Cargo Ship Carrying Lithium Batteries Burns Off Coast Off Alaska

[elektra]

Links for these two claims?

Lithium creates it's own oxygen through processes that produce gases. Everything needs oxygen to burn. The other user must be referring to external oxygen like the atmosphere.

https://publications.iafss.org/publications/fss/8/375/view/fss_8-375.pdf

Water, when interacting with the lithium produces gases, like hydrogen gas. Hydrogen is extremely explosive.

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[TroglocratsRdumb]

Links for these two claims?

Lithium battery cells can go into thermo-runaway and start melting which can cause a chain reaction.
Putting water on an EV fire doesn't actually smother the fire, it cools down the combustion.
The lithium salts are self-oxidizing which means they can keep reigniting.
When lithium reacts with water it produces hydrogen gas which burns.

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Water on Li-Ion battery fire: good idea, bad idea, or neutral?

I always thought (like this guy) that putting out a Li-Ion battery fire with water was a bad idea because of the reaction between water and lithium. But now I read from one source: Lithium-ion

electronics.stackexchange.com

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Lithium hydroxide
When lithium reacts with water, it produces lithium hydroxide and hydrogen gas1234. The reaction is highly exothermic, which means it releases a large amount of heat, and can cause the hydrogen gas produced to ignite, resulting in a spectacular explosion3. The reaction can be represented by the equation: 2Li (s) + 2H 2 O (l) → 2LiOH (aq) + H 2 (g)14.

 

[badger2]

Lithium battery cells can go into thermo-runaway and start melting which can cause a chain reaction.
Putting water on an EV fire doesn't actually smother the fire, it cools down the combustion.
The lithium salts are self-oxidizing which means they can keep reigniting.
When lithium reacts with water it produces hydrogen gas which burns.

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Electric vehicles don’t catch fire often, but when they do, things get spicy. How do these fires start? And why are they so hard to extinguish? There are scientists trying to answer these questions, but there are also scientists still trying to figure out what actually happens (chemically) when a li

scitechdaily.com

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Our first aid cabinet service, fire extinguisher inspections, defibrillator (AED) and eyewash services help you keep your employees safe.

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Water on Li-Ion battery fire: good idea, bad idea, or neutral?

I always thought (like this guy) that putting out a Li-Ion battery fire with water was a bad idea because of the reaction between water and lithium. But now I read from one source: Lithium-ion

electronics.stackexchange.com

Yes, though thermal runaway in the lithium cell is caused by dendrites that first (and instantly) produce a voltage drop that can be monitored. So thermal runaway is theoretically possible to control if sensors were installed to detect dendrite voltage drop. Future batteries can have these sensors for prevention.

 

[badger2]

Lithium hydroxide
When lithium reacts with water, it produces lithium hydroxide and hydrogen gas1234. The reaction is highly exothermic, which means it releases a large amount of heat, and can cause the hydrogen gas produced to ignite, resulting in a spectacular explosion3. The reaction can be represented by the equation: 2Li (s) + 2H 2 O (l) → 2LiOH (aq) + H 2 (g)14.

This is nasty.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Unlike the hundreds of millions of barrels of oil that have been spilled into the world's oceans.

Which unless in water too cold for it, or in amounts too great for it, degrades biologically over time.
How much crude oil seeps into the gulf of Mexico naturally a year? It's not a "zero" number, that's for sure.
Also, crude oil and refined oil product shipments are strongly regulated.

Are you actually suggesting that a hundred million barrels of spilled oil has done no damage? Are you suggesting that crude oil contains no toxins?

Oil has been seeping into the oceans for much longer than Mankind has had any use for it. If anything our use of it has reduced the amount of it left to seep into the ocean.

Not far from where I grew up in Santa Barbara, there's a place called Coal Oil Point, so called because some of the first European sailors to arrive in the general area, came to recognize this place, even at night, from the smell of the oil in the water. Santa Barbara beaches are known for yucky tar that gets all over people's feet and gets tracked everywhere. Some of the more ignorant inhabitants of the area blame the oil companies for the tar, but that's bullshit. Like the oil in the water, the tar has been there since long before anyone even thought of drilling for oil, and if anything, there is probably less of it, now, because we've removed so much of the oil. Long before Europeans arrived in the area, the Chumash were using that tar to seal up their boats.

 

[elektra]

Oil has been seeping into the oceans for much longer than Mankind has had any use for it. If anything our use of it has reduced the amount of it left to seep into the ocean.

Not far from where I grew up in Santa Barbara, there's a place called Coal Oil Point, so called because some of the first European sailors to arrive in the general area, came to recognize this place, even at night, from the smell of the oil in the water. Santa Barbara beaches are known for yucky tar that gets all over people's feet and gets tracked everywhere. Some of the more ignorant inhabitants of the area blame the oil companies for the tar, but that's bullshit. Like the oil in the water, the tar has been there since long before anyone even thought of drilling for oil, and if anything, there is probably less of it, now, because we've removed so much of the oil. Long before Europeans arrived in the area, the Chumash were using that tar to seal up their boats.

I would like to see people complaining about Oil, quit using it. Use nothing that is made from oil.

Santa Barbara, seems like there was a thread or comment that oil was seeping out of the ground on a golf course in santa barbara

 

[Crick]

I would like to see people complaining about Oil, quit using it. Use nothing that is made from oil.

Santa Barbara, seems like there was a thread or comment that oil was seeping out of the ground on a golf course in santa barbara

There's the La Brea tar pits.