Catholics who think abortion should be legal are relying too much on God's mercy...

[Slade3200]

It is a medical privacy issue. No one has a right to know of interfere in a woman's medical treatment or choices about her body.
She cannot be forced to to carry a fetus till the last trimester but if there are medical reason the pregnancy can be terminated when her health make the pregnancy a problem for her care and needs.

If it is a moral issue for you, don't' get an abortion. For those of other faiths and situations, they have a legal option to choose what is best for them.

Rowe/wade is based on medical privacy and that will not change. Medical records, visits with doctor and treatment are not subject to public knowledge.

None of anyone's business except the woman.

If you don't have a right to know, you don't have a right to judge.

If you disapprove, that is your choice for yourself alone.

Many religions permit or have no opinion on abortion. in this country we have a separation between church and state. Religion is a personal choice, it does not set our laws. Even in catholic Italy abortion have been legal for 40 yrs, except in vatican city. Legal in most of the world except south american and a couple of other countries.

These are all the usual bullshit arguments for legalized abortion but please explain why you need to chop up and kill 3000 unborn babies a day, and sell their body parts to science. Every time you get on this forum and spread this nonsense you put the moral burden of all those murders on your soul, since those who advocate for a murder are just as guilty as those who commit the murder, or procure it. Your soul is in a state of mortal sin, and if you die without repenting your sin, you will certainly go to hell for all eternity. You need to repent, and then your penance will be to spend the rest of your life telling people why abortion is morally wrong and should not be legal. The sooner you get on this, the better for you. Your debt is enormous, in the Charles Dicken's story A Christmas Carol, you have built a chain miles long and you add more links every day.

Man, you gotta stop drinking the coolaid if you want people to take you seriously. You can make a much better argument than the "your going to hell" talk. It means nothing to people who do not believe in the teachings of the Bible

In case you didn't notice, this thread is directed at Catholics, not "people who do not believe in the teachings of the Bible."

People who do not believe in the teachings of the Bible cannot be saved, no matter what I say or do. I'm not even trying to save you. And that's because your sins will not be forgiven.

So shove off and find your own thread to act all bitchy in.

You are correct, sorry to butt in... I'm out.

 

[aris2chat]

It is a medical privacy issue. No one has a right to know of interfere in a woman's medical treatment or choices about her body.
She cannot be forced to to carry a fetus till the last trimester but if there are medical reason the pregnancy can be terminated when her health make the pregnancy a problem for her care and needs.

If it is a moral issue for you, don't' get an abortion. For those of other faiths and situations, they have a legal option to choose what is best for them.

Rowe/wade is based on medical privacy and that will not change. Medical records, visits with doctor and treatment are not subject to public knowledge.

None of anyone's business except the woman.

If you don't have a right to know, you don't have a right to judge.

If you disapprove, that is your choice for yourself alone.

Many religions permit or have no opinion on abortion. in this country we have a separation between church and state. Religion is a personal choice, it does not set our laws. Even in catholic Italy abortion have been legal for 40 yrs, except in vatican city. Legal in most of the world except south american and a couple of other countries.

These are all the usual bullshit arguments for legalized abortion but please explain why you need to chop up and kill 3000 unborn babies a day, and sell their body parts to science. Every time you get on this forum and spread this nonsense you put the moral burden of all those murders on your soul, since those who advocate for a murder are just as guilty as those who commit the murder, or procure it. Your soul is in a state of mortal sin, and if you die without repenting your sin, you will certainly go to hell for all eternity. You need to repent, and then your penance will be to spend the rest of your life telling people why abortion is morally wrong and should not be legal. The sooner you get on this, the better for you. Your debt is enormous, in the Charles Dicken's story A Christmas Carol, you have built a chain miles long and you add more links every day.

Beside rape, including date rape, I believe there is a lack of education and proper use of birth control, not understanding the use of "day after" pills up to 10 weeks or home abortions as a first option, including natural and herbal options.

For medical needed abortions, clinic/surgical is the most efficient and effective option. Woman's health always comes first. If certain treatments and medication is give the death will be slow and will become toxic to the woman further endangering her life and ability in the future to have children. For some women birth control fails for many reason and she might have been told she should never attempt to carry a child.

There are cases where the child is so deformed or genetically at risk that it would suffer and die in a short time if carried to term. Now we have the threat of things like zika where the child will never have normal bran function and very few live beyond a year or two. Those that do have ha moderate condition and to go through dangerous brain surgery every few months and still have limited capacity fr as long as they live.

Mother or parents have to make the hard choices for the woman and the child. No child should be born just to suffer such pain for so short a time. We woudn't put our pets through such abuse, why would you do that to a child?

Unless it is your life and you consider all the facts and potential circumstances, you ave no right to judge others.

You want child, go adopt some of the millions that need good homes and parents.

 

[Blackrook]

It is a medical privacy issue. No one has a right to know of interfere in a woman's medical treatment or choices about her body.
She cannot be forced to to carry a fetus till the last trimester but if there are medical reason the pregnancy can be terminated when her health make the pregnancy a problem for her care and needs.

If it is a moral issue for you, don't' get an abortion. For those of other faiths and situations, they have a legal option to choose what is best for them.

Rowe/wade is based on medical privacy and that will not change. Medical records, visits with doctor and treatment are not subject to public knowledge.

None of anyone's business except the woman.

If you don't have a right to know, you don't have a right to judge.

If you disapprove, that is your choice for yourself alone.

Many religions permit or have no opinion on abortion. in this country we have a separation between church and state. Religion is a personal choice, it does not set our laws. Even in catholic Italy abortion have been legal for 40 yrs, except in vatican city. Legal in most of the world except south american and a couple of other countries.

These are all the usual bullshit arguments for legalized abortion but please explain why you need to chop up and kill 3000 unborn babies a day, and sell their body parts to science. Every time you get on this forum and spread this nonsense you put the moral burden of all those murders on your soul, since those who advocate for a murder are just as guilty as those who commit the murder, or procure it. Your soul is in a state of mortal sin, and if you die without repenting your sin, you will certainly go to hell for all eternity. You need to repent, and then your penance will be to spend the rest of your life telling people why abortion is morally wrong and should not be legal. The sooner you get on this, the better for you. Your debt is enormous, in the Charles Dicken's story A Christmas Carol, you have built a chain miles long and you add more links every day.

Beside rape, including date rape, I believe there is a lack of education and proper use of birth control, not understanding the use of "day after" pills up to 10 weeks or home abortions as a first option, including natural and herbal options.

For medical needed abortions, clinic/surgical is the most efficient and effective option. Woman's health always comes first. If certain treatments and medication is give the death will be slow and will become toxic to the woman further endangering her life and ability in the future to have children. For some women birth control fails for many reason and she might have been told she should never attempt to carry a child.

There are cases where the child is so deformed or genetically at risk that it would suffer and die in a short time if carried to term. Now we have the threat of things like zika where the child will never have normal bran function and very few live beyond a year or two. Those that do have ha moderate condition and to go through dangerous brain surgery every few months and still have limited capacity fr as long as they live.

Mother or parents have to make the hard choices for the woman and the child. No child should be born just to suffer such pain for so short a time. We woudn't put our pets through such abuse, why would you do that to a child?

Unless it is your life and you consider all the facts and potential circumstances, you ave no right to judge others.

You want child, go adopt some of the millions that need good homes and parents.

I tell you that you're regurgitating bullshit, so then you respond by regurgitating more bullshit.

You can't just kill people, it is NOT ALLOWED.

 

[aris2chat]

It is a medical privacy issue. No one has a right to know of interfere in a woman's medical treatment or choices about her body.
She cannot be forced to to carry a fetus till the last trimester but if there are medical reason the pregnancy can be terminated when her health make the pregnancy a problem for her care and needs.

If it is a moral issue for you, don't' get an abortion. For those of other faiths and situations, they have a legal option to choose what is best for them.

Rowe/wade is based on medical privacy and that will not change. Medical records, visits with doctor and treatment are not subject to public knowledge.

None of anyone's business except the woman.

If you don't have a right to know, you don't have a right to judge.

If you disapprove, that is your choice for yourself alone.

Many religions permit or have no opinion on abortion. in this country we have a separation between church and state. Religion is a personal choice, it does not set our laws. Even in catholic Italy abortion have been legal for 40 yrs, except in vatican city. Legal in most of the world except south american and a couple of other countries.

These are all the usual bullshit arguments for legalized abortion but please explain why you need to chop up and kill 3000 unborn babies a day, and sell their body parts to science. Every time you get on this forum and spread this nonsense you put the moral burden of all those murders on your soul, since those who advocate for a murder are just as guilty as those who commit the murder, or procure it. Your soul is in a state of mortal sin, and if you die without repenting your sin, you will certainly go to hell for all eternity. You need to repent, and then your penance will be to spend the rest of your life telling people why abortion is morally wrong and should not be legal. The sooner you get on this, the better for you. Your debt is enormous, in the Charles Dicken's story A Christmas Carol, you have built a chain miles long and you add more links every day.

Man, you gotta stop drinking the coolaid if you want people to take you seriously. You can make a much better argument than the "your going to hell" talk. It means nothing to people who do not believe in the teachings of the Bible

In case you didn't notice, this thread is directed at Catholics, not "people who do not believe in the teachings of the Bible."

People who do not believe in the teachings of the Bible cannot be saved, no matter what I say or do. I'm not even trying to save you. And that's because your sins will not be forgiven.

So shove off and find your own thread to act all bitchy in.

"good catholics" elsewhere in the world get abortions if that is the right choice for them. Most places the have the legal right to make that choice.

Judgement or being sent to hell is not your determination. If there is a god, that is it's decision based on a whole life.

Even the bible permits abortions and does not give a value to a child if killed in the first month after birth. Abortions was no prohibited by the church till 1400's and even a pope wrote a how to on birth control and abortion.

You are not god and have no right to judge, especially if you don't actually know the bible or history of the church's opinions on the subject.

Keep your "morality" for yourself and your actions. Other people have to make their own informed choices.

Pope: All priests can forgive those who've had abortions - CNN.com
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Sep 21, 2015 - As for other sins, so for abortion, the forgiveness of sins has always ... the Church teaches in the Catechism of the Catholic Church: “There is no ...

 

[Blackrook]

aris2chat, it is murder to kill human beings.

There are exceptions: war, capital punishment, self defense, defense of others.

Abortion is NOT an exception that is allowed.

It is a mortal sin to murder an unborn child and the Catholic Church automatically ex-communicates everyone who is a necessary participant in any abortion.

aris2chat, you are right that it is not up to me. I never said that it was.

But you ignore my warnings at your own peril, because we all face Jesus Christ when he sits on the Seat of Judgment, and we must account for everything we did, everything we failed to do, and even our thoughts.

You are not God aris2chat, you can't just make up your own rules and get away with it.

 

[aris2chat]

It is a medical privacy issue. No one has a right to know of interfere in a woman's medical treatment or choices about her body.
She cannot be forced to to carry a fetus till the last trimester but if there are medical reason the pregnancy can be terminated when her health make the pregnancy a problem for her care and needs.

If it is a moral issue for you, don't' get an abortion. For those of other faiths and situations, they have a legal option to choose what is best for them.

Rowe/wade is based on medical privacy and that will not change. Medical records, visits with doctor and treatment are not subject to public knowledge.

None of anyone's business except the woman.

If you don't have a right to know, you don't have a right to judge.

If you disapprove, that is your choice for yourself alone.

Many religions permit or have no opinion on abortion. in this country we have a separation between church and state. Religion is a personal choice, it does not set our laws. Even in catholic Italy abortion have been legal for 40 yrs, except in vatican city. Legal in most of the world except south american and a couple of other countries.

These are all the usual bullshit arguments for legalized abortion but please explain why you need to chop up and kill 3000 unborn babies a day, and sell their body parts to science. Every time you get on this forum and spread this nonsense you put the moral burden of all those murders on your soul, since those who advocate for a murder are just as guilty as those who commit the murder, or procure it. Your soul is in a state of mortal sin, and if you die without repenting your sin, you will certainly go to hell for all eternity. You need to repent, and then your penance will be to spend the rest of your life telling people why abortion is morally wrong and should not be legal. The sooner you get on this, the better for you. Your debt is enormous, in the Charles Dicken's story A Christmas Carol, you have built a chain miles long and you add more links every day.

Man, you gotta stop drinking the coolaid if you want people to take you seriously. You can make a much better argument than the "your going to hell" talk. It means nothing to people who do not believe in the teachings of the Bible

In case you didn't notice, this thread is directed at Catholics, not "people who do not believe in the teachings of the Bible."

People who do not believe in the teachings of the Bible cannot be saved, no matter what I say or do. I'm not even trying to save you. And that's because your sins will not be forgiven.

So shove off and find your own thread to act all bitchy in.

But you don't seem to actually know the bible or the Catholic faith.

 

[Meriweather]

I don't mince words, and the Catholic Church used to not mince words either. Catholicism was a fighting religion, but Vatican II knocked the fight out if. Now, every Sunday we hear the same boring sermon that God wants us to be "nice" to people, as if somehow that's good enough. The Catholic Church needs to go back to kicking ass and taking names, and what that means is calling a spade a spade. Have an abortion, go to hell. Support legal abortion, go to hell. The Church should back it up with ex-communications. Enough of this bullshit, souls are being lost to the devil and nothing is being done to stop it.

First, my stand on abortion. No government should ever announce any type of killing or ending life as "legal." That is a stamp of approval from "higher up." If the government no longer wanted to prosecute those involved in abortions it should have been clear that the government was NOT advocating ending life, that the government values life and is pro-life. However, just as God granted humans free will, and since the unborn are not yet legally citizens, the government cannot prosecute. However, the government would not fund abortions or allow abortions to be covered under insurance as this would be a conflict of interest. (Advocating abortion could mean less welfare expense and less insurance expense than a full-term pregnancy.) If a woman wants an abortion, she is on her own, as are those who wish to offer that service. Government and Insurance view should have been, "Abortion is wrong, we won't help, but we won't prosecute."

This way, there is no conflict between Church and State. The Church (if it so chooses) can teach why life is preferable to death.

Where government and Catholic politicians who advocate pro-choice are wrong is in teaching or giving the impression that ending a life may be good or preferable. Scripture tells us that those who teach others to do wrong will be least in the kingdom of heaven. It also notes that those who cause children to sin, it would be better for that person to have a millstone tied around their necks and be cast into the depths of the sea.

I agree that any Catholic who teaches it is okay to have an abortion has excommunicated themselves, because the Church teaches that life is one of God's greatest gifts--and therefore we as individuals cannot contradict God/Church.

 

[aris2chat]

aris2chat, it is murder to kill human beings.

There are exceptions: war, capital punishment, self defense, defense of others.

Abortion is NOT an exception that is allowed.

It is a mortal sin to murder an unborn child and the Catholic Church automatically ex-communicates everyone who is a necessary participant in any abortion.

aris2chat, you are right that it is not up to me. I never said that it was.

But you ignore my warnings at your own peril, because we all face Jesus Christ when he sits on the Seat of Judgment, and we must account for everything we did, everything we failed to do, and even our thoughts.

You are not God aris2chat, you can't just make up your own rules and get away with it.

Your warnings? You are not judge or god, nor are you knowledgeable of the facts.

It is a medical privacy issue. No one has a right to know of interfere in a woman's medical treatment or choices about her body.
She cannot be forced to to carry a fetus till the last trimester but if there are medical reason the pregnancy can be terminated when her health make the pregnancy a problem for her care and needs.

If it is a moral issue for you, don't' get an abortion. For those of other faiths and situations, they have a legal option to choose what is best for them.

Rowe/wade is based on medical privacy and that will not change. Medical records, visits with doctor and treatment are not subject to public knowledge.

None of anyone's business except the woman.

If you don't have a right to know, you don't have a right to judge.

If you disapprove, that is your choice for yourself alone.

Many religions permit or have no opinion on abortion. in this country we have a separation between church and state. Religion is a personal choice, it does not set our laws. Even in catholic Italy abortion have been legal for 40 yrs, except in vatican city. Legal in most of the world except south american and a couple of other countries.

These are all the usual bullshit arguments for legalized abortion but please explain why you need to chop up and kill 3000 unborn babies a day, and sell their body parts to science. Every time you get on this forum and spread this nonsense you put the moral burden of all those murders on your soul, since those who advocate for a murder are just as guilty as those who commit the murder, or procure it. Your soul is in a state of mortal sin, and if you die without repenting your sin, you will certainly go to hell for all eternity. You need to repent, and then your penance will be to spend the rest of your life telling people why abortion is morally wrong and should not be legal. The sooner you get on this, the better for you. Your debt is enormous, in the Charles Dicken's story A Christmas Carol, you have built a chain miles long and you add more links every day.

Beside rape, including date rape, I believe there is a lack of education and proper use of birth control, not understanding the use of "day after" pills up to 10 weeks or home abortions as a first option, including natural and herbal options.

For medical needed abortions, clinic/surgical is the most efficient and effective option. Woman's health always comes first. If certain treatments and medication is give the death will be slow and will become toxic to the woman further endangering her life and ability in the future to have children. For some women birth control fails for many reason and she might have been told she should never attempt to carry a child.

There are cases where the child is so deformed or genetically at risk that it would suffer and die in a short time if carried to term. Now we have the threat of things like zika where the child will never have normal bran function and very few live beyond a year or two. Those that do have ha moderate condition and to go through dangerous brain surgery every few months and still have limited capacity fr as long as they live.

Mother or parents have to make the hard choices for the woman and the child. No child should be born just to suffer such pain for so short a time. We woudn't put our pets through such abuse, why would you do that to a child?

Unless it is your life and you consider all the facts and potential circumstances, you ave no right to judge others.

You want child, go adopt some of the millions that need good homes and parents.

I tell you that you're regurgitating bullshit, so then you respond by regurgitating more bullshit.

You can't just kill people, it is NOT ALLOWED.

Not allowed?? God had no problem with humans killing others be war, religious or state laws. God even had his "son" killed and frequently wiped out innocent humans of all faiths. Even Jesus stepped up against god's laws to save lives or raise the dead, including pagans.

Did you study the bible at all? Do you know anything about history or law either?

You don't even seem to know or care the abortion is now forgivable by any priest.

Do you even attend church or just internet anti-abortion and disinformation sites?

You are not pope or god, nor seemingly gotten a formal religious education, yet you preach to other on a forum then tell them to shove off because you are ignorant and don't like that they disagree with "your holiness" nonsense? Do you know anything about being a christian or what Jesus taught?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

They won't get it.

Catholics who correctly respect and defend a woman’s right to privacy can do so consistent with their faith, and have nothing for fear from their ‘god.’

 

[Meriweather]

Catholics who correctly respect and defend a woman’s right to privacy can do so consistent with their faith, and have nothing for fear from their ‘god.’

Call it what it is. Those who who defend women killing the unborn probably have reason to tremble when coming face-to-face with God. Calling "killing the unborn" a "right to privacy" is disingenuous, not to mention deceptive.

 

[hobelim]

You are not God aris2chat, you can't just make up your own rules and get away with it.

says the guy who defies the divine commands and worships another human being as if he was a god which is against Gods rules and then you teach others to do the same which amounts to murder since the penalty for disobedience to Gods rule is death.

do you really think that you are in a position to judge anyone for anything?

Murderer.

 

[yiostheoy]

Wow !!

What a running rant.

And what blistering ad homs everywhere.

 

[yiostheoy]

In accordance with British Empirical Philosophy, here is what I believe:

1 - it is wrong to take away someone else's freedom because thereby you are making them your slave.

2 - We must treat each other equally under concepts of Immanuel Kant and not attempt to bully each other like Machiavellians or Nietzsche's.

3 - Everyone has complete right of control over their own bodies.

4 - It is wrong to kill anyone or anything except for food as needed.

5 - It is justified to defend yourself and in the process kill an assailant.

6 - In the case of any kind of rape a free abortion should administered to the victim immediately.

7 - Church doctrines and dogma's are voluntarily assumed by their parishioners.

8 - Scientific theories and hypotheses are merely conventions and have no value of truth other than practical understanding of how observed data may correlate with each other.

9 - The Bible is completely silent about abortion.

10 - Science is completely ignorant of the soul.

11 - Catholic legislators should abstain from voting on abortion issues.

12 - Catholic judges should recuse themselves from abortion trials.

 

[alang1216]

They won't get it.

Just out of curiosity, what is the scriptural basis for this statement? (Honest question, not an argument.)

 

[hobelim]

10 - Science is completely ignorant of the soul.

Not really. The soul is just what the ancients called what we think of as the conscious mind in the same way the ancients believed that the heart was the seat of consciousness, when we know know that the seat of consciousness is in the brain..

Every time in scripture when they are speaking about what goes on in the heart or soul they really are talking about what goes on in the brain. Science knows a thing or two about the subject.

Knowing this clears up much confusion and many mysteries.

 

[yiostheoy]

... Those who who defend women killing the unborn probably have reason to tremble when coming face-to-face with God. Calling "killing the unborn" a "right to privacy" is disingenuous, not to mention deceptive.

We don't know that, neither religiously, nor philosophically, nor scientifically.

If you can speak for God, since the Bible is completely silent about abortion, then you are going to need to claim to be a face to face prophet with God like Moses, Elijah, Samuel, Jesus (the Son Of God), Peter, James, John, Mathew, Jude, and St. Paul were and also tell us where did you see the light and hear the voice of Jesus like Paul did?

 

[yiostheoy]

10 - Science is completely ignorant of the soul.

Not really. The soul is just what the ancients called what we think of as the conscious mind in the same way the ancients believed that the heart was the seat of consciousness, when we know know that the seat of consciousness is in the brain..

Every time in scripture when they are speaking about what goes on in the heart or soul they really are talking about what goes on in the brain. Science knows a thing or two about the subject.

Knowing this clears up much confusion and many mysteries.

The ancient concept of the soul, the mind, intelligence, etc. are all ancient philosophical issues.

They are not scientific issues.

 

[yiostheoy]

They won't get it.

Catholics who correctly respect and defend a woman’s right to privacy can do so consistent with their faith, and have nothing for fear from their ‘god.’

The Pope sure does not like it (abortion) though, and neither do the Cardinals.

They have told Catholics to steer clear of abortion in every way.

Don't vote for it.

Don't promote it.

Don't tolerate it.

However they cannot force anyone to vote against it or rule against it, hence my view that Catholics should recuse themselves from it on the basis of separation of Church (the Catholic Church) and State.

 

[hobelim]

10 - Science is completely ignorant of the soul.

Not really. The soul is just what the ancients called what we think of as the conscious mind in the same way the ancients believed that the heart was the seat of consciousness, when we know know that the seat of consciousness is in the brain..

Every time in scripture when they are speaking about what goes on in the heart or soul they really are talking about what goes on in the brain. Science knows a thing or two about the subject.

Knowing this clears up much confusion and many mysteries.

The ancient concept of the soul, the mind, intelligence, etc. are all ancient philosophical issues.

They are not scientific issues.

Yes, they are philosophical issues expressed in ancient terms according to ancient beliefs such as the organ of the heart is the seat of consciousness, the soul.

Knowing the modern equivalent of those ancient terms and corrected beliefs, like the brain is the seat of consciousness, shows that the subject of the soul, what we call consciousness, the mind, intelligence etc., all are areas of much scientific research and discovery.

We have laboratories, test tubes and wires, computers and measuring devices. They saw people who adopted irrational beliefs degenerate into irrational creatures, perversions of a human being, and concluded that some teaching defiles and contaminates the mind, the soul, even without a microscope.

It really doesn't take a scientific genius to notice what is right in front of your eyes.

 

[yiostheoy]

10 - Science is completely ignorant of the soul.

Not really. The soul is just what the ancients called what we think of as the conscious mind in the same way the ancients believed that the heart was the seat of consciousness, when we know know that the seat of consciousness is in the brain..

Every time in scripture when they are speaking about what goes on in the heart or soul they really are talking about what goes on in the brain. Science knows a thing or two about the subject.

Knowing this clears up much confusion and many mysteries.

The ancient concept of the soul, the mind, intelligence, etc. are all ancient philosophical issues.

They are not scientific issues.

Yes, they are philosophical issues expressed in ancient terms according to ancient beliefs such as the organ of the heart is the seat of consciousness, the soul.

Knowing the modern equivalent of those ancient terms and corrected beliefs, like the brain is the seat of consciousness, shows that the subject of the soul, what we call consciousness, the mind, intelligence etc., all are areas of much scientific research and discovery.

Science is free to study anything.

When science gets finished however few of it's inferences induced from its collection of data are written in stone ever. Theories are being revised or discarded all the time.

According to ancient philosophy, "intelligence" is like a commodity of "knowledge" which can be instilled into a mind.

A "mind" is that portion of a soul that thinks. The mind is immortal. It is hard to comprehend that the mind has always existed.

A "soul" is that living thing inside of a body which gives the body life. The ancients including Aristotle were unclear if the soul is immortal like the mind is or dies with the body and is thusly mortal as well. Don't know.