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The same ways that people die of emphysema, but magically they died from covid-19 complications in which enhanced their speedy deaths. Is anyone dying anymore without Covid being attached to their death certificates ????How can unconfirmed cases be estimated? Without testing there is no way of knowing it's covid?
Of course it is. Why do you think Trump wants to cut back on testing when he knows it's been the most valuable tool in finding cases to quarantine which prevents the spread of the virus. The more testing, the more cases will be found increasing the seriousness of the disease in the minds of the public which could hurt Trump's chance of reelection. A good president would be doing everything he could to increase the number of tests because it is in best interest of the nation to do so regardless of the election. However, that takes real courage, something Donald Trump would never be accused of.I do believe that politics are heavily involved in all of this. Can't hardly trust anything or anyone anymore.
The only way is random blood test for the antibodies. Some places tested as high as 9%, others more like 3%. Let’s just say if it was 5% of the population, that would be only 16 million people that have had it and now immune.How can unconfirmed cases be estimated? Without testing there is no way of knowing it's covid?
No president has had to deal with a Democrat corrupted party like this before, so get ready to be amazed many more times.Of course it is. Why do you think Trump wants to cut back on testing when he knows it's been the most valuable tool in finding cases to quarantine which prevents the spread of the virus. The more testing, the more cases will be found increasing the seriousness of the disease in the minds of the public which could hurt Trump's chance of reelection. A good president would be doing everything he could to increase the number of tests because it is in best interest of the nation to do so regardless of the election. However, that takes real courage, something Donald Trump would never be accused of.
You are right about one thing. It makes their death speedy but so would a bullet in the head.The same ways that people die of emphysema, but magically they died from covid-19 complications in which enhanced their speedy deaths. Is anyone dying anymore without Covid being attached to their death certificates ????
www.livescience.com
Its from the Centers For Disease Control. If you want to pretend that its fake, do so at your own risk.
Seeing people at younger ages have worse reactions to virus's is not uncommon. The 1918 pandemic had the worst impact on people in their 20s and 30s.
1. The state with the most testing is New York, and the number of new cases there is WAY down. Just because you test more does not mean cases go up. New Zealand and Taiwan are testing more than they ever have, and they are lucky if they find one confirmed infection in a week.
2. There is no proof that getting infected actually makes you immune at this time.
3. Spread is the chief threat and makes the population that is at risk of death or serious illness more in danger. We want to be like New Zealand with ZERO ACTIVE CASES, then you can return to normal. Right now the United States, thanks to Trump, has the 10th highest number infections in the world on a per capita basis.
4. There is no such thing as a "safe" age. Even people who survive infection may have their lungs scarred which could lead to a deadly condition a few years later.
I would imagine that it is a pretty tough decision for many governors to have to make. Keep the economy lock down and businesses will fail, families will face financial disasters, and some will not survive it. On the hand, opening up the economy will mean addition people will die. No matter what decision you make, the people that voted for you and trust you will suffer.If you lock down until you have rid the population of the virus there will be no economy left to save, U2Edge! We've lost thousands of businesses just during the three months that things were locked down...locking them down for months more would be utterly catastrophic.If you're someone that wants to see the economy stay in the tank then the message you're pushing is that cases are increasing in some places. If you're someone that wants to see the economy rebound then your message is that treatment of the virus has gotten much better and the number of people dying from Covid 19 is way down!
Just because a person does not die immediately from Covid-19 does not mean their out of the woods. If their lungs are scarred from the infection, they could potentially die from a lung condition a few years from now.
If you want to SAVE THE ECONOMY, you lock down until you have rid the population of the virus. That is what Taiwan and New Zealand did. The economy will NEVER return to normal as long as you allow the infection to spread.
People are going to die anyway.
What's the sense of living if all you get to see are the four walls of your condo.
120,000 Americans are dead from covid-19.
In contrast only 7 people are dead in Taiwan from Covid-19.
The United States had a chance at being like Taiwan and having maybe as few as only 100 deaths from Covid-19, but it required Trump to shut the countries borders on January 21, 2020, just as Taiwan had done the day before. If the United States had followed Taiwan's lead on this, 119,000 Americans would still be alive, the economy would be in better shape, and we'd be helping the rest of the world combat this pandemic, instead of having receive aid from other parts of the world because the spread is so massive that we don't have the supplies to deal with it.
Everyday, Taiwan shows you the scale of Trump's failure.
I would imagine that it is a pretty tough decision for many governors to have to make. Keep the economy lock down and businesses will fail, families will face financial disasters, and some will not survive it. On the hand, opening up the economy will mean addition people will die. No matter what decision you make, the people that voted for you and trust you will suffer.If you lock down until you have rid the population of the virus there will be no economy left to save, U2Edge! We've lost thousands of businesses just during the three months that things were locked down...locking them down for months more would be utterly catastrophic.If you're someone that wants to see the economy stay in the tank then the message you're pushing is that cases are increasing in some places. If you're someone that wants to see the economy rebound then your message is that treatment of the virus has gotten much better and the number of people dying from Covid 19 is way down!
Just because a person does not die immediately from Covid-19 does not mean their out of the woods. If their lungs are scarred from the infection, they could potentially die from a lung condition a few years from now.
If you want to SAVE THE ECONOMY, you lock down until you have rid the population of the virus. That is what Taiwan and New Zealand did. The economy will NEVER return to normal as long as you allow the infection to spread.
The so called opening up will not "save" the economy. Consumers will determine whether the economy is open for certain types of business or not, and as long as consumers stay home with their money, it won't matter how many business's you let open up that are closed.
The only way to protect the health of people and the health of the economy, is to defeat the virus as soon as possible. Taiwan and New Zealand have shown how that is done. A Vaccine would be a great help, but under the best case situation that, won't be available until next summer at the earliest.
The economy will not be able to recover fully until the virus is defeated. The sooner you defeat the virus, the sooner you rebuild the economy.
Also, the lockdowns are not nearly as destructive to the economy as all the bombings and use of nuclear weapons that Japan suffered in 1945, yet by, 1958, even Hiroshima had fully recovered and was larger and economically stronger than it had been in 1945 just before it was nuked.
The United States is learning that hard way, that its failure to restrict early and stay in lockdown, is simply prolonging the pain and suffering for individuals health and the economy in general. There are no half measures in successfully fighting a pandemic.
Of course it is. Why do you think Trump wants to cut back on testing when he knows it's been the most valuable tool in finding cases to quarantine which prevents the spread of the virus. The more testing, the more cases will be found increasing the seriousness of the disease in the minds of the public which could hurt Trump's chance of reelection. A good president would be doing everything he could to increase the number of tests because it is in best interest of the nation to do so regardless of the election. However, that takes real courage, something Donald Trump would never be accused of.I do believe that politics are heavily involved in all of this. Can't hardly trust anything or anyone anymore.
I suggest you take a look at real presidential courage that has been documented in many books. Real presidential courage is not just doing what is needed to be elected, or what your party wants, or what supporters want but what is best for the country even if it cost you the presidency. Trump has never shown that kind courage.No president has had to deal with a Democrat corrupted party like this before, so get ready to be amazed many more times.
No president in the past had the courage Trump exhibits, and that's why Trump is catching hell. They expected him to just give in like all the rest of those weakling's. They got fooled.
The purpose of testing is finding positive cases so they can be quarantined to slow the spread of the virus. Whether they show symptoms are not is irrelevant because if they test positive, they can spread it. Patient Number 31 in South Korea Infected thousands with Coronavirus and had almost no symptoms. There are a number of cases of asymptomatic patients that are super spreaders. In fact the less symptoms a person has the more likely they are to transmit the virus to others because they don't feel sick.Of course it is. Why do you think Trump wants to cut back on testing when he knows it's been the most valuable tool in finding cases to quarantine which prevents the spread of the virus. The more testing, the more cases will be found increasing the seriousness of the disease in the minds of the public which could hurt Trump's chance of reelection. A good president would be doing everything he could to increase the number of tests because it is in best interest of the nation to do so regardless of the election. However, that takes real courage, something Donald Trump would never be accused of.I do believe that politics are heavily involved in all of this. Can't hardly trust anything or anyone anymore.
We are testing people who have no symptoms of the virus, locking them away for two weeks, and finding out they never got sick! That skews your stats so badly they are useless.
I think the President's "aim" is to get our economy back on track before the shutdowns do so much damage that it's not recoverable. This whole thing was never handled well because we allowed ourselves to listen to so called "experts" whose predictions were off by so much that it borders on malfeasance! We never should have had healthy people self quarantine. We never should have closed down businesses. We should have had elderly people and those with health issue quarantine themselves. We should have taken precautions to limit the spread by employing good hygiene and social distancing but healthy people should have been allowed to continue to work.The purpose of testing is finding positive cases so they can be quarantined to slow the spread of the virus. Whether they show symptoms are not is irrelevant because if they test positive, they can spread it. Patient Number 31 in South Korea Infected thousands with Coronavirus and had almost no symptoms. There are a number of cases of asymptomatic patients that are super spreaders. In fact the less symptoms a person has the more likely they are to transmit the virus to others because they don't feel sick.Of course it is. Why do you think Trump wants to cut back on testing when he knows it's been the most valuable tool in finding cases to quarantine which prevents the spread of the virus. The more testing, the more cases will be found increasing the seriousness of the disease in the minds of the public which could hurt Trump's chance of reelection. A good president would be doing everything he could to increase the number of tests because it is in best interest of the nation to do so regardless of the election. However, that takes real courage, something Donald Trump would never be accused of.I do believe that politics are heavily involved in all of this. Can't hardly trust anything or anyone anymore.
We are testing people who have no symptoms of the virus, locking them away for two weeks, and finding out they never got sick! That skews your stats so badly they are useless.
Unfortunately, our president only aim is to stopping the increase in the number of reported cases and the surest way to do that is reduce testing, ignoring the fact that finding positive cases and quarantining them is one of the most power tools in stopping the virus.
Why compare it to the number that died?How can unconfirmed cases be estimated? Without testing there is no way of knowing it's covid?
Test a statistical sample of residents to get a percentage of the population that have antibodies. Compare it to the number who died.
If you mean we should not have quarantined people that tested positive and did not report symptoms, I disagree because they could spread the virus just as well as people showing symptoms and very likely would because of not feeling sick.I think the President's "aim" is to get our economy back on track before the shutdowns do so much damage that it's not recoverable. This whole thing was never handled well because we allowed ourselves to listen to so called "experts" whose predictions were off by so much that it borders on malfeasance! We never should have had healthy people self quarantine. We never should have closed down businesses. We should have had elderly people and those with health issue quarantine themselves. We should have taken precautions to limit the spread by employing good hygiene and social distancing but healthy people should have been allowed to continue to work.The purpose of testing is finding positive cases so they can be quarantined to slow the spread of the virus. Whether they show symptoms are not is irrelevant because if they test positive, they can spread it. Patient Number 31 in South Korea Infected thousands with Coronavirus and had almost no symptoms. There are a number of cases of asymptomatic patients that are super spreaders. In fact the less symptoms a person has the more likely they are to transmit the virus to others because they don't feel sick.Of course it is. Why do you think Trump wants to cut back on testing when he knows it's been the most valuable tool in finding cases to quarantine which prevents the spread of the virus. The more testing, the more cases will be found increasing the seriousness of the disease in the minds of the public which could hurt Trump's chance of reelection. A good president would be doing everything he could to increase the number of tests because it is in best interest of the nation to do so regardless of the election. However, that takes real courage, something Donald Trump would never be accused of.I do believe that politics are heavily involved in all of this. Can't hardly trust anything or anyone anymore.
We are testing people who have no symptoms of the virus, locking them away for two weeks, and finding out they never got sick! That skews your stats so badly they are useless.
Unfortunately, our president only aim is to stopping the increase in the number of reported cases and the surest way to do that is reduce testing, ignoring the fact that finding positive cases and quarantining them is one of the most power tools in stopping the virus.
If we HAD done those things...we'd be a lot further ahead in our recovery than we are now.
I would say that's a lot closer. Keep in mind having antibodies doesn't tell you much about immunity. It just tells us that a person has been exposed to the extent that they have developed antibodies. We don't know what concentration of the antibodies is sufficient to provide immunity nor how long that immunity will last. It could be just months or a lifetime.The only way is random blood test for the antibodies. Some places tested as high as 9%, others more like 3%. Let’s just say if it was 5% of the population, that would be only 16 million people that have had it and now immune.How can unconfirmed cases be estimated? Without testing there is no way of knowing it's covid?
I don’t see how anyone can come up with 50 - 100 people per confirmed case. Best guess is 8 per 1 confirmed case.
Of course it is. Why do you think Trump wants to cut back on testing when he knows it's been the most valuable tool in finding cases to quarantine which prevents the spread of the virus. The more testing, the more cases will be found increasing the seriousness of the disease in the minds of the public which could hurt Trump's chance of reelection. A good president would be doing everything he could to increase the number of tests because it is in best interest of the nation to do so regardless of the election. However, that takes real courage, something Donald Trump would never be accused of.I do believe that politics are heavily involved in all of this. Can't hardly trust anything or anyone anymore.
What I take issue with is your view that healthy people being exposed to the virus would have been a negative in the long run, Flopper! The way that we've always gotten through flu epidemics in the past is exposure leading to immunity. We've never had healthy people self quarantine before and quite frankly I think we erred when we did so this time. One of the reasons you're seeing a spike in Covid cases now (besides testing revealing it) is that healthy people are out of self isolation and are being exposed...which means that the elderly and the unhealthy STILL have to remain in lockdown because it's dangerous for them to be exposed. I'm not ignoring medical science when I state that...I'm simply using common sense. The only reason I can see for lockdowns at all is if the hospitals were being overwhelmed and I don't see that happening as long as those that SHOULD have been isolated were! (That's taking for granted that something as stupid as Cuomo putting sick patients back into nursing homes didn't take place!)If you mean we should not have quarantined people that tested positive and did not report symptoms, I disagree because they could spread the virus just as well as people showing symptoms and very likely would because of not feeling sick.I think the President's "aim" is to get our economy back on track before the shutdowns do so much damage that it's not recoverable. This whole thing was never handled well because we allowed ourselves to listen to so called "experts" whose predictions were off by so much that it borders on malfeasance! We never should have had healthy people self quarantine. We never should have closed down businesses. We should have had elderly people and those with health issue quarantine themselves. We should have taken precautions to limit the spread by employing good hygiene and social distancing but healthy people should have been allowed to continue to work.The purpose of testing is finding positive cases so they can be quarantined to slow the spread of the virus. Whether they show symptoms are not is irrelevant because if they test positive, they can spread it. Patient Number 31 in South Korea Infected thousands with Coronavirus and had almost no symptoms. There are a number of cases of asymptomatic patients that are super spreaders. In fact the less symptoms a person has the more likely they are to transmit the virus to others because they don't feel sick.Of course it is. Why do you think Trump wants to cut back on testing when he knows it's been the most valuable tool in finding cases to quarantine which prevents the spread of the virus. The more testing, the more cases will be found increasing the seriousness of the disease in the minds of the public which could hurt Trump's chance of reelection. A good president would be doing everything he could to increase the number of tests because it is in best interest of the nation to do so regardless of the election. However, that takes real courage, something Donald Trump would never be accused of.I do believe that politics are heavily involved in all of this. Can't hardly trust anything or anyone anymore.
We are testing people who have no symptoms of the virus, locking them away for two weeks, and finding out they never got sick! That skews your stats so badly they are useless.
Unfortunately, our president only aim is to stopping the increase in the number of reported cases and the surest way to do that is reduce testing, ignoring the fact that finding positive cases and quarantining them is one of the most power tools in stopping the virus.
If we HAD done those things...we'd be a lot further ahead in our recovery than we are now.
Most of the predictions that we believe today are high were made based on the number of deaths and number of cases we were seeing at the time. No one had any idea of how effective things like social distancing, masks, and quarantining would be. The number deaths per day were running 1500 to 2500 a day. Project those number out to the end the year and you have 400,000 to 700,000 deaths using the March deaths/day. Today, due to social distancing, masks, and testing & quarantining they are running 300 to 800 a day. As we all know those numbers are likely to rise as we open up the country more plus scientist still believe the virus will prove to be seasonal which means we are in the low season. On the plus side, we're getting better treatments which are saving more lives and we doing a lot more testing and quarantining which reduces transmission. However, it's impossible to factor all this to get any accurate projection.
IMHO, we have basically made the right decision with the information we had in shutting down the country and slowly opening it up. Employment has increased to 13.3% and Goldman Saks is projecting 10% by end of the year and if we have a vaccine next year and we continue to get better treatments, the economy should be well on track and growing again by next year this time. To have ignored medical science and continued business as usually would have meant more deaths and considering our lack of knowledge of the virus we would have been risking the worst public health disaster in our history and an economy that might not recovery for many years.
If you mean we should not have quarantined people that tested positive and did not report symptoms, I disagree because they could spread the virus just as well as people showing symptoms and very likely would because of not feeling sick.I think the President's "aim" is to get our economy back on track before the shutdowns do so much damage that it's not recoverable. This whole thing was never handled well because we allowed ourselves to listen to so called "experts" whose predictions were off by so much that it borders on malfeasance! We never should have had healthy people self quarantine. We never should have closed down businesses. We should have had elderly people and those with health issue quarantine themselves. We should have taken precautions to limit the spread by employing good hygiene and social distancing but healthy people should have been allowed to continue to work.The purpose of testing is finding positive cases so they can be quarantined to slow the spread of the virus. Whether they show symptoms are not is irrelevant because if they test positive, they can spread it. Patient Number 31 in South Korea Infected thousands with Coronavirus and had almost no symptoms. There are a number of cases of asymptomatic patients that are super spreaders. In fact the less symptoms a person has the more likely they are to transmit the virus to others because they don't feel sick.Of course it is. Why do you think Trump wants to cut back on testing when he knows it's been the most valuable tool in finding cases to quarantine which prevents the spread of the virus. The more testing, the more cases will be found increasing the seriousness of the disease in the minds of the public which could hurt Trump's chance of reelection. A good president would be doing everything he could to increase the number of tests because it is in best interest of the nation to do so regardless of the election. However, that takes real courage, something Donald Trump would never be accused of.I do believe that politics are heavily involved in all of this. Can't hardly trust anything or anyone anymore.
We are testing people who have no symptoms of the virus, locking them away for two weeks, and finding out they never got sick! That skews your stats so badly they are useless.
Unfortunately, our president only aim is to stopping the increase in the number of reported cases and the surest way to do that is reduce testing, ignoring the fact that finding positive cases and quarantining them is one of the most power tools in stopping the virus.
If we HAD done those things...we'd be a lot further ahead in our recovery than we are now.
Most of the predictions that we believe today are high were made based on the number of deaths and number of cases we were seeing at the time. No one had any idea of how effective things like social distancing, masks, and quarantining would be. The number deaths per day were running 1500 to 2500 a day. Project those number out to the end the year and you have 400,000 to 700,000 deaths using the March deaths/day. Today, due to social distancing, masks, and testing & quarantining they are running 300 to 800 a day. As we all know those numbers are likely to rise as we open up the country more plus scientist still believe the virus will prove to be seasonal which means we are in the low season. On the plus side, we're getting better treatments which are saving more lives and we doing a lot more testing and quarantining which reduces transmission. However, it's impossible to factor all this to get any accurate projection.
IMHO, we have basically made the right decision with the information we had in shutting down the country and slowly opening it up. Employment has increased to 13.3% and Goldman Saks is projecting 10% by end of the year and if we have a vaccine next year and we continue to get better treatments, the economy should be well on track and growing again by next year this time. To have ignored medical science and continued business as usually would have meant more deaths and considering our lack of knowledge of the virus we would have been risking the worst public health disaster in our history and an economy that might not recovery for many years.
We are testing people who are not sick, test positive, and never get sick.The purpose of testing is finding positive cases so they can be quarantined to slow the spread of the virus. Whether they show symptoms are not is irrelevant because if they test positive, they can spread it. Patient Number 31 in South Korea Infected thousands with Coronavirus and had almost no symptoms. There are a number of cases of asymptomatic patients that are super spreaders. In fact the less symptoms a person has the more likely they are to transmit the virus to others because they don't feel sick.Of course it is. Why do you think Trump wants to cut back on testing when he knows it's been the most valuable tool in finding cases to quarantine which prevents the spread of the virus. The more testing, the more cases will be found increasing the seriousness of the disease in the minds of the public which could hurt Trump's chance of reelection. A good president would be doing everything he could to increase the number of tests because it is in best interest of the nation to do so regardless of the election. However, that takes real courage, something Donald Trump would never be accused of.I do believe that politics are heavily involved in all of this. Can't hardly trust anything or anyone anymore.
We are testing people who have no symptoms of the virus, locking them away for two weeks, and finding out they never got sick! That skews your stats so badly they are useless.
Unfortunately, our president only aim is to stopping the increase in the number of reported cases and the surest way to do that is reduce testing, ignoring the fact that finding positive cases and quarantining them is one of the most power tools in stopping the virus.
You'll notice that the narrative is not about the number of Covid deaths taking place now but the number of new "cases"! The reason for that is that the number of deaths from Covid is WAY down now so it's not scary enough! So the main stream media switches over to the number of new cases in an attempt to keep the economy shut down for just a bit longer!We are testing people who are not sick, test positive, and never get sick.The purpose of testing is finding positive cases so they can be quarantined to slow the spread of the virus. Whether they show symptoms are not is irrelevant because if they test positive, they can spread it. Patient Number 31 in South Korea Infected thousands with Coronavirus and had almost no symptoms. There are a number of cases of asymptomatic patients that are super spreaders. In fact the less symptoms a person has the more likely they are to transmit the virus to others because they don't feel sick.Of course it is. Why do you think Trump wants to cut back on testing when he knows it's been the most valuable tool in finding cases to quarantine which prevents the spread of the virus. The more testing, the more cases will be found increasing the seriousness of the disease in the minds of the public which could hurt Trump's chance of reelection. A good president would be doing everything he could to increase the number of tests because it is in best interest of the nation to do so regardless of the election. However, that takes real courage, something Donald Trump would never be accused of.I do believe that politics are heavily involved in all of this. Can't hardly trust anything or anyone anymore.
We are testing people who have no symptoms of the virus, locking them away for two weeks, and finding out they never got sick! That skews your stats so badly they are useless.
Unfortunately, our president only aim is to stopping the increase in the number of reported cases and the surest way to do that is reduce testing, ignoring the fact that finding positive cases and quarantining them is one of the most power tools in stopping the virus.
My state has no COVID-19 deaths yesterday.
