Zone1 Catholic Answer to Eternal Life Without Baptism. Is it correct?

I'm not sure what 'living out my baptism' means. As I've said I am a Deist and do not identify with any particular religion.
While formal religious practices can be a blessing, I do not believe not having them disqualifies you. How do you live out your baptism? In Catholicism, it is a statement to eschew disobedience to God and embrace obedience.
It's clear in the Bible that Jesus said the only way to the highest degree in the Kingdom of God is through baptism by water and of the spirit (Holy Ghost confirmed by one with authority).
For the lower kingdoms of Heaven (1Corinthians chapter 15). For the highest (Celestial Glory Kingdom), you'll need to be baptized with proper priesthood authority by one with the authority in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Call your local missionaries of said Church and they will help you.
 
For the lower kingdoms of Heaven (1Corinthians chapter 15). For the highest (Celestial Glory Kingdom), you'll need to be baptized with proper priesthood authority by one with the authority in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Call your local missionaries of said Church and they will help you.
My Parents were Methodists and I am a non practicing Methodist so I don't think that an LDS baptism would fly, but thanks for the info.
 
My Parents were Methodists and I am a non practicing Methodist so I don't think that an LDS baptism would fly, but thanks for the info.
You were talking about your baptism. Your parents baptisms have nothing to do with your baptismal covenants. You are on your own. So, if you are baptized and confirmed a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, you would be taking on those covenants and by doing so have your opportunity to proceed to the covenant path to the highest degree of Heaven. Your parents have their own choice to make.
 
I found this on line from a Catholic using references from the Catholic Church:




My question is, Jesus said Eternal Life in the Kingdom of God can only be made through baptism by both WATER and THE SPIRIT. Peter said that the Spirits who needed preaching and teaching would receive it in 1Peter chapters 3 and 4. And, Paul said that because of this, the churches, specifically in Corinth, were baptizing for the dead. Paul did not condemn this practice. In fact, he answered the question about life, resurrection and Eternal Life in the Kingdom of God by baptizing for the dead. Thus, those who accepted the Gospel by those who were preached to in the Spirit World, would receive the vicarious baptisms. So, I have to reject the above explanation by the Catholic CCC.
I must admit that I do like the Latter day Saint custom of doing baptisms for the already deceased. I certainly do hope that your doctrine on this topic is correct.

but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.

Messiah Yeshua - Jesus had all judgement passed to Him so He certainly can take anybody into heaven that He chooses to take there. Former Atheist and near death experiencer argued with Jesus and suggested that He throw him back down into hell, but Jesus told Howard Storm that heaven was his home but sent him back on a mission to teach others about what he had been shown.


[Howard Storm]

3. A Rescue from Hell by Jesus Christ​

Now I didn’t know if I was even in the world. But I did know that I was here. I was real, all my senses worked too painfully well. I didn’t know how I had arrived here. There was no direction to follow even if I had been physically able to move. The agony that I had suffered during the day was nothing compared to what I was feeling now. I knew then that this was the absolute end of my existence, and it was more horrible than anything I could possibly have imagined.

....
We started going faster and faster, out of the darkness. Embraced by the light, feeling wonderful and crying, I saw off in the distance something that looked like the picture of a galaxy, except that it was larger and there were more stars than I had seen on Earth. There was a great center of brilliance. In the center there was an enormously bright concentration. Outside the center countless millions of spheres of light were flying about entering and leaving what was a great being-ness at the center. It was off in the distance. Then I … I didn’t say it, I thought it. I said, “Put me back.”

What I meant by telling the light to put me back, was to put me back into the pit. I was so ashamed of who I was, and what I had been all of my life, that all I wanted to do was hide in the darkness. I didn’t want to go toward the light anymore – I did; yet I didn’t. How many times in my life had I denied and scoffed at the reality before me, and how many thousands of times had I used it as a curse. What incredible intellectual arrogance to use the name as an insult. I was afraid to go closer. I was also aware that the incredible intensity of the emanations might disintegrate what I still experienced as my intact physical body. The being who was supporting me, my friend, was aware of my fear and reluctance and shame. For the first time he spoke to my mind in a male voice and told me that if I was uncomfortable we didn’t have to go closer. So we stopped where we were, still countless miles away from the Great being. For the first time, my friend, and I will refer to him in that context hereafter, said to me, “You belong here.”

(Note: Howard believes his friend was Jesus.)

Facing all the splendor made me acutely aware of my lowly condition. My response was: “No, you’ve made a mistake, put me back.” And he said, “We don’t make mistakes. You belong.”

[Howard Storm]

 
You were talking about your baptism. Your parents baptisms have nothing to do with your baptismal covenants. You are on your own. So, if you are baptized and confirmed a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, you would be taking on those covenants and by doing so have your opportunity to proceed to the covenant path to the highest degree of Heaven. Your parents have their own choice to make.
No offense but I have no interest in becoming a Mormon. And quite frankly of all of the Christian rituals, the baptism is IMO one of the strangest. My original question was basically "are all Christian baptisms the same?" and you answered that.
 
I must admit that I do like the Latter day Saint custom of doing baptisms for the already deceased. I certainly do hope that your doctrine on this topic is correct.



Messiah Yeshua - Jesus had all judgement passed to Him so He certainly can take anybody into heaven that He chooses to take there. Former Atheist and near death experiencer argued with Jesus and suggested that He throw him back down into hell, but Jesus told Howard Storm that heaven was his home but sent him back on a mission to teach others about what he had been shown.
Jesus has been clear who he will take to where he resides in heaven. Must have faith in Jesus to be eligible. Those who died without this opportunity will get a chance in the hereafter so that he can be judged as those are judged in the flesh. For those who were baptized with Jesus authority through faith, they have the opportunity to reside with the Father and Son in the highest realm of heaven, the Celestial Glory. To know this, you need to gain a testimony in the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ. That takes more than having dinner with the missionaries. That takes listening to their instructions to gain the testimony. That requires to throw away your double mind. I can't say it any more clear. Instead of waiting for the right time to interject your stories and people in connection with near death experiences (Your double mind), follow the prescribed method to find the testimony like I have of the restored Gospel.
 
No offense but I have no interest in becoming a Mormon. And quite frankly of all of the Christian rituals, the baptism is IMO one of the strangest. My original question was basically "are all Christian baptisms the same?" and you answered that.
I didn't say become a Mormon. I said become a Saint in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. You have double mindedness disease. I also did not answer your question. I questioned why you think you are tied to your parent's baptism and church affiliation. The fact is, all Christian baptisms are not the same. The same is with the Sacraments.
 
I didn't say become a Mormon. I said become a Saint in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. You have double mindedness disease. I also did not answer your question. I questioned why you think you are tied to your parent's baptism and church affiliation. The fact is, all Christian baptisms are not the same. The same is with the Sacraments.
I have no such disease and I certainly have no intention of becoming a "Saint in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." I'm just fine, your religion is fine no need to get testy.
 
I have no such disease and I certainly have no intention of becoming a "Saint in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." I'm just fine, your religion is fine no need to get testy.
Really? When you listen to our missionaries, are you trying to learn or are you waiting for something you already agree with? Being openminded is not being double minded. Listen, study about what you learned, meditate on it. prays to find out it is true and listen to the Holy Ghost. May take a few times to get it right. But, you will know if you are patient.
 
Really? When you listen to our missionaries, are you trying to learn or are you waiting for something you already agree with? Being openminded is not being double minded. Listen, study about what you learned, meditate on it. prays to find out it is true and listen to the Holy Ghost. May take a few times to get it right. But, you will know if you are patient.
I read all about the life of Joseph Smith and his experiences with the Angel Moroni, the Gold Plates and his 30 wives and why he was later imprisoned. Have you?
 
I read all about the life of Joseph Smith and his experiences with the Angel Moroni, the Gold Plates and his 30 wives and why he was later imprisoned. Have you?
I've been a member for 47 years and have heard all the lies about all of your kind of bigoted people. It was your bigoted people that murdered him. Also, you have not read "all" about any of these topics. You have only read one side's slanted views on the topics. The great thing about the internet today is that there are plenty of opportunities to hear both sides. Especially the victim's side, the LDS Saints side. We are the ones being attacked for our beliefs. There are lots of websites and Podcasts you can find. The Church has nothing they are hiding. You can find the Joseph Smith Papers on the LDS.org website as well. FairMormon.org, Jefflindsay.com, and many others. Nothing you can tell me that I don't already know and have an answer for. Do you understand the difference between earthly marriage and heavenly sealings? If not, give the 30 wives attack a rest until you do.
 
I've been a member for 47 years and have heard all the lies about all of your kind of bigoted people. It was your bigoted people that murdered him. Also, you have not read "all" about any of these topics. You have only read one side's slanted views on the topics. The great thing about the internet today is that there are plenty of opportunities to hear both sides. Especially the victim's side, the LDS Saints side. We are the ones being attacked for our beliefs. There are lots of websites and Podcasts you can find. The Church has nothing they are hiding. You can find the Joseph Smith Papers on the LDS.org website as well. FairMormon.org, Jefflindsay.com, and many others. Nothing you can tell me that I don't already know and have an answer for. Do you understand the difference between earthly marriage and heavenly sealings? If not, give the 30 wives attack a rest until you do.
You were the one that poked the bear with your snooty "double minded disease" comment and your holier than thou lecture. Everything I stated about Joseph Smith is documented fact. If those facts disturb you, that is your problem.
 
You were the one that poked the bear with your snooty "double minded disease" comment and your holier than thou lecture. Everything I stated about Joseph Smith is documented fact. If those facts disturb you, that is your problem.
You have no clue about what is documented fact. Pick one topic and let's do this. If you aren't willing, the shut up about it because your are a rumor monger and we know what the Bible says about that, don't we. Because you are a rumor monger, you are a double minded person. The shoe fits so wear it. Now come on. Prove something about Joseph Smith that you think is a negative.
 
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