Catching Up With R. Kelly

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For my pal, Mr. H- the bottom line: "Not Guilty" is not the same as "Innocent"




Somehow, there seems to be a secular rule that states that if an individual exhibits 'greatness' on an area, well.....then any abhorrent behavior must be overlooked, or forgiven.


So it has been with R.Kelly.....until now.





1. "Sometimes great art is made by despicable people. Does that matter? Should it?

2. .... why is he nowhere to be found in this year's Pazz & Jop [music critics] poll results?

Is this the year people stopped ignoring R. Kelly's many crimes? Why, after my 15 years of reporting on those many crimes, have people started to take notice?





3. During my tenure as pop music critic at the Chicago Sun-Times, I covered Kelly's ... to becoming one of the dominant voices in r&b, selling more than 54 million albums in a three-decade career... R. Kelly used his position of fame and influence as a pop superstar to meet girls as young as 15 and have sex with them, according to court records and interviews,"...

a. ... more stories followed, none more dramatic or troubling than the report published in February 2002 revealing the existence of a 26-minute, 39-second ... Shot in the basement "playroom" of a house that Kelly owned in Chicago's Lakeview neighborhood, the video depicts a man resembling Kelly and a girl the Sun-Times identified (but never named) as having been 14 or 15 at the time.

She is ordered to call the man "daddy"; she follows his directions to strike various poses and to open wide as he urinates in her mouth, and she's ordered to assume different positions as the two have sex. Four months later, the video resulted in the singer being indicted by the state of Illinois on 21 counts of making child pornography.... never was charged with statutory rape, despite dozens of civil lawsuits and out-of-court settlements with underage girls who claim they had sexual relationships with him that left them physically and emotionally damaged.

b. ... acquitted of those charges in June 2008, but as any criminal attorney will tell you, "not guilty" doesn't mean "innocent."

In recent weeks I've heard from many people who remain haunted by the verdict. "I devoted a lot of time to make sure this pedophile was convicted of this horrible crime," one investigator wrote. "Justice did not prevail."

4. Added a woman who worked at Kelly's label, Jive Records: 'At the time it seemed disgusting, but it was the music business, an industry built on the foundation of white male sexual fantasy, so a lot of bad behavior was not only condoned, but enabled and encouraged... Thus does rape culture proliferate.'





5. ... I've never expected other journalists and critics to feel as strongly about this story as I do. But neither did I expect the cultural amnesia that for years allowed many to ignore any reference to Kelly's crimes, despite the mountains of evidence in the public record, or to dismiss them with a fleeting nod to past "controversy" or "rumors."

6. .... a series for Chicago Public Radio that ran the week before Kelly's celebratory closing set at Pitchfork, and here's where the bigger, lingering questions arise for our clubby world of music criticism. The owners of Pitchfork, the website and the festival, cannot claim ignorance: Like many of Kelly's boosters in the music industry, they were well aware of his crimes. Yet they gave him the ultimate slot on a stage within walking distance of the homes of many of his victims, whom they, like other Kelly fans, never once considered.

7. .... Pitchfork isn't the first corporation in the entertainment business to abet such behavior. .... But few among us would accept that music is mere entertainment, that it doesn't mean anything in the "real world," and that our endorsements or condemnations are therefore meaningless as well.



8. Are we obliged to consider an artist's crimes while consuming his art?



9. .... Kelly is a singular case, because of the volumes of evidence I've seen, and because that cannot help but inform the way I hear what Jezebel infamously (sarcastically or not) called his "magnificent ode to p*ssy." But if he's forever talking about sex in his art, in addition to telling "haters" to shut up and asking his Heavenly Father to forgive his unnamed sins, I think that obliges us to talk about what we hear him saying,...

10. Why? Because art matters. Because criticism and context matter. Because crimes against women and children matter. And because the conversation matters. It's about time we had it."
Why Are People Finally Paying Attention to R. Kelly's Many Crimes?






Possibly, the evil, the depth of said behavior, is beginning to sink in.
But....why only in this case?

One cannot help but see the same conversation needs be had centering on how a rapist is the most popular elected Democrat in the nation.

The tale is a mirror image: the central speech at the Democrat Convention...."the ultimate slot on a stage"....


Is politics "mere entertainment, that it doesn't mean anything in the "real world,"....?



Perhaps it is time for the same conversation in other areas.
 
Are we objecting objectively, or only because what he did was illegal? If we went through the history books, popular reveried figures having sex with minors would come up quite a lot. In ancient times though this wasn't illegal or denounced like it is today. So when we condemn people doing it now are we doing so only because it's now illegal? If not shouldn't we remove all such historical worth for those in the past who did equal or worse things?
 
Are we objecting objectively, or only because what he did was illegal? If we went through the history books, popular reveried figures having sex with minors would come up quite a lot. In ancient times though this wasn't illegal or denounced like it is today. So when we condemn people doing it now are we doing so only because it's now illegal? If not shouldn't we remove all such historical worth for those in the past who did equal or worse things?

that still doesn't make what any of them did right
 
Right and wrong are defined by cultural norms. I think we in the computer affluent nations are suffering a kind of backlash over the availability of sexual information online. Prior to such things, we existed in a kind of innocent state only hearing about the variety and scope of human sexuality 3rd hand. We had some awareness of these kinds of things, but rarely any first-hand experience unless from personal experiences. But now, because of the internet we better appreciate the reality of sex and are still adjusting to it.

What may be normal in one culture, is still rebuffed and denounced by our own. Sex in the ancient world was enjoyed both by doing, and watching as the murals in Pompeii show. For them, sex in all its varieties was normal and natural and fine. As Christianity took off and spread, being a decidely anti-sex for fun faith, sex went underground. Fast foward to present day, the internet is unearthing the true nature of sex again and we're having difficulty readjusting to it because we're still under the yoke of Christian thought on the matter.
 
Are we objecting objectively, or only because what he did was illegal? If we went through the history books, popular reveried figures having sex with minors would come up quite a lot. In ancient times though this wasn't illegal or denounced like it is today. So when we condemn people doing it now are we doing so only because it's now illegal? If not shouldn't we remove all such historical worth for those in the past who did equal or worse things?



Well, then ....let's condone human sacrifice.
I can suggest some candidates.

But if you are copacetic with 'ancient times', there's a job opening in Tehran at the ‘Century Seven’ realtors.


Here's an idea: make judgments based on contemporary standards.
Neat?
 
Are we objecting objectively, or only because what he did was illegal? If we went through the history books, popular reveried figures having sex with minors would come up quite a lot. In ancient times though this wasn't illegal or denounced like it is today. So when we condemn people doing it now are we doing so only because it's now illegal? If not shouldn't we remove all such historical worth for those in the past who did equal or worse things?



Well, then ....let's condone human sacrifice.
I can suggest some candidates.

But if you are copacetic with 'ancient times', there's a job opening in Tehran at the ‘Century Seven’ realtors.


Here's an idea: make judgments based on contemporary standards.
Neat?

'Century Seven' realtors was really funny. :)

I actually avoid making judgements based solely on contemporary standards. If I did that I'd have no objections to genetic research, abortion, and a wealth of other topics. Without understanding how values change over time, and exist from culture to culture, how these things are thought about today is worthless.
 
Perhaps the explanation for the conundrum can be found in Hegel’s complaint about the flaw in “abstract thinking”: that it cannot conceive of a handsome murderer.



Listen to, look at, R. Kelly....and there is a degree of separation between this image, and that of a rapist of young girls.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj71KbE6ekg]R. Kelly - Step In The Name Of Love - YouTube[/ame]
 
For my pal, Mr. H- the bottom line: "Not Guilty" is not the same as "Innocent"




Somehow, there seems to be a secular rule that states that if an individual exhibits 'greatness' on an area, well.....then any abhorrent behavior must be overlooked, or forgiven.


So it has been with R.Kelly.....until now.





1. "Sometimes great art is made by despicable people. Does that matter? Should it?

2. .... why is he nowhere to be found in this year's Pazz & Jop [music critics] poll results?

Is this the year people stopped ignoring R. Kelly's many crimes? Why, after my 15 years of reporting on those many crimes, have people started to take notice?





3. During my tenure as pop music critic at the Chicago Sun-Times, I covered Kelly's ... to becoming one of the dominant voices in r&b, selling more than 54 million albums in a three-decade career... R. Kelly used his position of fame and influence as a pop superstar to meet girls as young as 15 and have sex with them, according to court records and interviews,"...

a. ... more stories followed, none more dramatic or troubling than the report published in February 2002 revealing the existence of a 26-minute, 39-second ... Shot in the basement "playroom" of a house that Kelly owned in Chicago's Lakeview neighborhood, the video depicts a man resembling Kelly and a girl the Sun-Times identified (but never named) as having been 14 or 15 at the time.

She is ordered to call the man "daddy"; she follows his directions to strike various poses and to open wide as he urinates in her mouth, and she's ordered to assume different positions as the two have sex. Four months later, the video resulted in the singer being indicted by the state of Illinois on 21 counts of making child pornography.... never was charged with statutory rape, despite dozens of civil lawsuits and out-of-court settlements with underage girls who claim they had sexual relationships with him that left them physically and emotionally damaged.

b. ... acquitted of those charges in June 2008, but as any criminal attorney will tell you, "not guilty" doesn't mean "innocent."

In recent weeks I've heard from many people who remain haunted by the verdict. "I devoted a lot of time to make sure this pedophile was convicted of this horrible crime," one investigator wrote. "Justice did not prevail."

4. Added a woman who worked at Kelly's label, Jive Records: 'At the time it seemed disgusting, but it was the music business, an industry built on the foundation of white male sexual fantasy, so a lot of bad behavior was not only condoned, but enabled and encouraged... Thus does rape culture proliferate.'





5. ... I've never expected other journalists and critics to feel as strongly about this story as I do. But neither did I expect the cultural amnesia that for years allowed many to ignore any reference to Kelly's crimes, despite the mountains of evidence in the public record, or to dismiss them with a fleeting nod to past "controversy" or "rumors."

6. .... a series for Chicago Public Radio that ran the week before Kelly's celebratory closing set at Pitchfork, and here's where the bigger, lingering questions arise for our clubby world of music criticism. The owners of Pitchfork, the website and the festival, cannot claim ignorance: Like many of Kelly's boosters in the music industry, they were well aware of his crimes. Yet they gave him the ultimate slot on a stage within walking distance of the homes of many of his victims, whom they, like other Kelly fans, never once considered.

7. .... Pitchfork isn't the first corporation in the entertainment business to abet such behavior. .... But few among us would accept that music is mere entertainment, that it doesn't mean anything in the "real world," and that our endorsements or condemnations are therefore meaningless as well.



8. Are we obliged to consider an artist's crimes while consuming his art?



9. .... Kelly is a singular case, because of the volumes of evidence I've seen, and because that cannot help but inform the way I hear what Jezebel infamously (sarcastically or not) called his "magnificent ode to p*ssy." But if he's forever talking about sex in his art, in addition to telling "haters" to shut up and asking his Heavenly Father to forgive his unnamed sins, I think that obliges us to talk about what we hear him saying,...

10. Why? Because art matters. Because criticism and context matter. Because crimes against women and children matter. And because the conversation matters. It's about time we had it."
Why Are People Finally Paying Attention to R. Kelly's Many Crimes?






Possibly, the evil, the depth of said behavior, is beginning to sink in.
But....why only in this case?

One cannot help but see the same conversation needs be had centering on how a rapist is the most popular elected Democrat in the nation.

The tale is a mirror image: the central speech at the Democrat Convention...."the ultimate slot on a stage"....


Is politics "mere entertainment, that it doesn't mean anything in the "real world,"....?



Perhaps it is time for the same conversation in other areas.

This guy has the life huh?

R. Kelly Allegedly Keeping Young Women In Sex 'Cult,' Parents Claim | HuffPost

R. Kelly is reportedly holding multiple women against their will in an abusive sex “cult,” according to a disturbing BuzzFeed News report.

Concerned parents who haven’t seen their daughters in more than a year, as well as former members of the “Trapped in the Closet” singer’s entourage, told BuzzFeed that Kelly keeps a group of young women at his homes in Atlanta and Chicago where he “controls every aspect of their lives”


The R&B legend reportedly invites women into his circle under the pretense of developing their music careers, but instead begins a sexual relationship that requires them to call him “daddy” and ask his permission to leave assigned rooms.

The 50-year-old allegedly films his sexual encounters with these women, all of whom are of legal consenting age in the report, which he shares with a group of friends.

“You have to ask for food. You have to ask to go use the bathroom,” the singer’s former personal assistant from 2013 to 2014, Cheryl Mack, said. ”[Kelly] is a master at mind control. ... He is a puppet master.”

Stupid women. LOL.
 
One of the women in question, a singer from Georgia, was contacted by the police at her parents request for a “well-being check.” She reportedly told the officers that she was “fine and did not want to be bothered.”

Case closed. Nunya business.
 
Kelly’s lawyer, Linda Mensch, defended the singer as “a great artist who ... takes care of all of the people in his life.”

“Like all of us,” she added, “Mr. Kelly deserves a personal life.”
 

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