Catholic bombshell?

[Mudda]

So what my "logical fallacy"?

Your logical fallacy is that unless everything is perfect there can be no God.

No, I'm saying that according to religion, god created everything in the universe. So then the logical question is, why did god create deformed babies...?

You don't believe in God. Therefore, what I wrote is correct. You are making a logical fallacy argument that unless everything is perfect there can be no God.

Okay, more deflecting when the question gets too hard for you. You're not very good at this.

No. I am excellent at this. You are trying to make a logical fallacy argument that unless everything is perfect God cannot exist. Please show me where you got the basis for this belief from my faith?

I never said that, I said that your god created deformed babies who suffer a short painful death, and I ask, why?

 

[Mudda]

Of course the only type of marriage in the time of Joshua Ben Joseph was between a man and a woman. There was no need to comment on same sex marriage therefore. He was considering divorce in the text quoted in which there is no mention of same sex marriage since it did not exist.

Can you show us where Jesus advocated that people create same sex sexual unions?

Nature is full of same sex unions, all created by god. NEXT!

Now you are trying to make an argument of exception. That is what is called a fringe argument. Fringe arguments are arguments which try to define the rule by exception. Yes, homosexuality is part of nature. No, homosexuality is not the norm. Homosexuality is the exception.

Not my point, try responding to my actual point, which is that your god created homosexuality.

Yes, they are a part of nature. Even Jesus says that some, probably not you, were created naturally. So what?

So by criticizing homosexuality, you're criticizing one of god's creations. You must have an inflated sense of self-worth, lol.

 

[ding]

"In the very beginning, there was a void, a curious form of vacuum, a nothingness containing no space, no time, no matter, no light, no sound. Yet the laws of in and this curious vacuum held potential. A story logically begins at the beginning, but this story is about the universe and unfortunately there are no data for the very beginnings--none, zero. We don't know anything about the universe until it reaches the mature age of a billion of a trillionth of a second. That is, some very short time after creation in the big bang. When you read or hear anything about the birth of the universe, someone is making it up--we are in the realm of philosophy. Only God knows what happened at the very beginning." Leon Lederman, American experimental physicist and Nobel Laureate

And since we live in a universe where the laws of nature are such that given enough time and the right conditions, beings that know and create were pre-ordained to exist the moment that space and time came into existence. Yes.

Good for you, admitting that we're likely not alone in the universe.
So, is god roasting them in hell as well?

Do you have any proof that we are not alone?

All major religions have creation and other stories that point to "gods" who were likely extra-terrestrials. That should be enough for you.

There is only one revealed religion, Mudda. No others make that claim. But putting that aside, you are making another logical fallacy argument.

Getting back on track, so if there are extra terrestrials, does god toss them in hell to burn as well? Do they have a bible?

You don't believe in hell, so this is a silly question for you to ask. It would be a waste of my time explaining to you what hell is again. I've already done that several times. You aren't interested in understanding. You are only interested in amusing yourself. You are a militant atheist who condemns respect for anyone who believes in God. Your religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Your doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. You practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. You can be identified by an external locus of control. You worship science but are the first to argue against it.

 

[ding]

Can you show us where Jesus advocated that people create same sex sexual unions?

Nature is full of same sex unions, all created by god. NEXT!

Now you are trying to make an argument of exception. That is what is called a fringe argument. Fringe arguments are arguments which try to define the rule by exception. Yes, homosexuality is part of nature. No, homosexuality is not the norm. Homosexuality is the exception.

Not my point, try responding to my actual point, which is that your god created homosexuality.

Yes, they are a part of nature. Even Jesus says that some, probably not you, were created naturally. So what?

So by criticizing homosexuality, you're criticizing one of god's creations. You must have an inflated sense of self-worth, lol.

I didn't criticize homosexuality. I stated that it is not the norm. I am sorry that you took this as a personal insult.

 

[Mudda]

Good for you, admitting that we're likely not alone in the universe.
So, is god roasting them in hell as well?

Do you have any proof that we are not alone?

All major religions have creation and other stories that point to "gods" who were likely extra-terrestrials. That should be enough for you.

There is only one revealed religion, Mudda. No others make that claim. But putting that aside, you are making another logical fallacy argument.

Getting back on track, so if there are extra terrestrials, does god toss them in hell to burn as well? Do they have a bible?

What extra terrestrials? Do you have some proof I am unaware of?

Since it's your claim that the universe was pre-ordained from the beginning to have intelligent beings in it, hen you have proof that the universe was pre-ordained to have only us as intelligent beings throughout the whole universe?

 

[ding]

Your logical fallacy is that unless everything is perfect there can be no God.

No, I'm saying that according to religion, god created everything in the universe. So then the logical question is, why did god create deformed babies...?

You don't believe in God. Therefore, what I wrote is correct. You are making a logical fallacy argument that unless everything is perfect there can be no God.

Okay, more deflecting when the question gets too hard for you. You're not very good at this.

No. I am excellent at this. You are trying to make a logical fallacy argument that unless everything is perfect God cannot exist. Please show me where you got the basis for this belief from my faith?

I never said that, I said that your god created deformed babies who suffer a short painful death, and I ask, why?

You don't care why. You aren't interested in understanding. You are only interested in amusing yourself. You are a militant atheist who condemns respect for anyone who believes in God. Your religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure.Your doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. You practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. You can be identified by an external locus of control. You worship science but are the first to argue against it.

 

[Mudda]

Good for you, admitting that we're likely not alone in the universe.
So, is god roasting them in hell as well?

Do you have any proof that we are not alone?

All major religions have creation and other stories that point to "gods" who were likely extra-terrestrials. That should be enough for you.

There is only one revealed religion, Mudda. No others make that claim. But putting that aside, you are making another logical fallacy argument.

Getting back on track, so if there are extra terrestrials, does god toss them in hell to burn as well? Do they have a bible?

You don't believe in hell, so this is a silly question for you to ask. It would be a waste of my time explaining to you what hell is again. I've already done that several times. You aren't interested in understanding. You are only interested in amusing yourself. You are a militant atheist who condemns respect for anyone who believes in God. Your religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Your doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. You practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. You can be identified by an external locus of control. You worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Ahhhh! More deflection.

 

[ding]

Do you have any proof that we are not alone?

All major religions have creation and other stories that point to "gods" who were likely extra-terrestrials. That should be enough for you.

There is only one revealed religion, Mudda. No others make that claim. But putting that aside, you are making another logical fallacy argument.

Getting back on track, so if there are extra terrestrials, does god toss them in hell to burn as well? Do they have a bible?

What extra terrestrials? Do you have some proof I am unaware of?

Since it's your claim that the universe was pre-ordained from the beginning to have intelligent beings in it, hen you have proof that the universe was pre-ordained to have only us as intelligent beings throughout the whole universe?

I didn't say that. I asked you if you have any proof of other intelligent beings in the universe.

 

[Mudda]

Nature is full of same sex unions, all created by god. NEXT!

Now you are trying to make an argument of exception. That is what is called a fringe argument. Fringe arguments are arguments which try to define the rule by exception. Yes, homosexuality is part of nature. No, homosexuality is not the norm. Homosexuality is the exception.

Not my point, try responding to my actual point, which is that your god created homosexuality.

Yes, they are a part of nature. Even Jesus says that some, probably not you, were created naturally. So what?

So by criticizing homosexuality, you're criticizing one of god's creations. You must have an inflated sense of self-worth, lol.

I didn't criticize homosexuality. I stated that it is not the norm. I am sorry that you took this as a personal insult.

Backtracking. Good for you.

 

[ding]

Do you have any proof that we are not alone?

All major religions have creation and other stories that point to "gods" who were likely extra-terrestrials. That should be enough for you.

There is only one revealed religion, Mudda. No others make that claim. But putting that aside, you are making another logical fallacy argument.

Getting back on track, so if there are extra terrestrials, does god toss them in hell to burn as well? Do they have a bible?

You don't believe in hell, so this is a silly question for you to ask. It would be a waste of my time explaining to you what hell is again. I've already done that several times. You aren't interested in understanding. You are only interested in amusing yourself. You are a militant atheist who condemns respect for anyone who believes in God. Your religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Your doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. You practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. You can be identified by an external locus of control. You worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Ahhhh! More deflection.

Not at all. It is the logical conclusion of a conversation with a person whose only intention is amusing himself. Be honest. Own it.

 

[Mudda]

All major religions have creation and other stories that point to "gods" who were likely extra-terrestrials. That should be enough for you.

There is only one revealed religion, Mudda. No others make that claim. But putting that aside, you are making another logical fallacy argument.

Getting back on track, so if there are extra terrestrials, does god toss them in hell to burn as well? Do they have a bible?

What extra terrestrials? Do you have some proof I am unaware of?

Since it's your claim that the universe was pre-ordained from the beginning to have intelligent beings in it, hen you have proof that the universe was pre-ordained to have only us as intelligent beings throughout the whole universe?

I didn't say that. I asked you if you have any proof of other intelligent beings in the universe.

At least you no longer claim something that you couldn't prove. You're welcome. Let's move on...

 

[Mudda]

All major religions have creation and other stories that point to "gods" who were likely extra-terrestrials. That should be enough for you.

There is only one revealed religion, Mudda. No others make that claim. But putting that aside, you are making another logical fallacy argument.

Getting back on track, so if there are extra terrestrials, does god toss them in hell to burn as well? Do they have a bible?

You don't believe in hell, so this is a silly question for you to ask. It would be a waste of my time explaining to you what hell is again. I've already done that several times. You aren't interested in understanding. You are only interested in amusing yourself. You are a militant atheist who condemns respect for anyone who believes in God. Your religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Your doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. You practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. You can be identified by an external locus of control. You worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Ahhhh! More deflection.

Not at all. It is the logical conclusion of a conversation with a person whose only intention is amusing himself. Be honest. Own it.

I'm just glad that you're no longer claiming some of the absurd things you were saying earlier. Look! Proof of evolution!

 

[ding]

There is only one revealed religion, Mudda. No others make that claim. But putting that aside, you are making another logical fallacy argument.

Getting back on track, so if there are extra terrestrials, does god toss them in hell to burn as well? Do they have a bible?

You don't believe in hell, so this is a silly question for you to ask. It would be a waste of my time explaining to you what hell is again. I've already done that several times. You aren't interested in understanding. You are only interested in amusing yourself. You are a militant atheist who condemns respect for anyone who believes in God. Your religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Your doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. You practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. You can be identified by an external locus of control. You worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Ahhhh! More deflection.

Not at all. It is the logical conclusion of a conversation with a person whose only intention is amusing himself. Be honest. Own it.

I'm just glad that you're no longer claiming some of the absurd things you were saying earlier. Look! Proof of evolution!

I have no idea what victory you think you have claimed. Clearly it is important to you that you have. I have not changed my belief on anything.

 

[Meriweather]

- Rode the woman's ride of ancient times, the donkey.

People were looking for Jesus to overthrow Rome, to serve as their political leader/king, and a leader of the necessary violent uprising. Jesus' response: When kings of the day were leading a war, they rode horses. A sign of a king's peaceful intention was to ride a donkey.

Remember, the view of the world is much larger than any one of us can see. Perhaps try getting out a bit more and into the many other perspectives that are on offer. The gay perspective is not the only perspective.

 

[Meriweather]

Since you didn't dispute anything else, then you must be in agreement that it's possible that Jesus was gay. Good for you.

Again, you post from a very narrow, very short-sighted perspective. I'd ask you to try again, but I understand that as humans we each have a very limited repertoire.

 

[Skull]

Looks like this site has zero (or very lazy) moderators. Far too much off topic posting.

To return to subject - there is genuine confusion in the ranks of lay & clerical Catholics over the Pope's recent paper. Here is Cardinal Burke:

Cardinal Burke on Amoris Laetitia Dubia: ‘Tremendous Division’ Warrants Action

More commentary:

On request for clarification of Amoris Laetitia, the Pope’s silence speaks volumes

 

[zaangalewa]

The Pope was asked to clarify some of his recent teachings, yet he refused. So some Cardinals published their formal request for all to see.

Pope Francis declines to answer four cardinals’ Amoris appeal – CatholicHerald.co.uk

My question to any wise Catholic is, can the ex-Pope Benedict respond and give his answers without being asked?

I don't know what a wise Catholic would suggest - I would suggest: Ask the Emeritus and if he gives you an answer then you will know more. Send just simple a letter to "Benedict XVI, Vatican, Rome, Italy".

 

[zaangalewa]

Looks like this site has zero (or very lazy) moderators. Far too much off topic posting.

To return to subject - there is genuine confusion in the ranks of lay & clerical Catholics over the Pope's recent paper. Here is Cardinal Burke:

Cardinal Burke on Amoris Laetitia Dubia: ‘Tremendous Division’ Warrants Action

More commentary:

On request for clarification of Amoris Laetitia, the Pope’s silence speaks volumes

The Pope looks like he's always drunk, he probably either forgot or blew it off for a drink.

By the way, Nazi: Did the Emeritus and the Pope give any Nazi ever any allowness to use our good old catholic latin letters? Why do you not use a morse code or something like this for your continuous stream of empty thoughts and hateful bullshit?

 

[zaangalewa]

[The Cardinals obviously stumped the Pope. His non-answer means he doesn't know and needs time to come up with something. And those Cardinals are toast. God is a vengeful sort.

There is nothing to "stump." The Church points to Christ's teaching on the matter: Whom God has joined together, let no one separate. God intended marriage to be between one man and a one woman. To divorce and remarry is to commit adultery.

Many don't take these words seriously. The Catholic Church does.

Joshua Ben Joseph was commenting on marriage as it was practiced among Jews in the first century CE. The point was that there should not be divorce but Jewish law allowed divorce. Joshua Ben Joseph is rejecting Jewish law regarding divorce. So, nowadays when same sex marriage is allowed His teaching on divorce being wrong although allowed in Jewish law, would still stand. There is no rejection of same sex marriage in this text but there is a rejection of divorce which Protestants allow today.

Who is Joshua Ben Joseph? Jesus? Why for heavens sake do you not use "Jesus" like everyone else? "Same sex marriage" has by the way absolutelly nothing to do with "marriage" in a jewish and/or christian way. The prototype for marriage is the creation of Adam and Eve. Both together are in their different sex a unity and able to create on their own new life.

 

[ding]

[The Cardinals obviously stumped the Pope. His non-answer means he doesn't know and needs time to come up with something. And those Cardinals are toast. God is a vengeful sort.

There is nothing to "stump." The Church points to Christ's teaching on the matter: Whom God has joined together, let no one separate. God intended marriage to be between one man and a one woman. To divorce and remarry is to commit adultery.

Many don't take these words seriously. The Catholic Church does.

Joshua Ben Joseph was commenting on marriage as it was practiced among Jews in the first century CE. The point was that there should not be divorce but Jewish law allowed divorce. Joshua Ben Joseph is rejecting Jewish law regarding divorce. So, nowadays when same sex marriage is allowed His teaching on divorce being wrong although allowed in Jewish law, would still stand. There is no rejection of same sex marriage in this text but there is a rejection of divorce which Protestants allow today.

You totally misunderstood what "Joshua Ben Joseph" was saying. He said people who prefer to have sex with the same sex should not marry.