Darwin once said:

“At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state as we may hope, than the Caucasian and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.”

I'm glad you feel morally superior to a man who lived at the time of Queen Victoria and slavery in the US but I'm not the only one who feels as I do:

The New Testament and Christian antisemitism

According to Rabbi Michael J. Cook, Professor of Intertestamental and Early Christian Literature at the Hebrew Union College, there are ten themes in the New Testament that have been a source of anti-Judaism and antisemitism:[17]

1. The Jews are culpable for crucifying Jesus - as such they are guilty of deicide.
2. The tribulations of the Jewish people throughout history constitute God's punishment of them for killing Jesus.
3. Jesus originally came to preach only to the Jews, but when they rejected him, he abandoned them for gentiles instead.
4. The Children of Israel were God's original chosen people by virtue of an ancient covenant, but by rejecting Jesus they forfeited their chosenness - and now, by virtue of a New Covenant (or "testament"), Christians have replaced the Jews as God's chosen people, the Church having become the "People of God."
5. The Jewish Bible ("Old" Testament) repeatedly portrays the opaqueness and stubbornness of the Jewish people and their disloyalty to God.
6. The Jewish Bible contains many predictions of the coming of Jesus as the Messiah (or "Christ"), yet the Jews are blind to the meaning of their own Bible.
7. By the time of Jesus' ministry, Judaism had ceased to be a living faith.
8. Judaism's essence is a restrictive and burdensome legalism.
9. Christianity emphasizes love, while Judaism stands for justice and a God of wrath.
10. Judaism's oppressiveness reflects the disposition of Jesus' opponents called "Pharisees" (predecessors of the "rabbis"), who in their teachings and behavior were hypocrites (see Woes of the Pharisees).

 

[norwegen]

After the apostolic age of miracles and healings, Christians have come up with the next best thing.

Since when to miracles stop or have stopped?

Trump won an election, didn't he?

LOL.

God didn't do that. Americans started waking up.

And thank God they did.

Assuming that's true, why do you think Americans waking up is NOT a miracle?

Because it doesn't have to be explained in supernatural contexts.

 

[norwegen]

Christian history isn't much to celebrate. It was just a blip in the human drama.

Other than the fact that it built Western civilization, it was a big yawner, huh?

That was sarcasm.

 

[alang1216]

Such hatred and anger. Tsk tsk. I thought you and Jesus were supposed to love your enemies? But I am glad to hear you have sympathy for those "rich and curmudgeonous" Jews.

The 'toss away line' comes from Matthew 27:
24 When Pilate saw that he was accomplishing nothing, but that instead a riot was breaking out, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood,” he said. “You bear the responsibility.”
25 All the people answered, “His blood be on us and on our children!”

I'm not sure how the Canaanites got into this but you may rest assured, no atheist will blame God for the coronavirus.

First, stop the hypocrisy which is a revered trait of atheism. 'And all the people answered, “His blood be on us and on our children!”' Matthew 27-25

It's a mistaken belief that the Jews have a blood curse because they killed Jesus. Your belief is sometimes used to justify antisemitism and feelings of prejudice against the Jewish people, but this is not what Jesus teaches us in Matthew. Your hypocrisy is evident in how you take things out of context. We do find the Jews did suffer greatly for their sinful utterance. Isn't that enough evidence for you?

However, that isn't my focus here. Where the blame should be squarely placed on is Charles Darwin, his family, and his explanation of Theory of Evolution as pseudoscientific racism.

It isn't my hatred and anger, but Hitler's against the Jews and people he despised for one reason or another. He would've done the same to Jesus, if he were alive, during that awful period based of Darwinism. Hitler was so awful, people thought he was the Antichrist; Hitler was awful, but this didn't turn out to be true.

We find throughout history that the egalitarian ideal of "all people are created equal," which dominates our Western ideology, has not been universal among nations and cultures. I've argued that social Darwinism where Darwin got his "survival of the fittest"slogan led to the eugenics movement. Darwin used it in his Origin of Species book to describe natural selection. Nothing could be further from the truth. Darwin was wrong again. You were wrong once again. Atheists are usually wrong.

Lastly, Darwin was an avid supporter of eugenics which led to its form of genocide and holocaust in the US against blacks.

‘ … modern eugenics thought arose only in the nineteenth century. The emergence of interest in eugenics during that century had multiple roots. The most important was the theory of evolution, for Francis Galton’s ideas on eugenics — and it was he who created the term “eugenics” — were a direct logical outgrowth of the scientific doctrine elaborated by his cousin, Charles Darwin.’ *

* Ludmerer, K., Eugenics, In: Encyclopedia of Bioethics, Edited by Mark Lappe, The Free Press, New York, p. 457, 1978

The Origins of Christian Anti-Semitism

Prof. Pieter van der Horst

• Christian anti-Semitism began much later than Jesus’ life. In the gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, which are the historically more reliable ones, Jesus views himself as a messenger of God to the Jews and as a member of the Jewish people.
• The New Testament has several anti-Semitic elements in its chronologically latest documents. The Gospel of John has Jesus call the Jews “sons of the devil.” There is also a case of an anti-Jewish outburst by the Apostle Paul.
• The split between Jewish and gentile Christians brought with it the beginning of Christian anti-Jewish sentiments. In creating a new identity for itself, Christianity attacked the old religion as fiercely as it could, including demonization.
• Toward the end of the fourth century, much-publicized sermons of the church father John Chrysostom combined Christian anti-Jewish elements derived from the New Testament with earlier pagan ones. These themes were gradually integrated into the anti-Jewish discourse of the church.

The Crucifixion of Jesus and the Jews
by Mark Allan Powell
Jesus was crucified as a Jewish victim of Roman violence. On this, all written authorities agree. A Gentile Roman governor, Pontius Pilate, condemned him to death and had him tortured and executed by Gentile Roman soldiers. Jesus was indeed one of thousands of Jews crucified by the Romans.
The New Testament testifies to this basic fact but also allows for Jewish involvement in two ways. First, a few high-ranking Jewish authorities who owed their position and power to the Romans conspired with the Gentile leaders to have Jesus put to death; they are said to have been jealous of Jesus and to have viewed him as a threat to the status quo. Second, an unruly mob of people in Jerusalem called out for Jesus to be crucified—the number of persons in this crowd is not given, nor is any motive supplied for their action (except to say that they had been “stirred up,” Mark 15:11).
Whatever the historical circumstances might have been, early Christian tradition clearly and increasingly placed blame for the death of Jesus on the Jews, decreasing the Romans’ culpability. In Matthew, the Roman governor washes his hands of Jesus’ blood while the Jews proclaim, “His blood be on us and on our children!” (Matt 27:25). John’s Gospel portrays Jews as wanting to kill Jesus throughout his ministry (John 5:18, John 7:1, John 8:37). Similar sentiments are found elsewhere, including writings by Paul, who, himself a Jew, had once persecuted Christians (1Thess 2:14-15, Phil 3:5-6).
The reasons for this shift in emphasis are unclear, but one obvious possibility is that, as the church spread out into the world, Romans rather than Jews became the primary targets of evangelism; thus there could have been some motivation to let Romans “off the hook” and blame the Jews for Jesus’ death. This tendency seems to have increased dramatically after the Roman war with the Jews in the late 60s.
In any case, by the middle of the second century, the apocryphal Gospel of Peter portrays the Romans as friends of Jesus, and the Jews as the ones who crucify him. Thus, a Jewish victim of Roman violence was transformed into a Christian victim of Jewish violence. For centuries, such notions fueled anti-Semitism, leading to a crass denunciation of Jews as “Christ-killers.”
Contrary to such projections, Christian theology has always maintained that the human agents responsible for Jesus’ death are irrelevant: he gave his life willingly as a sacrifice for sin (Mark 10:45; John 18:11). Christians regularly confess that it was their sins (not the misdeeds of either Romans or Jews) that brought Jesus to the cross (Rom 5:8-9; 1Tim 1:15). In most liturgical churches, when Matthew’s Passion Narrative is read in a worship service, all members of the congregation are invited to echo Matt 27:25 aloud, crying, “Let his blood be upon us and upon our children!”
Mark Allan Powell, "Crucifixion of Jesus and the Jews", n.p. [cited 3 Apr 2020]. Online: https://www.bibleodyssey.org:443/en/passages/related-articles/crucifixion-of-jesus-and-the-jews

Gospel of Peter

Gospel of Peter: apocryphal text about Jesus' trial, burial, and resurrection. The text breaks off when we expect the risen Christ to appear to his disciples

The Gospel of Peter is part of a small book that was discovered in the Egyptian desert by French archaeologists in 1886 or 1887; the book was written at the end of the sixth century, but the text itself dates back to the second half of the second century. It describes Jesus' trial, his burial, resurrection and breaks off when we expect the risen Christ to appear to his disciples. (The original text must have been longer.) Since Peter is the one who tells the story, this text is usually called the Gospel of Peter, although it is uncertain whether this is the real title.

It should be stressed that the tone of this text is anti-Semitic; e.g., the Jewish king Herod Antipas is held responsible for the crucifixion, which was to the best of our knowledge a Roman punishment. Mistakes like this one should be sufficient to ignore this text as a source for the study of the historical Jesus, although it confirms the date of the crucifixion that is mentioned in the Gospel of John ("before the first day of the feast of the Unleavened Bread"). On the other hand, the Gospel of Peter is an important source for the opinions (some) of the first Christians.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Christian history isn't much to celebrate. It was just a blip in the human drama.

Other than the fact that it built Western civilization, it was a big yawner, huh?

That was sarcasm.

So was mine.

 

[Cecilie1200]

After the apostolic age of miracles and healings, Christians have come up with the next best thing.

Since when to miracles stop or have stopped?

Trump won an election, didn't he?

LOL.

God didn't do that. Americans started waking up.

And thank God they did.

Assuming that's true, why do you think Americans waking up is NOT a miracle?

Because it doesn't have to be explained in supernatural contexts.

I dunno. I've been watching American society for 51 years now, and I'm not sure people waking the fuck up from their apathy can be explained any OTHER way.

 

[norwegen]

After the apostolic age of miracles and healings, Christians have come up with the next best thing.

Since when to miracles stop or have stopped?

Trump won an election, didn't he?

LOL.

God didn't do that. Americans started waking up.

And thank God they did.

Assuming that's true, why do you think Americans waking up is NOT a miracle?

Because it doesn't have to be explained in supernatural contexts.

I dunno. I've been watching American society for 51 years now, and I'm not sure people waking the fuck up from their apathy can be explained any OTHER way.

Well, why would God have to do what Trump was able to do? The man's a dynamo.

 

[Cecilie1200]

After the apostolic age of miracles and healings, Christians have come up with the next best thing.

Since when to miracles stop or have stopped?

Trump won an election, didn't he?

LOL.

God didn't do that. Americans started waking up.

And thank God they did.

Assuming that's true, why do you think Americans waking up is NOT a miracle?

Because it doesn't have to be explained in supernatural contexts.

I dunno. I've been watching American society for 51 years now, and I'm not sure people waking the fuck up from their apathy can be explained any OTHER way.

Well, why would God have to do what Trump was able to do? The man's a dynamo.

God works through humans, often as not. And hey, if He can speak through the jawbone of an ass, there's no reason He can't work through Donald Trump, right?

 

[james bond]

Such hatred and anger. Tsk tsk. I thought you and Jesus were supposed to love your enemies? But I am glad to hear you have sympathy for those "rich and curmudgeonous" Jews.

The 'toss away line' comes from Matthew 27:
24 When Pilate saw that he was accomplishing nothing, but that instead a riot was breaking out, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood,” he said. “You bear the responsibility.”
25 All the people answered, “His blood be on us and on our children!”

I'm not sure how the Canaanites got into this but you may rest assured, no atheist will blame God for the coronavirus.

First, stop the hypocrisy which is a revered trait of atheism. 'And all the people answered, “His blood be on us and on our children!”' Matthew 27-25

It's a mistaken belief that the Jews have a blood curse because they killed Jesus. Your belief is sometimes used to justify antisemitism and feelings of prejudice against the Jewish people, but this is not what Jesus teaches us in Matthew. Your hypocrisy is evident in how you take things out of context. We do find the Jews did suffer greatly for their sinful utterance. Isn't that enough evidence for you?

However, that isn't my focus here. Where the blame should be squarely placed on is Charles Darwin, his family, and his explanation of Theory of Evolution as pseudoscientific racism.

It isn't my hatred and anger, but Hitler's against the Jews and people he despised for one reason or another. He would've done the same to Jesus, if he were alive, during that awful period based of Darwinism. Hitler was so awful, people thought he was the Antichrist; Hitler was awful, but this didn't turn out to be true.

We find throughout history that the egalitarian ideal of "all people are created equal," which dominates our Western ideology, has not been universal among nations and cultures. I've argued that social Darwinism where Darwin got his "survival of the fittest"slogan led to the eugenics movement. Darwin used it in his Origin of Species book to describe natural selection. Nothing could be further from the truth. Darwin was wrong again. You were wrong once again. Atheists are usually wrong.

Lastly, Darwin was an avid supporter of eugenics which led to its form of genocide and holocaust in the US against blacks.

‘ … modern eugenics thought arose only in the nineteenth century. The emergence of interest in eugenics during that century had multiple roots. The most important was the theory of evolution, for Francis Galton’s ideas on eugenics — and it was he who created the term “eugenics” — were a direct logical outgrowth of the scientific doctrine elaborated by his cousin, Charles Darwin.’ *

* Ludmerer, K., Eugenics, In: Encyclopedia of Bioethics, Edited by Mark Lappe, The Free Press, New York, p. 457, 1978

The Origins of Christian Anti-Semitism

Prof. Pieter van der Horst

• Christian anti-Semitism began much later than Jesus’ life. In the gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, which are the historically more reliable ones, Jesus views himself as a messenger of God to the Jews and as a member of the Jewish people.
• The New Testament has several anti-Semitic elements in its chronologically latest documents. The Gospel of John has Jesus call the Jews “sons of the devil.” There is also a case of an anti-Jewish outburst by the Apostle Paul.
• The split between Jewish and gentile Christians brought with it the beginning of Christian anti-Jewish sentiments. In creating a new identity for itself, Christianity attacked the old religion as fiercely as it could, including demonization.
• Toward the end of the fourth century, much-publicized sermons of the church father John Chrysostom combined Christian anti-Jewish elements derived from the New Testament with earlier pagan ones. These themes were gradually integrated into the anti-Jewish discourse of the church.

The Crucifixion of Jesus and the Jews
by Mark Allan Powell
Jesus was crucified as a Jewish victim of Roman violence. On this, all written authorities agree. A Gentile Roman governor, Pontius Pilate, condemned him to death and had him tortured and executed by Gentile Roman soldiers. Jesus was indeed one of thousands of Jews crucified by the Romans.
The New Testament testifies to this basic fact but also allows for Jewish involvement in two ways. First, a few high-ranking Jewish authorities who owed their position and power to the Romans conspired with the Gentile leaders to have Jesus put to death; they are said to have been jealous of Jesus and to have viewed him as a threat to the status quo. Second, an unruly mob of people in Jerusalem called out for Jesus to be crucified—the number of persons in this crowd is not given, nor is any motive supplied for their action (except to say that they had been “stirred up,” Mark 15:11).
Whatever the historical circumstances might have been, early Christian tradition clearly and increasingly placed blame for the death of Jesus on the Jews, decreasing the Romans’ culpability. In Matthew, the Roman governor washes his hands of Jesus’ blood while the Jews proclaim, “His blood be on us and on our children!” (Matt 27:25). John’s Gospel portrays Jews as wanting to kill Jesus throughout his ministry (John 5:18, John 7:1, John 8:37). Similar sentiments are found elsewhere, including writings by Paul, who, himself a Jew, had once persecuted Christians (1Thess 2:14-15, Phil 3:5-6).
The reasons for this shift in emphasis are unclear, but one obvious possibility is that, as the church spread out into the world, Romans rather than Jews became the primary targets of evangelism; thus there could have been some motivation to let Romans “off the hook” and blame the Jews for Jesus’ death. This tendency seems to have increased dramatically after the Roman war with the Jews in the late 60s.
In any case, by the middle of the second century, the apocryphal Gospel of Peter portrays the Romans as friends of Jesus, and the Jews as the ones who crucify him. Thus, a Jewish victim of Roman violence was transformed into a Christian victim of Jewish violence. For centuries, such notions fueled anti-Semitism, leading to a crass denunciation of Jews as “Christ-killers.”
Contrary to such projections, Christian theology has always maintained that the human agents responsible for Jesus’ death are irrelevant: he gave his life willingly as a sacrifice for sin (Mark 10:45; John 18:11). Christians regularly confess that it was their sins (not the misdeeds of either Romans or Jews) that brought Jesus to the cross (Rom 5:8-9; 1Tim 1:15). In most liturgical churches, when Matthew’s Passion Narrative is read in a worship service, all members of the congregation are invited to echo Matt 27:25 aloud, crying, “Let his blood be upon us and upon our children!”
Mark Allan Powell, "Crucifixion of Jesus and the Jews", n.p. [cited 3 Apr 2020]. Online: https://www.bibleodyssey.org:443/en/passages/related-articles/crucifixion-of-jesus-and-the-jews
Gospel of Peter

Gospel of Peter: apocryphal text about Jesus' trial, burial, and resurrection. The text breaks off when we expect the risen Christ to appear to his disciples

The Gospel of Peter is part of a small book that was discovered in the Egyptian desert by French archaeologists in 1886 or 1887; the book was written at the end of the sixth century, but the text itself dates back to the second half of the second century. It describes Jesus' trial, his burial, resurrection and breaks off when we expect the risen Christ to appear to his disciples. (The original text must have been longer.) Since Peter is the one who tells the story, this text is usually called the Gospel of Peter, although it is uncertain whether this is the real title.

It should be stressed that the tone of this text is anti-Semitic; e.g., the Jewish king Herod Antipas is held responsible for the crucifixion, which was to the best of our knowledge a Roman punishment. Mistakes like this one should be sufficient to ignore this text as a source for the study of the historical Jesus, although it confirms the date of the crucifixion that is mentioned in the Gospel of John ("before the first day of the feast of the Unleavened Bread"). On the other hand, the Gospel of Peter is an important source for the opinions (some) of the first Christians.

You could not rebut any of my arguments. What does it have to do with Hitler, Charles Darwin, Aryan superiority, eugenics in Germany and America, Planned Parenthood, blacks, etc? Yes, it was the Jews who crucified Jesus and they paid dearly for their blood comments. There is no question over this.

Are you now saying that antisemitism is in the Bible? You are scouring your toilet bowl of sources (your last one helps me) just to vilify God's word, Jesus, and Christians again. Who are Prof. Pieter van der Horst and Mark Allan Powell?

 

[Votto]

Perhaps this is why Jesus is the ONLY figure in human history that all religions believe was a man of God.

This seems a bold statement and totally with a basis. Jews don't consider him a prophet. I doubt if Hindus or Buddhists do either (just a guess, I don't know much about either). Aside from Christians, it seems only Muslims revere him, just not so much as Muhammad.

Yes, the Jews are hesitant in considering him to be a prophet for obvious reasons. You generally don't anoint someone a saint after condemning them to death.

But yea, everyone else pretty much does consider him a man of God. As Ghandi once famously said, I like your Jesus but don't much like Christians, that is, his dealings with those who called themselves Christian.

But if you are honest, you will take account of how other prophets of God were treated by Jews, men who were murdered and oppressed for what God had to say to them that they did not like. If you ask me, the treatment of Jesus is pretty much the same as to how they treated prophets like Jeremiah

So since you reject Jesus as a prophet of God, let alone the Son of God, was his crucifix Ian and treatment justified in your opinion?

And this is not to dump on the Jews, rather, it is the mere fact that the vast majority of humans seem to take offense at a Holy God, which is why millions of Christians have been slaughtered throughout time for their faith. In fact, why does no one ever talk about the Armenian Genocide of Christians that slaughtered millions? Why did the UN not act when Christians in the Sudan were being slaughtered or act when Christians in Syria, but only seem to act when oil rich tyrants like Qaddafi get out of line?

 

[Newtonian]

Perhaps this is why Jesus is the ONLY figure in human history that all religions believe was a man of God.

This seems a bold statement and totally with a basis. Jews don't consider him a prophet. I doubt if Hindus or Buddhists do either (just a guess, I don't know much about either). Aside from Christians, it seems only Muslims revere him, just not so much as Muhammad.

Yes, the Jews are hesitant in considering him to be a prophet for obvious reasons. You generally don't anoint someone a saint after condemning them to death.

But yea, everyone else pretty much does consider him a man of God. As Ghandi once famously said, I like your Jesus but don't much like Christians, that is, his dealings with those who called themselves Christian.

But if you are honest, you will take account of how other prophets of God were treated by Jews, men who were murdered and oppressed for what God had to say to them that they did not like. If you ask me, the treatment of Jesus is pretty much the same as to how they treated prophets like Jeremiah

So since you reject Jesus as a prophet of God, let alone the Son of God, was his crucifix Ian and treatment justified in your opinion?

And this is not to dump on the Jews, rather, it is the mere fact that the vast majority of humans seem to take offense at a Holy God, which is why millions of Christians have been slaughtered throughout time for their faith. In fact, why does no one ever talk about the Armenian Genocide of Christians that slaughtered millions? Why did the UN not act when Christians in the Sudan were being slaughtered or act when Christians in Syria, but only seem to act when oil rich tyrants like Qaddafi get out of line?

Christendom has the most violent history of any group - more than Islam even. [A study of the Crusades proves this.] Gandhi tried to follow what Jesus' taught in his sermon on the mount, including for us to love our enemies (Matthew 5:44). The irony that a Hindu (Gandhi) tried to follow what Jesus actually taught while Christendom has done the opposite shows no one should celebrate the history of so-called Christianity.

 

[Newtonian]

Wonderful, thank you. Instead of debunking my position you show that Christians still maintain the ugly stereotypes of the Middle Ages.

No ugly stereotype. Just giving it to you up your rear end so you REMEMBER it. So you and your family won't be accusing Christians of creating Hitler. Own your evolution and its relative, eugenics. It's full of hate just like you and Darwin.

More ugliness and hate, you really just keep on giving. Namely giving Christians bad name. I'm pretty sure Jesus never said "Just giving it to you up your rear end so you REMEMBER it".

As I have said before, the one common theme for oppressing Jews, whether it be socialist Nazi Germany, or the Catholic church that now leans left, has been the state oppressing them at the root of it. No other institution in human history has been responsible for the number of murders and slaves as has the state, a state Christ had nothing to do with. And no, being a Christian I don't base my morality on what Hitler or the Pope does or thinks is politically expedient, which is why the Catholic church preaches against the evils of building walls while ignoring the mass genocide of abortion, just like they failed to publically condemn the Holocaust.

As for the teachings of Darwin and Christ, which is to blame the most for the atrocities of the Holocaust?

Here is what Darwin wrote:

“With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.

The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, if so urged by hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with a certain and great present evil. Hence we must bear without complaining the undoubtedly bad effects of the weak surviving and propagating their kind; but there appears to be at least one check in steady action, namely the weaker and inferior members of society not marrying so freely as the sound; and this check might be indefinitely increased, though this is more to be hoped for than expected, by the weak in body or mind refraining from marriage.”

So Darwin writes that the weak in society is dragging the human race downward, but for some inexplicable reason says we should have a noble nature and care for them instead of exterminate them. Now what does nobility have to do with science again? Hitler just took the science part and threw away the morality part that men like Jesus preached about.

As for the gospels, the gospel plainly points out that Christ laid down his life that neither Roman nor Jew was responsible.

John 10:18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."

So don't blame the gospels.

Also know that as Hitler rose to power Eugenics and racism were firmly entrenched within the scientific community which did not help matters in the least.

As Darwin once said:

“At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state as we may hope, than the Caucasian and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.”

I'm glad you feel morally superior to a man who lived at the time of Queen Victoria and slavery in the US but I'm not the only one who feels as I do:

The New Testament and Christian antisemitism

According to Rabbi Michael J. Cook, Professor of Intertestamental and Early Christian Literature at the Hebrew Union College, there are ten themes in the New Testament that have been a source of anti-Judaism and antisemitism:[17]

1. The Jews are culpable for crucifying Jesus - as such they are guilty of deicide.
2. The tribulations of the Jewish people throughout history constitute God's punishment of them for killing Jesus.
3. Jesus originally came to preach only to the Jews, but when they rejected him, he abandoned them for gentiles instead.
4. The Children of Israel were God's original chosen people by virtue of an ancient covenant, but by rejecting Jesus they forfeited their chosenness - and now, by virtue of a New Covenant (or "testament"), Christians have replaced the Jews as God's chosen people, the Church having become the "People of God."
5. The Jewish Bible ("Old" Testament) repeatedly portrays the opaqueness and stubbornness of the Jewish people and their disloyalty to God.
6. The Jewish Bible contains many predictions of the coming of Jesus as the Messiah (or "Christ"), yet the Jews are blind to the meaning of their own Bible.
7. By the time of Jesus' ministry, Judaism had ceased to be a living faith.
8. Judaism's essence is a restrictive and burdensome legalism.
9. Christianity emphasizes love, while Judaism stands for justice and a God of wrath.
10. Judaism's oppressiveness reflects the disposition of Jesus' opponents called "Pharisees" (predecessors of the "rabbis"), who in their teachings and behavior were hypocrites (see Woes of the Pharisees).

The irony that Jesus is portrayed as guilty of antisemitism when Jesus and his followers were all Jews is amazing! The only Bible Jesus and his followers quoted from was the Hebrew Bible (usually the Greek Septuagint (LXX) version).

But, yes, Jesus did expose the hypocrisy of most Jewish religious leaders of his day - noting they were money lovers (Luke 16:14) among other things.

The fact that most religious leaders (clergy) in Christendom accept a salary for their preaching when Jesus did not accept a salary for his preaching should also be noted.